You mean in Soviet Russia, Microsoft sells Balmer?
Actually that's quite an interesting idea.
Corporations alredy view labor as a resource that is accounted, can be outsourced if necessary, etc. On the other hand, people increasingly depend on corporations for health care and other "life" things. Why not let corporations directly own the labor the employees put in? Make it a commodity you can put a price on and buy and sell freely.
It's already done in pro sports: teams own, and buy and sell players every season.
Well, maybe this is more suitable to America than Soviet Russia;-)
The 24-bit audio sampling resolution probably (I'm no expert either) has more to do with the capabilities of the internal audio hardware, not the instruction set of the CPU nor some pipeline or bus widths. But I'm not sure what's the story with all-digital (without any analog conversions) software-only audio handling; that should be pretty much pure math and only limited by the CPU.
... to manipulate the screen on his office computer from a booth at a local diner. As he lingered for hours over burgers and fries, he could actually open windows and move documents around...
It has happened in the past that video cards downgraded Quake 3 quality to do better in benchmarks
Supposing you refer to the ATI "Quack 3" phenomenon, I seem to recall it was never proven that it wasn't just a bug; when the image quality error was fixed in a later driver, speed didn't decrease. (So the original benchmarked driver didn't gain any speed from the error.) It may well be that ATI got a bad name for nothing but a bug.
(On other points I'll just sit back and enjoy your conversation...)
Erm, so what? I was just answering to the poster who thought the compiler should be included in the name of an OS, and I answered that maybe not. (And in this case it -- "GNU" -- already gets mentioned among the other tools, anyway.)
No that I give a damn, really. All I wanted was suggest that Linux/GNU is more logical than GNU/Linux. *shrug*
That's not too surprising. Intel has been making memory chips longer than microprocessors. It's still a significant business for them. Can expect to find Intel memory in lots of places.
(IIRC, the Intel 4004 team sold the microprocessor concept to the Board by pointing out that manufacturing and selling CPU chips will increase the sales of their memory chips, Intel's then breadwinner.)
If your point was "AMD chips in there -- so what?", I agree:-) (As it hardly indicates anything else, especially about Apple's CPU affairs and decisions...)
But I bet the commercial distro vendors are very happy that the big public has just one easy name for everything you mentioned. "GNU/Linux" on the retail box would confuse those buyers who don't want to know anything beyond "I point and click, right?" of the OS, and the vendors know that.
Ditto with giants like IBM and HP. They're happy to pack all the hype into just one simple buzzword.
Those are some reasons to call a complete operating system Linux. Maybe not "good" reasons, but existing reasons anyway.
Moreover, I don't think "strictly rational and logical" has quite been the invariable norm in the long tradition of software project names. Write this "Linux OS" incident off as another case of hacker humor;-)
For my part I wonder why it's "GNU/Linux" instead of "Linux/GNU".
When you think of the constitution of an OS, you first have the kernel, then the tools, then the GUI/DE. Isn't this the more logical order of listing them than vice versa? Kinda from the root up, so to speak.
In the same vein, "Linux/GNU/KDE", if one wants to go that far, and "HURD/GNU", and so on.
Anyway... maybe "Debian GNU/Linux" can look more natural than "RedHat GNU/Linux" just because Debian is for techies anyway;-)
Just for clarification, is it 3.06/800? The 3.06(6) speed comes from 133 * 23, but the new 800 (200 quad pumped) FSB part should be 200 * something = nice round figure. (Increments of half a factor = 100 MHz.)
Of course there are no 233 MHz DDR (466 MHz effective) DIMMs available. I meant 133 MHz DDR but somehow made a typo and managed to happily continue with it through the rest of the thought:-P
[To match a single 450 MHz DDR (900 MHz effective) CPU bus, you'd of course need *four* 133 MHz DDR (266 MHz effective) memory channels, 112.5 MHz DDR (225 MHz effective) not being available.]
Apologies to everyone for the waste of time. Fortunately most of that was my own.
