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Wow, do you see the irony there?
No.
Someone complains that "You get what you pay for" and then pirates commercial software?
Yeah, they view MSOffice as obviously better because MS charges for it. "People give stuff away for free because it's worthless." My family doesn't understand RMS at all. Would you accept food some hairy unshaven smelly bum in an alley handed you, or would you be more likely to eat the same food from a nice-looking man with a restaurant and glossy menus? We've been exposed, so we're not afraid, but everybody else wonders what the "catch" is.
I have no sympathy, nor respect, for people who pirate software.
They don't want your sympathy or respect. They just want software that works. If OpenOffice is going to win, it has to be better TECHNICALLY, not just "freer", because freedom has been made irrelevant by unhampered piracy. ALL software is effectively free to these people, so they only download the best. Spen an hour to download OpenOffice, which is slow, or MSOffice, which is fast and a standard... hmmmm....
You mention that person's complaint like it's someone whose opinion should be taken seriously. Someone who is going to pirate software isn't mature enough to get the difference between free as in "Free Beer" and free is in "Free speech."
They're more mature than we are, spending our lives worrying and arguing about crap we have no possibility *whatsoever* of changing, no matter HOW good our Slashdot posts are or how much karma we have. Maturity has nothing to do with piracy except here on Slashdot, where programmers seek to push their self-protecting ethics on the rest of the world. The same guys who righteously won't pirate software have kick-ass collections of VHS tapes of Star Trek and Babylon5 lying around, philosophy and physics papers photocopied for classes, love porn (which my friends would think is immature), and often "stretch the truth" on their taxes.
The REST of the world pirates software and doesn't feel guilty - my friends are no exception. They don't care. They don't know what GuhNoo is, they don't care. They just want software that works, and they don't care whether they pay for it or not. They don't care where they get it or who made it. They'd PREFER not to break the law to get it (but only because they don't like getting fined) but if MSWord beats OpenOffice, fine. They download it, because they don't think about licensing, they don't care about licensing.
These are the people we're trying to "save". Everyone who comes to Gnu/Linux started out using proprietary software.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
If you want start up speeds comparable to Office and to Corel's office suite, then you have to do the exact same thing both of those suites do to speed up their loading -- preload the application. Just because Microsoft has made it non-obvious that they preload the app doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Internet Explorer starts up quickly for the same reason. Once I configured Mozilla to preload under Win2k, it started up exactly as rapidly as IE6.
Yeah, they have no problem with Mozilla AT ALL. Neither do I. But I have used both MSOffice and OpenOffice WITH PRELOADING FOR MSOFFICE TURNED OFF, and it is still very much snappier in every way than the massively bloated OpenOffice. Not that I'm not thankful for OpenOffice, but it's more feature-laden and bloated than emacs, which is basically its own operating system.
By way of comparison, someone who will pirate commercial software because what is freely available doesn't immediately meet their approval, well, is sort of like someone who doesn't like the food they are being given freely, so instead they go rob a store to get different food. Is that someone whose opinion you worry about? IMO, no.
Cool, enjoy your zero percent marketshare and your slide into obscurity. I was trying to give constructive criticism that would lead to wider adoption. My bad. I've learned my lesson, the bazaar is closed.
The horrible startup speed is by far OpenOffice.org's greatest weakness. *In comparison* to either MSOffice or Corel WordPerfect Suite 7 or 8 on Windows it is abysmal.
Please note: I put "in comparison" in asterisks because the trolls think people should "get faster computers, fool". My friend was given OO.O recently and was immediately disgusted by the startup speed compared to MSOffice. "You get what you pay for", she said. NOT a good showing for open-source software. The price is irrelevant, because they promptly pirated MSOffice97 and were happy.
I like to just sit back, have an espresso, and let everything around me fall into chaos. Life is good; the flashing warning lights keep me company through the long night.
My world is falling apart, this teeny little site isn't going down! The full wrath of Slashdot, and it withstands our onslaught with impunity!
