Very amusing link. I've dutifully passed it throughout the office:-)
FYI... What I find amusing is the links to SCO's new releases. The supposively thousands of lines of code stolen. Yeah right. They even claimed code written by Allen Cox written for MP support. Boy was he surprised. Probably thought these retards will steal anything.
Not to mention what if they were hacked and 10,000 tickets sent out in a day (or more) to innocent drivers?
Or how about this. I received a letter recently in the mail from the city about an illegal parking violation during memorial day. Somehow they thought we were illegally parking our vehicle in downtown at 1:36a.m. Memorial day this year. What I found amusing was that I was at a party nearly 40 miles away surrounded by about a dozen friends and some family. How do you fight something like this I said? Total B.S.
After some information gathering I was surprised to learn from the clerk that they rarely have people contest stuff like this. I said what do I have to lose. I wasn't there and they didn't deserve my cash. Eventually they simply dropped it when they realized I wasn't going away.
What I find sad is there's some cop running around drinking not enough coffee late at night. Either that or they haven't checked with their eye doctor for some time:-)
Interesting idea. Forgive me for saying so but I wonder if other companies (Microsoft) would consider doing something like this in the future. After all... if we take over 20% of the desktop market by 2008 (as predicted by Siemens Corp) then what is to stop them (Microsoft) from suing people for use of Windows?
They would need some way to pump up their stock price. We could even call is "The SCO Strategy".
"However, SCO's public relations (PR) department has had a busy few months. McBride proudly dumped two phone-book-sized binders of press clippings on the stage during his SCO Forum keynote on Monday as proof that his company had become more relevant in the high technology industry. SCO has issued 46 press releases since filing suit against IBM on March 7. Last year it issued only 29 press releases between March and August."
More relevant in the high tech industry? Just by spouting trash all this time will make you more relevant? I guess writing good code and marketing it properly wasn't part of the business plan after all. Sad.
"McBride also pointed to the involvement in the dispute of the Free Software Foundation, whose legal counsel, Eben Moglen, has issued a position paper critical of SCO, and Linus Torvalds, who has been increasingly vocal in his criticism of the Unix company. "You've got all of these guys and it looks like the whole world is coming against SCO. It's really IBM that has wired in all of these relationships," he said. "That's why it looks like they're sitting back and not doing anything. It's us fighting a whole bunch of people that they put on the stage."
What's amusing here is that SCO doesn't realize that it really IS the whole community going after them and they REALLY HAVE pissed off everyone on the planet. WTF did they think would happen? We would simply bend over and pay up like good little lemmings?
Speaking of which... I still haven't received any payments from SCO for the use of my code in UnixWare. I'm pretty sure it's there. Honest;-)
I'm waiting for my letter from SCO. I'll be asking for proof that I infringed their code or that I signed some contract with them and broke my agreement.
Bring it on SCO. This lunacy is about to end and I'm ready to retire.
Unfortunately he hasn't been around the last few years. Otherwise he would have mentioned that Clinton and sons were bombing Iraq many years after Bush Sr. left office.
We all know he wouldn't hide something that important from fellow slashdotters now would he;-)
What's sad is the company has now hurt themselves terribly by dealing with him as they have. Sure he may have done some rather stupid things but think about it. They are now slashdotted. They're screwed;-)
" I can confirm that Bret McDanel is no hero. He's actually quite an asshole. "
This may be true however the article mentioned it was 5,600 email's not 14,000. It also mentioned that it was a vulnerability he make public that he was convicted of.
You might be right. You might be authentic. The article however says otherwise:-)
Maybe I'm the only one who has noticed this but the law also says the following:
"Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following:
#To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords; #To prepare derivative works based upon the work; #To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending; "
So doesn't this validate GPL? If Linus has Linux copyrighted then the GPL is valid as he has the exclusive right to authorize others to reproduce and make copies of the software.
Personally I don't really care what SCO has to say. If they had proven their claims it would be one thing. They claim a lawyer has declared GPL invalid and give a name of the poor sap. Since when has SCO done anything resembling a legal procedure (other than filing in court).
I hope they make enough money on this. When it's all over nobody will trust them to flip burgers.
"Also, aren't the NUMA and RCU multi-processor patents owned by IBM? SCO might own some of the code, but since they are licensing IBM's patents IBM could sue them for infringing on their patents. Is this part of the current IBM v SCO lawsuit?"
It was my understanding they were not suing for use of those products though they probably should. What I find interesting is SCO terminates the license violating their agreement with Novell. I wonder if they can be sued by Novell for violating the contract. Exactly what SCO 'claims' IBM did.
