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Build Your Own Segway

bugbear writes "Robot hacker Trevor Blackwell explains how to build your own Segway-style balancing scooter. He says it's not that hard (but he already knows how to build walking robots)."

257 comments

  1. Legal problems? by TWX · · Score: 0

    Use of the DMCA in
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    Yes, it's just physics, existing public domain parts, and a brain, but I'm sure that won't matter in a court of law these days.

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    1. Re:Legal problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh sush up siokaos

  2. Cost by r_glen · · Score: 1

    According to the author, the approximate cost was between $2000-$2500. I'd rather buy 2 of his scooters than give my money to Dean Kamen.

    1. Re:Cost by tho+1234 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "I'd rather buy 2 of his scooters than give my money to Dean Kamen."

      Why? Why would you hate Deam Kamen?

      He has invented dozens of revolutionary biomedical devices that have improved the lives of many people. (dialysis machines, wheelchairs, etc). Many design elements from the Segway, esp the redundent backup systems, come from his experience in biomedical devices.

      Meanwhile, he has used much of the money made through this to promote engineering and technology to high school students, through the FIRST robotics competition(http://www.usfirst.org/)

      This competition has raised the awareness of robotics and engineering to thousands of students, and probably a good reason why i'm studying engineering physics (with EE major) right now.

      I don't see why a tech site like slashdot is so against him, when he has done so much in promoting technology to the masses.

    2. Re:Cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I must fully agree as Dean Kamen has done a lot to help. I was a team captain in the FIRST Robotics Competetion for two years, it is very involving and also got me even more interested in the engineering field. I'm even going to one of my team's mentor's old college (except he went here nearly 60 years ago).

    3. Re:Cost by rifter · · Score: 1

      I don't see why a tech site like slashdot is so against him, when he has done so much in promoting technology to the masses.

      Simple. You cannot download his work for free, and it is not even Open Source! The cruel bastard! :)

  3. Not Likely a Good Idea by dolo666 · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is not likely a good idea for a few reasons.

    1) Who would you send yours to if it gets recalled?
    2) How would you scrape yourself from under a bus if yours suddenly whipped you into traffic?
    3) The whole Yogic Flyer phenomena takes new meaning when you consider a home-made Segway.
    4) The ozone.

    1. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot to think about the children.

      KFG

    2. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      1)how could something homebuilt get recalled? if its messed up then you fix it. 2)samething applies to bicycles, rollerblades, skateboards, etc... 3)reference too obscure. 4)the amount of people building this will have no serious impact on the ozone. next time think before you post, k?

    3. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by tessaiga · · Score: 1
      1) Who would you send yours to if it gets recalled?
      Given that even the Segways were recalled, it's a safe bet that homemade scooters probably aren't going to get safety approved anytime soon. My favorite quote from the guy's web site:

      Safety

      Segway: Everything is dual redundant. For example, "in the unlikely event of a battery failure, the system is designed to use the second battery to operate the machine and allow it to continue balancing until it is brought to a safe stop."

      My scooter: There is no redundancy or backup system. It is not even robustly made. Loose wires literally dangle out the bottom. In the fairly likely event of the software crashing, a wire coming loose, a component failing, or the batteries running low, the wheels will lock and the entire kinetic energy of the system is used to accelerate my head toward the ground.

      I can picture it now: homebrew Segway X-Games ...
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    4. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ozone comment actually was meant to make you think of how we might save the ozone by all using our own Segways, not the other way around, so you think before ya post, mmmm'kay? :P

    5. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, Red Green would do it with duct tape!!

    6. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      1) Who would you send yours to if it gets recalled?

      Yourself? since you're doing the manufacturing, you're doing the recalling.

      4) The ozone.

      Huh?

    7. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by isorox · · Score: 1

      Or the terrorists

    8. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by dolo666 · · Score: 1

      Maybe I mistook our goals. Judging from the use of industry, autos and such, I thought we were trying to DESTROY the ozone. Did I miss a memo or something?

    9. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by liveD+ehT · · Score: 1

      Yogic Flyers!!! HAHAHA Those are the guys who ran for Canadian gov't back in the nineties... the Natural Law Party, if I'm not mistaken. I get it. :) #1 reminds me of a skit with Red Green, where he built an outhouse and couldn't send it back to the supplier because *he* was the supplier. I'm guessing the moderators fell asleep on this one... LOL

    10. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this recalled as in Gray Davis, or recalled as in little toys with small parts that can break off?

    11. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    12. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You forgot to think about the chicken.

      KFC

    13. Re:Not Likely a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm... Segway Jackass....

  4. Next on Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How to deal with patent infringement lawsuits. Our local experts from IANAL & Sons will tell you how.

    Stay tuned.

    1. Re:Next on Slashdot by schalliol · · Score: 1

      Hah, yeah, that's it. BTW, you're not going to be sued for patent infringement if you build a product for your own use. Would it be illegal? Probably, but IF you're building a product that's been product IMPROVED upon an earlier patent, you have the ability to patent that.

  5. I'm tempted... by r_glen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do the bans on Segways apply to this?

    1. Re:I'm tempted... by EvilAlien · · Score: 1

      What a dumb idea, I can fall flat on my face without Open Source versions of Kamen's stupid invention.

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  6. Still not US-friendly by TACD · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't help but notice that it lacks training wheels. Guess GWB will have to wait a bit longer before he can join this 'revolution'...

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    1. Re:Still not US-friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, perhaps it should just be perpetually on right?

      The joke is dead. Get over it.

      Morons. Go vote for Gore again, maybe a 300 pound fat man and his wife who are nearly worthless with international affairs would make a better 1st couple.

      Assholes.

    2. Re:Still not US-friendly by GQuon · · Score: 1

      So that's what this recall election is about.

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    3. Re:Still not US-friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...nearly worthless with international affairs

      vs. shrub's complete worthlessness? yes, they would. Hell, socks would be better.

      Bush is a retard. Get over it.

      Twatwaffle.

    4. Re:Still not US-friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bush is a retard. Get over it.

      Let's say Al Gore is MUCH better than Bush at well.. everything...
      And Bush is a retart...

      Bush have to prove to the Republican party he could do the job.

      Now having that done Al Gore had to prove to the Democratic party he could do the job better than Bush and beat him in an election.
      (The Republicans don't have the 'beat the other guy' requirement something some party members grumble about)

      Now having done that Al Gore could got get a larg enough of the vote to win the electorial collage (I'm being careful... to win the majority and lose the collage you gotta be pritty near a 60% 40% split... Thats not very good)

      In short eather the entire United States of Ameirca (including Al Gore) is dumb as a stone...
      Or Bush isn't a retard.

      You deside...

      In short Al Gore would just say he found WOMD even thow it's quite clear there never were any.

      Admit it fooling the public isn't the same as running a nation... Bush is smart he's just not smart where it's needed.

    5. Re:Still not US-friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In short eather the entire United States of Ameirca (including Al Gore) is dumb as a stone...
      Or Bush isn't a retard.


      Point one is infact true. I cite the presidancy of GWB. Point two is infact true, because of deductive logic. You see, everyone knows Texans are idiots--yes, even the Texans. It's been public knowledge since, at least, before the time the Republic of Texas joined the Union.

      (getting back to that deductive reasoning part; I don't want you forgetting why we're here.)

      Since all Texans are idiots, and Bush is a Texan, Bush is an idiot as well. There. There is your proof.

      note: since all Texans are idiots, and Bush is an idiot, and a Texan, inductive reasoning also applies.

    6. Re:Still not US-friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Bush is from New Jersey.

    7. Re:Still not US-friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Bush is a retart...

      What kind of tart is that, exactly?

  7. Just remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Build in something to turn it off when it's low on power so you don't fall over.

    1. Re:Just remember... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Build in something to turn it off when it's low on power so you don't fall over.

      Great, except that if you turn it off... you fall over. The self-balancing does not work without power.

  8. walking robot? by dioscaido · · Score: 1

    Great article! But the walking robot... anyone else see the movies? Its hanging from a cable, and seems to go nuts and tip over once it moves an inch or two. Am I missing something? Not as high tech as asimo... that's for sure!

    1. Re:walking robot? by elwinc · · Score: 1

      Walking robots have been around for over 20 years. I worked on a running biped at the MIT Leg Lab in 1990. According to the timeline Miura and Shimoyama had the first actively balancing biped in 1981. The cutting edge of research would be to walk more efficiently (i.e. low energy per foot walked), to walk on rough terrain, to navigate stairs, to couple with sonar or vision sensors... In other words, basic walking is solved, but doing anything useful with it is still a tough problem.

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  9. Is it REALLY a Segway? by pegr__ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, does it throw you off when the battery dies?

    1. Re:Is it REALLY a Segway? by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      He's quick to mention that his clone has none of the redundancy or other safety features that are built into a Segway:

      "In the fairly likely event of the software crashing, a wire coming loose, a component failing, or the batteries running low, the wheels will lock and the entire kinetic energy of the system will be used to accelerate my head toward the ground."

  10. well i've built one already by Kwelstr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I changed the configuration, and instead of using an electric motor, I made it human powered. I put the wheels front and back instead of sideways... That way I cannot get sued.

    Also, I decided to add a sit, because I don't like standing and I have eliminated the giroscopes, they are too expensive.

    Hmmmm I think I am going to call my device "the bicycle". It has a nice ring to it.

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    1. Re:well i've built one already by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      The CNN article about the recall says it's kept upright by a computer. I was trying to explain to a friend that that's BS and it's kept upright by the same principle as a bicycle. He just wouldn't believe it. Anyway, nice post.

