Unless the whole thing is staged to generate nerd-rage on slashdot.
What proof is there that this event ever happened? I know that HP is pretty hated around/. and linux.com in general.
Here's a story: I called novell support, the guy called me a "faggot" and told me to "go fuck myself". I called Apple to order an iPhone and they told me the same thing. They also said the holocaust was a lie! Boycott Apple please.
If she squawked up the chain, she'd get a new keyboard.
They have that policy because once some guy installs "random distro", and the wifi, or some other device "stops working", there's no way to troubleshoot that over the phone.
I wind up with that problem myself. It's hard with linux to know if the hardware has failed, the drivers have a bug, if they're configured incorrectly - or simply don't work at all. Especially when you're talking about that NDIS-wrapper crap.
I have a machine taht will randomly freeze up X - you can still ssh in, but X freezes. I dunno - is this X, nvidia's drivers, or the card? I dunno. Works fine in windows, so at least I ruled out the last option. I found a thread somewhere pointing to it being a bug. Like I said, I dunno.
Solution? Have a windows partition, even if it's on an old 3 gig drive - to be able to prove it's hardware that failed.
Back in the day when I called up their support with a problem, and mentioned I was using an OpenBSD box as a firewall/gateway the response was: 'cool!'
Actually, would you believe that last night a comcast rep came to my door. They'd had some problems the last 6 months in my community, so he went door to door giving us all a rate cut, free digital and a free movie channel to compensate. I hadn't any problems, but hey - free.
We talked for a bit, he asked what kind of computer I had. I told him I'd set up a linux router/vpn gateway, and he said "cool". I mentioned that the tuner in my new HDTV was already picking up OnDemand feeds, and he didn't believe me, so I showed him a skinimax flick on 87.3 which was being rewound to show the same nipple over and over. He laughed, and said "cool" again, and mentioned that it'll probably be a long while before they get around to encrypting those feeds.
I still think comcast sucks a fat nut. Just because some rep said "cool" doesn't mean they are.
Speakeasy's policies won't be so fast and loose in the future. Best Buy sucks.
These are all foreign nationals and do not have any inherent right to do business in the US.
If you apply for any sort of credit they'll ask for proof of citizenship/residency and bypass this list. If you can't provide either, sucks to be you. Apply for credit in Iran.
Also, nobody has ever been jailed for selling a fucking sandwich to the wrong guy. That's just FUD.
And everyone I see with a vcast phone is some kind of super genious. America's literati.
Of course, YOU HAVENT EVEN SEEN AN IPHONE YET. It's a little presumptous to assume it's "easier to use" than my Treo. People wonder why I hate Apple fans so much, it's dumb shit statements like that.
Simplicity? Sure, I bet it doesn't have a fraction of the functionality my treo does, and I'd shit myself if I could code my own apps for it like I can with what I have now.
Will there be much freeware for the iPhone? Will I be able to run ssh, vnc, etc, like I do with my Palm-based treo? Can it run NES/Gameboy/SMS/TG16 emulators?
Apples products should be subsidized heavily, if not given away free.
What is AppleTV, if not an iTunes franchise attached to my TV? This iPhone, iPod, iEverything - they're all interfaces to Apple's store, much (or most, if not all) of their functionality depends on my sending Jobs my credit card information.
I don't need iTunes in my pocket. I don't need (or want) it at all.
Let's discuss Apple and their product line, behind the thin veil of a "tech discussion".
I know I'm going to throw away all my iPods when the iPhone comes out. I've already thrown away my Tivo, VCR, DVD Player, Xbox, PS2, cable box, and 40" LCD screen, because Apple has their own TV now!
Now that Apple has a phone that can play an mp3 - AN IMPRESSIVE TECHNOLOGICAL ACCOMPLISHMENT! I mean, my god - a phone playing mp3s? What will they think of next!
You are all asshats. If vcast/treo/etc (every fucking phone plays mp3s) didn't kill the market for a standalone player, why would iPhone? There's an enormous market of people who like music, and dont want a new cell phone. Most people just take the phone thats free with the service.
Who the fuck would rent an iPod?
Apple would love it, though, as you can force phones into obsolescense, while the iPod can do its thing until the shitty build quality rears its head.
Gentoo just crapped its pants on me in the middle of an "emerge -uD world", and now the box is borked. Won't boot, not even in single user mode. Reinstallation is a multi-day affair. Fuck that. At least you can flatten and rebuild a windows box in an afternoon.
You're a tool, and elitists super-compu-geniouses like you are the reason people stay away from linux by association. Typing make in/usr/src/linux and watching it compile does not make you an expert.
No, the windows "power user" is not confused by linux. HE RECOGNIZES LINUX AS INFERIOR FOR HIS NEEDS, and already has a working solution on his desktop. Why would he give a fuck about unga bunga lunix?
