Nonsense, gmail came out on april 1st didn't it? Or the 1 gig announcement? Something about it. And I seem to recall/. had a story on it and no one belived it for a day or 3.
Uhm $5? haaahha no. Retailer takes like $35 out of a $50 box. Then publisher takes a chunk of the rest. The actual game development studio is lucky to even see $5 out per box sale.
Which is why things like Steam have popped up, they make bank off of every online copy of hl2. Which is why vivendi/sierra sued them.
Interesting that you should speak of indexing files. I'm looking for a file indexer right now, google doesn't do the kinda file/folder name search that I like, windows does, but is SO freaking slow, and turning on the indexing service to speed it up is something that apparently can use up to like 30% of your hdd space. I'm not about to give up that much hdd space for an occasional search.
I never said it would be easy, thats why I specificaly said the porting part has been done. Testing differant configs is a huge job. But at least we know that it works fine on a single intel compatible config, this bodes well for other configs, it is at least a starting point.
As well, saying MS grabs concepts from the mac OS, thats not a troll, its a fact. Last few vista articles I read go on about the search while you type feature (one of the few features MS hasn't canceled or pulled or rendered non vista exclusive), and many mention that that feature has been in the Mac OS for a long time now, whats it called again? Searchlight? Spotlight? Anyway something like it has been in the Mac OS for a while now. Or what about the GUI idea of windows being basically an idea from the original mac OS x gui? I think the transparent window stuff in windows GUI was done in mac OS prior to windows as well. I'll modify this slightly and say that from what I found on a random quick google search, MS originally liscensed some GUI stuff from apple for windows 1.0. So they "borrowed" that legitimatly and didn't "steal" it. Although they practically blackmailed apple (threatened to withdraw some early Mac apps at last minute unless MS got the liscense) to give them the liscense. And apparently from apple having vauge liscensing terms, apple hasn't had much chance of a success in sueing MS for grabbing lots of features since then. And know this and I'm not even a mac fanatic. I dont own a mac, or any of its products, or an ipod. And I think apple is disgusting for the times its wildly exaggerated its hardware performance claims compared to a pentium. So I'm not in any stretch of the imagination a mac/apple supporter. But I would like to give the OS a try someday.
And the last part, ok fine, its based off of a derivitive of another software that was based on a derivitave of a flavor of unix. It still has had in its past open source roots to some degree.
No they didn't make thier own chip, but being as they were one of the largest purchasers, they had some influence into things like a potential features on the next generation, etc. I belive that they previously had much more control over the hardware and specs than they do now.
I didn't know the detailed history of nextstep. Interesting. But a lot of your comments are moot. a) The OS X system runs on intel hardware, and an intel CPU. So its been tested and debugged already (at least to the extent of having the capabilities to run on the platform) b) The OS has been out a while and is already really good and really polished. MS steals ideas from it all the time. c) They no longer have quite as much control of the hardware, they are using off the shelf intel CPU's rather than thier own. I imagine its the same with the majority of their parts. They might have a lot of control over the selection of the parts, but the actual parts are not nearly as much under thier control and specifications anymore.
Sure it might be nessasary to do a lot more testing of various IBM PC compatible setups and configurations, but the porting part is done.
And yeah, this would be hard. And difficult and cost money. But the potential rewards are HUGE! And isn't MAC os X based on linux anyway? Haven't we been wanting linux to give windows a run for its money on the average desktop?:)
I agree with most of what you said except a) I did mention in my original comment a cost of $500. That should cover most of the profit apple would make on a midrange system. And it would STILL be cheaper than a mac. Even if it drives off many people looking for really really cheap stuff, thats fine, it would still increase apple's market share very significantly.
I'm not saying that this is likely to happen. Only that it would be great, AND its a much more interesting quesiton than "would windows run on a mactel" which no mac fanatics I've ever asked care about.
Take a look, they've done smashing so far:
http://forums.galciv2.com/?AID=105470
They've sold out of thier first printing, and the orders for the next printing EXCEED the first. This is UNHEARD OF for a game to sell more as it gets older. 99.99% of time, games sell the most in the first couple weeks.
BTW, I bought this game, its GREAT!