      Jason
      ProfQuotes

    2. Re:well i've built one already by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      It's not kept upright by the same principle as a bicycle.

      For the bike to stay upright, the wheels (actually, apparently just the front wheel) must be spinning. A segway will stay upright while stationary. Well, mostly stationary, as it needs to move itself to recenter the center of gravity above the wheels.

    3. Re:well i've built one already by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      Dude try riding a unicycle for 5 minutes and you'll realize you're not being kept up the same way as on a bike. On a bike you can just get on and pedal fast and you're good. On a unicycle you have to balance your self much like on a segway. To keep from falling backwards or forwards you have to turn the wheel and move your body so that you're balanced again.

    4. Re:well i've built one already by Nykon · · Score: 1

      you are half right...

      the "gyroscope" element is the primary piece in balancing the unit, BUT if it were not for the computer element reading the data and then constantly adjusting the first element would be useless.

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  11. qustion about segway et all: by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 1

    WOuldnt it be better to have bycicle sized wheels on it for stability, and curb climbing ability? ALl the ones ive seen have wheels 1/2 to 1/3(apparently) the size of your average bike wheel.

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    1. Re:qustion about segway et all: by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
      Would using bigger wheels put the center of gravity higher? Of course if you had really big wheels you could then swung the batteries lower to create a counter balance for the human on top so it could never topple over but you would need either HUGE wheels or very heavy batteries.

      All I think bigger wheels do is make for an easier ride, perhaps make it easier to clear obstacles like pavements (can segways do that?) and of course the wheel doesn't have to turn as many revolutions. Same as kids have to peddle insanely fast to keep up with their parents on a bike.

      Oh well nice gadget. But the Lego Seqway beats it for geekness and the original segway already shows that the tech is possible.

      That he does it cheaper is not really that odd. Have you looked at some of the pictures? One puddle and it will fry.

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    2. Re:qustion about segway et all: by kfg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The size of the adult bicycle wheel was developed through trial and error over a few decades. What I find interesting is that two largely seperate development trees came to much the same conclusion.

      26" in America, 700c in Europe.

      It's a pretty good indication that within the parameters of the problem the solution is reasonably close to optimal.

      Of course if you change the parameters you change the solution. Folding bikes, for instance, generally go with 24" or 20" wheels since one of the parameters is now compact size when folded.

      One of the design parameters of Segway type vehicles is that they take up a fairly small footprint, as close to a pedestrian footprint as they can get. Hence the small wheels.

      Of course the smaller wheels carry certain disadvantages, as you note. Higher rolling resistence (but since you're not pedaling this may not matter much to you), less able to climb over obstacles, more likely to fall into potholes and "nibble" in cracks.

      Probably the biggest detriment to the small wheels is the inherent lack of stability though. With the rider's platform hanging well below the axle line they'd have stability without the gyroscope. You can buy toys for parakeets made like this. Kind of like Weebles with Wheels. (In fact that would make a good name for a "motorcycle gang" mounted on these).

      Before the turn of the century there were actually a number of commercial bicycles sold that were built on this same layout.

      They don't work as well as a nice folding bike though. That's why you don't see them anymore but a number of manufacturers will sell you a folding bike.

      You "recharge" a folding bike with pizza, which is rather pleasant, and they're much easier to take on the bus with you than a Segway like device when you get tired of pedaling.

      I tend to think there will continue to be more bikes than Segways for a good while yet.

      KFG

    3. Re:qustion about segway et all: by worst_name_ever · · Score: 1
      You "recharge" a folding bike with pizza, which is rather pleasant

      Really? I've always found that it gums up the chain.

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    4. Re:qustion about segway et all: by kfg · · Score: 1

      You can't use "extra cheese."

      KFG

    5. Re:qustion about segway et all: by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
      I'm guessing one problem is that larger wheels are heavier.

      The system probably needs to be quite responsive, heavy/large wheels are harder to start and stop.

    6. Re:qustion about segway et all: by kingLatency · · Score: 1

      26" in America, 700c in Europe. This is simply misinformation. In both America and Europe, 26" wheels are used for mountain bikes (and sometimes hybrids), and 700c wheels are used for road bikes (and sometimes hybrids). Of course other sizes, like 20", 24", 29", 650c, are also used for special applications.

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    7. Re:qustion about segway et all: by kfg · · Score: 1

      You forgot 27"; and several others.

      KFG

    8. Re:qustion about segway et all: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...curb climbing ability?

      Forget curb climing what about curb crawling ability? Hmmm maybe that's a sexway...

      Cmdr Taco would probably go for the sexaway model or would that be the sexagay model?

    9. Re:qustion about segway et all: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      torque

    10. Re:qustion about segway et all: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed from the pics on his site that it looks like you stand *above* the wheel axels. Seems like it would be far more stable if his footpads were below the wheel axels.

      So yeah... Bigger wheels would probably be better. Also, I think it would help if he could get more of the motorworks out from under the feet, and get it more in between the feet.

    11. Re:qustion about segway et all: by kingLatency · · Score: 1

      I don't recall claiming to have compiled a complete list.

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    12. Re:qustion about segway et all: by kfg · · Score: 1

      Q.E.D.

      KFG

    13. Re:qustion about segway et all: by MobileC · · Score: 1

      27" is closest to 700c.

      26" is old style pursuit/timetrial/triathlon stuff.

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  12. Build your own segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's kind of like making your own pet rock because you can't afford to go out and buy one.

  13. hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the fairly likely event of the software crashing, a wire coming loose, a component failing, or the batteries running low, the wheels will lock and the entire kinetic energy of the system is used to accelerate my head toward the ground.

    Patent the powered faceplant.

    Sue Segway each time they have an accident

  14. LOLLERSKATES by nnnneedles · · Score: 1

    I wish I had mod points.. :)

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  15. It's patented by sterno · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most of the technology that makes the Segway work is patented. So sure you can likely build yourself one without pissing anybody off, but don't plan to start a business making them for another decade or two.

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    1. Re:It's patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I said that plans to build your own segway would appear on slashdot earlier.

      previous slashdot comment where you heard it first

    2. Re:It's patented by kingLatency · · Score: 1

      So sure you can likely build yourself one without pissing anybody off, but don't plan to start a business making them for another decade or two.
      I could swear the article said that.

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    3. Re:It's patented by Ignis+Flatus · · Score: 1

      Some guy in Japan patented one before Kamen, but just didn't have the foresight/money to patent the device in the U.S. So, I'd encourage anyone who has the desire to do this much work to go for it with no sense of guilt whatsoever. Kamen is just a hack as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I don't see how it received a patent in the first place. It just looks too much like the standard "inverted broomstick" controller that shows up in so many electrical engineering senior design projects, if it even rates that high these days.

      Also, wrt price, alot of the materials this guy used, such as extruded aluminum rail and L brackets are great for prototyping, but expensive. With a welder and some cheap steel tubing, you could save mucho dinero. Probably, if it weren't for the patent protection, some industrious guy could crank these out of his basement for a total material cost of less that $1000/ea. If you can't tell, I also have a bit of mild contempt for Kamen, so take this for what it is.

    4. Re:It's patented by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      Actually, Segway ought to license their patents to somebody who wanted to make them cheaply, like Trevor's. They would be much more dangerous than the Segway. Segway could then say "This is why our product is so expensive. Don't you want to buy a Segway(tm)?"
      -russ

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    5. Re:It's patented by jazman · · Score: 1

      They can't have patented gyroscopes. Or feedback loops. And they certainly can't have a patent on battery powered two wheelers. So apart from that, what else is there in a Segway?

    6. Re:It's patented by AlecC · · Score: 1

      You can patent an innovative assembly of non-innovative parts.

      When it comes down to it, everything is made of 92 elements, at most, none of which is patentable. So all patents are, at the bottom, about assembling somthing (except software and business process patants, which sort of suggests that they shouldn't be patents).

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    7. Re:It's patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAL, but in my undergraduate business law classes we were taught that, unlike copyright law, patent law does not have a "personal use" exemption. So you are violating a patent whether or not you "go commercial".

      Who knows if Segway would bother to sue individuals? But they could.

  16. Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by Davak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The guy that designed the segway also designed the iBot which is basically a wheelchair that can "walk" on 2 or 4 wheels. This includes the easy navigation of stairs.

    Forget about copying the segway...

    Copy this device! It goes for about 20k... how many people do you think can really afford this thing? This device allows wheelchair-bound people to practically walk again!

    Drugs go generic... but I fear this thing will be too pricey for a long time to come.

  17. it's only a flesh wound by Dorothy+86 · · Score: 4, Funny
    There is no redundancy or backup system. It is not even robustly made. Loose wires literally dangle out the bottom. In the fairly likely event of the software crashing, a wire coming loose, a component failing, or the batteries running low, the wheels will lock and the entire kinetic energy of the system is used to accelerate my head toward the ground.

    Sounds like fun to me!

    1. Re:it's only a flesh wound by kinnell · · Score: 1
      Sounds like fun to me!

      Try snowboarding ;-)

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  18. Was Bush's Battery Low? by toupsie · · Score: 1

    Somehow I can't stop thinking that the recent recall of the Segway's was somehow due to the spill that Bush took. The photo of the President taking a fall on his Segway seems to match exactly the symptoms described in the recall notice. Conspiracy? I dunno.

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    1. Re:Was Bush's Battery Low? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Segway was really invented by Al Gore. Ha ha!

  19. Lawsuit city! by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this guy is violating a couple patents :P. Hmm... Can you be sued for patent violation for non-commercial use? I wonder if he could be sued for releasing plans?