I've tried tversity. It's ok, some video I threw at it froze it up, making me go downstairs to restart it - I could weed out those bad files though.
You still cant seek, fast forward or rewind anything but wmv. That sucks, but if you just want to watch a movie "theater style", I guess it's better than nothing.
I'd be happier when (if) it gets ported to linux, and I could run it as a service. I don't leave my desktop on all the time.
I'd be happiest if MSFT just let you playback divx/xvid. Hell, I'd be happy if it could stream MPEG2-TS from a windows PC (it can from Media Center, but not XP?), it'd be trivial to set up a system to download tivo recordings, peel off the DRM, and watch it on the 360.
I've got a few xboxes, used ones are cheap. I'll mod those and stick them on all my TVs, they do everything I want - too weak to playback past 720p, but I'll live.
XBox live marketplace is my go-to for HD content though, I'm finding it pretty convenient and easy to use. I'm pretty interested to see what they do with IPTV as well.
Whats the point of an iPod? What's the point of a mac? Whats the point of a Newton? Whats the point of Pippin? What's the point of Lisa? Whats the point of iPhone?
It's trendy. It's branded. Apple fans are loyal to the brand. They are itching to buy something with an Apple logo for their entertainment center.
Also I like tivo too, but it's not high def. Unless you bought a high def one, and those sure aren't cheaper than AppleTV. I've never used it's movie service, does it sell HD content to HD tivos? Not that I need it, I can get it on 360.
I should have qualified "no more useful than 360 wrt video"
I also should have noted that the 360 costs just as much. And the hard drive on the appletv isn't much bigger, 40 gig isn't much when you're talking HDTV movies at 7-9 gigs-ish each (based on my 360 marketplace experience).
Also, Apple doesn't say (they never do... PART OF THEIR HIP MYSTIQUE!!). I see one single lonely USB port on the back. Can that be to attach storage, or just for iPod syncing? I know I stuck a fat-formatted 80 gig usb drive filled with wmv files into my 360 and they play fine. The wmv-only is my only gripe with the 360 (its a big one, though).
Are you supposed to have all your purchased video on your Mac (sold seperately), and leave it running non-stop?
They way underdelivered here. I mean, REINVENTED HOW I WATCH TV.
Ford doesnt make cars, they run a failing health-care coop. I think they run a little auto business on the side, though.
But you can't compare to this guys situation. We've all seen computer bugs. Anyone whos worked with reports has seen bugs.
If there had never, ever in the history of reporting, been any sort of computer bug - then maybe they'd be out of line asking the programmer they hired to check code to do his job.
To be truthful, I don't see any sort of "blame" in the article. Just a troubleshooting process.
You will never hear a bank admit to making a mistake. You're unlikely to hear an insurance company admit to one either.
If one day the computer glitches and puts 20,000 in your checking account, they'd let you keep it rather than admit a mistake that could cause a run on the bank, or other investor panic.
Why do you think "bank error in your favor" is a monopoly card?
Don't assume they're lying. There's a problem somewhere. Experience has told them (and myself as a developer of products heavily reliant on reporting) that the problem is more likely in the software, than the type of paper stock they used in the printer.
If the problem isn't the reporting algorithims, it's in the data - maybe you need to check validation on the front end.
Do you always get so defensive about these things? I doubt it's a vast right-wing conspiracy.
I'm going to move to germany, who are progressive enough to allow muslims to beat their wives, becuase the Koran says it's OkEeDokee.
What a bunch of cowards. That's how afraid they are of the islamic world, a judge will rule it's OK for a muslim man to abuse his wife - rather than offend the muslims.
Just like the cowards in Minnesota, who wont revoke the licenses of muslim cab drivers who refuse to pick up the blind, in blatant opposition to the ADA.
Cowardice disguised as PC. Terrorism is real, and has worked.
Quit blaming Bush for all of the countries problems, because you're too cowardly to point at the real problem.
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Unless the whole thing is staged to generate nerd-rage on slashdot.
/. and linux.com in general.
What proof is there that this event ever happened? I know that HP is pretty hated around
Here's a story: I called novell support, the guy called me a "faggot" and told me to "go fuck myself". I called Apple to order an iPhone and they told me the same thing. They also said the holocaust was a lie! Boycott Apple please.
If she squawked up the chain, she'd get a new keyboard.
They have that policy because once some guy installs "random distro", and the wifi, or some other device "stops working", there's no way to troubleshoot that over the phone.
I wind up with that problem myself. It's hard with linux to know if the hardware has failed, the drivers have a bug, if they're configured incorrectly - or simply don't work at all. Especially when you're talking about that NDIS-wrapper crap.
I have a machine taht will randomly freeze up X - you can still ssh in, but X freezes. I dunno - is this X, nvidia's drivers, or the card? I dunno. Works fine in windows, so at least I ruled out the last option. I found a thread somewhere pointing to it being a bug. Like I said, I dunno.