WHY. WON'T. YOU. GO. DOWN?
Dammit, Slashdot isn't like it used to be. We used to be feared. We used to be somebody. We were like the Mongol Hordes swarming like a plague over the net, destroying all who were in our path.
Now we can't even take down an unemployed guy's resume site and blog. (*sighs dejectedly*)
Although the shouting in the title definitely makes it LOOK like a troll...
Guys, I got a problem. This isn't related to this topic exclusively, but for ALL Gnu articles here... Okay, here it is. The icon for "Gnu is not Unix" here at Slashdot doesn't really look like a Gnu at all. It looks like a giant penis carrying a security blanket. Really. Take a close look at it. Are those two big red balls supposed to be feet? What does that logo MEAN?
We need to change that logo to something that doesn't have hidden meanings. I suggest the typical Gnu head (no pun intended) that RMS uses on his website.
Don't get me wrong; I *LIKE* BeOS. But are there any comparable apps out there? I've been running BeOS plain-vanilla with the hidden MacOS9 theme running. I forget how I got it, hold ctrl-alt-shift down while clicking on the Be Menu, a new thing called window decorations or something pops up, something like that. I forget the exact keys to hold down.
Dear mods, I don't think that's really a troll; BeOS is *great* in many areas, but it really DOES lack in the GUI department. Look at OSX, KDE with Karamba, even XP with Samurize and WindowBlinds, then look at BeOS. They may have full theming, antialiased fonts, transparency, and cool widgets in this new YellowTab, but I don't see 'em.
BeOS is "good enough" for most users if appearance isn't important to you, but for MacHeads (the guy with OS8/9 flashbacks above), it doesn't cut it. OS X has spoiled them rotten. It would be like going back to dialup after having a T1 line. Can't do it no matter how hard they try.
Yeah, but the best thing is that when I pull the harddrive from one PC with BeOS installed, I plunk it in another PC with totally different hardware and "it just works", to steal an advertising propaganda phrase. BeOS is very Mac-like (OS9, anyway) in that there's no worries, no configuration, it just goes right out of the box. And it's F A S T.
Which reminds me, I've started my own contest with the white noise from my tv set after closing time. Anyone who can guess what channel I was watching wins.. uh.. uh.. something really good.
Yes, I have written them. I'm still hopeful they can wean themselves (and their users) off their dependency on.mp3's, which can't compete with the price or performance of.ogg, IMHO. It would be good for Apple to grab hold of that efficiency and pass some of the savings on to their iPod customers. Plus they'd gain cool points with geeks, and have another "innovative" notch in their belt they can brag about.
Same situation with AAC, but that's got DRM, which Apple needs right now to get their audio stuff past the evil RIAA.
I like the quality of Sorensen, but it would be nice if Apple would put that licensing money into development of Ogg Tarkin, the license and patent free video codec... the same money they spend to "rent" Sorensen could be used to "buy" them a permanent solution, Tarkin... the money would be used for greater good funding open source, but then Apple would lose control - I hear the Apple / Sorensen deal is exclusive, but I'm too lazy to google it to see if it's true right now.
Yeah, but Apple still encourages the use of the closed Sorensen codec, which adds nothing to the end-user experience except locking us in to one operating system and player. And why doesn't iTunes and the iPod naturally support open formats like.ogg? They'd save money licensing.mp3, and they ARE the guys who're supposed to be innovating....
I like the baby steps towards openness they've taken, but they're still more like Microsoft than they are like Debian in attitude.
The box, but my wife knows I will use any weasely excuse to buy a G5 (or similar bloated extravagant monster computer), so she'll probably have a heart attack when she sees the bill.
You're welcome. I purposefully DoSed it in order to protect you. It was obviously designed by the Goatse guy - colorwise, anyway. Hmmm... I wonder if Slashdot should charge for Slashdotting badly designed websites, or should it be a public service.
