those damn pirates^H^H^H^H^H^H^H paying customers. They're STEALING! Nothing could be more clear or simple. Our MSRP is explicitly covered in the DMCA, under Section 115b, Subsection 26777, Paragraph 12, Sentance 17.5; where it states, and I quote "Thou Shalt Worship No Idols Other than Me". And of course, clearly again in Section 666, "You want the truth? You can't handle the Truth"
A big part of this article is how the movie "Just doesn't get it" which is of course the biggest load.
Of course the movie gets it. What the commenter doesn't get is that the movie is about fantasy. It's not trying to be a realistic portrayal of life as a spy, it's about selling copies, giving kids a fantastical role model, and being down right entertaining. everyone (well, men) want to be Bond at some point of Bonds career or another, loads of people mimic Bond's speach. I'd say that Hollywood gets it
Now I can get my Computer Science Theory mark reviewed under the grounds that I put hours of research into attempting to find a solution to an NP Hard problem.
You'd be amazed at some of the Heuristics you have to use at Level 10!
This really isn't that new. There's an example that's a picture of a couple of Zebra's, where they changed from some colour bit depth to a somewhat weaker bit depth, then the bits they saved were used to transmit ascii. Essentially a 32 bit pic was switched to 24 bits, leaving tons of room to include 5 of Shakespeares plays.
Trust me, I hate the way IP legislation is going as much as, and maybe more than many of you. But for the love of knowledge people read before you post
The problem here doesn't appear to be the patent, but this PanIP companies attempts to misinterpret it. Regarding the patent itself...
Hear me out.
The patent was applied for in '94. How many of you can honestly say you were doing graphical e-commerce before this? None of you?
The first patent seems to be specifically relating to the travel industry... seems like they might have had an actual idea?
The first patent seems to be mostly dealing with the travel industry.
The second patent seems to be specifically for approving loands
So it seems to me that the patents should have been granted. And that at least some portion of e-commerce is an extension of this idea. The question remains to what extent does this apply.
My interpretation is that it should only be enforceable on systems which use specific purpose terminals that meet the graphical/textual criteria, using a dedicated network, or at LEAST a dedicated protocol for its own transport over the Internet.
So who here actually was doing e-commerce before '94, did any of the systems built AFTER this extend on THIS specific idea, and if so, to what degree. I know I'd hire a consulting firm to find out.
Of course, I think it's all totally out of control, but let's at least recognize the original patent holder for their contribution to the greater good. If that's what happened.
Now if it turns out that they actually just ripping off an idea and are trying to make cash from it, let's ship them off to use as a sandbag in the war on terror!
This just isn't true. IP is theoretically more tied to TCP/UDP/ICMP/IGMP than TCP is to IP. The fact that TCP traditionally uses IP is just precedent.
If you don't believe me, have a look at the protocol definitions, or if you're not into doing a pile of reading, just look at the headers. IP has a field in it's header which specifies the overlying transport protocol (TCP is 6, UDP is 17... and there's many more defined) where TCP doesn't even care what it's delivery (network layer, whatever you want to call it) is.
Realistically, you only get to communicate with other computers that use the same protocol at the same layer as the one you use, which means that we generally all run close to identical Network tacks, but there certainly isn't any requirement.
If I were to build my own network that ignored IP, used TCP, I'd be welcome to do it.
There's a lot of speculation about this in the AI world. I'm currently in a graduate ai course that was following this reasonably closely, and we believe that given perfect play, it is quite likely that white will win every time.
The problem is that the amount of moves is extremely large, so the time when a "perfect" player comes up is probably a LONG way away.
Most games with perfect information (where each side knows the entire set of information) and without randomness are likely to have a perfect solution.... ie White can force a win in 97 moves.. or something
The idea isn't to "upgrade" your old equipment to use feul cells. The entire tech industry desperately needs something to sell some new products. How many walkman's do you need? (or should that be walkmen?)
The point is to not have to have batteries at all so you just pump it up with some butane/methane whatever every now and again. This is a HUGE upgrade, not having to replace/recharge PDA batteries every couple hours of use could improve screens and processor power. And to top it all off, means that the manufacturers will make more money selling NEW things.