Solution? Have a windows partition, even if it's on an old 3 gig drive - to be able to prove it's hardware that failed.
I'd like to reference her objects IF U KNOW WHAT I MEAN heh heh heh
I wonder if she likes it in the back end, or front.. Her java apps, that is..
heh heh heh
too many double entendres
AM I RITE GUYS?
u know what i'm talkin about
Roflcopter
(aw come on the story was just askin for it)
I was considering them, now I know they'll suck.
Back in the day when I called up their support with a problem, and mentioned I was using an OpenBSD box as a firewall/gateway the response was: 'cool!'
Actually, would you believe that last night a comcast rep came to my door. They'd had some problems the last 6 months in my community, so he went door to door giving us all a rate cut, free digital and a free movie channel to compensate. I hadn't any problems, but hey - free.
We talked for a bit, he asked what kind of computer I had. I told him I'd set up a linux router/vpn gateway, and he said "cool". I mentioned that the tuner in my new HDTV was already picking up OnDemand feeds, and he didn't believe me, so I showed him a skinimax flick on 87.3 which was being rewound to show the same nipple over and over. He laughed, and said "cool" again, and mentioned that it'll probably be a long while before they get around to encrypting those feeds.
I still think comcast sucks a fat nut. Just because some rep said "cool" doesn't mean they are.
Speakeasy's policies won't be so fast and loose in the future. Best Buy sucks.
Most of the shit on the list is cuban corps and websites.
The list is 50+ years old, and has nothing to do with 9-11.
These are all foreign nationals and do not have any inherent right to do business in the US.
If you apply for any sort of credit they'll ask for proof of citizenship/residency and bypass this list. If you can't provide either, sucks to be you. Apply for credit in Iran.
Also, nobody has ever been jailed for selling a fucking sandwich to the wrong guy. That's just FUD.
Ok, so some 12 year old asshats are upset that I beat them in Halo, so they "pretext" (lie) to get into my account.
What sort of penalties could they face? None, I would think.
Forget all that online multiplayer stuff, it's easier to have real friends.
Yeah, you must be right.
My treo just confuses the hell out of me.
And everyone I see with a vcast phone is some kind of super genious. America's literati.
Of course, YOU HAVENT EVEN SEEN AN IPHONE YET. It's a little presumptous to assume it's "easier to use" than my Treo. People wonder why I hate Apple fans so much, it's dumb shit statements like that.
Simplicity? Sure, I bet it doesn't have a fraction of the functionality my treo does, and I'd shit myself if I could code my own apps for it like I can with what I have now.
Will there be much freeware for the iPhone? Will I be able to run ssh, vnc, etc, like I do with my Palm-based treo? Can it run NES/Gameboy/SMS/TG16 emulators?
The cost of staying "trendy" isn't worth it.
Apples products should be subsidized heavily, if not given away free.
What is AppleTV, if not an iTunes franchise attached to my TV? This iPhone, iPod, iEverything - they're all interfaces to Apple's store, much (or most, if not all) of their functionality depends on my sending Jobs my credit card information.
I don't need iTunes in my pocket. I don't need (or want) it at all.
Let's discuss Apple and their product line, behind the thin veil of a "tech discussion".
I know I'm going to throw away all my iPods when the iPhone comes out. I've already thrown away my Tivo, VCR, DVD Player, Xbox, PS2, cable box, and 40" LCD screen, because Apple has their own TV now!
Now that Apple has a phone that can play an mp3 - AN IMPRESSIVE TECHNOLOGICAL ACCOMPLISHMENT! I mean, my god - a phone playing mp3s? What will they think of next!
You are all asshats. If vcast/treo/etc (every fucking phone plays mp3s) didn't kill the market for a standalone player, why would iPhone? There's an enormous market of people who like music, and dont want a new cell phone. Most people just take the phone thats free with the service.
Who the fuck would rent an iPod?
Apple would love it, though, as you can force phones into obsolescense, while the iPod can do its thing until the shitty build quality rears its head.
Gentoo just crapped its pants on me in the middle of an "emerge -uD world", and now the box is borked. Won't boot, not even in single user mode. Reinstallation is a multi-day affair. Fuck that. At least you can flatten and rebuild a windows box in an afternoon.
But boy is it secure, it cant even spawn a tty.
You're a tool, and elitists super-compu-geniouses like you are the reason people stay away from linux by association. Typing make in /usr/src/linux and watching it compile does not make you an expert.
No, the windows "power user" is not confused by linux. HE RECOGNIZES LINUX AS INFERIOR FOR HIS NEEDS, and already has a working solution on his desktop. Why would he give a fuck about unga bunga lunix?
Now I know why you slashbots are always whacking off about it in here.
