After the first million console sony broke even on the cost of building new fabs with toshiba and their new factories. After that the console sales themselves has not been at a loss but rather at a slight profit.
No clue, but it's not like sony shouldered the full cost of the development of the cell processor either. The chip design was a ibm/sony thing and the manufacture is a sony/ibm/toshiba thing (surprisingly they were mentioned on the tech sharing and fabbing of the cell too--they are the ones that made the last ps2 processor).
It's true sony is taking a bigger risk wiht the ps3 then the ps2 (definately not the psone though--that was hella risky territory for sony with a lot of experimental variables).
Sony is a hardware and R&D company, very different from MS. Just like they did with teh ps2 and psx, sony will have spent several billion (not so much for the psx but definately for the ps2) to setup the chip foundries and other factories to gear up for mass manufacture. Sony's highest costs have always been at the startup of a new console. With teh ps2 they broke even with the one millionth or so console and profits were about $175 or so on teh consoles afterwords.
The only companies in history to have suffered massive losses from hardware costs are Sega and Microsoft. Both of these companies don't produce anywhere near as much of their consoles as sony does. They pay vendors for most of their equipment.
In sony's case there is very little that they aren't producing (like the nvidia graphics chip).
In this case the most costly components listed by ML in the article was the cell processor and the blu-ray drive. The cell processor cost in the article was $230 dollars. But the thing is sony isn'tgoing to pay a fixed cost on the thing, ML just came up with that number out of their asses.
Sony helped fund the cost of the fabs that will be used to produce these with IBM justlike they did with the emotion engine and toshiba. They will spend over a billion early on but after they've produced their 1-2 millionth console they've met the initial cost of setting up the fab which is by far the most expensive part in this.
The blu-ray cost is laugable in almost every way. You can buy full fledged dvd-players nowadays for only $30 dollars @ retail. Going through the supply chains all the way to the manufacturer it costs them what, $22 to produce the whole player unit? Out of that, the pure drive components are what $8-16 USD.
Comparing the cost of a blu-ray players/recorders to what will be inside the ps3 is ludicrous. Since blu-ray was developed by sony they won't be paying royalty's to anyone AND they'll produce the drives themselves. Sure it's going to be moret hen the cost of just using dvd-rom drives. But once again sony is the manufacturer and they'll make the facilities themselves to produce 1-2 million of these babies within the first 12 months (probably much more). $350 per unit is ridiculous price.
Yes, the costs for the cables/manuals/a port or two, a demo disk (mass produced disks cost less then pennies to physically produce and not much time/money needed to put a demo disk together to matter when your talking about 1 million+ ps3's in the first few months) == $100.
I'll bet the cost of all of those things together will be less then $25 bucks. Remember, while sony and other game manufacturers charge an arm and a leg for extra controllers/accessories, it's due to their giant margin on those products. They make a ton of profit so the cost of a controller @ retail is far lower then it costs to manufacture.
They should just take the god damn squaresoft name off and call themselves Enix. I long for the squaresoft of 1989-1998.
The guys who created gems like Xenogears, tactics, final fantasies 1-7. I just can't stand the art direction and character selection of new final fantasies. With the primary producer/director of the ff series gone, the xenogears/chrono trigger team gone, i dont' know wtf to look for.
Nobuo's awesome music scores are not enough to buy a new rpg.
The thing about sony's system's is that most components are either manufactured by sony or a joint venture with a sony partner. For example the last emotion engine and the current cell processor. They spent somewhere around 1 billion to work with toshiba on building the factory that would churn out the emotion engine. So initial costs were extremely high during START-UP.
Afterwards, sony can recoup costs over time and as they've done with the ps2 and psx. Once they have the infastructure and factory's and mass-produce the cell processors and blu-ray drives the costs of these units will seem far from huge.
With electronics you can't just say, oh this ps2 cost $400 to produce on release. Because the equations are far more complicated. Since the cost of running a factory is far less then it cost to create it usually.
