Yes and ehm no. In fact very much no and only a little bit yes.
Red Hat doesn't sell opensource or for that matter closed source software. No please don't point out the box standing at the better computer shop.
Red Hat sells support. You don't buy so much a box with a bunch of cd's you buy that someone has sat behind a computer and tested all the little rpms burned on those cd's. You pay and pay through the nose for the fact that competent help is just a phone call away. Well known funny fact is that Red Hat support costs more then Microsoft support.
It is pretty much the same reason that IBM doesn't mind selling Open Source software that you can also get for free. Their customers don't buy software. They buy a solution and that is pretty damn hard to copy. Is it? Show me a company that can do you an IBM level solution? Sun, nope can't sell you a database. Microsoft, you are joking right? HP, well not enough high-end stuff. Gray, perhaps are still alive?
True opensource companies, companies whose software product is openly available are very rare. Doesn't mean they don't exists. Trolltech might be one of them although they have some restrictions on how to use their libraries.
Anyway Red Hat ain't one of them. Yes they have made opensource tools. But that ain't were they get their money from. If you don't believe me ask mandrake.
ehm going way off-topic with this. But I got a couple of cheap promise cards but am thinking of upgrading to 3ware card as well, saves up a few slots for one and allows me to use the new 64bit pci slot I got:)
You say however fewer headaches? Since the promise worked fine for me once I got it working this scares me a bit.
Did you have any problems, loss of data, downtime with 3ware? Or are they just a pain to setup?
Ehm? Curtails choice of filesytem? Exactly when did you have a choice when using windows? Well okay you got a choice. Between fat32 and ntfs.
According to some people, the "lets make linux simple crowd", the fact that Microsoft MIGHT go to a single filesystem is a clear advantage. Less choice to confuse you.
More likely considering that for the moment you can turn winfs off, it seems you actually get more choice:)
I have no idea what Longhorn is going to be. Oh sure I read the articles. But that means jackshit. MS, and they are hardly alone in this, has a well known history of not delivering promised features.
XP was supposed to be something hot and new as well remember? What we got. 2K with skins and directX. Whee! Still it sold well enough.
Of course you are right about the uptake. As a gamer I was reluctant to move my perfectly tuned 98se game machine over to XP. Sad thing is I did even sadder is that I never got it running properly and now am on 2k3 for a game machine o_O says something about MS I suppose that their server OS performs better as a games machine then their game OS. Oh well. Anyway any smart person is going to wait at least a few months before installing a new os. (I am clearly not smart as I am typing this on a 2.6 kernel works absolutly wonderfully except I can't make a software striping raid).
I am intrestted what longhorn is going to do. God knows that we have been using the current "desktop" layout for to long. Personally I would like a more intregrated enviroment.
Is longhorn going to deliver? I hope so but doubt it. MS hasn't delivered for me in a long long time. They did once back in the DOS days. Even windows 95 was a welcome change (anyone here tried installing OS/2 on clone hardware?). Since then the only reason to upgrade was hoping for better stability.
Oh well, just read a new test kernel is out. I am off.
True, but on the other hand. Say you bought that new Amd64. And then a month later you learned that the intel was coming out. Now you might then say Hey great, these tests show that for MY use the Amd64 is exactly the right one. Yippie I guessed right.
Of course it might also turn the other way. Oops you bought the Amd64 cause it was better then the P4 you had. And now it just weeks later Intel got a chip out that performs better for YOUR use but you ain't got the money to do anoter upgrade.
Sure marketing is evil. On the other hand we need it to tell us what A is available and B is going to be available if we got a little bit of patience.
Personally my situation is that I am totally hooked on the power of dual PC's so neither one looks very intresting to me. So I am just waiting for either the opteron to mature a little (read come down to my price level)
Morale we hate marketing but who else is going to tell us of the great new gadgets.
Would using bigger wheels put the center of gravity higher? Of course if you had really big wheels you could then swung the batteries lower to create a counter balance for the human on top so it could never topple over but you would need either HUGE wheels or very heavy batteries.
All I think bigger wheels do is make for an easier ride, perhaps make it easier to clear obstacles like pavements (can segways do that?) and of course the wheel doesn't have to turn as many revolutions. Same as kids have to peddle insanely fast to keep up with their parents on a bike.
Oh well nice gadget. But the Lego Seqway beats it for geekness and the original segway already shows that the tech is possible.
That he does it cheaper is not really that odd. Have you looked at some of the pictures? One puddle and it will fry.
Well I did spend some time going through your previous posts and this just confirmed what I already thought about you.