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    1. Re:Lawsuit city! by DaHat · · Score: 1

      What plans? He said no more about the internal workings of his creation then you'd learn from ripping open your VCR and reading each of the chips, hell, at least seeing the wiring configuration of a part (ie VCR is more revealing to it's inner workings then this story).

      All this is is a bit of information on how he did it, even if someone wanted to do it themselves they are going to have a fair amount of code to write and wiring to design.

    2. Re:Lawsuit city! by akmed · · Score: 1

      http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?get doc+uscview+t33t36+1484+0++%28%29%20%20AND%20%28%2 835%29%20ADJ%20USC%29%3ACITE%20AND%20%28USC%20w%2F 10%20%28271%29%29%3ACITE%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%2 0

      Yes is the simple answer to the first question. Probably not is the answer to the second question. If the Segway is covered by patents and this guy is using their patented technology in developing it then he'd likely be liable for infringement under the above provision of the US Code. What damages there would be can be found in 35 USC 281-287. No this isn't legal advice. Talk to a lawyer before considering building this device as described in that you may run into legal trouble as well. He might also be liable for actively inducing others to infringe but I dunno about that. If the Segway is patented, then you can get a copy of the plans for it from the patent office. That's the deal with patents. You tell everyone how to make what you made and in return we'll allow you full rights to exclude others from making it for X years.

    3. Re:Lawsuit city! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FREE LEGAL ADVICE.
      You can build something according to a patent, but you can't commercialize it.

    4. Re:Lawsuit city! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ARe you a laywer? If not, shut up because what you think doesn't matter.

  20. What's next, eh? by borius · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How to become a SCO executive in 21 days?
    Enjoying spam for dummies?
    CowboyNeal's aerobics classes on DVD?

  21. Build Your Own Space Shuttle by Josuah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Robot hacker Trevor Blackwell explains how to build your own Segway-style balancing scooter. He says it's not that hard (but he already knows how to build walking robots).

    In related news, NASA engineers explain how to build your own space shuttle. They say it's not that hard.

    (Seriously though, the instructions given on Trevor Blackwell's site for building your home-brewed Segway are not much more complicated than what I did in EE labs at Berkeley.)

    1. Re:Build Your Own Space Shuttle by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1
      The balancing part isn't hard at all. It can be done with Legos.

      http://perso.freelug.org/legway/LegWay.html

      The hard part is probably just scaling it up and making it safe.

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  22. Oh, come on... by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Troll

    I know that hindsight is 20-20 but in light of the recent recall a lot of the opinions here seem pretty silly in retrospect.

    Despite being able to build my own, I'm still impressed with the Segway(TM) and with the courage it takes to bring such a product to market. Like with cars, it's pretty easy to put together a motor and wheels and make it go. But building a safe, comfortable vehicle requires a huge amount of R&D, and it's very hard to be certain that such a thing is as safe as it can possibly be.

    I'm more impressed with the arrogance of Camen, suggesting that entire cities are going to be redesigned because of his yuppie toy, than I am impressed with his courage. And considering that dangers have already been uncovered with batteries are low, I sincerely question how much R&D was sacrificed in order to get this product to market on time. It seems like testing it under low-battery conditions would be one of the first things you oughta test for a vehicle boasting automatic stabilization features.

    And when you're the only company doing it, and when the product is cool enough to make good news fodder, you're guaranteed to get massive negative coverage and lawsuits when there are accidents.

    Massive negative coverage, huh? If I hadn't been reading slashdot on Friday I would have never heard of this recall. And as far as the product being "cool enough to make good new fodder", let's not kid ourselves. The reason the media went so ape shit about this is because it's easier to report on new trinkets like this than on the growing national debt, even though the latter will likely have a much larger impact on our lives than the former.

    This guy oughta edit his page and remove those comments since they look pretty silly nowdays.

    GMD

    1. Re:Oh, come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Massive negative coverage, huh? If I hadn't been reading slashdot on Friday I would have never heard of this recall.

      It got a fair amount of coverage on CNBC that day. All day.

    2. Re:Oh, come on... by MBCook · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Why don't you do a little more reading before trolling (which, IMHO, you're doing). First of all, I think that guy's statements still stand, getting the Segway to market was still quiet an achievement.

      That said, just look under the heading "Limits":

      Update: apparently Segway just recalled all their scooters to fix a similar problem: it can't handle hitting a bump with low batteries.

      Balancing depends on being able to keep the wheels under the center of gravity. If you're going fast and then run into something like a ramp or speed bump, it may require a lot of power for a short time to keep the wheels going up the ramp. Basically, it needs enough power available to provide maximum torque (enough to sustain speed up a 45 degree ramp) at the current speed. As batteries get low and motors get warm, the amount of available torque goes down. It's hard to predict exactly when it doesn't have enough to run safely. There's certainly a large gap between when it couldn't handle hitting a speed bump at 5 MPH and when the batteries actually run down. It would be a formidable task to develop the map of battery & motor condition to maximum safe speed, and you'd probably end up shutting it down well before the batteries were exhausted.

      There is another paragraph below that with even more info. Reading the first 3 paragraphs does not count as reading the article, you know.

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    3. Re:Oh, come on... by autopr0n · · Score: 1

      I'm more impressed with the arrogance of Camen, suggesting that entire cities are going to be redesigned because of his yuppie toy, than I am impressed with his courage.

      Who's Camen? It was Steve Jobs who thought cities would be designed (not redesigned) for this thing.

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    4. Re:Oh, come on... by DaHat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kamen never said cities would be designed around the Segway, that was Jeff Bezos, of Amazon.

      Please get your facts straight.

      The funny thing about the lil problem with the Segway having these problems when having a low charge in the battery is little different then an airplane when it is low on fuel. In both cases, the amount of time the controller has to come in to a safe 'landing' is short and will get shorter with any changes.

      The difference is that when an airplane runs out of gas it tends to crash from a much higher altitude, a person falling off a Segway is getting off much easier then a pilot with a dry tank.

      As I seem to be in an airplane bashing mood, I shall continue... another reason airplanes should be bannered (or at least recalled), in addition to their unfortunate behavior of crashing when they run out of gas... is the fact that they too can hurt people. Did you know that the first airplane passenger on one of the earliest Wright planes died in what was the first airplane crash?

      New technology reveals new problems about it's self and other areas, and those that willingly use any form of technology (new or old) accept the risks as to what might happen.

    5. Re:Oh, come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's Camen?

      Oh, lord....

      He's the guy who invented and publicized this rediculous contraption. What planet are you from?

    6. Re:Oh, come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very righteous rejoinder. It would have been better if you hadn't misspelled "ridiculous".

    7. Re:Oh, come on... by cduffy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is that when an airplane runs out of gas it tends to crash from a much higher altitude, a person falling off a Segway is getting off much easier then a pilot with a dry tank.

      Airplanes can glide. A small plane can use a flat, straight highway as a landing strip in a pinch. An airplane pilot at a good height without any running motors has (compared to someone on a suddenly-toppling Segway) plenty of time to figure out how to recover from their situation.

      I'll grant, however, that given the choice, I'd probably rather be on the Segway.

    8. Re:Oh, come on... by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who's Camen? It was Steve Jobs who thought cities would be designed (not redesigned) for this thing.

      Okay, okay. I guess I got Kamen's name wrong. Sorry. As for who made that statement, refer to my response to DaHat below. You all seem to enjoy nitpicking my comments to death, however, I'm the only one providing a reference link to the statement in question. Maybe you two can come up with references backing up your claims, I don't know. I don't think you and DaHat have the right to treat me like this. It's not like I'm saying something blatantly false.

      GMD

    9. Re:Oh, come on... by Zebbers · · Score: 1

      the recall was on the front page of the business section of my newspaper

    10. Re:Oh, come on... by tgibbs · · Score: 1
      And considering that dangers have already been uncovered with batteries are low, I sincerely question how much R&D was sacrificed in order to get this product to market on time.
      It seems to me less an issue of testing than judgement. They probably figured that people would have enough sense not to run it when it says the batteries are too low. I gather the fix is simply a software upgrade so that it refuses to run at all when the batteries are low.
    11. Re:Oh, come on... by avdp · · Score: 1

      And both the ABC and CBS nightly news (sorry can't watch NBC's nightly news due to scheduling conflict). I believe it also got some blurbs in the local news too (must have been a slow crime day in the neighborhood).

      Seriously, this news was very very hard to miss...

    12. Re:Oh, come on... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      a person falling off a Segway is getting off much easier then a pilot with a dry tank.

      But much less than a car with a dry tank.

      A Seg, as it runs down, leaves few options to the rider. Stop, and recharge somewhere? And wait for a couple of hours. A car running on fumes can pull into the nearest gas station, and be off in 5 minutes.

      Park a Seg for long enough, and it will fall over of its own accord. Name any other vehicle that falls prey to that.

    13. Re:Oh, come on... by brettper · · Score: 1

      I thought Steve Job's take on it was that it was a complete wank - at least that was the impression he gave. Maybe he's just like that

    14. Re:Oh, come on... by tftp · · Score: 1
      Most airplanes can't glide well because their aerodynamic quality is low. This parameter describes how many miles the airplane can glide when released from one mile height. A good glider can cover 40-50 miles without utilizing air currents. A regular commercial airplane will glide maybe 0.5 to 1 mile before it meets the ground.

      To get good quality you need to design for it; a glider will have very thin and long wings, narrow fuselage, and will have very smooth surfaces everywhere. This is not something that commercial airplanes are designed for.