I just researched into it with greater detail and it looks like he started with the very first final fantasy, not seven.
I knew i was forgetting something about him. I can't believe they lost THE man. God with the xenogears guys gone, hironobu sakaguchi (father of the final fantasy series) gone wtf does squenix have left?
Wasn't Hironbu Sakaguchi the guy who headed final fantasy 7 and was a big wig for numerous projects there? Was his decline that bad after the first failed movie that he had to get kicked or move to another company?
I'm barely able to make sense of what it is that you want to say. The safety measures are necessary in the holodeck to make sure that no one actually dies in the real world. Games don't need such safety measures because your real physical body isn't being harmed as it would in a holodeck without safety measures.
Working through existing wireless networks in real time for serious apps. It's one thing to move a little bit of data here and there but the entire application on the server. THeres so many problems with that.
Don't make me laugh now... the only company that would do something like that is Nintendo. The only thing they dominate is the handheld market and it's mostly because they've been the juggernaut there for twenty years or so and Sony has just entered teh market.
The ps2 was one of the cheapest consoles (err the last generation was) but even then it was $300. Most older consoles including the psone came near $400-$500.
This monster will be about the price of the higher end xbox and it will have more features. I never buy consoles @ launch but i'll be very damned happy to have a $200 dollar next gen console with a blu-ray hddvd player.
A most new immigrants are somewhat closed. I see my family as far less closed then numerous previous generations. My mother mostly associates with other people of similar ethnic background due to familiarity but she knows plenty of Americans and mingles with them.
Me and my sister have grown up here and we know far more Americans then non.
Most muslim's that do such things do it in a suicidal fashion, whether it's the 9/11 hijackers or a suicide bomber in Israel. I'm not sure how they'll be collecting the gold. The interpretations of the afterlife is far too great in length and scope to be in this thread so we'll skip that too.
Next, none of the attacks were done to reduce the number of infidels. Thats ridiculous logic even for the terrorists. Grats on you for believing it and the mods that modded you up. They all have political motives and something personal that drives them to the brink. The suicide bombers in Israel are typically kids who've lost family members from israeli aggression. It's a cycle of revenge for the people doing it and political for the people planning it.
Some Palestinian's openly admit they dont' do it for religious reasons and they themselves aren't very religous.
While Bin Laden may use the word Ji-had a lot it still doesn't take away from the meaning of the word that means struggle. This struggle can either be in a muslim's heart or in the open battle field. Either way the media uses the word incorrectly and so is the grand parent.
People wanting peace are the silent or at least not so militant majority. We don't get much press... We don't go into a town square and shoot our guns in the air nor do we make as much noise as a suicide bomber on an israeli street.
We will have huge congregations where the Imam will denounce terrorism but who the hell want's to cover that?
Hrm, i thought i understood the full situation but i decided to do a bit of research and learned i was wrong.
He was technically impeached but not convicted.
"Contrary to a popular public misconception, Clinton was successfully impeached (that is, the House did successfully send him to be tried by the Senate). He was not, however, successfully convicted of any of the charges (which is why he was not removed from office), nor was he given any penalty (beyond the censure of the House of Representatives)."
I'm pretty sure i was addressing the parent directly. The parent acknowledged and replied nicey. I'm not sure why your here to spew your nonsense.
In my post i addressed his case specifically, not yours. In your case you'd probably see a higher performance with a ti4600 on many games that are not dx9+. The geforce 5000 line was pretty horrible. It was the one time ati beat them hands down in all pricepoints for almost all games.
In your case, yes i'd buy a 6800 ultra as it would be a massive speedboost. I truly feel for you though, i'm sorry you had to deal with that graphics card when you had much better options availabel for your price point.
Totally incorrect comparison that illustrates a lack of understanding of real wow rules. Gays are not banned from forming a guild for themselves. They just cannot openly advertise in the general channel annoying everyone. They can advertise on the online guild recruitment board.