The fact that you are unable to write a decent reply just a half-assed insult further confirms it.
You are someone obsessed with linux beating MS. Oh we got to market it but we can't preach it. Make it easier. Clear labels cause oh else nobody is going to understand what the hell it all means.
Grow up.
And claiming slashdot moderation as a guide to quality just shows you are living in a dream world.
The reason I called you a troll was that this is article was about servers. So again I ask you, what the hell do desktops have to do with servers? But I doubt you are capable of answering that intelligently. So I will answer it for you. Absolutly nothing.
Yup I am sure that those soldiers from england in WWII taken from farms still using horses were totally incapable of then handling tanks. As for learning how to operate sonar and later even radar equipment. Why that was impossible. They couldn't do that.
You see I don't believe that younger people are more capable. Just perhaps less afraid. But I spent to much time watching kids crash and burn when they walked up to a computer expecting to find windows version X only to find either 3.11 or the NT 3.51. Or even worse OS/2 or mac.
Odd thing is that I have no trouble at all explaining the use of it to the cleaning lady who asked me if she could look something up. She used my linux machine without any trouble with only the simplist of instruction.
Don't forget that relativly little has changed in the last decade. Were our grandparents went from tech like horses to flying accross the globe. Writing letters to using SMS we just moved from ehm, using dos to using a gui. (presuming you are about 20-30) Many of the kids of today never even have seen the command line. I recently had to explain to someone what dos was. Not easy let me tell you.
I think many of the kids using computers is like the cat opening the door. Yes it looks very clever, but really it is just a trick they learned. Change the door handle and the cat will be unable to cope. Change the OS and the kids will fail. Try it sometime, it is fun to watch.
Why is he wrong? He likes windows. God knows what he likes about, he certainly doesn't seem to want to tell us. But he likes it. He finds it easier. Well maybe he has a fat pipe to admin it over. Maybe he is in the same location as the server.
Also windows can apparently run stable. Sure I never seem to manage it unless you count an uptime of 4 days as stable. But other people who say they got it running for weeks even months on end. So maybe he is one of those people.
Sure I can easily admin a machine over SSH over a mobile phone but that is not what others need to do. Figuring out all the options in apache2.conf (you are using gentoo) and spelling them correctly is I suppose something that you have to have a knack for.
But don't say he is wrong. Don't stoop to his level please. He likes his solution but has to say everyone else sucks because they don't agree with him. Fine. Maybe one day he will grow up. Not grow up as in not using windows. Grow up in the sense that he can admit that just because he doesn't like something it doesn't have to suck.
Prove is now, "if you had these figures I would think"?
Geez. If the wookie fits you must aquit or something eh?
Well okay lets go with this.
The richest person in the world use Windows. So I think that on average windows users are richer then linux users. (of course completly ignoring the fact that Mac's are more expensive computers to own.)
India uses linux. People in india are starving so I think linus torvald can't put food on the table.
Suse is from germany, germany started two world wars so I think Linux users are war mongers.
Apple is of course named after the record company of the beatles so I think the beatles used apples to compose their songs.
Every website can be viewed with IE, not all sites work with opera therefore I think opera can't be used to view the web pages.
Linux web servers are percentage X of the total server market therefore I think windows accounts for 100-X% of servers.
Yup you are right you can make any stupid connection if you want to. This is a non-news article.
This is not a holy war. Stop your forced conversion of the "heathens" you zealot. If people don't want to run linux, *bsd, mac, or any computer OS at all they should be left alone. Certainly the entire point of linux is freedom. That includes the freedom not to touch Linux with a ten-foot pole. I love it. I love linux to death. It is soft cuddly and always delivers in the end for ME. That is great for ME. Other people like windows some even like macs. Several billion have never even touched a computer and are perfectly happy nonethless. Good, now let them be!
Oh and I really hate people that wanna constantly dumb everyone down cause else their mom and pop won't understand it. Ever heard of genetics? If you parents are idiots then so are you.
Good thing people like you are not in charge or we would be in a world far worse then 1984. Imagine all cars reduced to the lowest common denominator. All tv produced for focusgroups. Games only produced if they reach at least 50% of the public. No more lotus elise, no more Band of brothers, no more SU-27 flanker.
Why do people constantly want to turn Linux into windows? Don't we run linux precisly because it is NOT windows? Hell for that matter it ain't even true anymore that the *nixes are for geeks alone. Ever heard of Mac? Nice simple powerfull (only bad point perhaps is price but then I suppose you don't have to buy the top end system). Lindows?