    15. Re:Oh, come on... by tftp · · Score: 3, Funny
      Park a Seg for long enough, and it will fall over of its own accord. Name any other vehicle that falls prey to that.

      A horse :-)

    16. Re:Oh, come on... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      Did you know that the first airplane passenger on one of the earliest Wright planes died in what was the first airplane crash?

      It was the third passenger:

      1. Lt. Frank P. Lahm, September 10, 1908
      2. Major George O. Squier, September 12, 1908
      3. Lt. Thomas E. Selfridge, September 17,1908
      It was Lt. Thomas E. Selfridge who died in the first airplane crash.
      Oddly enough, he was a member of a the Aerial Experiment Association, which was a competitor of the Wrights.

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    17. Re:Oh, come on... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Informative
      A regular commercial airplane will glide maybe 0.5 to 1 mile before it meets the ground.

      Airliners have optimal glide ratios of 25 to 1. An airliner will certainly not soar like a glider (i.e. it has a low "soarability"), but it will be able to glide.

      For instance, there is the case of the Gimli Glider, a Air Canada 767 that was forced to make an emergency
      landing due to running out of fuel. At the time of the failure, it had a glide ratio of 11 to 1, which enabled it to glide for 12 miles to make a safe landing.

      Of course, the pilot co-owned a glider...

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    18. Re:Oh, come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more impressed with the arrogance of Camen, suggesting that entire cities are going to be redesigned because of his yuppie toy, than I am impressed with his courage.

      It's neither arrogance nor courage. It's simple salesmanship. He's appealing to potential investors and buyers, and he desperately needs to succeed here, lest his name be equated with the phrase "full of s**t".

  23. Re:Sure, I'll Build One by AnimeFreak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    In other news, President Bush declares Hurricane Isabel a terrorist attack, and delcares war on all of eastern Africa.

    Shouldn't that be "Western Africa?" Jeez, now Bush is attacking the wrong targets.

  24. I took off the sit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took off the wheels and the "sit" and used rubber footrests covered with canvas. I was going to call them "Chucks," but then "Lame Joke" is a much more technically accurate name.

  25. Re: What the hell are you thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You could get hurt riding this knockoff of Dean Kamen's official Segway(tm) Brand Motorized Scooter. Buy the real thing!

    [Reply to This]

    Re: What the hell are you thinking? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday September 28, @02:25PM

  26. Patented -- cannot sell or MAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A patent can prevent others from selling *OR* making a certain device. So it is actually not legal to build this, even if you have no intent to make money with it.

    Read up on patent law.

    1. Re:Patented -- cannot sell or MAKE by DaHat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try again, building it is perfectly legal, profiting from it (financially) is not. Remember that the intent of a patent is to protect ones rights for commercial exploitation of a given method or device.

    2. Re:Patented -- cannot sell or MAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you should remember that intent has nothing to do with law. Of course that is the idea of patents, but your parent post is right. It's illegal to construct for any purpose a device that is covered by patent. Not that you should give a rip. So many things are illegal in the US that the vast majority of adults are not only criminals, but felons.

    3. Re:Patented -- cannot sell or MAKE by Free_Meson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try again, building it is perfectly legal, profiting from it (financially) is not. Remember that the intent of a patent is to protect ones rights for commercial exploitation of a given method or device.

      Wrong. The only power granted by a patent is the power to prevent others from practicing the art described by the patent. There is no distinction between personal or commercial practice, it is just much harder to make a case for damages against a private practitioner. It's copyrights that explicitly prohibit reproduction for commercial use, though few folks here know the difference between patents and copyrights anyway.

    4. Re:Patented -- cannot sell or MAKE by MarkJensen · · Score: 1

      Well, if one were considering making something like the Segway, you should probably investigate which patents apply, and make sure you don't use those methods, processes, etc.

      For example, they may state a method of a "parallel-wheeled personal transportation device using electro-mechanical gyro feedback fed into a processor for wheel servo balance adjustment" (whew! What a mouthful!). Using different methods would not violate (infringe on?) that patent. Of course, a three-wheeled device using no gyros has already been invented...

      The point is that a similar, competing device, could be built on different concepts. Investigate the patents, and devise your own solution.

    5. Re:Patented -- cannot sell or MAKE by AlecC · · Score: 2, Informative

      No - it is not legal to build it. But there is no right of punitive damages in patent law. You can only sue for the profits you claim you have lost from the sales that the infringer has lost you. So if this guy makes one scooter for his own use, the only loss to Segway is the net profits on the sale of the one of their products that he might have bought, but didn't. Say $500. And no lawyer is going to uncap his pen for that little money. If he were to start to sell them - which he won't - they would almost certainly sue. "De minimis non curat lex" - The law does not care about trifles. As it is, the tone of his article is, I would say, generally good PR for Segway.

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    6. Re:Patented -- cannot sell or MAKE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Remember that the intent of a patent is to protect ones rights for commercial exploitation of a given method or device.

      That's not true either. Take a look at the constitution. The intent is to encourage people with ideas to share them. That's it.

  27. yeah. by libnatel · · Score: 0

    yeah ill get right on building this after i build my other amazing transportation device, called the "bicycle" with a little practice using this you will never fall off, be able to go for more than an hour, go more than 12 mph and not look like the biggest deutsche in the world when riding one.

  28. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it because of this much hyped scooter....or is Dean Kamen responsible for killing your family?

    Seriously, what's wrong with Dean Kamen?

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Seriously, what's wrong with Dean Kamen?"

      Just really really annoying. Like a tick, or a pimple.

  29. No by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    All you'd have to do is connect the wheels to 'spires' coming out of the side of the vehicle, rather then to the center of the vehicle. Sort of like "|\_/|" rather then "|-|" (we'll see if slashdot lets this past the lameness filter..

    It would make the thing rather funky looking though, and most of the stability comes from the software, so you don't really need big wheels unless you want to go over big bumps.

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  30. I hear ya, brother man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The instructions aren't much more complicated than what I did in EE labs at Coney Island College.

    Go Whitefish!

  31. I aready built one by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I started from scratch and tried to build a better one, but I couldn't find the fancy gyros and electric motors used on the original. Funny thing though, it came out looking like a bicycle.

    1. Re:I aready built one by cartzworth · · Score: 0

      Mine looked like a handtruck.

    2. Re:I aready built one by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      I couldn't find the fancy gyros

      Any good greek restaurant has them... You can also make your own.

  32. Is it just me? by Hershmire · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Couldn't someone create a cheap knockoff of the Segway by attaching a small shopping cart wheel to the back, and chucking all of the expensive gyros? They wouldn't even violate any Segway patents in the process.

    In any event, $5,000 for a scooter is just sillyness (yes, it is just a scooter).

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    1. Re:Is it just me? by eclectro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's not just you - good minds think alike :) -- I had the exact same idea. I bet that there is an expired patent for it someplace too.

      A simple wheel in the back indeed would get rid of the gyros. It is a simple solution which would probably be better/more reliable than the gyros too.

      But it lacks the "gee whiz" factor that tech-heads like. Indeed, it might even be boring.

      Kamen would have had a much more difficult time marketing such a product too. Which begs the question -- Is it the purpose of the gyros to balance a person? Or are they there to provide a marketing angle???

      Think also of all the fancy microcontrollers you wouldn't need. All you would need is batteries, motors, and simple control electronics. It would also be inherently more stable (regardless of what the Segway marketing people would say). I am very sure that if the batteries would go dead that you wouldn't be tossed off the scooter.

      I bet that all those companies looking at the segway (post office) would go for a cheaper solution at the drop of a hat. This scooter could be sold for hundreds versus the Segway's thousands.

      It really makes you wonder.

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    2. Re:Is it just me? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Someone already did, kind of... There's a few shops here in Holland selling motorized scooters, the variety with two wheels in-line under a skateboard-like board. Steering is mechanical, using handlebars on a steering column like on a bike. They're easy to ride: many people rode the unmotorized variety when they were kids... and they start from a few hundred euro's. Here is one. They have added the seat and the other stuff to make it street legal... but they can be had without.

      The importer says he's doing reasonable business considering that they're not street legal (just like the Segway)... yet. Legislators are already considering how to fit these into traffic and legalize them.

      Less cool than the SegWay, but way cheaper and easier and more reliable to ride. Sounds good to me!

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    3. Re:Is it just me? by Little+Brother · · Score: 1
      Which begs the question -- Is it the purpose of the gyros to balance a person? Or are they there to provide a marketing angle???

      First of all it doesn't beg the question, it raises the question.

      More importantly, however, I think a large part of the rational behind It/Ginger/Segway was to develop balance for a different device which never panned out. My personal inclination is the creator was working on a device for disabled humans to allow them upright movement, possibly in a rigid frame. The Segway was released as a way to get money from what they had, after the origional idea either failed, or wasn't ready when funding was running low. But that is just hypothetical, of course.

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    4. Re:Is it just me? by jht · · Score: 1

      What a coincidence!. It looks like Dean Kamen's company was working on just such a thing!

      Okay, now to turn off the sarcasm (sorry, I couldn't resist) - Kamen was working on the just-approved product called iBot for quite some time. It was the "Fred" to Segway's "Ginger" (after legendary film dance pair Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers), and was in the FDA approval process for quite some time before being approved earlier this year as a medical device. iBot can maneuver disabled humans in an upright position, navigate stairs, and handle terrain that would stymie conventional wheelchairs. I believe they cost around $20k - they're being sold commercially through a Johnson & Johnson division.

      It's known that Kamen is working on a Stirling Engine variant. There's been a lot of speculation that it's being developed as a power source for a Segway 2.0-type device. A Stirling power source could seriously improve the range of a Segway and make it a much more practical means of travel.