My wife has an old Win98 Internet box at home that suicided just last night (first time ever for that box, oh miracle of miracles). Windows was *completely* smoked. Fried. I've got the steaming hard drive with me right now, because I was hoping to find the old BeOSFree around on the net tonight and put that on for her. This is one better!
Now I must publicly proclaim that there is a God, he loves me, and furthermore, doesn't want me to run Windows - as we all suspected! Praise the Lord! It's a sign!
Now if only I'd listened to Him when he told me to sell Nortel in early 2000...:-(
Bah. I always read ANOTHER person's horoscope first, and find that it fits me perfectly as well. Then I read my own, and find it's no better than random.
Only RMS truly knows the future, not some dumb horoscope.
Bah. Karma is for kids. If I cared about my Karma I wouldn't be posting in the "apple.zealot.slashdot" section. "Mods on crack" is not a new phenomenon, or even an Apple-based phenomenon. But only the uber-protective Mac mods will mod a person down for pointing out the obvious truth that is being concealed - that is, that the Apple Community here is extremely biased and will lie repeatedly in order to make Apple look better than it actually is. They attack any benchmark that isn't in their favor. They accept and boast about the ones that are. They quote Steve Jobs like he was the second coming, and not a slimy snake oil salesman who acts more like Hitler than Gates does and has the highest profit margins (which comes out of the customer's pockets, duh) in the business. They think history is malleable and open to interpretation.
In short, the one thing I hate about Apple is the overzealous community. Funny that I think that - Steve Jobs has said the same thing. The Zealots aren't helping Apple, they're hurting them, but the zealots are too stupid to realize it.
I'm amazed that mods who are supposed to be unbiased prove themselves to be absolutely biased and unthinking without regret or guilt. I can't respect any of them. For example, here they are trying to make the world forget about the TiBook Paint Chipping EPIDEMIC, but I have a flaky PB right here to prove it actually happened. Apple was ABSOLUTELY NO HELP, and I was unwilling to put up a pissed-off website and make it a slanderous cause in order to get my money, as DJEdWhite did successfully (after a year or two of complaining). Nice bit of Revisionist History here, better than "the Holocaust never happened", much more widespread, but just as false. I hear that a 500 Mhz G3 is faster than Intel's 3 Ghz chips too. Interesting deception, but as Hitler said, "The bigger the lie, the more likely the Slashdotters are to believe it". Microsoft's Bill Gates has claimed many times that they make "really great software!", and when someone here calls him on it, the mods don't question the facts and figures. Evidence is evidence, and it's in everyone's best interests to get it out there. But when someone points out flaws in Apple, supported by valid links, their speech is suppressed by a harsh and immediate downmodding. This is a great weakness of the Apple Community, and fanatical zealots in general.
BTW, I *AM* a Mac guy, DESPITE, not BECAUSE OF, the dickheads around here who act like mindless worshipful paid shills more than MS' paid shills ever did. I actually USE a Mac, which is more than most of these zealots can say, so I know that MOST of the Propaganda you see on here is not "exactly" true. At best, it's true in one sense or another, but rarely do zealots lay the facts out honestly.
Oh my god, that means my grandfather's a spammer! He's lived in Finnland for years, they must'a sent him there when he was just young!
Which reminds me of a joke from LaughLab...
The New Zealander wants to get into Australia, and at the border, the guard asks him, "Do you have a criminal record?". The New Zealander replies, "Why, do you still need one to get in?"
Slashdot Mirror
(troll)
Ribbed, for her pleasure.
(/troll)
Wow, do you see the irony there?
No.
Someone complains that "You get what you pay for" and then pirates commercial software?
Yeah, they view MSOffice as obviously better because MS charges for it. "People give stuff away for free because it's worthless." My family doesn't understand RMS at all. Would you accept food some hairy unshaven smelly bum in an alley handed you, or would you be more likely to eat the same food from a nice-looking man with a restaurant and glossy menus? We've been exposed, so we're not afraid, but everybody else wonders what the "catch" is.