SCO claims IBM can't be trusted because they violated a contract and now SCO goes out of their way to violate another contract. Sounds like an internal problem with the company. I strongly suggest they see a shrink. These guys can't see straight anymore.
"The CFO's sales are still within the reasonable realm... around 7%, at a time when the stock increased vastly in price. First, it makes sense to rebalance your portfolio whenever something like this happens. Second, you come across a windfall like that and tell me you wouldn't sell off some small percentage for spending money. Even if you expected it to go up further."
Yes very true. I've done this many times myself however manipulating your companies stock to benefit your shareholders (and yourself) with wild and unsubstantiated claims AND selling at a profit could be construed as illegal.
Looking forward to their filing. I'd love to see how things are going after all the bluster. I'm sure the SEC is also interested:-)
What's really amusing is that people are not taking SCO seriously which is good. SCO has done nothing that a 'normal' company would be doing. The 'non-programmer analysis' link had this to say at the end of the article.
"People are adopting Linux more and more," Petreley said. "They're switching from Windows to Linux faster. You'd expect that to have slowed down a little bit if it were to be affected by the SCO lawsuit, and the numbers just don't show that kind of slowdown."
Like I said... quite amusing. Just like when Microsoft attacked Linux back when. They didn't realize how fast they were pushing people to it. Now SCO is doing the same thing. Keep up the good work SCO!!! You'll be out of business in no time now. Thanks goodness I say.
Oh and I doubt the GPL would be too weak to stand up in court. IANAL however I don't believe it's any weaker than any other EULA currently forced upon users today. I would be surprised to see it go poorly.
"SCO has shipped these products for many years, in some cases for nearly two decades, and this is the first time that IBM has ever raised an issue about patent infringement in these products."
I read this and nearly spilled my drink all over myself. The same argument many here have made is being used by SCO? I mean think about it. They sell Linux for years making code available and DON'T make an issue over infringement and now they complain over some vapor infringment?
Amazing. Just when I thought people couldn't be any worse. SCO doesn't have employee's, they have only lawyers. Maybe they should hiring a few monkeys and improve their employee gene pool.
Wake me when SCO does something worthy of attention. So far I'm waiting to be impressed.
Actually from the SEC's site I've noticed they have been dumping for some time. Yahoo's finance also will display their sales over the last few months.
btw, check this out. IBM FINALLY decided to sue SCO
Hmmm... not a bad idea actually. I know how to short a stock. Done it before. I think I'll look into it. I doubt their stock will go much higher in the short term (maybe topping around $15 is my guess).
Actually SCO's stock has been steadily going up not to mention their volume has sharply increased.
Look at their chart Shows a definite increase since they started talking trash in March. I've already complained to the SEC regarding their pump and dump tactics. I only wish I owned their stock so I could join a stock holders lawsuit against them.
Oh and btw, I'm offering to any SCO VP, Director and board member a license for a mere $2250 per license. What's it for? You must sign my NDA to find out.
Sorry but the offer only available to SCO employees.
"I thought it was best to telephone you and speak in person to see if we could resolve the issues between our companies short of litigation."
Oh and here is something amusing.
" I am disappointed that you were not more forthcoming about your intentions. I am also disappointed that you have chosen litigation rather than good faith discussions with SCO about the problems inherent in Linux."
Not more forthcoming? Isn't this SCO's entire business strategy for 2003-2004?
"Of course, we will prepare our legal response as required by your complaint. Be advised that our response will likely include counterclaims for copyright infringement and conspiracy."
Conspiracy? Is this guy off his medication again? Ye Gods! I believe this guy is gunning for the idiot of the year award. Before year end he will be more popular than my favorite idiot. The Iraqi Information Minister:D
Wasn't Microsoft going for Orange Book certification? If so then isn't one of the Orange Book requirements removing the network card? How useful is that?
Novell several years ago obtained Red Book certification for Netware 4.x which allows a network card to be part of the system. Much more useful IMO.
The article didn't mention Red Book but I'll bet that's what Linux has received. Nice:-)
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Very amusing link. I've dutifully passed it throughout the office :-)
FYI... What I find amusing is the links to SCO's new releases. The supposively thousands of lines of code stolen. Yeah right. They even claimed code written by Allen Cox written for MP support. Boy was he surprised. Probably thought these retards will steal anything.
Not to mention what if they were hacked and 10,000 tickets sent out in a day (or more) to innocent drivers?
:-)
Or how about this. I received a letter recently in the mail from the city about an illegal parking violation during memorial day. Somehow they thought we were illegally parking our vehicle in downtown at 1:36a.m. Memorial day this year. What I found amusing was that I was at a party nearly 40 miles away surrounded by about a dozen friends and some family. How do you fight something like this I said? Total B.S.
