I'm curious when this is all over just how many lawsuits will be filed against SCO. Considering the havok they have caused. Hell, the SEC will be hopefully checking into their practices and probably put a few VP's/Directors in jail.
Personally I'm interested in cash payouts. Show me the money:D
but what if they were legally trading music? There are musicians out there who want this. It get's their name out and interest in their cd's grows as a result.
That's what I originally intended to introduce into the thread:D
"First of all, Pate is fully within his rights to videotape movies off cable! It's called Fair Use!"
I totally agree. This was upheld by the US Supreme Court years ago and was in all the papers and new broadcasts. They said if you are not decrypting the broadcast (something like HBO for example) then it's yours to free copy as you want.
It's sad that people don't understand their rights.
How about a demonstration showing how SCO's stock price has benefitted from all these allegations? Showing in a complaint how they could be manipulating their stock price with unsubstatiated claims?
Not Threatened? Have you read SCO's latest news releases?
http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0721sco.html Specifically this part pissed me off
"SCO has found a way to give Linux users a legal way to run Linux," says Darl McBride, CEO of SCO. "This license allows both parties' needs to be met while protecting our Unix property."
Personally I'd say someone at SCO was on JavaDrugs:-)
I've just filed with the SEC using that link. It only took a few minutes to fill out their form plus I provided a number of links for them to view. For example the dates of the SCO press releases from the SCO site, Yahoo finance link with SCO's stock price over the last few months and so on.
Quite interesting. You see SCO stock in the dumps right until their first press release vs IBM. Couldn't be stock manipulation now could it?
No offense taken. My point simply was the RIAA isn't in control of this and has the attitude to crush everything and everyone.
I don't believe this service to be illegal. From looking at their web site and checking around It sounds like they are clean. Heck, I didn't even know about the rhapsody option avaialble. I knew iTunes was around though I'm told iTunes is for Apple users only (is this right?)
Rhapsody btw is a windows client. Oh well.. nobodies perfect;-)
I don't see this as a "more-secure ID system". What can be programmed can be reprogrammed.
Isn't that why DirectTV is suing everyone on the planet for owning one of those programming devices ? (read it here in an earlier article). Doesn't matter if you are ligit or not. Even if we can get to 80% secure would be a major improvement:-)
Personally I'm not for something like this. America didn't become great because the Government interfered like this. It became great because the Government took a back seat to "We the People..."
"The only way SCO can distribute Linux is under the GPL."
Ahh yes but would anybody use it after all this B.S.?
Whenever someone asks if I'm worried about a lawsuit I tell them not really. If SCO can demonstrate ANYTHING other than bullshit then I'll be happy to remove the code in question and continue using Linux. You know it will be just fine without their code. Hell... isn't this one of the reasons the source code is available? To get rid of stuff we don't want (or add it).
SCO can sue me all they want. They won't get a dime (nor lawyer fees). But if they want to send a cease and desist then I'll be happy to remove their code. Just tell me where:-)
"Stretch or not, Mercer admits that DirecTV has dismissed some cases after the defendant proved his or her innocence to the company's satisfaction."
Makes me feel good knowing that the USA has "innocent until proven guilty" as a legal motto. At least the last time I checked the laws you were innocent. Now all you have to do is purhcase equipment to create your own smart cards and you're a crook. Never mind that you are NOT a DirectTV customer.
Remember way back when Windows 3.1 was God (Microsoft likes you to believe it at least). Ever install the mouse drivers for 3.1? I found it amusing that you had restrictions on the use of the driver... like making a copy of it. What good is the software without a Microsoft mouse?
Hmmm... Yes.. MS-Office on Linux is faster when firing it up. Using the program isn't all that different in comparison (to me at least).
Oh and how do I get MS-Office on Linux working? Send $54 to the crossover office boys. There is much MUCH more in the magic hat than people realize. I've been using crossover office for about a year now. Very impressive software. I have v2.0 now and many of the little annoyances (besides running MS-Office) have disappeared.
If you are forced (like me) to run it then crossover office is for you.
Has anyone told Bill Gates that Linux isn't like OS/2? Personally I never liked OS/2 though I know many who would swear by it.
Apples and Oranges. Microsoft has great marketing skills but no idea what they are talking about. It shows in this interview with Bill. OS/2 was never this popular. Not only IBM but many other companies are using Linux. Hell, even Oracle has announced Linux is their primary development platform. OS/2 never had that from anyone.