You can bet that this is only the first of a coming shift in consumer electronics.
There's already a real problem with the length of time it takes light to travel along those cables we call IDE or SCSI. If you double the length, you double the latency.
So although it's super cool, and a neat thing to have, it's usefulness is somewhat diminished for high I/O intensive apps (like databases/graphics... blah blah blah)
Maybe if you'd even thought about this a little bit you wouldn't have posted it, but obviously you lack that trait. For example, Insulin (it's used to treat Diabetes, which 1 in 5 AMERICANS has) was developed in Canada, by Canadians. so next time you want to whine about how much everyone else whines about you, think about the reason, and ask if you're adding to it, or taking away from it. If it's the former, then don't bother posting.
Obviously you care for open source, and I agree with you that it's the most open and free expression of computing. But it's only as good as the input, and this includes not only the software, but the content.
You know? The stuff that you compute? The Data behind the Engine? The Soul behind the Algorithm. It's easy to forget that in a general purpose computing world, the objective isn't to have the fastest hardware, or the most intuitive software, it's to apply these to doing
Free, Open Source, software doesn't eaqual freedom. It's just another part of the means by which we manipulate Data.
So support open source art. (i.e. Content) at LEAST as much as you support open source software.
Here I'm specifically referring to their business. After all... who in their right business mind would title the worldwide tour Licks
and get this little tidbit
So, too, does Prince Rupert Zu Loewenstein, a London-based banker who carries an old Bavarian title and who's been the band's chief business advisor for some 30 years--"and I hope for another 30 too," he says.
They have a bavarian Prince named Loewenstein? Is that a normal Bavarian royal surname?
Since TLD's are apparently being handed out by economic impact (see yesterdays article regarding whois) they'll have to have a new RS set!
--Computers... just a fad. You'll see
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Yes... Good Point. Similar to mine, but without the scathing sarcasm.
And undoubtedly nobody in the linux community uses the passport functionality either.
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Finally! Now that we've successfully displaced MS Office with Open Office (or Star) and MSN with Gaim, and Powerpoint with Dia, and... well and Windows with Linux. FINALLY we can drive the LAST nail into the coffin of closed programming with "Plan 9"! This is truely a wonderful climax to the Opensource/Microsource epic battle....
DJ
-A sarcasm detector, now there's a useful invention
This kind of simple accounting error could be corrected by requiring the CEO's to sign off on all newly found elements.
"I was told by our accounting department that we had 118 protons, it seems that we counted 3 of those protons twice, as we sold them to einsteinium and bought them back at a reduced rate"
It seems to me that most of the people complaining that Redhat is stealing choices from people are people who know very well how to exercise those choices regardless. They're also probably coincident with people who can't understand why Linux isn't the Desktop Of Choice for any company, let alone users.
Unfortunately I'm one of those users. I've installed Linux a few times, and have been trying new distrobutions faithfully every few months for the last 5 years, and I have yet to have one meet my needs from the installation.
What are these needs? Well, they're quite simple. I'd like for my XWindows to work right away, this is actually a new requirement, I have been quite happy to type xstart for a large portion of the time, unfortunately I have only had it work once or twice, usually it's a problem with the hostname. I'd like the functionality provided for me in the applications I need (interestingly this seems to be where Linux actually DOES make the grade). And somewhat importantly... I'd like for my sound to work. I'm aware that I probably "just didn't buy" the right sound card, but it came with my Motherboard (Via chipset). Alsa lists it in its supported chipset (I think it's an AC87) but is apparently completely impossible to get working (insert modules? compile modules? What the heck, why isn't there a.rpm or.deb or something?)
AND....
Why do my applications look like they're from 3 different beasts? There are more similarities between Apple and M$ than in a typical qt/X/gtk setup... great, so I have many choices but I can't use any of them because I've got work I have to do.
So rather than giving me some cryptic documentation written by some software engineer that KNOWs the system, and expects you to KNOW the system to, Redhat has unified the choices, made it so that I can follow one thread of (hopefully) well written documentation, and provided the functionality that I want (In this case)
Bravo Redhat! Thank you for making my life easier. Maybe in another few releases I can actually start recommending Redhat to my friends.
