> On the other hand, I'm sorry, but the Lotus Notes selection model is one of > the most frustratingly stupid things I've ever encountered in my life. > Almost every other piece of software follows the old click-first-item, shift- > click-last-item model. (Or ctrl-click individual items.)
Actually this is exactly what Notes 8 does, and if you read the link provided you would see that the user community for Notes has asked that they reconsider going back to the older model as that was preferred by more users.
However, you make a good point as to ways the"standard" model you suggest is better. Nonetheless just because you happen to like this method doesn't mean everyone else does.
TiVo users are freeloading? Blocking ads is theft? Please.
This whole thing is such BS. I love websites who try to say that you have some kind of agreement with them to see the ads. See here's the thing. I don't get to see this supposed use policy or agreement until after I have visited the site. I have to go there to see it.
Thus it has no standing. There is absolutely NO requirement for me to view ads. I have not entered into any agreement with any website or TV network which compels me under penalty of anything to view ads.
Having said that, I understand their situation. They need to generate income to help fund the site. I get that. However, even if you think you can say that by using the site I agree to view ads in some "policy" or t&c... I would laugh at you. You don't put up a splash page that says I have to agree to this before I see the page (which would be utterly stupid) - so to see this thing I supposedly agreed to, I would have to dig into your site to find it. LOL
Yea nice try.
The fact is that the majority of folks won't block ads, so they'll still get revenue in some way.
I don't believe all IP Telephony solutions are by default vulnerable to this type of attack. As others have said it also assumes the system is some kind of skype derivitive or whatever, that isn't what one would call an enterprise class IP Telephony solution.
Take for example the deal I am working with now, from 3Com where there are gateways that connect the IP Telephony solution to POTS. In effect my System i running Linux is back behind the POTS gateway and thus isn't really open to the internet per se. Although of course it could be, and it would certainly be connected to my ip network.
I suppose if folks are using soft phones on some random network somewhere and they aren't properly secured etc that something could get through but then again this assumes that the system on the back end is open to that attack.
I don't see this doomsday scenario becoming a serious reality in the near future, but then again anything's possible.
Granted there are a few keystroke shortcuts which are different, but otherwise the UI looks like a Windows app. And I stare at it all day.
The menu bar is where it should be (unlike default in IE7) etc. Otherwise, in terms of the look of it I don't see how it is all that non-standard. If you're looking at APIs & such remember that Notes is also a dev environment and you can create db apps for it, unlike say Exchange.
Besides, how many MS apps ignore standards and do what they want....oh wait that's the whole OS.
How a comment like that scores a 4 - Insightful? How pathetic of a mod up is that.
Ok now with that out of the way, so tell me the last release of Notes you used? Or are you just trolling like the rest of the Notes-hater brigade?
K.
Yep. I also love that in many cases they haven't used Notes since maybe R3 or 4 but proudly proclaim that Notes sucks. My home PC is roughly the specs the fellow indicated (P4, 3.4GHz) and I see about what you do on open & close time. Go to my work ThinkPad, which isn't the speediest unit out there (X40 1.2GHz PentM) and it goes up.
I can count on half of one hand how many times Notes 6 & 7 has crashed on me this year, and that counts me using it at work 8+ hrs a day and also at home for my personal mail.
I will gladly don my fireproof suit here for what I will say next.
Use IBM Lotus Notes/Domino and you would not have this problem with mailbox size. This Exchange crap of oh well we'll give you 2GB mailboxes in 2007 LOL what a crock.
We have Domino mail dbs well over 2GB today and have for years.
Of course you can pick many other mail systems too, but my focus is IBM, so there ya go.
All fine & good however, the years long spin has been that it threatens airline navigation. This has always been presented as a given regardless of the substantive lack of evidence.
So now the FAA & FCC are investigating. Gee only taken how long?
Having said that though, I have no desire to sit and listen to someone chat on the phone for the duration of a 3 hour flight. Thanks be to iPod.
