But it is too late, you cant arrest everyone who makes free copys of music. The idea that one can has proven not to work time and again with asshole prohibition laws.
If the 'channels' no longer work and one firmly believes in their cause then they have the duty to break the law while trying to change it through broken 'channels'. I find it hard to believe that our government responds very quickly at this point. In Arizona there was a ballot issue to legalize maryjane. It overwhelmingly passed, yet still it is illegal to spoke a joint. Doesnt sound like a government of the people to me. One must realize that they are part of the government first and then civil disobedience makes sense.
Yes you do have the right to civil disobedience at a very basic level. You have complete control over your body at all times. You can disobey anything order anyone else commands you to do. I feel sorry for someone who does not think this is so.
Some of us believe that access to any and all information is a human right, that is you cant stop me from thinking. At its most fundamental level that is what this is about, free access to information. My civil disobedience is well thought and something that i believe strongly in you fuck.
I also want to say that reading many of the posts here the majority seem to say obey the law or skirt the law until lawmakers (who are supposed to represent US) change it. Fuck that. As a college student I have nothing to lose (no kids etc.) so I am in a perfect position to participate in civil disobedience. I think tons of laws we have are fucking rediculous, my solution: ignore them. If a large percentage of people think these laws are rediculous they will cease to exist for the majority of people. Look at drug laws, for the majority of people they are meaningless (some people get assfucked and have to go to jail - for them I am sorry). If enough people thought that murder was acceptable it really would be (I in no way condone violence and think murder, etc. is horrible) to our society. Thankfully we, for the most part, do not think murder is acceptable. Im just ranting and saying everyone that doesnt have kids (or are in a position to be completely independant) should just ignore this crap. If you have kids I understand your reservations, but please at least teach them to think.
The internet brings communication to a new level. Changes in the technology of communication cause massive social changes (look at the printing press and the Roman Church). Our society will undergo huge changes in the next 50 years, probably doing away with copyright and other arbitrary protections of information that can be distributed instantly and cheaply by everyone, not just media companies. Personally I could give a shit anymore, there is no way to enforce these laws on large numbers of people freely distributing information. Eventually the laws will catch up. This catch up process definately will prompt massive economic and social changes, but well, too late, the cat5 is out of the bag and not going back in.
Products like Meeting Maker make scheduling meetings where I work wonderfully easy. Of course after a while there is no casual office drop bys, you just have 4 to 5 weekly meetings every day. Nothing is accomplished at the meetings except to say that a meeting was held (meetings count as work dont they:) Oh well, hopefully as consumers become more empowered more business will fail because they suck instead of just passing the cost of ineffiency.
This is the best expaination of Phoenix land use I have ever seen. I dont think that fact that there is no centralized down town helps the mass-transit proposals out one bit either. too bad though, it would be nice.
Well, first I would like to say fuck you Micro-Soft-Dick.
Now lets get down to business. It seems since everyone is suing everyone at this point in time, we should get in on the action. I think a class action civil suit against MS because their monopolistic practices have limited my productivity at work by forcing me to use a product that doesnt work. I think we can use the tobacco suits as precedent and say that MS lied to us about the viability of their products and the upgrade addictiveness. Im sure memos could be found saying things like, "Let's get this crap into schools and hook 'em young" or "If we change the file format again, they'll all be forced to buy more or they won't be able to function." Just an idea as to how we could all join in the fun.
Napsters terms of service is a contract and has nothing to do with criminal law. It would be a civil case and really could only result in the banning of NetPD and nothing else. Of course sending 60,000 pages (wonder how many trees that is) right back to them would be nice. Face it, copyrights on the free distrabution of information no longer exist.