But guess what none of this matters. People like this poster want windows without paying for it. It is them not their parents or grandparents that don't get it or find it to hard. They are the ones confused when there is no start button in the bottom left corner. They are the ones that locked themselves in with their use of IE html extensions and IM protocols and now want the rest of the world to "free" them.
The only thing that will happen when they have turned linux into a windows clone is that the geeks will once again move on. Do not forget that one time Microsoft was the geek tool. Bill Gates once a hero.
Now what could possibly have happened in redmond that changed this? Perhaps they listened to much to the "oh I don't get this make it simpler" crowd.
Just as their is room in this world for cars without side-panels or floors, just as we still can produce quality tv on occasion, just as some of us still can enjoy a game that needs to come with a manual thigh enough to kill a german with, linux can survive without pandering to people like the above poster. As Linus Torvald has repeatadly said, he is not out to destroy MS. He wrote linux for fun. As long as one person has fun with linux it will be 100% succesfull in its task.
Oh and I know I shouldn't be replying to an obvious troll (this is about servers what would a desktop doing on a server?) but I couldn't help myself. Oh well let the "I would use linux if only it had X" crowd start the modding down.
Game length depended on region? Well it all depends on the type of game and what you consider game length. Exactly when do puzzle games like tetris end? Flightsims do they end or do you simply upgrade to a new version and keep flying?
How about Neverwinter Nights or morrowind (pc edition of course)?
Multiplayer FPS and MMORPG's obviously last a different amount of time depending on the player not the game. People are still playing Counterstrike. Noone ever played motorcity online.
I think this is one of the more idiotic questions I have heard in a long time. If he had specified the question to a certain type of game. Say RPG's then we could talk.
Oh okay allright lets give it a try anyway. I don't know if this is even true. Does japan have any Flightsim type games, if they have they remarkedly shy about it. Then again we got almost no Hentai/porn games wich japan seems to produce by the bucketfull. Africa seems to produce exactly zero games with Israel the only exception (Decent).
The old soviet union seems to have produced some excelltent teams although most of their games are known for their unpolished look. Operation Flashpoint and Republic are techinaclly intresting games but lacked the polish needed for the americans. (One review lauded an american game for including that.50 sniper rifle completing ingnoring the fact that the theather where less then half a mile accross, yes lambasted OFP for the fact that you could not hit a target 5 miles away.)
Oh well. Perhaps more intresting question is why certain types of games seem to come from certain regions.
You don't really say what the computers are to be for or maybe I missed it.
You see if the computers are simple desktops for the students to do office style work on then go with the cheapest solution. Lintel:)
If the computers are to be running specialised apps, maybe an IDE for development, research software then go with the platform that has the software you need. Obvious perhaps but it is a bit annoying when the software you use to teach doesn't actually run on the computers the students have.
However if these computers are to be used to teach student ABOUT computers then the only true solution is to have it ALL. Solaris, linux, windows (ewh) and of course Mac. Throw in the odd HP-unix and aix machine for good measure and just let the students get used to working on different machines. They will then be able to learn how to admin computers, not how to admin operating sytem X version Z.y.w
Remember mono-culture is bad. Of course saying this will get you fired:)
But really isn't high class education supposed to be teaching principles not actual techniques? I know that university level programming classes don't focus an a specific language but on the princicples of programming. Why should computer skill be any different?
As for ease of admin. Well images can be used to easily recover any fubared machine.
Sure the admin will be more complex, but can't you sell this higher cost with argument that your students will be ready to work in any enviroment they are put in?
Oh and if you are even considering solaris then I presume cost is not that much of an issue.
1. To show their customers that they will stand behind the products the sell unlike a certain other three letter company whose name starts with S.
2. The lawyers needed this time to look through it all?
3. Does this mean HP is serious about Linux, how about its own unix? What about its relation with Microsoft?
4. Ask them.
You may be right. But such tiny little details matter a lot. That HP is offering it is nice. Not major. Not a huge step forward for the penguin. It won't cure hunger, aids or pimples. But it is a nice gesture.
It shows that a really big company that has a lot on its mind, a company that could easily just fall at Microsofts feet is ready to stand behind linux.
They are risking something here. No matter how ridicilous we may find the case by SCO none of us will have a single word to say about. It will be up to a judge or 12 idiots. We all know how well cases like this have gone in the past.
So SCO could win. SCO is still saying that on the 1st of oktober it will start sueing individual users. Wich is the reason why noone has received a letter yet. It may not happen but when it does HP has just said it will do all the legal stuff on behalf of its customers.