Why not dual channel 233 DDR memory? Should satisfy a single 450 DDR CPU bus nicely.
Don't know about the dual CPU Macs, though. IBM has said PPC970 relies on its good 2-way and 4-way scalability for top performance, and Apple sure will offer (at least) a duallie PowerMac as usual, so this has to be addressed.
Maybe PPC970 CPUs are good at talking to each other and sharing L2/L3 cache (maybe 2-way is meant to use only one CPU bus anyway). Or maybe quad channel is feasible on a higher end, more expensive Mac. Or maybe RAM speed will catch up by the time PPC970 Macs appear?
AFAIK, there was a time when CIA's cover corporations (intended mainly for planting agents overseas) were called "Delaware corporations" because they were easiest to set up there.
I understand Revelation can be seen as a political pamphlet (personally I see it as John ate too many mushrooms on that island), but I fail to understand why it should refer to Nero -- it was written around 90 AD, twenty years after Nero's reign ended, when the notorious Domitianus was emperor (after Vespasianus and Titus after Nero).
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You mean in Soviet Russia, Microsoft sells Balmer?
;-)
Actually that's quite an interesting idea.
Corporations alredy view labor as a resource that is accounted, can be outsourced if necessary, etc. On the other hand, people increasingly depend on corporations for health care and other "life" things. Why not let corporations directly own the labor the employees put in? Make it a commodity you can put a price on and buy and sell freely.
It's already done in pro sports: teams own, and buy and sell players every season.
Well, maybe this is more suitable to America than Soviet Russia
[What, me off-topic?]
Ever heard of a "typo"?
(I'm not the grandparent poster.)
The 24-bit audio sampling resolution probably (I'm no expert either) has more to do with the capabilities of the internal audio hardware, not the instruction set of the CPU nor some pipeline or bus widths. But I'm not sure what's the story with all-digital (without any analog conversions) software-only audio handling; that should be pretty much pure math and only limited by the CPU.
"Ubercomputer"?
Note that it's not a direct comparison because P4's 8k L1 instruction cache contains micro-ops (organised as "traces"), not x86 instructions.
... to manipulate the screen on his office computer from a booth at a local diner. As he lingered for hours over burgers and fries, he could actually open windows and move documents around ...
This guy is probably XXL.
It has happened in the past that video cards downgraded Quake 3 quality to do better in benchmarks
Supposing you refer to the ATI "Quack 3" phenomenon, I seem to recall it was never proven that it wasn't just a bug; when the image quality error was fixed in a later driver, speed didn't decrease. (So the original benchmarked driver didn't gain any speed from the error.) It may well be that ATI got a bad name for nothing but a bug.
(On other points I'll just sit back and enjoy your conversation...)
Of course it stands for GNU.
Erm, so what? I was just answering to the poster who thought the compiler should be included in the name of an OS, and I answered that maybe not. (And in this case it -- "GNU" -- already gets mentioned among the other tools, anyway.)
No that I give a damn, really. All I wanted was suggest that Linux/GNU is more logical than GNU/Linux. *shrug*
That's not too surprising. Intel has been making memory chips longer than microprocessors. It's still a significant business for them. Can expect to find Intel memory in lots of places.
:-) (As it hardly indicates anything else, especially about Apple's CPU affairs and decisions...)
(IIRC, the Intel 4004 team sold the microprocessor concept to the Board by pointing out that manufacturing and selling CPU chips will increase the sales of their memory chips, Intel's then breadwinner.)
If your point was "AMD chips in there -- so what?", I agree
Am I the only one using KDE/GNU/Linux/Award?
Award rules! I love my Award!
But aren't the GNU tools compiled with GCC too, and isn't the GCC compiled with GCC?
;-)
Looks like a loop if we don't draw the line at the binaries (or "post compile"). That's what I assumed, I guess.
To put it another way, in a distro we won't consider how it was made, but just what's in it
Good points as such.
;-)
But I bet the commercial distro vendors are very happy that the big public has just one easy name for everything you mentioned. "GNU/Linux" on the retail box would confuse those buyers who don't want to know anything beyond "I point and click, right?" of the OS, and the vendors know that.