And yes, I know at least a little bit about computers, I've written device drivers, Operating Systems, Network stacks, database procedures and more. Generally these are easier to figure out than simply trying to get ANY LINUX distribution working, as they come with, or have rather straightforward requirements and/or API's, leaving the rest up to me.
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those damn pirates^H^H^H^H^H^H^H paying customers. They're STEALING! Nothing could be more clear or simple. Our MSRP is explicitly covered in the DMCA, under Section 115b, Subsection 26777, Paragraph 12, Sentance 17.5; where it states, and I quote "Thou Shalt Worship No Idols Other than Me". And of course, clearly again in Section 666, "You want the truth? You can't handle the Truth"
We don't come free, we don't even come cheap
Of course the movie gets it. What the commenter doesn't get is that the movie is about fantasy. It's not trying to be a realistic portrayal of life as a spy, it's about selling copies, giving kids a fantastical role model, and being down right entertaining. everyone (well, men) want to be Bond at some point of Bonds career or another, loads of people mimic Bond's speach. I'd say that Hollywood gets it
Macgyver to the moon
You'd be amazed at some of the Heuristics you have to use at Level 10!
This really isn't that new. There's an example that's a picture of a couple of Zebra's, where they changed from some colour bit depth to a somewhat weaker bit depth, then the bits they saved were used to transmit ascii. Essentially a 32 bit pic was switched to 24 bits, leaving tons of room to include 5 of Shakespeares plays.
The problem here doesn't appear to be the patent, but this PanIP companies attempts to misinterpret it. Regarding the patent itself...
Hear me out.
- The patent was applied for in '94. How many of you can honestly say you were doing graphical e-commerce before this? None of you?
- The first patent seems to be specifically relating to the travel industry... seems like they might have had an actual idea?
- The first patent seems to be mostly dealing with the travel industry.
- The second patent seems to be specifically for approving loands
So it seems to me that the patents should have been granted. And that at least some portion of e-commerce is an extension of this idea. The question remains to what extent does this apply.My interpretation is that it should only be enforceable on systems which use specific purpose terminals that meet the graphical/textual criteria, using a dedicated network, or at LEAST a dedicated protocol for its own transport over the Internet.
So who here actually was doing e-commerce before '94, did any of the systems built AFTER this extend on THIS specific idea, and if so, to what degree. I know I'd hire a consulting firm to find out.
Of course, I think it's all totally out of control, but let's at least recognize the original patent holder for their contribution to the greater good. If that's what happened.
Now if it turns out that they actually just ripping off an idea and are trying to make cash from it, let's ship them off to use as a sandbag in the war on terror!
This just isn't true. IP is theoretically more tied to TCP/UDP/ICMP/IGMP than TCP is to IP. The fact that TCP traditionally uses IP is just precedent.
If you don't believe me, have a look at the protocol definitions, or if you're not into doing a pile of reading, just look at the headers. IP has a field in it's header which specifies the overlying transport protocol (TCP is 6, UDP is 17... and there's many more defined) where TCP doesn't even care what it's delivery (network layer, whatever you want to call it) is.
Realistically, you only get to communicate with other computers that use the same protocol at the same layer as the one you use, which means that we generally all run close to identical Network tacks, but there certainly isn't any requirement.
If I were to build my own network that ignored IP, used TCP, I'd be welcome to do it.
The problem is that the amount of moves is extremely large, so the time when a "perfect" player comes up is probably a LONG way away.
Most games with perfect information (where each side knows the entire set of information) and without randomness are likely to have a perfect solution.... ie White can force a win in 97 moves.. or something
The point is to not have to have batteries at all so you just pump it up with some butane/methane whatever every now and again. This is a HUGE upgrade, not having to replace/recharge PDA batteries every couple hours of use could improve screens and processor power. And to top it all off, means that the manufacturers will make more money selling NEW things.
You can bet that this is only the first of a coming shift in consumer electronics.