That is sure to build a lot of goodwill with HP customers and the general world. Certainly a lot more then Sun recently got. (Sun spokesman: We take your money then laugh at you)
Pity that the kayak I got yesterday is second hand. Then again after what I did to replace the fritzy powersupply (no longer delivering enough juice to bootup reliably) I would have voided the warranty anyway:)
Damn a 99 dollar console? The GBA-SP goes for 139 euro over here. Wow that exchange rate is a killer. What you say? Dollar is worth less then the euro? Guess europe is once again getting ripped off then.
Oh well. Not like I was going to buy one anyway. Just wondering where the hell the price difference comes from. And please don't say thing like sales tax or wages. The tax difference ain't that big and the damn things are produced in china.
Just pissed off because I pay nearly twice for HD what americans pay. I am okay now.
Yeah, fuck lindows and seagate. Here I rip out my exisiting drive and replace it with a spanking new one and all of a sudden my old OS is gone!!!! Vanished into tin air. I bet that linux nut erased it or something.
Nice joke but this is a geek forum. We are the types to spot a split second shot of a command line. We know modern computers do not print one character at the time and we know how you should install a new drive.
Of course I say nice joke. A friend who works in support tried to make me believe something like this actually happened. Apparently the customer believed the OS was in the memory or something. Either that or that the OS would be magically transported through the air or something. (he replaced the disks. Not added.) Didn't believe him.
A dual P3 (second hand) fitted with cheap promise ata cards. Let linux combine them into raids and you got pretty cheap storage for home use. Sure the speed is not going to win any benchmarks but for home use who cares?
Only problem is that you can have a max of 3 promise cards. So that limits you to 16 discs.
Of course if you are an american you can now get pretty cheap 200gig drives. So that gives you a lot of storage even with raid5.
Yeah java, yippie, not like that never makes computers crash. (sorry freenet just crashed my pc again)
C is like steel. Sure you can make cars from different materials. Sure certain cars are known to be unsafe. Certain cars are in fact known to be real deathtraps. These cars are made out of, shock and horror, steel!. Steel therefore is unsafe and we should all move to a different material. Then all cars will be safe and we can all rejoice in having squashed the evil and unsafe steel.
C is a tool. Tools are not inherintly safe or unsafe. Watch some "real-tv" programs and you will see that people can do amazing damage with something as harmless as a hammer, a tool that has been around for several millenia and people still don't use it safely.
You are the tool user. It is up to you to use it safely. I fear very little will be accomplished by going to a different tool. In fact it may be worse. You seem to suggest a language were the language does the error checking so that programmers no longer need to worry about. Great so in a few years times we will have no coders left who know how to write their own error checking code. Who is then going to write the error checking code in these languages?
Even worse what would happen when a security bug is discovered in that error checking code? Then suddenly every piece of software ever written in that language has a hole in it. Whee! (can this happen, I am just speculating. kinda like when openssl has a bug every piece of software that uses it is affected)
Well as has been pointed out, but worth repeating to counter zealots, lsh was started earlier then openssh to give a free alternative to ssh.
You see lsh is a gnu project. Gnu is a bunch of unwashed hippies who got this silly idea that there should be a base set of utitilities that anyone can use without fear of restrictive licensing or people suddenly claiming ownership and demanding compensation for widely available software. (Disclaimer: read up on gnu policy if you want the complete thruth not just my version of it)
Of course these commies are completly wrong. There clean-room mentality and insistence on strict development practives to avoid any allegations that they use other peoples code show them to belong to the thin-hat brigade. It is not like we ever have to worry about someone suddenly claiming that they infact own the code we thought was free right?
I think that SCO has shown us that Eric S.Raymond and other GNU defenders are right. Sure the hurd was and is a joke. I mean why we had this great linux kernel, what could ever happen to it? (We all hope sco will lose. We also hoped that the MS trial would have gone differently. We hope that software patents will not be accepted in europe. Hope is good. preparing for the worst is wise.)
So what is LSH. A gnu replacement for a widely used tool. At worst it is code that we will never use. So what we don't pay for it. At best it is a ready replacement should something awfull happen to openssh. For now it is an alternative, not proven better or worse. Just a different way of solving a problem. Oh and one that was around BEFORE openssh.:P
Hi Mister BSD user. Of course LSH team found their bug purely by random, while the openssh through dilegent code review spotted their bugs right behind each other. (forcing all users to go through two upgrade cycles in quick succession, just bad luck I guess but still annoying)
You see BSD is good and pure, sure nobody is talking about it but then nobody ever talks about good security. Good security goes unnoticed and unapreciated.