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    5. Re:Is it just me? by Matey-O · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No one will see this, but the Stirling engine he's working on has nothying to do with the Segway...it's a standalone power generator that also produces drinkable water. It's a SMALL unit, about 1m x 1m x 1.5m and runs on just about anything that can be burned.

      So, it may CHARGE your Segway, but it's not an integral part of one.

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    6. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In any event, $5,000 for a scooter is just sillyness (yes, it is just a scooter).

      I can fall down for *way* less than $5000.

    7. Re:Is it just me? by avdp · · Score: 1

      Yep. Kamen showed it to 20/20 (for those of you in the US).

    8. Re:Is it just me? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      There's a few shops here in Holland selling motorized scooters, the variety with two wheels in-line under a skateboard-like board.

      Yeah. There's a zillion of those here in the states.

    9. Re:Is it just me? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Just motorize a fucking skate-board. K.I.S.S.

    10. Re:Is it just me? by squaretorus · · Score: 1

      The point of the segway is more that it seems light - I think - and that the steering is very intuitive - i.e. leaning.

      Replicating that with a tail may be possible - but its not as simple as ripping a castor off a shopping cart and sticking it on the back.

      It also wouldnt stop you from leaning too far forward - so you'd need one on the front aswell. This is all starting to look pretty ugly huh!

      When the gyro technology gets replicated without patent violation we'll see Segways on the market for sub $1000 pretty quickly. My guess is that they will align prices with laptops, or mountain bikes, or something else where people have an intuition of quality / cost. Some will cost more, some less, Segway will remain the Mercedes of the scooter world.

    11. Re:Is it just me? by eclectro · · Score: 1

      You are right about the market on scooters/gyro patents.

      I remember glancing at the patent/or one of them back when this thing was named "ginger". They actually have patented (I believe without researching and spending too much time on a /. post) the lateral wheel configuration as opposed to inline that we are all familiar with.

      Rather than put the wheel behind the two front ones, you coul put it in front. Have the power delivered to the two back wheels and steer with the front third one, in which case you have a "trike" configuration. Since most of the weight would be behind you there would be less chance of forward tip over. Maybe you could take one of those "senior scooters" that are advertised on TV all the time and soup them up for street use.

      I agree, it would be problematic to have a trailing wheel, though I admire the durability of shopping cart wheels :p Even though it might be overcome technically, pratically it would be better to go with a "trike" configuartion.

      Which brings up another point. Three wheel devices are always less stable than four wheeled devices. Have you ever wondered what happenned to all the three wheeled ATVs??? They were steered by "leaning" too. But after countless accidents and deaths (and the following lawsuits) the industry changed and now you "steer" a four wheeled device.

      For a minimum amount of cost you might as well add a fourth wheel for maximum stability. After all, that's what your design goal is, right???

      Otherwise you might as well go with an inline configuration and make a real scooter. The market is flooded with both electric and gas (weed eater engine) micro scooters that have seemed to become popular recently.

      These have both cost and convenience going for them and young kids even can ride them.

      Which begs (excuse me) raises the question of what is safer to use out of all these options?

      I think that the four wheels would be, with the trike in second. This added stability might be needed if you were a mailman carrying a load. Otherwise inline two would be just fine.

      The Segway people would want us to believe that their Segway is completely safe, and maybe it is, but obviously the bugs need to be worked out as the recent recall attests to. Time will tell.

      Also, it's not completely idiot proof, as our president was caught on film falling off a Segway. But he also has a hard time with pretzels, so this might be unduly harsh on the Segway people.

      When I think of mailmen on scooters I think of the "speedy delivery" guy on Mister Rodgers, and he had a small gas powered inline scooter that I was very covetous of (and I think the makers of these things have smartly tuned in to this innate desire that boys have). He managed to get by without the need for a third wheel.

      My solution for a mailman would be a gas powered unit trike configuration, with an electric option for people in warehouses. And you would not be violating any patents by making such a beast. And it could be made and sold at the $500-$1000 pricepoint that the market probably demands.

      Anyway, designing one here on slashdot has been an interesting thought experiment. I also like monster garage on the discovery channel, and enjoy books by Henry Petroski. I only mention this for other "armchair" builders that may be reading.

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  33. Where's build your own fembot articles? by screwthemoderators · · Score: 0, Troll

    I couldn't find the shut-the-hell-up mode of operation for my ex-wife, so I'm hoping some girlfriend deprived /. writer can help me out.

  34. Why not just use a Rascal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can sit down, they serve the same purpose, and are just as dorky. A fully loaded Segway takes up the same space as a Rascal anyway.

  35. I liked this link by AchmedHabib · · Score: 1

    I liked this link on his site.
    Toward a metric America. That is funny for so many reasons.

    1. Re:I liked this link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meters make sense. Miles and feet don't. I can't stand pagan units.

    2. Re:I liked this link by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 0

      You mean you guys still use... how do you call them... inches? is it true that every time you have a new king, e.g. George Bush (son), you have to change your inches to reflect his own?

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    3. Re:I liked this link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmmmm metric chocolate chip cookies! Wait! They're contaminated with the poison of the metric system! Terrorists use the metric system. I had better not make them!

    4. Re:I liked this link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, an American inch is defined as exactly 254/10000 meter.

  36. Honesty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    With a scooter like this, if it stops working for any reason (software crash, hardware failure, low battery) you will fall, hard, and probably on your face.
    Why can't all manufacturers be this honest? :)
  37. Yee-haw! by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 1

    The best part of this was his honesty about how dangerous his model was to a real Segway, the failed model of the Lesson of Icarus, ... and the link to some guy who turned his Segway into a Roman Horseless Chariot. Yee-haw!

    1. Re:Yee-haw! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, that's funny. But you'd better watch where you're riding if you're going to have that big pointy thingy sticking out in front ;P.

  38. Truly we will be advanced by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    When the walking robot climb on and ride the scooter. Oh the irony of it!

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    What truth?
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  39. segway == utopian BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get real...spend the reasearch dollars into something which would benefit mankind...

    how about more efficient windmill generator technology or ultra eficient gas motors used in hybrid motorized vehicles...

    1. Re:segway == utopian BS by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      A Segway weighs 38 kg. It's a bit more efficient than even the most spartan car.

      Besides, shouldn't those eggheads wasting time on ultra-efficient gas engines be finding a cure for cancer, instead?

    2. Re:segway == utopian BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A $5k bicycle weighs 7kg, is faster, can carry more stuff (w/ racks attached) and is more durable. Plus you don't look like a yuppie faggot when you ride it.

    3. Re:segway == utopian BS by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah. The new postal service experiment with Segway mounted carriers (plus 125 lb bag) will surely displace the tens of thousands of bicycle mounted carriers.

  40. segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just what america needs.. something to help make you fatter and create more lawsuits.

    1. Re:segway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really IS amazing. Is the American Empire going through its Lawyer Age? Or is it the Apathy Age? (Just think, Washington who said "I cannot tell a lie", and two hundred years later... "I cannot tell enough lies")

  41. Custom segways! by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 1

    I'd like mine to be in camo colour, with catterpillar tracks, armour plating, twin turbine engine and a machine gun!

  42. it wasn't turned on by rebelcool · · Score: 1

    Saw this on CNN the other day when they talked about the recall of the segways. Bush's segway wasn't turned on when he stepped onto it.

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    1. Re:it wasn't turned on by rifter · · Score: 1

      Saw this on CNN the other day when they talked about the recall of the segways. Bush's segway wasn't turned on when he stepped onto it.

      Typicall CNN propaganda. The movie I saw sure made it look like the segway was turned on, but that Bush had run into something because he was not paying attention.

  43. Well, of course he he didn't belive it by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's obviously not true. A bicycle is kept from tilting sideways by momentum, but it doesn't flip over because it is touching the ground in front or in back, far away from the center of gravity.

    The amount of torque you would need to get the center of gravity on the other side of one of the wheels is huge, since there is a small angle between the center of gravity, the center of the wheels, and the direction you're going.

    On the Segway, there is a 90 degree angle between those vectors, and you would need no force to 'unbalance' the segway. The reason the segway stays up is because the software controls the wheels and continually moves the center of gravity so that it stays balanced.

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  44. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of that cost is from getting it past the FDA.

  45. erm, I didn't say he did release the plans by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    I only said I wondered if he could be sued if he released the plans.

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    1. Re:erm, I didn't say he did release the plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen a patent? One major part of a patent is a detailed set of plans for the invention.

    2. Re:erm, I didn't say he did release the plans by jbottero · · Score: 1

      Are you DENSE? Isn't it OBVIOUS that this is of the same tree as SCO/Unix? They will be calling soon...

    3. Re:erm, I didn't say he did release the plans by cakoose · · Score: 1

      autopr0n wrote:

      I wonder if he could be sued for releasing plans?

      And later wrote:

      I only said I wondered if he could be sued if he released the plans.

      If you had used "if" originally, it would have been pretty clear that it was hypothetical. But you didn't. You used "for".

    4. Re:erm, I didn't say he did release the plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you had used "if" originally, it would have been pretty clear that it was hypothetical. But you didn't. You used "for".

      He did use "if" and it was clear that it was hypothetical since he didn't say "the" before plans:

      I wonder if he could be sued for releasing plans?

      Dipshit.

  46. Huh? by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    That guy's name is Kamen

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  47. Who can afford, YOU will. by Shivetya · · Score: 2

    Simple, as with the Segway, the iBot, is a neat idea, but with little commercial application.

    UNLESS.