After some information gathering I was surprised to learn from the clerk that they rarely have people contest stuff like this. I said what do I have to lose. I wasn't there and they didn't deserve my cash. Eventually they simply dropped it when they realized I wasn't going away.
What I find sad is there's some cop running around drinking not enough coffee late at night. Either that or they haven't checked with their eye doctor for some time
Interesting idea. Forgive me for saying so but I wonder if other companies (Microsoft) would consider doing something like this in the future. After all... if we take over 20% of the desktop market by 2008 (as predicted by Siemens Corp) then what is to stop them (Microsoft) from suing people for use of Windows?
They would need some way to pump up their stock price. We could even call is "The SCO Strategy".
"However, SCO's public relations (PR) department has had a busy few months. McBride proudly dumped two phone-book-sized binders of press clippings on the stage during his SCO Forum keynote on Monday as proof that his company had become more relevant in the high technology industry. SCO has issued 46 press releases since filing suit against IBM on March 7. Last year it issued only 29 press releases between March and August."
;-)
More relevant in the high tech industry? Just by spouting trash all this time will make you more relevant? I guess writing good code and marketing it properly wasn't part of the business plan after all. Sad.
"McBride also pointed to the involvement in the dispute of the Free Software Foundation, whose legal counsel, Eben Moglen, has issued a position paper critical of SCO, and Linus Torvalds, who has been increasingly vocal in his criticism of the Unix company. "You've got all of these guys and it looks like the whole world is coming against SCO. It's really IBM that has wired in all of these relationships," he said. "That's why it looks like they're sitting back and not doing anything. It's us fighting a whole bunch of people that they put on the stage."
What's amusing here is that SCO doesn't realize that it really IS the whole community going after them and they REALLY HAVE pissed off everyone on the planet. WTF did they think would happen? We would simply bend over and pay up like good little lemmings?
Speaking of which... I still haven't received any payments from SCO for the use of my code in UnixWare. I'm pretty sure it's there. Honest
RedHat has already done this. I understood they have setup a million dollar fund for just this.
I'm waiting for my letter from SCO. I'll be asking for proof that I infringed their code or that I signed some contract with them and broke my agreement.
Bring it on SCO. This lunacy is about to end and I'm ready to retire.
I have NO proof the man was there.
::grinz::
The media lies all the time. Probably why I read slashdot (hey wait a second...)
Figure it out. Slashdot messages are informative/insightful/funny but they amount to bathroom scrall when it comes to facts I can't confirm.
Personally I don't care. If they guy was an ass then he was properly rewarded with the conviction.
Unfortunately he hasn't been around the last few years. Otherwise he would have mentioned that Clinton and sons were bombing Iraq many years after Bush Sr. left office.
;-)
We all know he wouldn't hide something that important from fellow slashdotters now would he
"How could the IBM engineers miss it. "
Easy. They hired Caldera/SCO engineers to write the code.
What's sad is the company has now hurt themselves terribly by dealing with him as they have. Sure he may have done some rather stupid things but think about it. They are now slashdotted. They're screwed ;-)
" I can confirm that Bret McDanel is no hero. He's actually quite an asshole. "
:-)
This may be true however the article mentioned it was 5,600 email's not 14,000. It also mentioned that it was a vulnerability he make public that he was convicted of.
You might be right. You might be authentic. The article however says otherwise
Maybe I'm the only one who has noticed this but the law also says the following:
"Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following:
#To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;
#To prepare derivative works based upon the work;
#To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
"
So doesn't this validate GPL? If Linus has Linux copyrighted then the GPL is valid as he has the exclusive right to authorize others to reproduce and make copies of the software.
Personally I don't really care what SCO has to say. If they had proven their claims it would be one thing. They claim a lawyer has declared GPL invalid and give a name of the poor sap. Since when has SCO done anything resembling a legal procedure (other than filing in court).
I hope they make enough money on this. When it's all over nobody will trust them to flip burgers.
You're not the only one revoking stuff around here. Looks like others are removing SCO support from their products. Here's an example
;D
http://www.xvid.org/
Ok so they might be kidding. I doubt it was there in the first place
"Also, aren't the NUMA and RCU multi-processor patents owned by IBM? SCO might own some of the code, but since they are licensing IBM's patents IBM could sue them for infringing on their patents. Is this part of the current IBM v SCO lawsuit?"
It was my understanding they were not suing for use of those products though they probably should. What I find interesting is SCO terminates the license violating their agreement with Novell. I wonder if they can be sued by Novell for violating the contract. Exactly what SCO 'claims' IBM did.