I have visited the W.A.V.E. website and am rather disturbed by the content. I noticed that some of the conditions include things such as a lack of interest in school work, or a feeling of isolation from one's peers. I began to think of the most stunning and beautiful scientific developments that have been made when students have been taught in situations similar to our public schooling system. It seems to me that the creaters of the majority of great science have been the ones that exhibit these characteristics. Thinkers such as Einstein, Hawking, Mandelbrot, and many others did not excel at schoolwork. They did not 'fit in' with their peers. They were not 'normal', 'safe' children. This program would place even more pressure to conform and think in the standard and accepted fashion, yet it is exactly their refusal to think in this manner that has driven scientific progress throughout history. How can this program rectify itself with the fact that science, by nature, is driven by misfits and non-conformists? How can this program try to subdue original thought while conforming to the idea that this drives human progress?
Ben Byer
PS I have serious reservations concerning lecture style education aimed at the average person tobegin with. W.A.V.E. though also begins to erode personal freedom to the point where armed resolution may be necessary. I do not like the need for violence and avoid it when possible, but I will not live with big brother either.
Someone Moderate this up as funny and insightful. This is one of the best posts I have seem in a long time. 1 == true == I agree. 0 == false == I disagree. Only geeks can convey so much information so well.
At Miami University we just banned Napster servers for bandwidth reasons. Its worse then it sounds. They were told by our state mandated ISP (orenet) to block the server or we would pay more then we already do (we dont pay that much for our connection compared to my outrageous tuition). Next Im sure comes video conferencing. God fucking forbid they lose there phone monopolies.
why dont we bitch about what Universities really limit. I sit in 400 level math classes and get assignments akin to 6th grade library class (because by the time you are a senior you need to learn to use the library again), I sit im my Liberal Ed classes and get reintroduced to the metric system (biology class), told that being poor and having a close family is more important than hard work (english class idiot reading), told that attendence is more important than your knowledge (96% in a class but too many absences leads to being dropped from the class), and that presentation is far better than content (any computer or business class where the teachers teaching about internet commerce dont know what SSL is), and so on. Universities have a monoploy on knowledge and society. Well fuck them.
Ben
Home distilled Vodka is much better than Coke or Pepsi
Well, I started with the Foundation series by Asimov, read Tolken's Lord of the Rings books, Dune gotread very early, but my favorite books were, and still are, the Phoenix Legacy Trilogy by M K Wren. They are out of print and getting rather hard to find, but are well worth the effort. The books are in order: The Sword of the Lamb, Shadow of the Swan, and House of the Wolf. In these great books you will find a politically charged story about the fall and resurection of humanity akin to the Foundation series with beautiful character development like you find,,, well no where else I can think of right now. Definately start with Foundation though, it'll get you and her thinking in the social sci-fi mode. If you are worried about sexual exposure, well there is some in both a recreational and relationship sense, but then again she is 13 and could probably use exposure to the difference instead of 'pop' cultures reliance on recreational sex. Oh and dont forget Mists of Avalon (ok, so its really long I know) when she is a bit older (although those descriptions of sex were just great for me at 15:).
Have you been to a University lately? We are very much children in the eyes of the University. We are ass fucked by these institutions every day so why not this too. Being from Arizona, I can tell you that this bill has a very good chance of passing. Remember that Arizona has sucessfully ceded from the Union and that it is against that law to bad mouth vegetables. This is just another reason not to go to college.
Ben, who is dropping out as soon as my loans are up
There have been some real good references, including Godel and especially Gauss, but there are two that at least deserve discussion before the matter is laid to rest (as if it everwill:)
Bernhard Riemann - He "invented" the integral as most readers here would know it, worked in multiple dimensions (impetus for Einstein's work), and other general cool math stuff (important stuff if you ask me).
Evariste Galois - Has to be number 1. He died at age 21 in a duel that he knew he was going to lose. The night before he wrote down as much new math as he could trying to impart his impressive genius to the rest of us. His contributions led to the only area of math named after a person (Galois Theory obviously). Why was he a geek. Well, his reckless, anti-social demise was pretty much the ultimate fuck you to the rest of us. If he had lived algebra would be an entirely different subject today.
I have to disagree. Many third world countries suffer, not because of the lack of farming (they are lacking, but many countries suppliment their crops with food) but from inept and corrupt governments.