    Unless you can count on the government buying them. That is the key to either one's long term success. Honestly, the Segway is neat, and interesting, but as an alternative transportation method it sucks.

    It does work well for getting approved under all sorts of government programs, let alone it could eventually get forced upon insurance companies via the ADA.

    On topic, what makes this guy's idea better is that it gives us, the tax payers, a cheaper way out should the need arise. If the iBot or Segway gain large acceptance on the government front;(hauling around all those lard asses - it was so bizarre to see the Atlanta demonstrations - all were over weight!); then a cheaper alternative could save us money.

    Real innovation in transportation is creating something people will use, not something that looks neat.

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    1. Re:Who can afford, YOU will. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And I don't understand the negative attitude toward the iBot.

      The argument for the iBot is pretty simple and it's not at all about "looking neat". The iBot is about accessibility. Given a choice between home retrofits and the many many physical obsticles all over the average city and buildings the iBot is a good alternative that overcomes a significant number of those problems.

      Neither the iBot or the Segway will be something that the ADA will "force" upon people. I don't really like the tone of that. The ADA is about helping people who have disabilities gain access to the same places that people without disabilities can get into i.e. the Post Office, and the grocery store.

      But insurance companies may look and see that it's much cheaper to get someone an iBot over a the cost of a home remodel costs that will popup for accessibility aids.

      Look at it from the perspective of someone who's wheelchair bound. A normal motorized wheelchair can't go up a curb much less a set of steps. Likewise it can't be used to raise a person to get items off the top shelf in a supermarket. Nor can a motorized wheelchair help a person stand to be able to give a loved one a hug or greet someone at eye level. Then there's going for trips over uneven ground (walking with a friend in a park).

    2. Re:Who can afford, YOU will. by wik · · Score: 1

      A recent article (on nytimes, no longer available for free) on the iBot mentioned that it won't really save much on remodeling a home (a major selling point for this type of item). It's actually bigger than a normal wheelchair, so basic rooms such as bathrooms still need to be remodeled to fit the thing. In all, it's not the win that its inventors had hoped.

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  48. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by line.at.infinity · · Score: 1

    That device looks pretty cool. Strange how it needed approval from the FDA... But is it necessary? It seems like laws these days require people to make things more accessible to handicapped people anyway (fewer stairs + more elevators). Personally I'm waiting for my cheap robot-slave that will make me money.

  49. Re:MOD THIS SELF-PROMOTING ASSHAT DOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Muahaha...

    Reminds me of the saying "Point a finger and three get pointed back at you."
    But in this case only one of those fingers need be a moderator...

    Obveously he's trying to say the work he did in the EE labs at Berkeley was simple stuff not that he is some sort of brain...

    Gezz I love how people think...

    Microsoftie "Linux is Hard. It takes a computer expert to use it"
    Posted on Slashdot "Hay the avrage Slashdotter uses Linux how hard can it be?"
    Conclusion "Avrage Slashdot user is a computer expert"
    Study done "Avrage Slashdot user is NOT a computer expert"
    Conclusion "Avrage Slashdot user thinks he is smart becouse he uses Linux. A myth"

    No Conclusion Linux isn't hard thats what was being said in the first place...

    Half the population can't spell the other can't read...
    (In case your wondering I'm in the "Can't Spell" catagory)
    The few who can do both can't think.

  50. Here's some pictures of Bush busting his arse by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1


    Well, your mention of GWB busting on a Segway sent me straight to google in hopes of finding a photograph. Not only did I find a picture, but a series of pictures showing the fall a different points of the action:

    http://www.bikexprt.com/witness/product/bushfall s. htm

    Sadly, no face plant.

    1. Re:Here's some pictures of Bush busting his arse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG YOU R A FAG

    2. Re:Here's some pictures of Bush busting his arse by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      OMFG YOU MUST BE A REPUBLICAN

  51. Give SCO Back Their Intellectual Property by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As everyone is aware, the Segway was developed on the same planet as SCO, and parts of the design have probably passed through linux boxes...which was stolen from people who sold their rights to another company which sold those rights to another company.

    Anyway, this clearly makes the Segway the intellectual property of SCO. As you mention the Segway has some principles in common with the the bicycle...and we all no that the IP pirates Wilbur and Oliver Wright were bicycle mechanics. Any way, this is all confusing enough that if written in a legal brief, it is possible to baffle a court (especially if well placed lawyers get a cut in the suit). So, SCO Group of Lindon, Utah has decided to sue Boeing for violating its IP rights by building airplanes.

    SCO Group's stock is expected to double on Monday when the new suit is made public...to help more people get in on this historic lawsuit, the insiders of SCO Group plan on dumping large amounts of their shares into the market following the press release.

  52. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by Ogger · · Score: 1

    Copy this device! It goes for about 20k... how many people do you think can really afford this thing? I know who can. Stephen Hawking got one of these i belive. So he made that all up about the Univers just to get money to buy this one, wow!

  53. Big wheels by LauraW · · Score: 3, Informative

    Er, probably. (Scroll down a bit.)

    1. Re:Big wheels by DeskMonkey · · Score: 1

      Scooting around on a Segway does little for the style points but I tight red spandex shorts?!? As they say in the Eurovision song contest - "Nil point".

  54. hangin-bot by mm0mm · · Score: 1

    Its hanging from a cable, and seems to go nuts and tip over once it moves an inch or two. Am I missing something? Not as high tech as asimo... that's for sure!

    Yea, the video is awesome. It looks like some stoned kid dancing for his own amusement. It sure is not as high tech as Asimo, but hey, my father told me that what's more important is process, not the result that comes after. It's a "home depot" walk-bot, but it may become something big and popular. I mean "maybe."

  55. Re:MOD THIS SELF-PROMOTING ASSHAT DOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obveously he's trying to say the work he did in the EE labs at Berkeley was simple stuff not that he is some sort of brain...

    Oh, yeah. I get it. That must have been why he name-dropped Berekley, right? Because he was being humble.

    Sheesh...

  56. Hehe..., by DWormed · · Score: 2, Funny

    RoboteQ (the manufacturer of one of the parts) also produces parts for use in "battlebots". So, who wants to take first crack at the combination segway/battlebot?

    Besides, having a flamethrower on your segway would really help convince people to get out of your way.

  57. Every kids science project by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    Can't wait for the science fair's in school.

    Use to be lots of rocktumblers, and electromagnets (nail with wire wrapped around it).

    Now we get to see rich kiddies building Segways.

    Sounds like something from the Jetsons.

  58. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    So that medicare will pay for it for people it deems needs them.

  59. Save a few steps: by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 0

    Add a third wheel, you fucks >!!

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  60. YOU FAIL HTML by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    THE HTML FAILURE IS YOU!

  61. Good job by Animats · · Score: 1
    It's not that hard to build a two-wheel self-balancing system. Look up "inverted pendulum" for the theory. Handling the hard cases, like slipping wheels and tilted ground, is a bit harder, because the simple theory doesn't cover that well.

    The Segway seems overdesigned because, if it wasn't, people would have serious accidents with it frequently. This is independent of it being overpriced; there doesn't have to be that much electronic component cost in the thing. If it actually sold in volume, the price could be brought down to $2K or so without much trouble.

  62. No it is not Just a scooter by geekoid · · Score: 1

    it is a scooter with wheels on the sides, the sides! man, don't you get it? its like a scooter, sure, but the wheels ar on the SIDES! so its not a scooter at all.

    I can't wait for the new redesigned cities, I think I'll get me a condo.

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    1. Re:No it is not Just a scooter by Felinoid · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for the new redesigned cities, I think I'll get me a condo
      I'll be happy to have a larger population on the sidewalks then maybe the public will be more intrested in having cross walk lights that work instead of street lights that work.

      (A few years back street lights that worked was the big issue)

      For years we've had cross walk lights that give you maybe 10 seconds to cross before the "don't walk" sign flashes.
      I had to run accrost to get accrost before the traffic light changed and get run over.

      Of course we'll never actually get rid of roads but it would be nice if only 2% of the population actually drove.
      (Eather for hobby, sport or shipments)

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  63. If We're Afraid Of Building Balancing Scooters... by Farley+Mullet · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    . . .then the terrorists have already won.

  64. Oh, and I am more impressed with ... by TheMidget · · Score: 1
    ... John Titor's amazing foresight: Segway predicted in Jan/2001

    Search for "Ginger" (development name of the Segway), then "Scooter"

    This guy oughta edit his page and remove those comments since they look pretty silly nowdays.

    Yeah, hindsight is always 20/20. these comments here also look rather silly nowadays... (scroll down to section 5 for the juicy bits...). Read carefully, or you'll miss one of the double negations, and you'll find the text absolutely trivial. The irony of the text is that the author didn't foresee (at the time he wrote it) the full irony of the very phrase containing the word irony... (And yes, IIRC, that page stayed up until October... more than one full month after the event, and after featuring on cruel.com)

    1. Re:Oh, and I am more impressed with ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      that page stayed up until October

      Nope, no need to use the wayback machine, the page is still there, right at its original location: http://www.basicbooks.com/site/winter2000/017010/i nterview.html

  65. Yes, it does.. by caveat · · Score: 1

    The commercial one has a lot of safety features, redundancy and fool-proofing. Mine has none whatsoever...With a scooter like this, if it stops working for any reason (software crash, hardware failure, low battery) you will fall, hard, and probably on your face. Imagine zipping along at 10 MPH, and suddenly the platform you're standing on stops dead. Oh, and there's a T-bar in front of you to trip you up if you start to run.

    Ingenuous, but from the sounds of it, I'll pass...