While I agree that having some degree of smarts in the browser is a good thing, what has annoyed me the most is that you could go out and validate your CSS and STILL have it display differently in nearly every browser you try.
Thus why I didn't go to table-less designs in favor of CSS rendered positioning. It simply doesn't work consistently enough. Then you also have the issue of dealing with backlevel browsers as not everyone is going to be at the latest release of everything.
While there are some crap web developers out there the fact is you end up going to the lowest common denominator in order to make things work the best for the largest possible audience, and that is completely based on how the browsers are rendering the page.
There are the strict CSS & HTML camps out there which is all fine & good but the real bottom line is that this goes both ways. Neither the web developer nor the browser maker sides are entirely in the right here.
And let me ask when you last used Notes/Domino? And by the way its been called that for some time now.
You can go ahead and not work for a Domino shop, fine by me. By the way, Notes has a new message button, a send button just like nearly every other mail app. Oh and by the way it does a heck of alot more than Exchange could ever dream of.
You might want to check your email server logs. It seems that 95%+ of the businesses we deal with are running Exchange.
It might be 95% of who you deal with but that isn't the shape of the marketplace itself. Fact is that MS and Lotus (with a few small players out there otherwise) are very close to one another, depending on who just got that big migration deal from the other that day.
I would also argue that many companies run Exchange because they just haven't bothered to consider what else is out there. Somehow it became a default choice, which is pretty pathetic.
And in the immortal words of Office Space: "F@$k'n A."
They did this with blank media (CD, tape) and have wanted to implement something similar on every possible device that can store digital content. I also recall there are fees attached to the home stereo component CD recorders, DAT recorders etc. as well. Those fees never applied to CD burners (not originally anyway) which were inside computers, as they were seen as data devices only.
As I see it, Universal et al have no right or entitlement to royalties on these devices. None whatsoever. In fact I would even go so far as to say they have no right to decide what devices the music can play on via licensing. Time and format shifting have long been a part of fair use. Although of course the media folks don't usually believe fair use in any form really exists. They are getting paid by Apple to be able to have the files on iTunes. There's your compensation Universal, deal with it.
I won't dismiss entirely the notion that some folks would have pirated music on their iPods, sure it is possible, but levying this "tax" just goes back to what amounts to making all customers out to be pirates, regardless of how they get their music.
This is one of the reasons I thought about turning to a law profession, focusing on technology issues.
As we can see from a few posts already the "you're with us or..." folks the OP indicated, are indeed present. However, as I see it you really do have to look at the greater good.
There is no question in my mind that the dude is scum, I think we'd agree there. However, it is up to the state to put a good case together to convict. There are plenty of laws written where we have to look at the spirit of the law vs the letter of the law. This is a very significant point.
In this case, the defense could have and likely did indicate that IMs are not electronic mail. They would also be entirely correct, or at best they can challenge that the term is vague. Personally I do not believe that the term is entirely vague, but from a legal perspective could use a bit more clarity to be sure we get at what we mean. They could have, and likely should have said "electronic means" which would indeed cover both e-mail and IM. It would also include blogs, phone, whatever.
I do wish the absolutist folks would take a chill pill on these things and see it for what it is. We can't just go around saying "all or nothing" it doesn't work that way. Law doesn't work that way in particular. Justices are indeed there to interpret what the legislature has passed, and so there is some degree of latitude on some things but when we're in this type of deal, they're setting precident, and that means quite a lot in law.
If this scumbag really should not have been convicted on that first charge based on the letter of the law. However, the justice setting precident that email includes IM can be dangerous. The answer should be to the legislature, you need to go re-write this law.
What needs to be understood is that this is Microsoft's - and especially Steve Ballmer's MO. Not much different than that infernal Mark Cuban. They spout off in the press and the moronic masses believe them - why? Well because they are who they are and no other reason. No proof, nothing to backup a claim, just lay down your crap and walk away to let it stir.