A more accurate comparison to the diner example would be. You have a table with 3 gay peoples. They decide to stand up on their chair and SCREAM so that everyone in the vicinity can hear them to join their table of gay people. Most guild recruiters don't advertise once on the general channels in the game. As it'd be lost pretty fast. The gays in your diner would be annoying your other patrons once every minute.
This is probably one of the most hypocritical (to the point of laughter) thing congress has been saying for a long time. If you truly don't agree with the conditions in china you shouldn't have opened trade with them.
It's not like american and chinese manufacturers treat workers of sweatshops that well. Google's actions do zero harm to the chinese people. The government will only allow a censored google through the "great firewall." It's much better for the people to have a powerful search engine and index for most of the items they search for then nothing at all.
Comparing Bin Laden and al quaeda with Hitler and germany is simply ludicrous. IT would only be appropriate if Hitler was a militant who never had control of Germany.
We appeased and allowed hitler and germany to take over countries militarily and officially. Bin Laden has no such power, al quaeda is not a nation.
While he is not a common criminal he's also not a leader of any country. Treating the al quaeda situation as a real war will get us no where. We can't conquer a mindset with bombs. Killing all the top members of Al Quaeda including Bin laden will not extinguish the problem.
A similar thing can be said of Iran. Iran has yet to call for or conquer it's neighboring countries like Germany did. We appeased germany by allowing them to conquer foreign nations. Trying to stop a countries inevitable technological advancement is equally ludicrous. A nuclear bomb is almost ancient tech by modern standards. It's hella powerful but it's far from new technology. Long range delivery systems and the sophisticaion of the nukes themselves is a different case.
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After the first million console sony broke even on the cost of building new fabs with toshiba and their new factories. After that the console sales themselves has not been at a loss but rather at a slight profit.
No clue, but it's not like sony shouldered the full cost of the development of the cell processor either. The chip design was a ibm/sony thing and the manufacture is a sony/ibm/toshiba thing (surprisingly they were mentioned on the tech sharing and fabbing of the cell too--they are the ones that made the last ps2 processor).
It's true sony is taking a bigger risk wiht the ps3 then the ps2 (definately not the psone though--that was hella risky territory for sony with a lot of experimental variables).
Sony is a hardware and R&D company, very different from MS. Just like they did with teh ps2 and psx, sony will have spent several billion (not so much for the psx but definately for the ps2) to setup the chip foundries and other factories to gear up for mass manufacture. Sony's highest costs have always been at the startup of a new console. With teh ps2 they broke even with the one millionth or so console and profits were about $175 or so on teh consoles afterwords.
The only companies in history to have suffered massive losses from hardware costs are Sega and Microsoft. Both of these companies don't produce anywhere near as much of their consoles as sony does. They pay vendors for most of their equipment.
In sony's case there is very little that they aren't producing (like the nvidia graphics chip).
In this case the most costly components listed by ML in the article was the cell processor and the blu-ray drive. The cell processor cost in the article was $230 dollars. But the thing is sony isn'tgoing to pay a fixed cost on the thing, ML just came up with that number out of their asses.
Sony helped fund the cost of the fabs that will be used to produce these with IBM justlike they did with the emotion engine and toshiba. They will spend over a billion early on but after they've produced their 1-2 millionth console they've met the initial cost of setting up the fab which is by far the most expensive part in this.
The blu-ray cost is laugable in almost every way. You can buy full fledged dvd-players nowadays for only $30 dollars @ retail. Going through the supply chains all the way to the manufacturer it costs them what, $22 to produce the whole player unit? Out of that, the pure drive components are what $8-16 USD.
Comparing the cost of a blu-ray players/recorders to what will be inside the ps3 is ludicrous. Since blu-ray was developed by sony they won't be paying royalty's to anyone AND they'll produce the drives themselves. Sure it's going to be moret hen the cost of just using dvd-rom drives. But once again sony is the manufacturer and they'll make the facilities themselves to produce 1-2 million of these babies within the first 12 months (probably much more). $350 per unit is ridiculous price.