I have no sympathy, nor respect, for people who pirate software.
They don't want your sympathy or respect. They just want software that works. If OpenOffice is going to win, it has to be better TECHNICALLY, not just "freer", because freedom has been made irrelevant by unhampered piracy. ALL software is effectively free to these people, so they only download the best. Spen an hour to download OpenOffice, which is slow, or MSOffice, which is fast and a standard... hmmmm....
You mention that person's complaint like it's someone whose opinion should be taken seriously. Someone who is going to pirate software isn't mature enough to get the difference between free as in "Free Beer" and free is in "Free speech."
They're more mature than we are, spending our lives worrying and arguing about crap we have no possibility *whatsoever* of changing, no matter HOW good our Slashdot posts are or how much karma we have. Maturity has nothing to do with piracy except here on Slashdot, where programmers seek to push their self-protecting ethics on the rest of the world. The same guys who righteously won't pirate software have kick-ass collections of VHS tapes of Star Trek and Babylon5 lying around, philosophy and physics papers photocopied for classes, love porn (which my friends would think is immature), and often "stretch the truth" on their taxes.
The REST of the world pirates software and doesn't feel guilty - my friends are no exception. They don't care. They don't know what GuhNoo is, they don't care. They just want software that works, and they don't care whether they pay for it or not. They don't care where they get it or who made it. They'd PREFER not to break the law to get it (but only because they don't like getting fined) but if MSWord beats OpenOffice, fine. They download it, because they don't think about licensing, they don't care about licensing.
These are the people we're trying to "save". Everyone who comes to Gnu/Linux started out using proprietary software.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
If you want start up speeds comparable to Office and to Corel's office suite, then you have to do the exact same thing both of those suites do to speed up their loading -- preload the application. Just because Microsoft has made it non-obvious that they preload the app doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Internet Explorer starts up quickly for the same reason. Once I configured Mozilla to preload under Win2k, it started up exactly as rapidly as IE6.
Yeah, they have no problem with Mozilla AT ALL. Neither do I. But I have used both MSOffice and OpenOffice WITH PRELOADING FOR MSOFFICE TURNED OFF, and it is still very much snappier in every way than the massively bloated OpenOffice. Not that I'm not thankful for OpenOffice, but it's more feature-laden and bloated than emacs, which is basically its own operating system.
By way of comparison, someone who will pirate commercial software because what is freely available doesn't immediately meet their approval, well, is sort of like someone who doesn't like the food they are being given freely, so instead they go rob a store to get different food. Is that someone whose opinion you worry about? IMO, no.
Cool, enjoy your zero percent marketshare and your slide into obscurity. I was trying to give constructive criticism that would lead to wider adoption. My bad. I've learned my lesson, the bazaar is closed.
The horrible startup speed is by far OpenOffice.org's greatest weakness. *In comparison* to either MSOffice or Corel WordPerfect Suite 7 or 8 on Windows it is abysmal.
Please note: I put "in comparison" in asterisks because the trolls think people should "get faster computers, fool". My friend was given OO.O recently and was immediately disgusted by the startup speed compared to MSOffice. "You get what you pay for", she said. NOT a good showing for open-source software. The price is irrelevant, because they promptly pirated MSOffice97 and were happy.
Yeah, me too. Ignorance is bliss.
I like to just sit back, have an espresso, and let everything around me fall into chaos. Life is good; the flashing warning lights keep me company through the long night.
My world is falling apart, this teeny little site isn't going down! The full wrath of Slashdot, and it withstands our onslaught with impunity!
c k- reload-reload-click-clickity-click-reload- reload-click
WHY. WON'T. YOU. GO. DOWN?
Dammit, Slashdot isn't like it used to be. We used to be feared. We used to be somebody. We were like the Mongol Hordes swarming like a plague over the net, destroying all who were in our path.