You also claim that most of the people you meet are much smarter. I really dont find this to be the case. Example: My schools compuer network. We support dial-in that has been broken for 3 weeks now b/c, well, no one is real sure what novell is doing right now. Example 2: the majority of computer software.
I also feel that the internet and computer age is more than a boom. It is as big as the agricultural and industrial revolutions of the past. Eventually many jobs will be automated out and the humans left working will only be produing new information. We will not even be moving information at that point just making new stuff. Through computers we are on the brink of providing humanity with enough production capabilities and free time to either destroy us all, or finally achieve human unity and begin to expand our frontiers both physically and mentally.
In essence I think the Information Revolution (which has barely even started) is one of the most important events in human history. I hope we respond to it correctly. Ben
Here at Miami University of Ohio our SSN is on our ID. What is even more fun is that our login name to the comptuers is the first six letters of our last name, the first and then middle initial. Our default password (which our stupid novell system doesnt force a change on) is in the form mmddssss where ssss is the last four digits of our social security number and mmdd is the month and day of our birthday. Oh the fun i could have. (Not that crashing our system would be fun anymore, it does that everyday on its own).
I wish my highschool had badges that the teachers wore with their SSNs on them. You give me detention, well you just ordered me a new computer too. MUHAHAHAHA
Credit fraud is the easiet thing in the world to do in a big city. Its a wonder that it doesnt happen to more people. By the way, over the phone you can reqest 1 credit report a year from TSR, or so I have heard.
Why is there reason to believe that the NSA has made super advances in Number Theory. Sure they are the largest single employer of mathematitians anywhere, but they certainly do not hire a majority of all number theorists. The NSA's advantage is probably in implementation.
PS dont think that ECC is super safe. There is just too much unknown about it. 4000 bit RSA (always read the source) seems a lot safer.
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But it is too late, you cant arrest everyone who makes free copys of music. The idea that one can has proven not to work time and again with asshole prohibition laws.
If the 'channels' no longer work and one firmly believes in their cause then they have the duty to break the law while trying to change it through broken 'channels'. I find it hard to believe that our government responds very quickly at this point. In Arizona there was a ballot issue to legalize maryjane. It overwhelmingly passed, yet still it is illegal to spoke a joint. Doesnt sound like a government of the people to me. One must realize that they are part of the government first and then civil disobedience makes sense.
Yes you do have the right to civil disobedience at a very basic level. You have complete control over your body at all times. You can disobey anything order anyone else commands you to do. I feel sorry for someone who does not think this is so.
Yeah, let them make money performing.
yes a free society, abolish copyright now. it really doesnt exist anyway as it is completely unenforcable now.
Some of us believe that access to any and all information is a human right, that is you cant stop me from thinking. At its most fundamental level that is what this is about, free access to information. My civil disobedience is well thought and something that i believe strongly in you fuck.
I also want to say that reading many of the posts here the majority seem to say obey the law or skirt the law until lawmakers (who are supposed to represent US) change it. Fuck that. As a college student I have nothing to lose (no kids etc.) so I am in a perfect position to participate in civil disobedience. I think tons of laws we have are fucking rediculous, my solution: ignore them. If a large percentage of people think these laws are rediculous they will cease to exist for the majority of people. Look at drug laws, for the majority of people they are meaningless (some people get assfucked and have to go to jail - for them I am sorry). If enough people thought that murder was acceptable it really would be (I in no way condone violence and think murder, etc. is horrible) to our society. Thankfully we, for the most part, do not think murder is acceptable. Im just ranting and saying everyone that doesnt have kids (or are in a position to be completely independant) should just ignore this crap. If you have kids I understand your reservations, but please at least teach them to think.
The internet brings communication to a new level. Changes in the technology of communication cause massive social changes (look at the printing press and the Roman Church). Our society will undergo huge changes in the next 50 years, probably doing away with copyright and other arbitrary protections of information that can be distributed instantly and cheaply by everyone, not just media companies. Personally I could give a shit anymore, there is no way to enforce these laws on large numbers of people freely distributing information. Eventually the laws will catch up. This catch up process definately will prompt massive economic and social changes, but well, too late, the cat5 is out of the bag and not going back in.