Gnu team can not hope to compete, bunch of beared hippies. Why if only they had the skills of bsd developers. Then they would have discovered this bufferoverflow themselves. Told the world about it and how to patch it, risking of course nasty people figuring out how to exploit unpatched machines in the process.
Any person badmouthing openssh or lsh based on events in the past couple of days is a zealot and a moron. Exactly the same thing has happened to both projects, hell they even handled it in the same way.
Oh and one other thing they have in common. I notice that it is not exactly obvious to find WHERE the BUG info is on both sites. And please don't give me on the mailing list crap, how many mailing lists am I supposed to be on anyway? What is wrong with a bit of text on the frontpage. You must use at least version XXXXXX to safely use this product.
The story, project X, found bug in code Y and posted patch Z. Evil crackers on examing patch developed exploit ehm, A. Zealots users unrelated in anyform to either project X or project B laugh at X and say B is so much better for reason C, C being something totally unrelated, untrue. In more extreme cases they will even admit they don't know anything about C. In even more extreme cases admit they are just guessing. They really then on D, even more braindead moderators to nonetheless mark completly unsupported guesses as insightfull.
They make a point of pointing out in the article that it is NOT new tech. The new thing is the size. Remember no matter what the girls tell you, smaller is better. Those old examples are way to big to carry around in your pocket.
So no nothing new, in the same way the transistors did nothing really new. Except they did it while being really really small.
Of course I am just getting all kinds of funny images of what will happen with conflicting magnetic fields. But they are probably way to low in power to do anything funny.
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Red Hat doesn't sell opensource or for that matter closed source software. No please don't point out the box standing at the better computer shop.
Red Hat sells support. You don't buy so much a box with a bunch of cd's you buy that someone has sat behind a computer and tested all the little rpms burned on those cd's. You pay and pay through the nose for the fact that competent help is just a phone call away. Well known funny fact is that Red Hat support costs more then Microsoft support.
It is pretty much the same reason that IBM doesn't mind selling Open Source software that you can also get for free. Their customers don't buy software. They buy a solution and that is pretty damn hard to copy. Is it? Show me a company that can do you an IBM level solution? Sun, nope can't sell you a database. Microsoft, you are joking right? HP, well not enough high-end stuff. Gray, perhaps are still alive?
True opensource companies, companies whose software product is openly available are very rare. Doesn't mean they don't exists. Trolltech might be one of them although they have some restrictions on how to use their libraries.
Anyway Red Hat ain't one of them. Yes they have made opensource tools. But that ain't were they get their money from. If you don't believe me ask mandrake.
You say however fewer headaches? Since the promise worked fine for me once I got it working this scares me a bit.
Did you have any problems, loss of data, downtime with 3ware? Or are they just a pain to setup?
According to some people, the "lets make linux simple crowd", the fact that Microsoft MIGHT go to a single filesystem is a clear advantage. Less choice to confuse you.
More likely considering that for the moment you can turn winfs off, it seems you actually get more choice :)
I have no idea what Longhorn is going to be. Oh sure I read the articles. But that means jackshit. MS, and they are hardly alone in this, has a well known history of not delivering promised features.
XP was supposed to be something hot and new as well remember? What we got. 2K with skins and directX. Whee! Still it sold well enough.
Of course you are right about the uptake. As a gamer I was reluctant to move my perfectly tuned 98se game machine over to XP. Sad thing is I did even sadder is that I never got it running properly and now am on 2k3 for a game machine o_O says something about MS I suppose that their server OS performs better as a games machine then their game OS. Oh well. Anyway any smart person is going to wait at least a few months before installing a new os. (I am clearly not smart as I am typing this on a 2.6 kernel works absolutly wonderfully except I can't make a software striping raid).
I am intrestted what longhorn is going to do. God knows that we have been using the current "desktop" layout for to long. Personally I would like a more intregrated enviroment.
Is longhorn going to deliver? I hope so but doubt it. MS hasn't delivered for me in a long long time. They did once back in the DOS days. Even windows 95 was a welcome change (anyone here tried installing OS/2 on clone hardware?). Since then the only reason to upgrade was hoping for better stability.
Oh well, just read a new test kernel is out. I am off.
Of course it might also turn the other way. Oops you bought the Amd64 cause it was better then the P4 you had. And now it just weeks later Intel got a chip out that performs better for YOUR use but you ain't got the money to do anoter upgrade.
Sure marketing is evil. On the other hand we need it to tell us what A is available and B is going to be available if we got a little bit of patience.