That is all Ballmer is doing here, no more, no less. He's trying to lay the groundwork for doubt in Novell's motivations to sign up, thinking everyone will just go along with him because, well he is who he is and most folks have no clue about anything in this arena.
Yep me too, and I can tell you that today you don't need to be a proficient programmer to properly admin a system. No student should ever be told that if you're going into IT then you MUST be a programmer. There are too many facets of the business to suggest that.
Certainly there are some things you can possibly do better, especially automation etc but my point is that it is not a prereq for getting into IT. The message is both sets of skills are required and they don't have to be in the same person.
I have known dozens of guys who were programmers who did not have the slightest clue how to properly configure a system for optimal performance or heck even how to manage output, users etc.
This assumes that coding is what every child needs to do to be an IT professional. This is of course in the "real world" of enterprise IT, a flawed view.
If the kid wants to code then they'll find a way to do it. Personally however, I run into more folks who can't admin an enterprise system for crap but act like they can. Folks with attitude because they code. Woo hoo, good for you. Being a programmer isn't a prereq to being in IT.
Give me a qualified sysop who knows how to deal with performance tweaking, planning, migrations, backups etc...and how to kill off that app when the programmer screws up. ; )
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> On the other hand, I'm sorry, but the Lotus Notes selection model is one of
> the most frustratingly stupid things I've ever encountered in my life.
> Almost every other piece of software follows the old click-first-item, shift-
> click-last-item model. (Or ctrl-click individual items.)
Actually this is exactly what Notes 8 does, and if you read the link provided you would see that the user community for Notes has asked that they reconsider going back to the older model as that was preferred by more users.
However, you make a good point as to ways the"standard" model you suggest is better. Nonetheless just because you happen to like this method doesn't mean everyone else does.
K.
TiVo users are freeloading? Blocking ads is theft? Please.
This whole thing is such BS. I love websites who try to say that you have some kind of agreement with them to see the ads. See here's the thing. I don't get to see this supposed use policy or agreement until after I have visited the site. I have to go there to see it.
Thus it has no standing. There is absolutely NO requirement for me to view ads. I have not entered into any agreement with any website or TV network which compels me under penalty of anything to view ads.
Having said that, I understand their situation. They need to generate income to help fund the site. I get that. However, even if you think you can say that by using the site I agree to view ads in some "policy" or t&c... I would laugh at you. You don't put up a splash page that says I have to agree to this before I see the page (which would be utterly stupid) - so to see this thing I supposedly agreed to, I would have to dig into your site to find it. LOL
Yea nice try.
The fact is that the majority of folks won't block ads, so they'll still get revenue in some way.
LOL Insightfull? Mod +2? LOL I should expect little else on /.
So now what was the last version of Notes you used by chance? Just curious.
When I saw this topic appear I just had to do a search on the page since I knew the anti-Notes trolls would be out in force.
How predictable. No creativity.
K.
Ahh yes because YouTube's only content stream are clips from copyrighted television shows and clips with music which is copyrighted by Viacom.
Because you know us peons are totally incapable of creating any content that doesn't include their copyrighted stuff.
Viacom, yes you might have issues with YouTube but really get off the soapbox.
K.
Agreed R3/4 wasn't the best stuff going. But...you HAVE to check out Notes/Domino 8. Huge reinvestment in the UI side of the house.
This is more like she managed to defend her right to criticize by proving at least per the judge that her claim had merit.
It is only defamation if the claim is false, and you don't have to go out and seek permission to criticize.
K.
I don't believe all IP Telephony solutions are by default vulnerable to this type of attack. As others have said it also assumes the system is some kind of skype derivitive or whatever, that isn't what one would call an enterprise class IP Telephony solution.
Take for example the deal I am working with now, from 3Com where there are gateways that connect the IP Telephony solution to POTS. In effect my System i running Linux is back behind the POTS gateway and thus isn't really open to the internet per se. Although of course it could be, and it would certainly be connected to my ip network.