How many OS/2 web servers have you guys been hitting lately btw? OS/2 database servers in use? Sure banks use OS/2.. how many banks out there compared to # of other businesses in the world?
See my issue with Bill's comments? Same ol' FUD. Life is good:D
Personally I"m heavily into filesharing and have purchased nearly every song that I listen to regularly.
Did I say nearly? Yes, in fact the other's I haven't purchased at this time I'm unsure whether I will purchase them or file them in my trash. P2P is a great way for me to find out whether I enjoy a piece of music from any given artist. This includes movies btw. Monsters Inc, Spiderman and now Daredevil. have been downloaded. I've purchased the first two and await the release of DareDevil on DVD.
I strongly disagree with RIAA and other's regarding P2P. They are clueless at best. Without P2P my purchasing wouldn't be a high as it is now. Before P2P I haven't purchased a CD in years and few movies. Nothing like biting the hand that feeds you eh?
Personally I purchased ATI cards years ago. The last time I purchased one was when the Rage Fury 128 was the hottest card around. Since then it's been 3DFX (yeah I know.. they don't exist anymore...) and Nvidia's. GeForce 4FX Rocks btw!!!
Since then I've purchased the tv wonter card for $39.00 for capture card ability under Linux. Works good too. Other than that I'd stay away from these guys. They don't care about Linux so I go elsewhere.
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Ahhh but then would he buy just any pack of gum?
:D
The way these guys work it would be a pack of Microsoft Gum. A flavorless version provided by wrigleys
I'm curious when this is all over just how many lawsuits will be filed against SCO. Considering the havok they have caused. Hell, the SEC will be hopefully checking into their practices and probably put a few VP's/Directors in jail.
:D
Personally I'm interested in cash payouts. Show me the money
but what if they were legally trading music? There are musicians out there who want this. It get's their name out and interest in their cd's grows as a result.
:D
That's what I originally intended to introduce into the thread
Support those bands/musicians.
I have a better idea.. rather than pick a day to NOT purchase their cd's I would suggest simply not purchasing their products at all.
I'm very VERY damn close to going this route and signing up for real one's service
"First of all, Pate is fully within his rights to videotape movies off cable! It's called Fair Use!"
I totally agree. This was upheld by the US Supreme Court years ago and was in all the papers and new broadcasts. They said if you are not decrypting the broadcast (something like HBO for example) then it's yours to free copy as you want.
It's sad that people don't understand their rights.
If SCO doens't get all that it wants from this foolishness then I say all Linux users sue SCO back to the stoneage and be done with them.
This is after all interfering with the development of a product by making unvalidated statements.
Not to mention you can forge the mac address also. It's easy and has been done for years.
"But, that's up to the courts to decide. Until such a point, their claims are as good as substantiated."
;-)
Guilty until proven innocent? Sounds like another country I used to know
How about a demonstration showing how SCO's stock price has benefitted from all these allegations? Showing in a complaint how they could be manipulating their stock price with unsubstatiated claims?
Not Threatened? Have you read SCO's latest news releases?
:-)
http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/0721sco.html
Specifically this part pissed me off
"SCO has found a way to give Linux users a legal way to run Linux," says Darl McBride, CEO of SCO. "This license allows both parties' needs to be met while protecting our Unix property."
Personally I'd say someone at SCO was on JavaDrugs
I've just filed with the SEC using that link. It only took a few minutes to fill out their form plus I provided a number of links for them to view. For example the dates of the SCO press releases from the SCO site, Yahoo finance link with SCO's stock price over the last few months and so on.
;-)
Quite interesting. You see SCO stock in the dumps right until their first press release vs IBM. Couldn't be stock manipulation now could it?
nah
No wonder Microsoft said they would foot the legal bill for anyone using their products. With security like this...
Shesh
Excellent!
I'll check it out. Especially because they have the linux client.
Thx
No offense taken. My point simply was the RIAA isn't in control of this and has the attitude to crush everything and everyone.
;-)
I don't believe this service to be illegal. From looking at their web site and checking around It sounds like they are clean. Heck, I didn't even know about the rhapsody option avaialble. I knew iTunes was around though I'm told iTunes is for Apple users only (is this right?)
Rhapsody btw is a windows client. Oh well.. nobodies perfect
I'm all for this. iTunes is an awesome service and seems to be growing in leaps.