So although it's super cool, and a neat thing to have, it's usefulness is somewhat diminished for high I/O intensive apps (like databases/graphics... blah blah blah)
Maybe if you'd even thought about this a little bit you wouldn't have posted it, but obviously you lack that trait.
For example, Insulin (it's used to treat Diabetes, which 1 in 5 AMERICANS has) was developed in Canada, by Canadians.
so next time you want to whine about how much everyone else whines about you, think about the reason, and ask if you're adding to it, or taking away from it. If it's the former, then don't bother posting.
Obviously you care for open source, and I agree with you that it's the most open and free expression of computing. But it's only as good as the input, and this includes not only the software, but the content.
You know? The stuff that you compute? The Data behind the Engine? The Soul behind the Algorithm.
It's easy to forget that in a general purpose computing world, the objective isn't to have the fastest hardware, or the most intuitive software, it's to apply these to doing
Free, Open Source, software doesn't eaqual freedom. It's just another part of the means by which we manipulate Data.
So support open source art. (i.e. Content) at LEAST as much as you support open source software.
and get this little tidbit
So, too, does Prince Rupert Zu Loewenstein, a London-based banker who carries an old Bavarian title and who's been the band's chief business advisor for some 30 years--"and I hope for another 30 too," he says.
They have a bavarian Prince named Loewenstein? Is that a normal Bavarian royal surname?
Since TLD's are apparently being handed out by economic impact (see yesterdays article regarding whois) they'll have to have a new RS set!
--Computers... just a fad. You'll see
Yes... Good Point. Similar to mine, but without the scathing sarcasm. And undoubtedly nobody in the linux community uses the passport functionality either.
Finally! Now that we've successfully displaced MS Office with Open Office (or Star) and MSN with Gaim, and Powerpoint with Dia, and... well and Windows with Linux. FINALLY we can drive the LAST nail into the coffin of closed programming with "Plan 9"! This is truely a wonderful climax to the Opensource/Microsource epic battle....
DJ
-A sarcasm detector, now there's a useful invention
This kind of simple accounting error could be corrected by requiring the CEO's to sign off on all newly found elements. "I was told by our accounting department that we had 118 protons, it seems that we counted 3 of those protons twice, as we sold them to einsteinium and bought them back at a reduced rate"
It seems to me that most of the people complaining that Redhat is stealing choices from people are people who know very well how to exercise those choices regardless. They're also probably coincident with people who can't understand why Linux isn't the Desktop Of Choice for any company, let alone users.
.rpm or .deb or something?)
Unfortunately I'm one of those users. I've installed Linux a few times, and have been trying new distrobutions faithfully every few months for the last 5 years, and I have yet to have one meet my needs from the installation.
What are these needs? Well, they're quite simple. I'd like for my XWindows to work right away, this is actually a new requirement, I have been quite happy to type xstart for a large portion of the time, unfortunately I have only had it work once or twice, usually it's a problem with the hostname. I'd like the functionality provided for me in the applications I need (interestingly this seems to be where Linux actually DOES make the grade). And somewhat importantly... I'd like for my sound to work. I'm aware that I probably "just didn't buy" the right sound card, but it came with my Motherboard (Via chipset). Alsa lists it in its supported chipset (I think it's an AC87) but is apparently completely impossible to get working (insert modules? compile modules? What the heck, why isn't there a
AND....
Why do my applications look like they're from 3 different beasts? There are more similarities between Apple and M$ than in a typical qt/X/gtk setup... great, so I have many choices but I can't use any of them because I've got work I have to do.
So rather than giving me some cryptic documentation written by some software engineer that KNOWs the system, and expects you to KNOW the system to, Redhat has unified the choices, made it so that I can follow one thread of (hopefully) well written documentation, and provided the functionality that I want (In this case)
Bravo Redhat! Thank you for making my life easier. Maybe in another few releases I can actually start recommending Redhat to my friends.
And yes, I know at least a little bit about computers, I've written device drivers, Operating Systems, Network stacks, database procedures and more. Generally these are easier to figure out than simply trying to get ANY LINUX distribution working, as they come with, or have rather straightforward requirements and/or API's, leaving the rest up to me.
Don't you mean Dingo hole everyone?