Meanwhile we have a sleeper hit called Galactic Civilizations 2 www.galciv2.com It has NO ZIP ZERO NONE copy protection at all. Instead, they give feature filled updates and patches that require a valid serial # to download. Here's what the latest patch does (and this was done in just a week or two, unlike the just announced and badly needed to fix critical issues Battle for Middle Earth Patch that wont be ready for release for a month): http://www.galciv2.com/Journals.aspx?AID=104660 Notice that while there's a good amount of bug fixes (lots of it stuff most people wouldn't even notice) there's also a lot of added features and game content. Here's an example of what fans have done in ship design in the game, incredible stuff: http://forums.galciv2.com/?AID=105823 They just sold through thier first printing run after a couple weeks after release. And the 2nd batch of orders EXCEEDS the initial order! This is frigging UNHEARD of. No game sells more copies weeks after release than the first weeks. (except maybe half life 1, and that was from the most popular online FPS in the world, a free mod incidentally, called Counter Strike). And this from a game with no copy protection. THIS is the model that should be pursued by game companies, improve the game as an incentive to buy it. Actually multiplayer games that let you only play online with a valid serial is a good method in and of itself to encourage purchasing a legit copy of a game. I've never understood why they felt the need to add additional copy protection if the main game that people are interested in is multiplayer. Or at least companies should adapt the alternative model below:
Epic games has a great model I wish companies would emulate. After a few months to a year, they will often release a patch which REMOVES all cd based copy protection (you still need a valid serial to play online). Its GREAT not to have to put in the Unreal Tournament 2004 (UT2k4) DVD anymore when I want to play the game. I just click and go! After all, most copy protection is only designed to just delay a crack from being released on the internet. If it can just be delayed for a couple weeks (or even a few days), they get over the biggest amount of sales and pre-orders, and all the people desperate to play will probably have bought it. Even the copy protection people admit that its practicaly inevitable that a game will get cracked, they just hope to delay it. And almost always, the pain, suffering, incompatability and annoyances are mostly felt by LEGITIMATE CONSUMERS who have a purchased game! The pirate will just go grab a crack somewhere and apply it and hes set.
All the mac fanatics I've talked to dont frigging CARE about running windows on mac computers. They are into macs. They buy only mac stuff. They pay through the nose. They use software that runs on mac OS X, etc. I dont understand why everyone is pushing the stories about running windows on macs.
No, the REAL interesting question is, will we ever be able to run the Mac OS on a normal windows machine? Really, apple is now mostly a software company (excluding non computer areas like ipods, or things like the apple cinema displays), they are moving to intel hardware. Thier OS has always been exceptional, and MS has always copied features for it for windows. Why not just give it up, admit the truth, and move to marketing the OS? Sell it so it can run on a normal windows machine! A TON of people (including me) would dual boot our windows machines with the Mac OS in a heartbeat. Then we wouldn't have to pay through the nose for the overhyped overpriced mac hardware (and apple practically lying about how fast thier CPU's are compared to pentiums). Instead we'd get the software, which is where its always been at. Even if they charged $500 per copy, it would still fly off the shelves, its still cheaper than a Mac computer.
Plus, then apple could grab a much larger percentage of the market. As more people dual booted and did more and more work in Mac OS, there would be more and more games and applications made compatible with the Mac OS. Especially now that the CPU is a normal intel one. Eventually people could just stick with the Mac OS and forget windows.
Anyway, thats my 2 cents. Forget about the boring question of a Mac running windows, think about an IBM PC compatible computer running Mac OS X!
Read it yourself. They mention "Me, Inc" TM sure, but at at least one point they specifically say "Me"TM without the Inc part, thus implying they have trademarked the term "Me".
Odd that no one mentions about POWER button issues
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The article says that all vista desktops won't turn off anymore from the power button, but only standby (still runs RAM, CPU, etc). Watch the national power usage go up from that, not to mention increased issues with power loss when windows vista is running.
But thats not the worst of it. Laptops wont hibernate by default when you hit the power button, they will standby instead. Hit the power button on your laptop in the morning and you'd expect it would have juice for after lunch right? Nope, it will run down the battery and when its a couple percent left, then hibernate. Leaving you with a dead battery. Check the article: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931914 ,00.asp "On laptops, Sleep Mode works much the same way when you hit the power button or close the lid, except it doesn't take the time to double-save everything to a hard disk. Instead, it monitors battery life in the ultra-low-power Sleep Mode and, when the battery gets low, transfers the RAM contents to the hard disk." I forsee a TON of people calling about defective batts/laptops because it is dead everytime they try and turn it on.