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    1. Re:Yes, it does.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple solution: a short cantilever arm sticking out of the front of the unit, with a small castor wheel at the end. The arm is angled so that the wheel doesn't make contact in normal use, but if the unit tips forward too far, the wheel hits the gound and arrests the fall.

      I really don't see why fancy-schmancy redundant systems are needed for such a simple problem, when a stick with a wheel on it would do as well! Better, in fact... it's less complicated, and therefore less likely to fail.

      Now excuse me, I'm off to the patent office....

  66. Re:If We're Afraid Of Building Balancing Scooters. by isorox · · Score: 1

    The terrorists won (in america) a long time ago. Knock a yank down and he stays down.

  67. Fucking priceless by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Kamen never said cities would be designed around the Segway, that was Jeff Bezos, of Amazon.

    Please get your facts straight.

    You got to love this. Here, DaHat tells me that Bezos made that claim. In the comment directly above, autopr0n claims it was Steve Jobs. Tell you what, guys, since this archived article from the New York Times credits that statement to Kamen, I'm gonna go with them. DaHat, since you are the one who is making a big stink about getting "facts straight", how about if you do a little looking around on behalf of all three of us and figure out what the answer is?

    Actually, I really don't give a flying fuck whether those words came out of Kamen's mouth or not. Honestly, who really cares? Directly or indirectly, Kaman is responsible for the great hype surrounding this toy. You guys took one little thing out of my post and tried to use it to discredit everything else I said.

    GMD

  68. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, it means that you and I through our taxes will pay for them (if you pay US taxes anyway...) Seriously, if people really thought about every government expenditure as spending their own money, we would be much better off.

  69. I'm hungry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I'm going to get a taco...brb.

  70. safety? by iamhassi · · Score: 0, Redundant
    "In the fairly likely event of the software crashing, a wire coming loose, a component failing, or the batteries running low, the wheels will lock and the entire kinetic energy of the system will be used to accelerate my head toward the ground. "

    I'LL TAKE TWO!

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  71. I'd rather buy a sensible design by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In mean, FFS why put the wheels side by side and then include $4,300 worth of electronics to make it balance when you can put the wheels inline, save that cash and a load of weight but otherwise have identical performance *and* better brakes?

    It's being stupid for stupid's sake.

    Google found this for me in 0.1 seconds:
    http://www.zapworld.com/xtreme.htm

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    1. Re:I'd rather buy a sensible design by AlecC · · Score: 1

      How does this scooter, or any other in-line vehicle, stay upright when stationary or travellign dead slow (say 1mph)? That is what the Segway etc. do. Whether that is worth thousands of dollars is questinable, but it is something that bicycles cannot do.

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    2. Re:I'd rather buy a sensible design by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      I usually put one leg down myself. I just never realized I was saving thousands of dollars when I did it.

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    3. Re:I'd rather buy a sensible design by joboosc · · Score: 0

      you should buy a brain first but i doubt anybody's selling one

  72. Slippery riding platform by chiph · · Score: 2, Informative

    At first, I just stood directly on the aluminum plate. When I went through some wet grass and then I tipped the handle fairly far forward to accelerate, I nearly slid off and had it run over my heels. So you definitely need some grippy coating. Masking tape works OK, but I'm looking for some nice adhesive-backed rubber.

    Skateboard grip tape would be good for this.

    Chip H.

    1. Re:Slippery riding platform by bash_jeremy · · Score: 1

      At first, I just stood directly on the aluminum plate. When I went through some wet grass and then I tipped the handle fairly far forward to accelerate, I nearly slid off and had it run over my heels. So you definitely need some grippy coating. I've ordered some grippy covering made for skateboards. For now, masking tape works surprisingly well.

  73. It isn't arrogance, it's psychosis by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 1

    No, really. It takes decades to rebuild small areas of cities and their basic design stays the same for centuries.

    London, Paris, Rome etc are all based on cities of hundreds or thousands of years ago. The streets are the same, in the same place with the same or similar names.

    We got a rash of "new towns" in the 50s-70s which are a disaster now, requiring a car to do the most trivial of things. They were designed for a specific technology you see.

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  74. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    It goes for about 20k... how many people do you think can really afford this thing?

    Your insurance company can and will supply it if you really need it.

  75. argh by mantera · · Score: 0, Redundant


    whoa dude... that is the ugliest robot i had ever seen. It's totally the kinda robot you don't wanna encounter in a dark alley somewhere.

    1. Re:argh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the robot. That's the creator of the robot. The robot is what he stands on!

  76. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

    Of course. If a doctor prescribes a wheelchair for a patient (and the iBot, unlike most wheelchairs, is prescription only), and the wheelchair collapses, or malfunctions, the patient could be harmed.
    It's this same authority over "medical devices" that allows the FDA to certify heart-lung machines, stents, catheters, and a great many other medical tools.

  77. yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stupid Dean Kamen, and his making better wheelchairs for the handicapped! Who would want to support that selfish asshole!

    seriously, what's your problem?

  78. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by Davak · · Score: 1

    What? Are you just trolling?

    I can't even get the insurance companies to pay for my patient's medications or vital procedures... forget the neat wheelchair.

    Davak

  79. Recall? by Syberghost · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does he include a PDF of the forms to fill out when it needs to be recalled?

  80. The Correct Interpretation by Josuah · · Score: 1

    Obveously he's trying to say the work he did in the EE labs at Berkeley was simple stuff not that he is some sort of brain...

    This is the correct interpretation of my comment. The introductory EE43 lab (which many people take, not just those in the EE or CS programs) had you build a tutebot using legos, a breadboard, and stuff like motors and wheels. When it hit a wall, it was to turn back up, turn, and go straight again. Given the wiring diagram and lego blueprints, a monkey could do it.

    EE40, which is the I guess "harder" or "for-EE/CS students" version of EE42/43 had you build a similar bot but using a programmable logic chip instead of mechanical logic. Also not very difficult, though it did require more intelligence than arranging wires.

    I'm sure some psychiatrist can argue those other posters were simply projecting their own inadequacies onto another. ;P

  81. Yep build now... by musicscene · · Score: 1

    ... and you too could be re-called by the gov't.

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  82. It hurts to say this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but I figured that /. would be a place where a great article like this would be appreciated and commented on. What do we get? Comments about patent infringement, possibility of being sued, price, and other silliness. I thought it was a great article with some neat engineering explanations and lots of food for thought! Are there actually any techies hanging out on /. any more?

    1. Re:It hurts to say this... by AlecC · · Score: 1

      So you want /. to be full of posts saying "Neat engineerying - this is trjue nerd cool". Because that is what I thought. But I didn't post it, because it is Redundant. The article really says everything there is to be said. I admired it but I didn't have anything to add. Should I post?

      Maybe we want an open ended mod-point system for the original articles. That would actually tell /. editors more about how many people read and/or liked the articles than the number of posts. At the moment, a niche interest post that produces a shouting match between half a dozen posters looks more interesting that a wide interest post that averybody just thinks very interesting.

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    2. Re:It hurts to say this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't post my "neat engineering" thoughts either, because I also figured they would be redundant! But I was excited when I read the article, and was looking forward to reading what I thought would be some even more interesting posts. And I couldn't help but comment about the rediculous things that were being posted.

      I agree with you that maybe an open ended mod-point system for the original articles would give better feedback to the editors. I have to disagree with you though, that a niche interest post that produces a shouting match among a dozen posters being more interesting than a wide interest post that everybody thinks very interesting. This actual article DID produce some very interesting posts after all. Unfortunately they were lost in the noise! My original post was just my personal comment on my peception of the (un)geekness of /.

  83. handles on the side by tigre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    he mentions the thought of moving the control column to the side. why not have one on each side? probably a more comfortable position, allows your arms to help more in handling shock to the spine from bumps, and it definitely gives you more freedom to compensate for any sudden stoppage which might throw you forward.

    1. Re:handles on the side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are obviously a marketing droid. your presence here has been noted and sent to your system administrator.

  84. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    I agree that insurance companies are the devil incarnate. But sometimes they DO fess up when needed.

    Family I know has 4 kids....3 of which have brittle bone disease. All 3 in heavy duty wheelchairs. Now...having a teeny bit of knowledge of their financial situation...I *know* that they didn't purchase them retail. Ergo....

  85. i just don't get it by mantera · · Score: 2, Interesting


    i really don't understand this whole fascination with the segway, i can't think of any other product that generated as much buzz for no otherwise good reason as this.
    Just tell me, in what way is a segway better than a Honda Ruckus for example? I, myself, if given a choice between a segway and a honda ruckus, i would definintely take the ruckus. First of all, it's well established technology, it'll fill up anywhere, and it'll take you a long way on a tank, and you can fix it almost wherever you want. It's not particularly noisy, not the modern machines. It's extremely reliable, i'd totally be willing to take one to commute to work and make it on time, around town and do some shopping, on a highway, up a mountain and into the wood, along a beach strip, or heck, i can even go on an around-the-world forest-gump-style trip on one, i swear, it's that reliable. It's also fast enough, and flexible, it'll negotiate almost any reasonable terrain. It's also seems more comfortable, you actually SIT DOWN on it rather than commute standing up. As for the segway, it's damn slow, i just find it bizarre that some people say they commute to work on one, and also for some reason i feel it'd emarrass me a lot to be seen on a segway. I also find the Ruckus cooler in a no-nonsense way.