I just read what i wrote... i need to be more awake so my posts actually make sense. Reverse the manufacture costs with retail costs!
Yes, the costs for the cables/manuals/a port or two, a demo disk (mass produced disks cost less then pennies to physically produce and not much time/money needed to put a demo disk together to matter when your talking about 1 million+ ps3's in the first few months) == $100.
I'll bet the cost of all of those things together will be less then $25 bucks. Remember, while sony and other game manufacturers charge an arm and a leg for extra controllers/accessories, it's due to their giant margin on those products. They make a ton of profit so the cost of a controller @ retail is far lower then it costs to manufacture.
They should just take the god damn squaresoft name off and call themselves Enix. I long for the squaresoft of 1989-1998. The guys who created gems like Xenogears, tactics, final fantasies 1-7. I just can't stand the art direction and character selection of new final fantasies. With the primary producer/director of the ff series gone, the xenogears/chrono trigger team gone, i dont' know wtf to look for. Nobuo's awesome music scores are not enough to buy a new rpg.
The thing about sony's system's is that most components are either manufactured by sony or a joint venture with a sony partner. For example the last emotion engine and the current cell processor. They spent somewhere around 1 billion to work with toshiba on building the factory that would churn out the emotion engine. So initial costs were extremely high during START-UP.
Afterwards, sony can recoup costs over time and as they've done with the ps2 and psx. Once they have the infastructure and factory's and mass-produce the cell processors and blu-ray drives the costs of these units will seem far from huge.
With electronics you can't just say, oh this ps2 cost $400 to produce on release. Because the equations are far more complicated. Since the cost of running a factory is far less then it cost to create it usually.
I just researched into it with greater detail and it looks like he started with the very first final fantasy, not seven.
I knew i was forgetting something about him. I can't believe they lost THE man. God with the xenogears guys gone, hironobu sakaguchi (father of the final fantasy series) gone wtf does squenix have left?
Final fantasy 9 remake?!!??!
Wasn't Hironbu Sakaguchi the guy who headed final fantasy 7 and was a big wig for numerous projects there? Was his decline that bad after the first failed movie that he had to get kicked or move to another company?
I'm barely able to make sense of what it is that you want to say. The safety measures are necessary in the holodeck to make sure that no one actually dies in the real world. Games don't need such safety measures because your real physical body isn't being harmed as it would in a holodeck without safety measures.
It'd be so awesome, like playing counterstrike all over again but with lower tv resolution.
Working through existing wireless networks in real time for serious apps. It's one thing to move a little bit of data here and there but the entire application on the server. THeres so many problems with that.
Don't make me laugh now... the only company that would do something like that is Nintendo. The only thing they dominate is the handheld market and it's mostly because they've been the juggernaut there for twenty years or so and Sony has just entered teh market.
The ps2 was one of the cheapest consoles (err the last generation was) but even then it was $300. Most older consoles including the psone came near $400-$500.
This monster will be about the price of the higher end xbox and it will have more features. I never buy consoles @ launch but i'll be very damned happy to have a $200 dollar next gen console with a blu-ray hddvd player.
To the AC's...
A most new immigrants are somewhat closed. I see my family as far less closed then numerous previous generations. My mother mostly associates with other people of similar ethnic background due to familiarity but she knows plenty of Americans and mingles with them.
Me and my sister have grown up here and we know far more Americans then non.
Most muslim's that do such things do it in a suicidal fashion, whether it's the 9/11 hijackers or a suicide bomber in Israel. I'm not sure how they'll be collecting the gold. The interpretations of the afterlife is far too great in length and scope to be in this thread so we'll skip that too.
Next, none of the attacks were done to reduce the number of infidels. Thats ridiculous logic even for the terrorists. Grats on you for believing it and the mods that modded you up. They all have political motives and something personal that drives them to the brink. The suicide bombers in Israel are typically kids who've lost family members from israeli aggression. It's a cycle of revenge for the people doing it and political for the people planning it.