Anyone else read some of the press release? Look at the kinds of buzz word/marketing speak they put in there:
"Innovative Technology Platform" "a Transactional Portal to Support the Entire Digital Services 'Ecosystem'" "an innovative service-oriented architecture" "automated service branding" "business federation" "high-value, high-impact digital services" "service grid network architecture" "suite of rich mobility services" "web-enabled desktop" (lots of non web enabled ones out there I guess) "easy-to-use mobile polling service" "dramatically enhances my ability to personally reach constituents." "effective tool in increasing the communication and collaboration" "The edge processor creates a secure environment for information access and control by off-loading information from lightweight mobile devices and performing the computational heavy lifting in a secure and stable environment. This added layer of processing power and security enables smart phones and other mobile devices to be the high-powered productivity tools that everyone wants." "Distributed EdgeClick edge processors communicate automatically with each other, forming a service grid network for flexible, secure, robust, deployment and management of software, servers, and other infrastructure assets. " "The EdgeClick edge processor will also be available soon for on-premise deployment by enterprise and third-party solution partners, thus enabling them to securely extend existing business application functionality to mobile devices such as smart phones and PDAs." "SCO owns the core UNIX operating system, originally developed by AT&T/Bell Labs and is the exclusive licensor to Unix-based system software providers. Headquartered in Lindon, Utah, SCO has a worldwide network of thousands of resellers and developers. SCO Global Services provides reliable localized support and services to partners and customers."
That last I threw in there for laughs.
My eyes are glazing over, I cant tell how many more there are in that single press release.
BTW, is it bad if I can understand most of this market speek?
Bonus for those who read this far, a market speak web economy phrase generator: http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html Some examples: productize frictionless deliverables incubate proactive action-items exploit best-of-breed convergence
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How is this physics story about gay ponies? (tags)
Why did you people tag this as Gay, Ponies? Is Apple now full of gay ponies? I mean I dont like apple much either, but I wouldn't go that far.
Nonsense, gmail came out on april 1st didn't it? Or the 1 gig announcement? Something about it. And I seem to recall /. had a story on it and no one belived it for a day or 3.
Ok, the shop takes about 30%, I'm sure the distributer takes another 20%-30%. The publisher takes some as well.
In the end, I'm pretty sure that the actual game developer/studio is lucky to see $5 out of that $50.
Just like the music industry, when you buy a music cd, the actual artist is lucky to even see $1 out of that $15.
Yeah when they redid all of them without ppl smiling. Or was that passports? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/06/passport_s canners/
Well you can always get a credit card with a lower limit. Just specify a $500 or $1000 limit.
Where are the links to the symantec study recently released? Or am I blind?
Uhm $5? haaahha no. Retailer takes like $35 out of a $50 box. Then publisher takes a chunk of the rest. The actual game development studio is lucky to even see $5 out per box sale. Which is why things like Steam have popped up, they make bank off of every online copy of hl2. Which is why vivendi/sierra sued them.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 BPBAPI/
less than $39 with free shipping and almost all places no tax.
Thats equivelent to $35 in a store with tax :)
Interesting that you should speak of indexing files. I'm looking for a file indexer right now, google doesn't do the kinda file/folder name search that I like, windows does, but is SO freaking slow, and turning on the indexing service to speed it up is something that apparently can use up to like 30% of your hdd space. I'm not about to give up that much hdd space for an occasional search.
I never said it would be easy, thats why I specificaly said the porting part has been done. Testing differant configs is a huge job. But at least we know that it works fine on a single intel compatible config, this bodes well for other configs, it is at least a starting point.
As well, saying MS grabs concepts from the mac OS, thats not a troll, its a fact. Last few vista articles I read go on about the search while you type feature (one of the few features MS hasn't canceled or pulled or rendered non vista exclusive), and many mention that that feature has been in the Mac OS for a long time now, whats it called again? Searchlight? Spotlight? Anyway something like it has been in the Mac OS for a while now.
Or what about the GUI idea of windows being basically an idea from the original mac OS x gui? I think the transparent window stuff in windows GUI was done in mac OS prior to windows as well.
I'll modify this slightly and say that from what I found on a random quick google search, MS originally liscensed some GUI stuff from apple for windows 1.0. So they "borrowed" that legitimatly and didn't "steal" it. Although they practically blackmailed apple (threatened to withdraw some early Mac apps at last minute unless MS got the liscense) to give them the liscense. And apparently from apple having vauge liscensing terms, apple hasn't had much chance of a success in sueing MS for grabbing lots of features since then.
And know this and I'm not even a mac fanatic. I dont own a mac, or any of its products, or an ipod. And I think apple is disgusting for the times its wildly exaggerated its hardware performance claims compared to a pentium. So I'm not in any stretch of the imagination a mac/apple supporter. But I would like to give the OS a try someday.