Now we can't even take down an unemployed guy's resume site and blog. (*sighs dejectedly*)
clickity-click-reload-reload-click-clickity-cli
Awwwww, C'MON! This isn't FAIR!
Although the shouting in the title definitely makes it LOOK like a troll...
Guys, I got a problem. This isn't related to this topic exclusively, but for ALL Gnu articles here... Okay, here it is. The icon for "Gnu is not Unix" here at Slashdot doesn't really look like a Gnu at all. It looks like a giant penis carrying a security blanket. Really. Take a close look at it. Are those two big red balls supposed to be feet? What does that logo MEAN?
We need to change that logo to something that doesn't have hidden meanings. I suggest the typical Gnu head (no pun intended) that RMS uses on his website.
Don't get me wrong; I *LIKE* BeOS. But are there any comparable apps out there? I've been running BeOS plain-vanilla with the hidden MacOS9 theme running. I forget how I got it, hold ctrl-alt-shift down while clicking on the Be Menu, a new thing called window decorations or something pops up, something like that. I forget the exact keys to hold down.
But transparency?
Dear mods, I don't think that's really a troll; BeOS is *great* in many areas, but it really DOES lack in the GUI department. Look at OSX, KDE with Karamba, even XP with Samurize and WindowBlinds, then look at BeOS. They may have full theming, antialiased fonts, transparency, and cool widgets in this new YellowTab, but I don't see 'em.
BeOS is "good enough" for most users if appearance isn't important to you, but for MacHeads (the guy with OS8/9 flashbacks above), it doesn't cut it. OS X has spoiled them rotten. It would be like going back to dialup after having a T1 line. Can't do it no matter how hard they try.
Yeah, but the best thing is that when I pull the harddrive from one PC with BeOS installed, I plunk it in another PC with totally different hardware and "it just works", to steal an advertising propaganda phrase. BeOS is very Mac-like (OS9, anyway) in that there's no worries, no configuration, it just goes right out of the box. And it's F A S T.
when you're slashdotted to hell.
Which reminds me, I've started my own contest with the white noise from my tv set after closing time. Anyone who can guess what channel I was watching wins.. uh.. uh.. something really good.
hint: people were naked.
Why bother translating it? Getting all technical is the best way to ruin perfectly good music.
Yes, I have written them. I'm still hopeful they can wean themselves (and their users) off their dependency on .mp3's, which can't compete with the price or performance of .ogg, IMHO. It would be good for Apple to grab hold of that efficiency and pass some of the savings on to their iPod customers. Plus they'd gain cool points with geeks, and have another "innovative" notch in their belt they can brag about.
Same situation with AAC, but that's got DRM, which Apple needs right now to get their audio stuff past the evil RIAA.
I like the quality of Sorensen, but it would be nice if Apple would put that licensing money into development of Ogg Tarkin, the license and patent free video codec... the same money they spend to "rent" Sorensen could be used to "buy" them a permanent solution, Tarkin... the money would be used for greater good funding open source, but then Apple would lose control - I hear the Apple / Sorensen deal is exclusive, but I'm too lazy to google it to see if it's true right now.
Screw that! Let's lobby Bush to bring in Death Squads. I know he'll be down with that. He's already 90% of the way there....
Yeah, but Apple still encourages the use of the closed Sorensen codec, which adds nothing to the end-user experience except locking us in to one operating system and player. And why doesn't iTunes and the iPod naturally support open formats like .ogg? They'd save money licensing .mp3, and they ARE the guys who're supposed to be innovating....
I like the baby steps towards openness they've taken, but they're still more like Microsoft than they are like Debian in attitude.
The box, but my wife knows I will use any weasely excuse to buy a G5 (or similar bloated extravagant monster computer), so she'll probably have a heart attack when she sees the bill.
You're welcome. I purposefully DoSed it in order to protect you. It was obviously designed by the Goatse guy - colorwise, anyway. Hmmm... I wonder if Slashdot should charge for Slashdotting badly designed websites, or should it be a public service.