I suppose if folks are using soft phones on some random network somewhere and they aren't properly secured etc that something could get through but then again this assumes that the system on the back end is open to that attack.
I don't see this doomsday scenario becoming a serious reality in the near future, but then again anything's possible.
K.
Granted there are a few keystroke shortcuts which are different, but otherwise the UI looks like a Windows app. And I stare at it all day.
The menu bar is where it should be (unlike default in IE7) etc. Otherwise, in terms of the look of it I don't see how it is all that non-standard. If you're looking at APIs & such remember that Notes is also a dev environment and you can create db apps for it, unlike say Exchange.
Besides, how many MS apps ignore standards and do what they want....oh wait that's the whole OS.
K.
You will also notice how many of the anti-Notes posts are modded up. Funny and pathetic all in one!
K.
It has send, new, forward, reply....and what exactly else makes it bad compared to others?
Detail please? Inquiring minds want to know!
K.
How a comment like that scores a 4 - Insightful? How pathetic of a mod up is that. Ok now with that out of the way, so tell me the last release of Notes you used? Or are you just trolling like the rest of the Notes-hater brigade? K.
Yep. I also love that in many cases they haven't used Notes since maybe R3 or 4 but proudly proclaim that Notes sucks. My home PC is roughly the specs the fellow indicated (P4, 3.4GHz) and I see about what you do on open & close time. Go to my work ThinkPad, which isn't the speediest unit out there (X40 1.2GHz PentM) and it goes up.
I can count on half of one hand how many times Notes 6 & 7 has crashed on me this year, and that counts me using it at work 8+ hrs a day and also at home for my personal mail.
K.
Remember though, this is /. and Notes bashing is the thing to do here.
K.
I will gladly don my fireproof suit here for what I will say next.
Use IBM Lotus Notes/Domino and you would not have this problem with mailbox size. This Exchange crap of oh well we'll give you 2GB mailboxes in 2007 LOL what a crock.
We have Domino mail dbs well over 2GB today and have for years.
Of course you can pick many other mail systems too, but my focus is IBM, so there ya go.
Notes haters, flame away.
K.
All fine & good however, the years long spin has been that it threatens airline navigation. This has always been presented as a given regardless of the substantive lack of evidence.
So now the FAA & FCC are investigating. Gee only taken how long?
Having said that though, I have no desire to sit and listen to someone chat on the phone for the duration of a 3 hour flight. Thanks be to iPod.
K.
While I agree that having some degree of smarts in the browser is a good thing, what has annoyed me the most is that you could go out and validate your CSS and STILL have it display differently in nearly every browser you try.
Thus why I didn't go to table-less designs in favor of CSS rendered positioning. It simply doesn't work consistently enough. Then you also have the issue of dealing with backlevel browsers as not everyone is going to be at the latest release of everything.
While there are some crap web developers out there the fact is you end up going to the lowest common denominator in order to make things work the best for the largest possible audience, and that is completely based on how the browsers are rendering the page.
There are the strict CSS & HTML camps out there which is all fine & good but the real bottom line is that this goes both ways. Neither the web developer nor the browser maker sides are entirely in the right here.
K.
And let me ask when you last used Notes/Domino? And by the way its been called that for some time now.
You can go ahead and not work for a Domino shop, fine by me. By the way, Notes has a new message button, a send button just like nearly every other mail app. Oh and by the way it does a heck of alot more than Exchange could ever dream of.
K.
It might be 95% of who you deal with but that isn't the shape of the marketplace itself. Fact is that MS and Lotus (with a few small players out there otherwise) are very close to one another, depending on who just got that big migration deal from the other that day.
I would also argue that many companies run Exchange because they just haven't bothered to consider what else is out there. Somehow it became a default choice, which is pretty pathetic.
K.And in the immortal words of Office Space: "F@$k'n A."