I thought you were just a bunch of nerds the whole time, I apologize.
Hey Linux, SHOW US YER TITS!!!! Woooo
You cant force objectionable material onto a certain domain, because when it comes to define what porn is, nobody seems to know.
You could make it optional, it'd then serve as nothing more than a sort of marketing gimmick for porn sites. I don't see what the problem is there.
I've tried tversity. It's ok, some video I threw at it froze it up, making me go downstairs to restart it - I could weed out those bad files though.
You still cant seek, fast forward or rewind anything but wmv. That sucks, but if you just want to watch a movie "theater style", I guess it's better than nothing.
I'd be happier when (if) it gets ported to linux, and I could run it as a service. I don't leave my desktop on all the time.
I'd be happiest if MSFT just let you playback divx/xvid. Hell, I'd be happy if it could stream MPEG2-TS from a windows PC (it can from Media Center, but not XP?), it'd be trivial to set up a system to download tivo recordings, peel off the DRM, and watch it on the 360.
I've got a few xboxes, used ones are cheap. I'll mod those and stick them on all my TVs, they do everything I want - too weak to playback past 720p, but I'll live.
XBox live marketplace is my go-to for HD content though, I'm finding it pretty convenient and easy to use. I'm pretty interested to see what they do with IPTV as well.
Remember all that energy we aren't supposed to be wasting?
Last I heard, F@H was a feel-good novelty that is doubtful to ever produce any meaningful results.
XBox 360 does exactly what you just described (renting shows/movies).
Dude.
It's Apple.
Whats the point of an iPod? What's the point of a mac? Whats the point of a Newton? Whats the point of Pippin? What's the point of Lisa? Whats the point of iPhone?
It's trendy. It's branded. Apple fans are loyal to the brand. They are itching to buy something with an Apple logo for their entertainment center.
Also I like tivo too, but it's not high def. Unless you bought a high def one, and those sure aren't cheaper than AppleTV. I've never used it's movie service, does it sell HD content to HD tivos? Not that I need it, I can get it on 360.
I should have qualified "no more useful than 360 wrt video"
I also should have noted that the 360 costs just as much. And the hard drive on the appletv isn't much bigger, 40 gig isn't much when you're talking HDTV movies at 7-9 gigs-ish each (based on my 360 marketplace experience).
Also, Apple doesn't say (they never do... PART OF THEIR HIP MYSTIQUE!!). I see one single lonely USB port on the back. Can that be to attach storage, or just for iPod syncing? I know I stuck a fat-formatted 80 gig usb drive filled with wmv files into my 360 and they play fine. The wmv-only is my only gripe with the 360 (its a big one, though).
Are you supposed to have all your purchased video on your Mac (sold seperately), and leave it running non-stop?
They way underdelivered here. I mean, REINVENTED HOW I WATCH TV.
Ford doesnt make cars, they run a failing health-care coop. I think they run a little auto business on the side, though.
But you can't compare to this guys situation. We've all seen computer bugs. Anyone whos worked with reports has seen bugs.
If there had never, ever in the history of reporting, been any sort of computer bug - then maybe they'd be out of line asking the programmer they hired to check code to do his job.
To be truthful, I don't see any sort of "blame" in the article. Just a troubleshooting process.
Moronic. Turns out it's not that much more useful than my Xbox 360, and infinitely less useful than a hacked xbox media center.
I mean OH MY GOD APPLE I LOVE THIS YOU HAVE REINVENTED MY TV! It now has YOUR STORE ATTACHED TO IT!
You will never hear a bank admit to making a mistake. You're unlikely to hear an insurance company admit to one either.
If one day the computer glitches and puts 20,000 in your checking account, they'd let you keep it rather than admit a mistake that could cause a run on the bank, or other investor panic.
Why do you think "bank error in your favor" is a monopoly card?
Don't assume they're lying. There's a problem somewhere. Experience has told them (and myself as a developer of products heavily reliant on reporting) that the problem is more likely in the software, than the type of paper stock they used in the printer.
If the problem isn't the reporting algorithims, it's in the data - maybe you need to check validation on the front end.
Do you always get so defensive about these things? I doubt it's a vast right-wing conspiracy.
They are so racist, and hate muslims.
I'm going to move to germany, who are progressive enough to allow muslims to beat their wives, becuase the Koran says it's OkEeDokee.
What a bunch of cowards. That's how afraid they are of the islamic world, a judge will rule it's OK for a muslim man to abuse his wife - rather than offend the muslims.
Just like the cowards in Minnesota, who wont revoke the licenses of muslim cab drivers who refuse to pick up the blind, in blatant opposition to the ADA.
Cowardice disguised as PC. Terrorism is real, and has worked.
Quit blaming Bush for all of the countries problems, because you're too cowardly to point at the real problem.