Products like Meeting Maker make scheduling meetings where I work wonderfully easy. Of course after a while there is no casual office drop bys, you just have 4 to 5 weekly meetings every day. Nothing is accomplished at the meetings except to say that a meeting was held (meetings count as work dont they :) Oh well, hopefully as consumers become more empowered more business will fail because they suck instead of just passing the cost of ineffiency.
This is the best expaination of Phoenix land use I have ever seen. I dont think that fact that there is no centralized down town helps the mass-transit proposals out one bit either. too bad though, it would be nice.
hmmm, LED + backwards current = detonator.
His site is really really bad. I wouldn't ask him anything about web design because I wouldnt want anything I do to look like that piece of crap.
Well, first I would like to say fuck you Micro-Soft-Dick.
Now lets get down to business. It seems since everyone is suing everyone at this point in time, we should get in on the action. I think a class action civil suit against MS because their monopolistic practices have limited my productivity at work by forcing me to use a product that doesnt work. I think we can use the tobacco suits as precedent and say that MS lied to us about the viability of their products and the upgrade addictiveness. Im sure memos could be found saying things like, "Let's get this crap into schools and hook 'em young" or "If we change the file format again, they'll all be forced to buy more or they won't be able to function." Just an idea as to how we could all join in the fun.
Ben
Napsters terms of service is a contract and has nothing to do with criminal law. It would be a civil case and really could only result in the banning of NetPD and nothing else. Of course sending 60,000 pages (wonder how many trees that is) right back to them would be nice. Face it, copyrights on the free distrabution of information no longer exist.
I have visited the W.A.V.E. website and am rather disturbed by the content. I noticed that some of the conditions include things such as a lack of interest in school work, or a feeling of isolation from one's peers. I began to think of the most stunning and beautiful scientific developments that have been made when students have been taught in situations similar to our public schooling system. It seems to me that the creaters of the majority of great science have been the ones that exhibit these characteristics. Thinkers such as Einstein, Hawking, Mandelbrot, and many others did not excel at schoolwork. They did not 'fit in' with their peers. They were not 'normal', 'safe' children. This program would place even more pressure to conform and think in the standard and accepted fashion, yet it is exactly their refusal to think in this manner that has driven scientific progress throughout history. How can this program rectify itself with the fact that science, by nature, is driven by misfits and non-conformists? How can this program try to subdue original thought while conforming to the idea that this drives human progress?
Ben Byer
PS I have serious reservations concerning lecture style education aimed at the average person tobegin with. W.A.V.E. though also begins to erode personal freedom to the point where armed resolution may be necessary. I do not like the need for violence and avoid it when possible, but I will not live with big brother either.
I have the email address adolfhitler@waveamerica.com. Please email bomb this address to bring their servers down.
Freedom must continually be fought for.
Someone Moderate this up as funny and insightful. This is one of the best posts I have seem in a long time. 1 == true == I agree. 0 == false == I disagree. Only geeks can convey so much information so well.
Benman
At Miami University we just banned Napster servers for bandwidth reasons. Its worse then it sounds. They were told by our state mandated ISP (orenet) to block the server or we would pay more then we already do (we dont pay that much for our connection compared to my outrageous tuition). Next Im sure comes video conferencing. God fucking forbid they lose there phone monopolies.
why dont we bitch about what Universities really limit. I sit in 400 level math classes and get assignments akin to 6th grade library class (because by the time you are a senior you need to learn to use the library again), I sit im my Liberal Ed classes and get reintroduced to the metric system (biology class), told that being poor and having a close family is more important than hard work (english class idiot reading), told that attendence is more important than your knowledge (96% in a class but too many absences leads to being dropped from the class), and that presentation is far better than content (any computer or business class where the teachers teaching about internet commerce dont know what SSL is), and so on. Universities have a monoploy on knowledge and society. Well fuck them.