SCO claims IBM can't be trusted because they violated a contract and now SCO goes out of their way to violate another contract. Sounds like an internal problem with the company. I strongly suggest they see a shrink. These guys can't see straight anymore.
"The CFO's sales are still within the reasonable realm... around 7%, at a time when the stock increased vastly in price. First, it makes sense to rebalance your portfolio whenever something like this happens. Second, you come across a windfall like that and tell me you wouldn't sell off some small percentage for spending money. Even if you expected it to go up further."
:-)
Yes very true. I've done this many times myself however manipulating your companies stock to benefit your shareholders (and yourself) with wild and unsubstantiated claims AND selling at a profit could be construed as illegal.
Looking forward to their filing. I'd love to see how things are going after all the bluster. I'm sure the SEC is also interested
What's really amusing is that people are not taking SCO seriously which is good. SCO has done nothing that a 'normal' company would be doing. The 'non-programmer analysis' link had this to say at the end of the article.
"People are adopting Linux more and more," Petreley said. "They're switching from Windows to Linux faster. You'd expect that to have slowed down a little bit if it were to be affected by the SCO lawsuit, and the numbers just don't show that kind of slowdown."
Like I said... quite amusing. Just like when Microsoft attacked Linux back when. They didn't realize how fast they were pushing people to it. Now SCO is doing the same thing. Keep up the good work SCO!!! You'll be out of business in no time now. Thanks goodness I say.
Oh and I doubt the GPL would be too weak to stand up in court. IANAL however I don't believe it's any weaker than any other EULA currently forced upon users today. I would be surprised to see it go poorly.
"SCO has shipped these products for many years, in some cases for nearly two decades, and this is the first time that IBM has ever raised an issue about patent infringement in these products."
I read this and nearly spilled my drink all over myself. The same argument many here have made is being used by SCO? I mean think about it. They sell Linux for years making code available and DON'T make an issue over infringement and now they complain over some vapor infringment?
Amazing. Just when I thought people couldn't be any worse. SCO doesn't have employee's, they have only lawyers. Maybe they should hiring a few monkeys and improve their employee gene pool.
Wake me when SCO does something worthy of attention. So far I'm waiting to be impressed.
Ahh.. now I see where Microsoft obtained it's idea for this mouse.
Go figure.. Someone else invents it and Microsoft says it's our idea/product/innovation/whatever.
"They'll probably be dumping within a month."
Actually from the SEC's site I've noticed they have been dumping for some time. Yahoo's finance also will display their sales over the last few months.
btw, check this out. IBM FINALLY decided to sue SCO
About time I say
Wrong movie bud :-)
:-)
Watch the animatrix for more information on how it all started
Hmmm... not a bad idea actually. I know how to short a stock. Done it before. I think I'll look into it. I doubt their stock will go much higher in the short term (maybe topping around $15 is my guess).
:D
Let the shorting beging
Actually SCO's stock has been steadily going up not to mention their volume has sharply increased.
Look at their chart Shows a definite increase since they started talking trash in March. I've already complained to the SEC regarding their pump and dump tactics. I only wish I owned their stock so I could join a stock holders lawsuit against them.
Oh and btw, I'm offering to any SCO VP, Director and board member a license for a mere $2250 per license. What's it for? You must sign my NDA to find out.
Sorry but the offer only available to SCO employees.
Problem is he DOESN'T want to go to court.
:D
"I thought it was best to telephone you and speak in person to see if we could resolve the issues between our companies short of litigation."
Oh and here is something amusing.
" I am disappointed that you were not more forthcoming about your intentions. I am also disappointed that you have chosen litigation rather than good faith discussions with SCO about the problems inherent in Linux."
Not more forthcoming? Isn't this SCO's entire business strategy for 2003-2004?
"Of course, we will prepare our legal response as required by your complaint. Be advised that our response will likely include counterclaims for copyright infringement and conspiracy."
Conspiracy? Is this guy off his medication again? Ye Gods! I believe this guy is gunning for the idiot of the year award. Before year end he will be more popular than my favorite idiot. The Iraqi Information Minister
Wasn't Microsoft going for Orange Book certification? If so then isn't one of the Orange Book requirements removing the network card? How useful is that?
:-)
Novell several years ago obtained Red Book certification for Netware 4.x which allows a network card to be part of the system. Much more useful IMO.
The article didn't mention Red Book but I'll bet that's what Linux has received. Nice
I have some pelt skins and beads? Perhaps I can help paying the lawyers in those items?
:D
Never know when a lawyer might need a good set of beads