    The segway is just damn not practical as a commuting machine. I am yet to understand why postal workers or other public workers for examples were purchased segways rather than a honda ruckus which costs less than third the price. I realize that some people might argue that it's a machine that can be used inside buildings, but, i just think that's way too silly. Just walk dude, and if you have a problem with comfort get a pair of Birkenstocks. If you have a problem with walking then maybe you'll also likely to have a problem with standing up for the length of your journey. Can anyone give me a reason that makes sense why segways, at their current price, make any sense?

    I am sure it must be a fad.

    1. Re:i just don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree; the Segway is conceptually flawed. It's only usable over distances that are walkable. Any further than that, and the riding position and lack of weather protection make it infeasible.

      Then again, Americans hate walking, and as the years go by, they'll get fatter and fatter. So maybe in 5-10 years this'll be the way the morbidly obese get around.

    2. Re:i just don't get it by mantera · · Score: 1

      here's another pic of this baby, i love it
      Just look at the guy riding it, it looks extremely comfortable; fat tyres, nice sitting posture, and high enough and wide enough handles. It also has automatic transmission, so all you gotta do is just ride and enjoy the ride. It's obviously fast. It's got a quiet, highly efficient engine that's a marvel of Honda's design. It's got solid, sturdy steel frame structure. It's just way so cool.

  86. Re: thanks for the annotated version, Berkeley boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, if it takes you that much space to try and retroactively explain yourself, that's a pretty reliable indicator that you're full of crap.

    It's OK. Even the best of us name drop during our lifetimes. Just be a man and admit it :P

  87. Irony defined by fpp · · Score: 1

    "OK, I am in fact a silicon valley nerd, but I don't want everyone to know it."

    Probably shouldn't have created a website, then?

    1. Re:Irony defined by iiioxx · · Score: 1

      I would think the flood pants would have blown his cover, anyway...

  88. Did this one back in the late 80's by captainwasabi · · Score: 1

    Back in the late 80 when I was working in a NASA robotics research lab we were exploring applications of fuzzy logic and neural nets. Well, one of the problems that we were working with was the inverted pendulum problem. It is relatively easy to develop a neural net that can learn to balance a broomstick. Admittedly balancing a flexible body such as a human is a little more difficult, but not a great deal more difficult. The mechanism controlled just like the Segway, which ever way you pushed the broomstick was the direction of motion. This was not mounted on wheels but the principle is exactly the same.

    If I were to design the Segway I would use 4 wheels for additional stability and have a roof to protect you from the elements. Hmm, actually I guess I have one of those parked right outside. I remember when IT was being so overhyped and it really turned me off when it finally was announced. I'm not saying that it doesn't have ANY practical applications but I thik for the most part it's just an expensive novelty item. What the world really needs is a self balancing unicycle, now THAT would be useful at least under the big top.

    Personally I thought that Bush's face plant was a nice bit of foreshadowing.

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  89. Yes, but won't they... by Zathras11 · · Score: 1

    have to recall mine too? They just recalled
    the real Segway's because they (SURPRISE)
    don't work when the battery runs down!
    Yeah, and my car doesn't work when it runs
    out of gasoline either... :^)

    1. Re:Yes, but won't they... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but for saftey, they should just shutdown and gracefully stop when the battery is too low to sustain all the functions. Like the guy in the article said...Saftey is everything to marketing this. 99.999% of 10 million is still several tens of people on a regular basis. By US standards, that's open season for the Lawyers to pick your carcass clean!

  90. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Robot hacker Trevor Blackwell's Segway has been recalled due to safety concerns. Details at 10.

  91. What is Rascal? by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Got any pointers to more information about this "Rascal" thing? Google turns up nothing relevant in the first 20 results.

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  92. When lawyers run the world by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Simple explanation: When lawyers are more powerful in the economy than engineers and technologists, engineers and technologists have to think like lawyers in order to survive, and this spills over into Slashdot. To take this power back, all you can do is complain to your representative, asking for a simpler legal code. You're not going to get it any time soon because complex laws are job security for the American Trial Lawyers Association, one of the most powerful lobby groups in Washington.

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  93. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ergo they beat up a family of handicapped children and stole their wheelchairs?

    That's just sick...

  94. One line I like by rikkards · · Score: 1

    if it stops working for any reason (software crash, hardware failure, low battery)

    I wonder how long it took him to realize this compared to Segway?

  95. We're funny. by DwarfGoanna · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How many threads do we bitch about the lack of futuristic inventions, and then bash the shit out of them when their precursors arrive? (wearables, Segway, Star Wars movies, fat free Doritos...etc)


    Maybe what we really need to do is stop pining for innovative gadgets...they generally suck anyway.

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  96. Uh oh... by teledyne · · Score: 0

    ...what about a beowulf cluster of homebrew balancing machines! Dut dut DUT!

  97. You forget patent's civil law, not criminal law by DABANSHEE · · Score: 1

    Yes the govt can't prosecute anyone for contravening patents.

    One can only take on a private law suit, & the basic structure of a law suite for patent infringment is commercial, they just don't apply to end users knocking things together for themselves, well unless the end user is planing on using it commercially (like a post office building hundreds of them for it's postmen to use).

    Afterall there's thousands of patents that get infringed every day by hobbyists in their sheds & garages

  98. Replacement for walking? NOT! by sparkydevil · · Score: 1

    Kamen got it all wrong -- The segway should have been a replacement for sitting, just like that wheelchair gizmo he made. Imagine a moving seat taking the place of your sofa. Press a button to go to the fridge. Another to go to the movies (parking space in the theater). Hell, you could even build in a toilet and never leave your seat. Coooooool!

  99. re: walking robots by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The problem with almost every walking robot I've seen is that they try to be 100% in control.


    Walking [and bike riding] is not about 100% control, but learning to react to being out-of-control. A baby takes so long to learn to walk because they have to learn to fall a little. Riding a bike involves learning not just to pedal, but to "sway" back and forth with each motion..and the terrain.


    Someone should build a ot with pairs of linear motors so that it can develop opposing "waves" of motion, against, and free power.

  100. Hand Trucks are cool too! by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
    First, you'll get killed on any street in the US outside of a major city...US drivers refuse to yeild any ground to pedestrians or bicycalists...forget horses anymore [illegal in many places]. That's why scooters haven't taken off. I really want one for work, I live just to far to "convienantly" walk, but I'm da## scared to ride on the streets! Segway is trying to get on the sidewalks for this very reason! many people could use cars less if a convienent, portable method of transportation was available...economics may soon demand it!

    As for why...ever riden on a hand truck [two-wheeled box dolly]? They would seem to ride better with the handles in front! step on like a box, and you'll be just dying to take off! It's silly, but if you've seen someone do it, you've probably tried it too. It's a simple kid idea. you're not a big enough kid to be on /. if you didn't see the segway for what it was a long time ago!

  101. Look for Rascal Scooter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're basically those sit down wheelchairs that elderly use. The Segway is essentially the same thing, except you stand up. Quite frankly, the Segway is really just one step away from a Rascal.

  102. NeXT shipped a demo of this in 1989 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NeXT came with a demo program of a seal balancing a stick on it's nose. It was one dimensional and all it has to do is move the bottom of the stick under the top. That's all a Segway does.

    If you were to take a force and push the top of the stick to the right, the seal would move right to stay under it. Thus you have motion by leaning in a direction.

    The Segway is incredibly simple.

    But given that you indicate which way want to travel it by unbalancing it, it is inherently unsafe. If the batteries die you will always fall off it. Either immediately in the case of the batteries dying in motion or as soon as you lean, in the case of batteries dying at a standstill.

    In fact, the system has no way of resisting you if you want to go a direction. If you want to go forward it must either move forward to keep under you or else you both fall over.

    In my opinion, the Segway is inherently flawed because of this. Add to that the flaw that it takes both hands to operate and you have a very fascinating device that has little or no practical use.

  103. Dyson by squaretorus · · Score: 1

    Dyson have about 4.2 Billion patents for their cyclonic vacuum cleaners. This slowed development of competing products - but it couldn't stop them because, quite simply, you can't patent physics.

    All it takes is for a research lab to exploit the same physical effect in a slightly different form, unless the patent is rediculously generalised - i.e. "The use of cyclonic sucky effect in cleaning products" - which of course they aren't (on the whole).

    Electrolux, Hoover, etc... all just went out and bought a hundred Dysons, tore them apart, and put them back together swapping as many components as they could without breaking the vaccuum. Easy! Oops - no - sorry - they carried out parallel novel research!! Silly me!

  104. misnomer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Segway" is a severe misnomer for a vehicle where you have to stop to "refuel". One would expect that it should be possible to pick up a battery pack and hot-swap while riding along; and the battery pack itself should be capable of withstanding being thrown from the vehicle {well, what else are you going to do with it?} MBR>
    Otherwise, it hardly deserves to be named after not stopping.

  105. Sorry, already been done, right here by Zugok · · Score: 1
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  106. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by SteelRat · · Score: 1

    perhaps they should throw prof xavier in one of those for the next x-men movie.

    then again, dark phoenix will likely blow it up anyway.

  107. Thanks. by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Google had a tough time finding the official site among pages spamming the index with repeated words.

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  108. Clasic :-)) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mpeg of the guy and his fake segway going up the pavement .... Clasic.....

  109. Re:I don't understand... by Garridan · · Score: 1

    No, thats something your average cyclist can't do. I know plenty who can sit at a dead stop, balanced on their bikes. But then, I hang out with bike couriers... so thats to be expected.

  110. Re:Forget the Segway. Better wheelchairs! by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    No I do look at it that way actually. It personally sickens me to see my motherinlaw take approx 1000 dollars a month in medicine that medicare and medicade pays for most of which she doesn't need. And shes not really disabled