I wonder however. How long before the RIAA get's wind of it and threatens to sue?
I'll let DirectTV know when I'm finished while I'm at it. Cheers
I don't see this as a "more-secure ID system". What can be programmed can be reprogrammed.
:-)
Isn't that why DirectTV is suing everyone on the planet for owning one of those programming devices ? (read it here in an earlier article). Doesn't matter if you are ligit or not. Even if we can get to 80% secure would be a major improvement
Personally I'm not for something like this. America didn't become great because the Government interfered like this. It became great because the Government took a back seat to "We the People..."
"The only way SCO can distribute Linux is under the GPL."
:-)
Ahh yes but would anybody use it after all this B.S.?
Whenever someone asks if I'm worried about a lawsuit I tell them not really. If SCO can demonstrate ANYTHING other than bullshit then I'll be happy to remove the code in question and continue using Linux. You know it will be just fine without their code. Hell... isn't this one of the reasons the source code is available? To get rid of stuff we don't want (or add it).
SCO can sue me all they want. They won't get a dime (nor lawyer fees). But if they want to send a cease and desist then I'll be happy to remove their code. Just tell me where
Personally I'm waiting for SCO to cough up the code in question and allow us to get rid of it.
We don't need no stinking SCO code in our kernel. Once it's replaced I don't think they can say much about it.
Probably why they have been so weird in their handling of all this. They don't want the code removed and want more customers so to speak.
Once we discover the code it's gone. And SCO can take a flying leap.
"Stretch or not, Mercer admits that DirecTV has dismissed some cases after the defendant proved his or her innocence to the company's satisfaction."
Makes me feel good knowing that the USA has "innocent until proven guilty" as a legal motto. At least the last time I checked the laws you were innocent. Now all you have to do is purhcase equipment to create your own smart cards and you're a crook. Never mind that you are NOT a DirectTV customer.
Remember way back when Windows 3.1 was God (Microsoft likes you to believe it at least). Ever install the mouse drivers for 3.1? I found it amusing that you had restrictions on the use of the driver... like making a copy of it. What good is the software without a Microsoft mouse?
Sometimes it's makes me wonder.
Hmmm... Yes.. MS-Office on Linux is faster when firing it up. Using the program isn't all that different in comparison (to me at least).
Oh and how do I get MS-Office on Linux working? Send $54 to the crossover office boys. There is much MUCH more in the magic hat than people realize. I've been using crossover office for about a year now. Very impressive software. I have v2.0 now and many of the little annoyances (besides running MS-Office) have disappeared.
If you are forced (like me) to run it then crossover office is for you.
Saying this you must also believe that McDonalds has the best food in the world. Over 13 bln sold :-)
Has anyone told Bill Gates that Linux isn't like OS/2? Personally I never liked OS/2 though I know many who would swear by it.
:D
Apples and Oranges. Microsoft has great marketing skills but no idea what they are talking about. It shows in this interview with Bill. OS/2 was never this popular. Not only IBM but many other companies are using Linux. Hell, even Oracle has announced Linux is their primary development platform. OS/2 never had that from anyone.
How many OS/2 web servers have you guys been hitting lately btw? OS/2 database servers in use? Sure banks use OS/2.. how many banks out there compared to # of other businesses in the world?
See my issue with Bill's comments? Same ol' FUD. Life is good
Personally I"m heavily into filesharing and have purchased nearly every song that I listen to regularly.
Did I say nearly? Yes, in fact the other's I haven't purchased at this time I'm unsure whether I will purchase them or file them in my trash. P2P is a great way for me to find out whether I enjoy a piece of music from any given artist. This includes movies btw. Monsters Inc, Spiderman and now Daredevil. have been downloaded. I've purchased the first two and await the release of DareDevil on DVD.
I strongly disagree with RIAA and other's regarding P2P. They are clueless at best. Without P2P my purchasing wouldn't be a high as it is now. Before P2P I haven't purchased a CD in years and few movies. Nothing like biting the hand that feeds you eh?
Personally I purchased ATI cards years ago. The last time I purchased one was when the Rage Fury 128 was the hottest card around. Since then it's been 3DFX (yeah I know.. they don't exist anymore...) and Nvidia's. GeForce 4FX Rocks btw!!!
Since then I've purchased the tv wonter card for $39.00 for capture card ability under Linux. Works good too. Other than that I'd stay away from these guys. They don't care about Linux so I go elsewhere.