And the last part, ok fine, its based off of a derivitive of another software that was based on a derivitave of a flavor of unix. It still has had in its past open source roots to some degree.
No they didn't make thier own chip, but being as they were one of the largest purchasers, they had some influence into things like a potential features on the next generation, etc. I belive that they previously had much more control over the hardware and specs than they do now.
I didn't know the detailed history of nextstep. Interesting.
:)
But a lot of your comments are moot.
a) The OS X system runs on intel hardware, and an intel CPU. So its been tested and debugged already (at least to the extent of having the capabilities to run on the platform)
b) The OS has been out a while and is already really good and really polished. MS steals ideas from it all the time.
c) They no longer have quite as much control of the hardware, they are using off the shelf intel CPU's rather than thier own. I imagine its the same with the majority of their parts. They might have a lot of control over the selection of the parts, but the actual parts are not nearly as much under thier control and specifications anymore.
Sure it might be nessasary to do a lot more testing of various IBM PC compatible setups and configurations, but the porting part is done.
And yeah, this would be hard. And difficult and cost money. But the potential rewards are HUGE! And isn't MAC os X based on linux anyway? Haven't we been wanting linux to give windows a run for its money on the average desktop?
I agree with most of what you said except a)
I did mention in my original comment a cost of $500. That should cover most of the profit apple would make on a midrange system. And it would STILL be cheaper than a mac. Even if it drives off many people looking for really really cheap stuff, thats fine, it would still increase apple's market share very significantly.
I'm not saying that this is likely to happen. Only that it would be great, AND its a much more interesting quesiton than "would windows run on a mactel" which no mac fanatics I've ever asked care about.
What game(s) did you work on?
Take a look, they've done smashing so far: http://forums.galciv2.com/?AID=105470 They've sold out of thier first printing, and the orders for the next printing EXCEED the first. This is UNHEARD OF for a game to sell more as it gets older. 99.99% of time, games sell the most in the first couple weeks. BTW, I bought this game, its GREAT!
Meanwhile we have a sleeper hit called Galactic Civilizations 2
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www.galciv2.com
It has NO ZIP ZERO NONE copy protection at all. Instead, they give feature filled updates and patches that require a valid serial # to download.
Here's what the latest patch does (and this was done in just a week or two, unlike the just announced and badly needed to fix critical issues Battle for Middle Earth Patch that wont be ready for release for a month):
http://www.galciv2.com/Journals.aspx?AID=104660
Notice that while there's a good amount of bug fixes (lots of it stuff most people wouldn't even notice) there's also a lot of added features and game content.
Here's an example of what fans have done in ship design in the game, incredible stuff:
http://forums.galciv2.com/?AID=105823
They just sold through thier first printing run after a couple weeks after release. And the 2nd batch of orders EXCEEDS the initial order! This is frigging UNHEARD of. No game sells more copies weeks after release than the first weeks. (except maybe half life 1, and that was from the most popular online FPS in the world, a free mod incidentally, called Counter Strike). And this from a game with no copy protection.
THIS is the model that should be pursued by game companies, improve the game as an incentive to buy it. Actually multiplayer games that let you only play online with a valid serial is a good method in and of itself to encourage purchasing a legit copy of a game. I've never understood why they felt the need to add additional copy protection if the main game that people are interested in is multiplayer.
Or at least companies should adapt the alternative model below:
Epic games has a great model I wish companies would emulate. After a few months to a year, they will often release a patch which REMOVES all cd based copy protection (you still need a valid serial to play online). Its GREAT not to have to put in the Unreal Tournament 2004 (UT2k4) DVD anymore when I want to play the game. I just click and go! After all, most copy protection is only designed to just delay a crack from being released on the internet. If it can just be delayed for a couple weeks (or even a few days), they get over the biggest amount of sales and pre-orders, and all the people desperate to play will probably have bought it. Even the copy protection people admit that its practicaly inevitable that a game will get cracked, they just hope to delay it. And almost always, the pain, suffering, incompatability and annoyances are mostly felt by LEGITIMATE CONSUMERS who have a purchased game! The pirate will just go grab a crack somewhere and apply it and hes set.
Anyway this is just my 2 cents. And all the above without mentioning the thing that is called Starforce. I'd better not say anything about that or else I could get sued:
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/31/starforce_th
All the mac fanatics I've talked to dont frigging CARE about running windows on mac computers. They are into macs. They buy only mac stuff. They pay through the nose. They use software that runs on mac OS X, etc.