They did this with blank media (CD, tape) and have wanted to implement something similar on every possible device that can store digital content. I also recall there are fees attached to the home stereo component CD recorders, DAT recorders etc. as well. Those fees never applied to CD burners (not originally anyway) which were inside computers, as they were seen as data devices only.
As I see it, Universal et al have no right or entitlement to royalties on these devices. None whatsoever. In fact I would even go so far as to say they have no right to decide what devices the music can play on via licensing. Time and format shifting have long been a part of fair use. Although of course the media folks don't usually believe fair use in any form really exists. They are getting paid by Apple to be able to have the files on iTunes. There's your compensation Universal, deal with it.
I won't dismiss entirely the notion that some folks would have pirated music on their iPods, sure it is possible, but levying this "tax" just goes back to what amounts to making all customers out to be pirates, regardless of how they get their music.
K.
A viable competitor to Exchange/Outlook is and has been available for quite some time, Lotus Domino.
There are plenty of client options in that environment as well to make a migration as painless as possible.
K.
This is one of the reasons I thought about turning to a law profession, focusing on technology issues.
As we can see from a few posts already the "you're with us or..." folks the OP indicated, are indeed present. However, as I see it you really do have to look at the greater good.
There is no question in my mind that the dude is scum, I think we'd agree there. However, it is up to the state to put a good case together to convict. There are plenty of laws written where we have to look at the spirit of the law vs the letter of the law. This is a very significant point.
In this case, the defense could have and likely did indicate that IMs are not electronic mail. They would also be entirely correct, or at best they can challenge that the term is vague. Personally I do not believe that the term is entirely vague, but from a legal perspective could use a bit more clarity to be sure we get at what we mean. They could have, and likely should have said "electronic means" which would indeed cover both e-mail and IM. It would also include blogs, phone, whatever.
I do wish the absolutist folks would take a chill pill on these things and see it for what it is. We can't just go around saying "all or nothing" it doesn't work that way. Law doesn't work that way in particular. Justices are indeed there to interpret what the legislature has passed, and so there is some degree of latitude on some things but when we're in this type of deal, they're setting precident, and that means quite a lot in law.
If this scumbag really should not have been convicted on that first charge based on the letter of the law. However, the justice setting precident that email includes IM can be dangerous. The answer should be to the legislature, you need to go re-write this law.
K.
What needs to be understood is that this is Microsoft's - and especially Steve Ballmer's MO. Not much different than that infernal Mark Cuban. They spout off in the press and the moronic masses believe them - why? Well because they are who they are and no other reason. No proof, nothing to backup a claim, just lay down your crap and walk away to let it stir.
That is all Ballmer is doing here, no more, no less. He's trying to lay the groundwork for doubt in Novell's motivations to sign up, thinking everyone will just go along with him because, well he is who he is and most folks have no clue about anything in this arena.
K.
Yep me too, and I can tell you that today you don't need to be a proficient programmer to properly admin a system. No student should ever be told that if you're going into IT then you MUST be a programmer. There are too many facets of the business to suggest that.
Certainly there are some things you can possibly do better, especially automation etc but my point is that it is not a prereq for getting into IT. The message is both sets of skills are required and they don't have to be in the same person.
I have known dozens of guys who were programmers who did not have the slightest clue how to properly configure a system for optimal performance or heck even how to manage output, users etc.
K.
This assumes that coding is what every child needs to do to be an IT professional. This is of course in the "real world" of enterprise IT, a flawed view.
If the kid wants to code then they'll find a way to do it. Personally however, I run into more folks who can't admin an enterprise system for crap but act like they can. Folks with attitude because they code. Woo hoo, good for you. Being a programmer isn't a prereq to being in IT.
Give me a qualified sysop who knows how to deal with performance tweaking, planning, migrations, backups etc...and how to kill off that app when the programmer screws up. ; )
Teach that in our universities.
K.
..but not much of a surprise in that data. DSLRs mostly in the top 10. I am a 20D user myself.
K.