Some Palestinian's openly admit they dont' do it for religious reasons and they themselves aren't very religous.
While Bin Laden may use the word Ji-had a lot it still doesn't take away from the meaning of the word that means struggle. This struggle can either be in a muslim's heart or in the open battle field. Either way the media uses the word incorrectly and so is the grand parent.
People wanting peace are the silent or at least not so militant majority. We don't get much press... We don't go into a town square and shoot our guns in the air nor do we make as much noise as a suicide bomber on an israeli street.
We will have huge congregations where the Imam will denounce terrorism but who the hell want's to cover that?
Is it flash or a small hard drive? Please say it's flash!
Hrm, i thought i understood the full situation but i decided to do a bit of research and learned i was wrong.
He was technically impeached but not convicted.
"Contrary to a popular public misconception, Clinton was successfully impeached (that is, the House did successfully send him to be tried by the Senate). He was not, however, successfully convicted of any of the charges (which is why he was not removed from office), nor was he given any penalty (beyond the censure of the House of Representatives)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_impeachment
The impeachment had to be passed by both houses of congresses. It went through the house of reps but died in the senate.
I'm pretty sure i was addressing the parent directly. The parent acknowledged and replied nicey. I'm not sure why your here to spew your nonsense.
In my post i addressed his case specifically, not yours. In your case you'd probably see a higher performance with a ti4600 on many games that are not dx9+. The geforce 5000 line was pretty horrible. It was the one time ati beat them hands down in all pricepoints for almost all games.
In your case, yes i'd buy a 6800 ultra as it would be a massive speedboost. I truly feel for you though, i'm sorry you had to deal with that graphics card when you had much better options availabel for your price point.
Totally incorrect comparison that illustrates a lack of understanding of real wow rules. Gays are not banned from forming a guild for themselves. They just cannot openly advertise in the general channel annoying everyone. They can advertise on the online guild recruitment board.
A more accurate comparison to the diner example would be. You have a table with 3 gay peoples. They decide to stand up on their chair and SCREAM so that everyone in the vicinity can hear them to join their table of gay people. Most guild recruiters don't advertise once on the general channels in the game. As it'd be lost pretty fast. The gays in your diner would be annoying your other patrons once every minute.
Would you kick them out if they didn't stop then?
I wouldn't bother with anyting higher then a $150 dollar dx9 card from nvida or ati. Whether it's a 6600gt or whatevers best in that price range.
A 7800gs is far too powerful, expensive, and won't perform near it's full potential on your system.
This is probably one of the most hypocritical (to the point of laughter) thing congress has been saying for a long time. If you truly don't agree with the conditions in china you shouldn't have opened trade with them.
It's not like american and chinese manufacturers treat workers of sweatshops that well. Google's actions do zero harm to the chinese people. The government will only allow a censored google through the "great firewall." It's much better for the people to have a powerful search engine and index for most of the items they search for then nothing at all.
Comparing Bin Laden and al quaeda with Hitler and germany is simply ludicrous. IT would only be appropriate if Hitler was a militant who never had control of Germany.
We appeased and allowed hitler and germany to take over countries militarily and officially. Bin Laden has no such power, al quaeda is not a nation.
While he is not a common criminal he's also not a leader of any country. Treating the al quaeda situation as a real war will get us no where. We can't conquer a mindset with bombs. Killing all the top members of Al Quaeda including Bin laden will not extinguish the problem.
A similar thing can be said of Iran. Iran has yet to call for or conquer it's neighboring countries like Germany did. We appeased germany by allowing them to conquer foreign nations. Trying to stop a countries inevitable technological advancement is equally ludicrous. A nuclear bomb is almost ancient tech by modern standards. It's hella powerful but it's far from new technology. Long range delivery systems and the sophisticaion of the nukes themselves is a different case.