You didn't warn us that it's ADDICTIVE!!!
whoa. just kidding.
My wife has an old Win98 Internet box at home that suicided just last night (first time ever for that box, oh miracle of miracles). Windows was *completely* smoked. Fried. I've got the steaming hard drive with me right now, because I was hoping to find the old BeOSFree around on the net tonight and put that on for her. This is one better!
:-(
Now I must publicly proclaim that there is a God, he loves me, and furthermore, doesn't want me to run Windows - as we all suspected! Praise the Lord! It's a sign!
Now if only I'd listened to Him when he told me to sell Nortel in early 2000...
$15,000 = ONE REALLY FAST POWERMAC G5.
Buy it and you're done. Everything else is uncivilized.
Bah. I always read ANOTHER person's horoscope first, and find that it fits me perfectly as well. Then I read my own, and find it's no better than random.
Only RMS truly knows the future, not some dumb horoscope.
That's bizarre. I'm the 107,565th richest person on the planet. Good thing the government doesn't know that!
Heh heh heh
Turks and Caicos, my friend. Turks and Caicos.
Bah. Karma is for kids. If I cared about my Karma I wouldn't be posting in the "apple.zealot.slashdot" section. "Mods on crack" is not a new phenomenon, or even an Apple-based phenomenon. But only the uber-protective Mac mods will mod a person down for pointing out the obvious truth that is being concealed - that is, that the Apple Community here is extremely biased and will lie repeatedly in order to make Apple look better than it actually is. They attack any benchmark that isn't in their favor. They accept and boast about the ones that are. They quote Steve Jobs like he was the second coming, and not a slimy snake oil salesman who acts more like Hitler than Gates does and has the highest profit margins (which comes out of the customer's pockets, duh) in the business. They think history is malleable and open to interpretation.
In short, the one thing I hate about Apple is the overzealous community. Funny that I think that - Steve Jobs has said the same thing. The Zealots aren't helping Apple, they're hurting them, but the zealots are too stupid to realize it.
I'm amazed that mods who are supposed to be unbiased prove themselves to be absolutely biased and unthinking without regret or guilt. I can't respect any of them. For example, here they are trying to make the world forget about the TiBook Paint Chipping EPIDEMIC, but I have a flaky PB right here to prove it actually happened. Apple was ABSOLUTELY NO HELP, and I was unwilling to put up a pissed-off website and make it a slanderous cause in order to get my money, as DJEdWhite did successfully (after a year or two of complaining). Nice bit of Revisionist History here, better than "the Holocaust never happened", much more widespread, but just as false. I hear that a 500 Mhz G3 is faster than Intel's 3 Ghz chips too. Interesting deception, but as Hitler said, "The bigger the lie, the more likely the Slashdotters are to believe it". Microsoft's Bill Gates has claimed many times that they make "really great software!", and when someone here calls him on it, the mods don't question the facts and figures. Evidence is evidence, and it's in everyone's best interests to get it out there. But when someone points out flaws in Apple, supported by valid links, their speech is suppressed by a harsh and immediate downmodding. This is a great weakness of the Apple Community, and fanatical zealots in general.
BTW, I *AM* a Mac guy, DESPITE, not BECAUSE OF, the dickheads around here who act like mindless worshipful paid shills more than MS' paid shills ever did. I actually USE a Mac, which is more than most of these zealots can say, so I know that MOST of the Propaganda you see on here is not "exactly" true. At best, it's true in one sense or another, but rarely do zealots lay the facts out honestly.
Disgusting.
ssshhhhhhhhh....
not right now.... we're worshipping...
Oh my god, that means my grandfather's a spammer! He's lived in Finnland for years, they must'a sent him there when he was just young!
Which reminds me of a joke from LaughLab... The New Zealander wants to get into Australia, and at the border, the guard asks him, "Do you have a criminal record?". The New Zealander replies, "Why, do you still need one to get in?"
Ba-da-bump.