Ditto with giants like IBM and HP. They're happy to pack all the hype into just one simple buzzword.
Those are some reasons to call a complete operating system Linux. Maybe not "good" reasons, but existing reasons anyway.
Moreover, I don't think "strictly rational and logical" has quite been the invariable norm in the long tradition of software project names. Write this "Linux OS" incident off as another case of hacker humor
For my part I wonder why it's "GNU/Linux" instead of "Linux/GNU".
;-)
When you think of the constitution of an OS, you first have the kernel, then the tools, then the GUI/DE. Isn't this the more logical order of listing them than vice versa? Kinda from the root up, so to speak.
In the same vein, "Linux/GNU/KDE", if one wants to go that far, and "HURD/GNU", and so on.
Anyway... maybe "Debian GNU/Linux" can look more natural than "RedHat GNU/Linux" just because Debian is for techies anyway
Cool idea, but the case looks like a regular Lian-Li to me. Well, maybe they had to modify the motherboard tray or something?
Just for clarification, is it 3.06/800? The 3.06(6) speed comes from 133 * 23, but the new 800 (200 quad pumped) FSB part should be 200 * something = nice round figure. (Increments of half a factor = 100 MHz.)
Insert Soviet Russia joke here.
He probably followed Yo-yo Ma...
Hey, the team != the big audience.
;-)
Eloki's reference to "professionalism" was that Keith should have played ball with the rest of the team while he was still part of it.
It wasn't that one shouldn't acid test ideas before taking them to the big audience...
(Actually, the rest of the XFree86 team would seem sufficiently jaded, bitter, and hard-nosed for just that
So perhaps the bullshit call was unwarranted. I find the rest of your comment insightful, though.
Oh sheesh, didn't have my head screwed on.
:-P
Of course there are no 233 MHz DDR (466 MHz effective) DIMMs available. I meant 133 MHz DDR but somehow made a typo and managed to happily continue with it through the rest of the thought
[To match a single 450 MHz DDR (900 MHz effective) CPU bus, you'd of course need *four* 133 MHz DDR (266 MHz effective) memory channels, 112.5 MHz DDR (225 MHz effective) not being available.]
Apologies to everyone for the waste of time. Fortunately most of that was my own.
Why not dual channel 233 DDR memory? Should satisfy a single 450 DDR CPU bus nicely.
Don't know about the dual CPU Macs, though. IBM has said PPC970 relies on its good 2-way and 4-way scalability for top performance, and Apple sure will offer (at least) a duallie PowerMac as usual, so this has to be addressed.
Maybe PPC970 CPUs are good at talking to each other and sharing L2/L3 cache (maybe 2-way is meant to use only one CPU bus anyway). Or maybe quad channel is feasible on a higher end, more expensive Mac. Or maybe RAM speed will catch up by the time PPC970 Macs appear?
What's next for codenames? (Leaving aside brand names such as Athlon, Duron, Opteron.)
;-)
K6 was AFAIK nothing but numerals: K6, K6-2, K6-3...
K7 has been horses: Thunderbird, Morgan, Thoroughbred, Palomino, Barton...
K8 has been tools: Hammer, Clawhammer, Sledgehammer...
What's in for K9?
Dogs?
AFAIK, there was a time when CIA's cover corporations (intended mainly for planting agents overseas) were called "Delaware corporations" because they were easiest to set up there.
;-)
Gives a nice twist to the domination theory
Thank you for the compliment. While I admit the system is indeed badly managed ;-)
At least the Mad Cow viral campaign in the UK was a nationwide success.
(-1 Redundant but I couldn't resist.)
I understand Revelation can be seen as a political pamphlet (personally I see it as John ate too many mushrooms on that island), but I fail to understand why it should refer to Nero -- it was written around 90 AD, twenty years after Nero's reign ended, when the notorious Domitianus was emperor (after Vespasianus and Titus after Nero).