Ben
Home distilled Vodka is much better than Coke or Pepsi
Well, I started with the Foundation series by Asimov, read Tolken's Lord of the Rings books, Dune gotread very early, but my favorite books were, and still are, the Phoenix Legacy Trilogy by M K Wren. They are out of print and getting rather hard to find, but are well worth the effort. The books are in order: The Sword of the Lamb, Shadow of the Swan, and House of the Wolf. In these great books you will find a politically charged story about the fall and resurection of humanity akin to the Foundation series with beautiful character development like you find,,, well no where else I can think of right now. Definately start with Foundation though, it'll get you and her thinking in the social sci-fi mode. If you are worried about sexual exposure, well there is some in both a recreational and relationship sense, but then again she is 13 and could probably use exposure to the difference instead of 'pop' cultures reliance on recreational sex. Oh and dont forget Mists of Avalon (ok, so its really long I know) when she is a bit older (although those descriptions of sex were just great for me at 15 :).
Ben
Have you been to a University lately? We are very much children in the eyes of the University. We are ass fucked by these institutions every day so why not this too. Being from Arizona, I can tell you that this bill has a very good chance of passing. Remember that Arizona has sucessfully ceded from the Union and that it is against that law to bad mouth vegetables. This is just another reason not to go to college.
Ben, who is dropping out as soon as my loans are up
If you want something all consuming and it will keep you interested for a long time, try everquest (only on ms though)
Ben
There have been some real good references, including Godel and especially Gauss, but there are two that at least deserve discussion before the matter is laid to rest (as if it everwill :)
Bernhard Riemann - He "invented" the integral as most readers here would know it, worked in multiple dimensions (impetus for Einstein's work), and other general cool math stuff (important stuff if you ask me).
Evariste Galois - Has to be number 1. He died at age 21 in a duel that he knew he was going to lose. The night before he wrote down as much new math as he could trying to impart his impressive genius to the rest of us. His contributions led to the only area of math named after a person (Galois Theory obviously). Why was he a geek. Well, his reckless, anti-social demise was pretty much the ultimate fuck you to the rest of us. If he had lived algebra would be an entirely different subject today.
Just sticking up for the mathematicions a bit.
Ben
I have to disagree. Many third world countries suffer, not because of the lack of farming (they are lacking, but many countries suppliment their crops with food) but from inept and corrupt governments.
You also claim that most of the people you meet are much smarter. I really dont find this to be the case. Example: My schools compuer network. We support dial-in that has been broken for 3 weeks now b/c, well, no one is real sure what novell is doing right now. Example 2: the majority of computer software.
I also feel that the internet and computer age is more than a boom. It is as big as the agricultural and industrial revolutions of the past. Eventually many jobs will be automated out and the humans left working will only be produing new information. We will not even be moving information at that point just making new stuff. Through computers we are on the brink of providing humanity with enough production capabilities and free time to either destroy us all, or finally achieve human unity and begin to expand our frontiers both physically and mentally.
In essence I think the Information Revolution (which has barely even started) is one of the most important events in human history. I hope we respond to it correctly. Ben
Here at Miami University of Ohio our SSN is on our ID. What is even more fun is that our login name to the comptuers is the first six letters of our last name, the first and then middle initial. Our default password (which our stupid novell system doesnt force a change on) is in the form mmddssss where ssss is the last four digits of our social security number and mmdd is the month and day of our birthday. Oh the fun i could have. (Not that crashing our system would be fun anymore, it does that everyday on its own).
I wish my highschool had badges that the teachers wore with their SSNs on them. You give me detention, well you just ordered me a new computer too. MUHAHAHAHA
Credit fraud is the easiet thing in the world to do in a big city. Its a wonder that it doesnt happen to more people. By the way, over the phone you can reqest 1 credit report a year from TSR, or so I have heard.
Why is there reason to believe that the NSA has made super advances in Number Theory. Sure they are the largest single employer of mathematitians anywhere, but they certainly do not hire a majority of all number theorists. The NSA's advantage is probably in implementation.
PS dont think that ECC is super safe. There is just too much unknown about it. 4000 bit RSA (always read the source) seems a lot safer.