Personally my situation is that I am totally hooked on the power of dual PC's so neither one looks very intresting to me. So I am just waiting for either the opteron to mature a little (read come down to my price level)
Morale we hate marketing but who else is going to tell us of the great new gadgets.
All I think bigger wheels do is make for an easier ride, perhaps make it easier to clear obstacles like pavements (can segways do that?) and of course the wheel doesn't have to turn as many revolutions. Same as kids have to peddle insanely fast to keep up with their parents on a bike.
Oh well nice gadget. But the Lego Seqway beats it for geekness and the original segway already shows that the tech is possible.
That he does it cheaper is not really that odd. Have you looked at some of the pictures? One puddle and it will fry.
The fact that you are unable to write a decent reply just a half-assed insult further confirms it.
You are someone obsessed with linux beating MS. Oh we got to market it but we can't preach it. Make it easier. Clear labels cause oh else nobody is going to understand what the hell it all means.
Grow up.
And claiming slashdot moderation as a guide to quality just shows you are living in a dream world.
The reason I called you a troll was that this is article was about servers. So again I ask you, what the hell do desktops have to do with servers? But I doubt you are capable of answering that intelligently. So I will answer it for you. Absolutly nothing.
You see I don't believe that younger people are more capable. Just perhaps less afraid. But I spent to much time watching kids crash and burn when they walked up to a computer expecting to find windows version X only to find either 3.11 or the NT 3.51. Or even worse OS/2 or mac.
Odd thing is that I have no trouble at all explaining the use of it to the cleaning lady who asked me if she could look something up. She used my linux machine without any trouble with only the simplist of instruction.
Don't forget that relativly little has changed in the last decade. Were our grandparents went from tech like horses to flying accross the globe. Writing letters to using SMS we just moved from ehm, using dos to using a gui. (presuming you are about 20-30) Many of the kids of today never even have seen the command line. I recently had to explain to someone what dos was. Not easy let me tell you.
I think many of the kids using computers is like the cat opening the door. Yes it looks very clever, but really it is just a trick they learned. Change the door handle and the cat will be unable to cope. Change the OS and the kids will fail. Try it sometime, it is fun to watch.
Also windows can apparently run stable. Sure I never seem to manage it unless you count an uptime of 4 days as stable. But other people who say they got it running for weeks even months on end. So maybe he is one of those people.
Sure I can easily admin a machine over SSH over a mobile phone but that is not what others need to do. Figuring out all the options in apache2.conf (you are using gentoo) and spelling them correctly is I suppose something that you have to have a knack for.
But don't say he is wrong. Don't stoop to his level please. He likes his solution but has to say everyone else sucks because they don't agree with him. Fine. Maybe one day he will grow up. Not grow up as in not using windows. Grow up in the sense that he can admit that just because he doesn't like something it doesn't have to suck.
Geez. If the wookie fits you must aquit or something eh?
Well okay lets go with this.
Yup you are right you can make any stupid connection if you want to. This is a non-news article.
NO.
This is not a holy war. Stop your forced conversion of the "heathens" you zealot. If people don't want to run linux, *bsd, mac, or any computer OS at all they should be left alone. Certainly the entire point of linux is freedom. That includes the freedom not to touch Linux with a ten-foot pole. I love it. I love linux to death. It is soft cuddly and always delivers in the end for ME. That is great for ME. Other people like windows some even like macs. Several billion have never even touched a computer and are perfectly happy nonethless. Good, now let them be!
Oh and I really hate people that wanna constantly dumb everyone down cause else their mom and pop won't understand it. Ever heard of genetics? If you parents are idiots then so are you.
Good thing people like you are not in charge or we would be in a world far worse then 1984. Imagine all cars reduced to the lowest common denominator. All tv produced for focusgroups. Games only produced if they reach at least 50% of the public. No more lotus elise, no more Band of brothers, no more SU-27 flanker.
Why do people constantly want to turn Linux into windows? Don't we run linux precisly because it is NOT windows? Hell for that matter it ain't even true anymore that the *nixes are for geeks alone. Ever heard of Mac? Nice simple powerfull (only bad point perhaps is price but then I suppose you don't have to buy the top end system). Lindows?
But guess what none of this matters. People like this poster want windows without paying for it. It is them not their parents or grandparents that don't get it or find it to hard. They are the ones confused when there is no start button in the bottom left corner. They are the ones that locked themselves in with their use of IE html extensions and IM protocols and now want the rest of the world to "free" them.
The only thing that will happen when they have turned linux into a windows clone is that the geeks will once again move on. Do not forget that one time Microsoft was the geek tool. Bill Gates once a hero.