I dont understand why everyone is pushing the stories about running windows on macs.
No, the REAL interesting question is, will we ever be able to run the Mac OS on a normal windows machine?
Really, apple is now mostly a software company (excluding non computer areas like ipods, or things like the apple cinema displays), they are moving to intel hardware. Thier OS has always been exceptional, and MS has always copied features for it for windows.
Why not just give it up, admit the truth, and move to marketing the OS? Sell it so it can run on a normal windows machine! A TON of people (including me) would dual boot our windows machines with the Mac OS in a heartbeat. Then we wouldn't have to pay through the nose for the overhyped overpriced mac hardware (and apple practically lying about how fast thier CPU's are compared to pentiums). Instead we'd get the software, which is where its always been at. Even if they charged $500 per copy, it would still fly off the shelves, its still cheaper than a Mac computer.
Plus, then apple could grab a much larger percentage of the market. As more people dual booted and did more and more work in Mac OS, there would be more and more games and applications made compatible with the Mac OS. Especially now that the CPU is a normal intel one. Eventually people could just stick with the Mac OS and forget windows.
Anyway, thats my 2 cents. Forget about the boring question of a Mac running windows, think about an IBM PC compatible computer running Mac OS X!
Nope, RTFA. It MIGHT be added into the server version. But EFI support will NEVER be added for 32 bit CPU's under Vista.
Where would one find something like that? IRC channel for paper RPGs?
k, done
You know I mispelled that word on purpose right? Although my spelling is generally atrocious, I do know how to spell speak.
Read it yourself. They mention "Me, Inc" TM sure, but at at least one point they specifically say "Me"TM without the Inc part, thus implying they have trademarked the term "Me".
The article says that all vista desktops won't turn off anymore from the power button, but only standby (still runs RAM, CPU, etc). Watch the national power usage go up from that, not to mention increased issues with power loss when windows vista is running.
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But thats not the worst of it.
Laptops wont hibernate by default when you hit the power button, they will standby instead. Hit the power button on your laptop in the morning and you'd expect it would have juice for after lunch right? Nope, it will run down the battery and when its a couple percent left, then hibernate. Leaving you with a dead battery.
Check the article:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,193191
"On laptops, Sleep Mode works much the same way when you hit the power button or close the lid, except it doesn't take the time to double-save everything to a hard disk. Instead, it monitors battery life in the ultra-low-power Sleep Mode and, when the battery gets low, transfers the RAM contents to the hard disk."
I forsee a TON of people calling about defective batts/laptops because it is dead everytime they try and turn it on.
Unless you use one of the majority of phone companies that are now charging to receive text messages.
Anyone else read some of the press release? Look at the kinds of buzz word/marketing speak they put in there:
"Innovative Technology Platform"
"a Transactional Portal to Support the Entire Digital Services 'Ecosystem'"
"an innovative service-oriented architecture"
"automated service branding"
"business federation"
"high-value, high-impact digital services"
"service grid network architecture"
"suite of rich mobility services"
"web-enabled desktop" (lots of non web enabled ones out there I guess)
"easy-to-use mobile polling service"
"dramatically enhances my ability to personally reach constituents."
"effective tool in increasing the communication and collaboration"
"The edge processor creates a secure environment for information access and control by off-loading information from lightweight mobile devices and performing the computational heavy lifting in a secure and stable environment. This added layer of processing power and security enables smart phones and other mobile devices to be the high-powered productivity tools that everyone wants."
"Distributed EdgeClick edge processors communicate automatically with each other, forming a service grid network for flexible, secure, robust, deployment and management of software, servers, and other infrastructure assets. "
"The EdgeClick edge processor will also be available soon for on-premise deployment by enterprise and third-party solution partners, thus enabling them to securely extend existing business application functionality to mobile devices such as smart phones and PDAs."
"SCO owns the core UNIX operating system, originally developed by AT&T/Bell Labs and is the exclusive licensor to Unix-based system software providers.
Headquartered in Lindon, Utah, SCO has a worldwide network of thousands of resellers and developers. SCO Global Services provides reliable localized support and services to partners and customers."
That last I threw in there for laughs.
My eyes are glazing over, I cant tell how many more there are in that single press release.
BTW, is it bad if I can understand most of this market speek?
Bonus for those who read this far, a market speak web economy phrase generator:
http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html
Some examples:
productize frictionless deliverables
incubate proactive action-items
exploit best-of-breed convergence