Now what could possibly have happened in redmond that changed this? Perhaps they listened to much to the "oh I don't get this make it simpler" crowd.
Just as their is room in this world for cars without side-panels or floors, just as we still can produce quality tv on occasion, just as some of us still can enjoy a game that needs to come with a manual thigh enough to kill a german with, linux can survive without pandering to people like the above poster. As Linus Torvald has repeatadly said, he is not out to destroy MS. He wrote linux for fun. As long as one person has fun with linux it will be 100% succesfull in its task.
Oh and I know I shouldn't be replying to an obvious troll (this is about servers what would a desktop doing on a server?) but I couldn't help myself. Oh well let the "I would use linux if only it had X" crowd start the modding down.
How about Neverwinter Nights or morrowind (pc edition of course)?
Multiplayer FPS and MMORPG's obviously last a different amount of time depending on the player not the game. People are still playing Counterstrike. Noone ever played motorcity online.
I think this is one of the more idiotic questions I have heard in a long time. If he had specified the question to a certain type of game. Say RPG's then we could talk.
Oh okay allright lets give it a try anyway. I don't know if this is even true. Does japan have any Flightsim type games, if they have they remarkedly shy about it. Then again we got almost no Hentai/porn games wich japan seems to produce by the bucketfull. Africa seems to produce exactly zero games with Israel the only exception (Decent).
The old soviet union seems to have produced some excelltent teams although most of their games are known for their unpolished look. Operation Flashpoint and Republic are techinaclly intresting games but lacked the polish needed for the americans. (One review lauded an american game for including that .50 sniper rifle completing ingnoring the fact that the theather where less then half a mile accross, yes lambasted OFP for the fact that you could not hit a target 5 miles away.)
Oh well. Perhaps more intresting question is why certain types of games seem to come from certain regions.
The low resolution however does hurt somewhat. A sweet bump up to 1024x768 could warrant a third replay.
Awh lost a ball.
Damn this thingy is nuts. Pity the camera wobbler has had a few to many snaps.
You see if the computers are simple desktops for the students to do office style work on then go with the cheapest solution. Lintel :)
If the computers are to be running specialised apps, maybe an IDE for development, research software then go with the platform that has the software you need. Obvious perhaps but it is a bit annoying when the software you use to teach doesn't actually run on the computers the students have.
However if these computers are to be used to teach student ABOUT computers then the only true solution is to have it ALL. Solaris, linux, windows (ewh) and of course Mac. Throw in the odd HP-unix and aix machine for good measure and just let the students get used to working on different machines. They will then be able to learn how to admin computers, not how to admin operating sytem X version Z.y.w
Remember mono-culture is bad. Of course saying this will get you fired :)
But really isn't high class education supposed to be teaching principles not actual techniques? I know that university level programming classes don't focus an a specific language but on the princicples of programming. Why should computer skill be any different?
As for ease of admin. Well images can be used to easily recover any fubared machine.
Sure the admin will be more complex, but can't you sell this higher cost with argument that your students will be ready to work in any enviroment they are put in?
Oh and if you are even considering solaris then I presume cost is not that much of an issue.
1. To show their customers that they will stand behind the products the sell unlike a certain other three letter company whose name starts with S. 2. The lawyers needed this time to look through it all? 3. Does this mean HP is serious about Linux, how about its own unix? What about its relation with Microsoft? 4. Ask them.
It shows that a really big company that has a lot on its mind, a company that could easily just fall at Microsofts feet is ready to stand behind linux.
They are risking something here. No matter how ridicilous we may find the case by SCO none of us will have a single word to say about. It will be up to a judge or 12 idiots. We all know how well cases like this have gone in the past.
So SCO could win. SCO is still saying that on the 1st of oktober it will start sueing individual users. Wich is the reason why noone has received a letter yet. It may not happen but when it does HP has just said it will do all the legal stuff on behalf of its customers.
That is sure to build a lot of goodwill with HP customers and the general world. Certainly a lot more then Sun recently got. (Sun spokesman: We take your money then laugh at you)
Pity that the kayak I got yesterday is second hand. Then again after what I did to replace the fritzy powersupply (no longer delivering enough juice to bootup reliably) I would have voided the warranty anyway :)
Anyway, nice move HP.
Oh well. Not like I was going to buy one anyway. Just wondering where the hell the price difference comes from. And please don't say thing like sales tax or wages. The tax difference ain't that big and the damn things are produced in china.
Just pissed off because I pay nearly twice for HD what americans pay. I am okay now.
Nice joke but this is a geek forum. We are the types to spot a split second shot of a command line. We know modern computers do not print one character at the time and we know how you should install a new drive.
Of course I say nice joke. A friend who works in support tried to make me believe something like this actually happened. Apparently the customer believed the OS was in the memory or something. Either that or that the OS would be magically transported through the air or something. (he replaced the disks. Not added.) Didn't believe him.
A dual P3 (second hand) fitted with cheap promise ata cards. Let linux combine them into raids and you got pretty cheap storage for home use. Sure the speed is not going to win any benchmarks but for home use who cares?
Only problem is that you can have a max of 3 promise cards. So that limits you to 16 discs.
Of course if you are an american you can now get pretty cheap 200gig drives. So that gives you a lot of storage even with raid5.
Amazing, first poster is right, here the granddad is. And yes he thinks it seems harmless at this time. Wow.
C is like steel. Sure you can make cars from different materials. Sure certain cars are known to be unsafe. Certain cars are in fact known to be real deathtraps. These cars are made out of, shock and horror, steel!. Steel therefore is unsafe and we should all move to a different material. Then all cars will be safe and we can all rejoice in having squashed the evil and unsafe steel.
C is a tool. Tools are not inherintly safe or unsafe. Watch some "real-tv" programs and you will see that people can do amazing damage with something as harmless as a hammer, a tool that has been around for several millenia and people still don't use it safely.
You are the tool user. It is up to you to use it safely. I fear very little will be accomplished by going to a different tool. In fact it may be worse. You seem to suggest a language were the language does the error checking so that programmers no longer need to worry about. Great so in a few years times we will have no coders left who know how to write their own error checking code. Who is then going to write the error checking code in these languages?
Even worse what would happen when a security bug is discovered in that error checking code? Then suddenly every piece of software ever written in that language has a hole in it. Whee! (can this happen, I am just speculating. kinda like when openssl has a bug every piece of software that uses it is affected)
You see lsh is a gnu project. Gnu is a bunch of unwashed hippies who got this silly idea that there should be a base set of utitilities that anyone can use without fear of restrictive licensing or people suddenly claiming ownership and demanding compensation for widely available software. (Disclaimer: read up on gnu policy if you want the complete thruth not just my version of it)
Of course these commies are completly wrong. There clean-room mentality and insistence on strict development practives to avoid any allegations that they use other peoples code show them to belong to the thin-hat brigade. It is not like we ever have to worry about someone suddenly claiming that they infact own the code we thought was free right?
I think that SCO has shown us that Eric S.Raymond and other GNU defenders are right. Sure the hurd was and is a joke. I mean why we had this great linux kernel, what could ever happen to it? (We all hope sco will lose. We also hoped that the MS trial would have gone differently. We hope that software patents will not be accepted in europe. Hope is good. preparing for the worst is wise.)
So what is LSH. A gnu replacement for a widely used tool. At worst it is code that we will never use. So what we don't pay for it. At best it is a ready replacement should something awfull happen to openssh. For now it is an alternative, not proven better or worse. Just a different way of solving a problem. Oh and one that was around BEFORE openssh. :P
You see BSD is good and pure, sure nobody is talking about it but then nobody ever talks about good security. Good security goes unnoticed and unapreciated.
Gnu team can not hope to compete, bunch of beared hippies. Why if only they had the skills of bsd developers. Then they would have discovered this bufferoverflow themselves. Told the world about it and how to patch it, risking of course nasty people figuring out how to exploit unpatched machines in the process.
Any person badmouthing openssh or lsh based on events in the past couple of days is a zealot and a moron. Exactly the same thing has happened to both projects, hell they even handled it in the same way.
Oh and one other thing they have in common. I notice that it is not exactly obvious to find WHERE the BUG info is on both sites. And please don't give me on the mailing list crap, how many mailing lists am I supposed to be on anyway? What is wrong with a bit of text on the frontpage. You must use at least version XXXXXX to safely use this product.
The story, project X, found bug in code Y and posted patch Z. Evil crackers on examing patch developed exploit ehm, A. Zealots users unrelated in anyform to either project X or project B laugh at X and say B is so much better for reason C, C being something totally unrelated, untrue. In more extreme cases they will even admit they don't know anything about C. In even more extreme cases admit they are just guessing. They really then on D, even more braindead moderators to nonetheless mark completly unsupported guesses as insightfull.
Story end.
So no nothing new, in the same way the transistors did nothing really new. Except they did it while being really really small.
Of course I am just getting all kinds of funny images of what will happen with conflicting magnetic fields. But they are probably way to low in power to do anything funny.