> Believe me, the last thing some poor special > agent wants to do is sift through TBs of > customer crap and put a company out of business > or under financial hardship.
The first page of posts are arguing about the meaning of "punter".
Christ,/. nerdies, get a life!
Is it possible somebody might actually have something to relate about the ARTICLE (not that anybody actually read it of course, even though it was posted - this IS/., after all, I mean, c'mon, really, READ THE ARTICLE? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!)?
Or the sorry state of tech support - in fact, customer support in general - in this country?
Or are we just jacking off?
I used to do support for a Bank of America in-house-developed cash management package for Fortune 1000 treasury managers. I actually tried to do my job. I once spent seven-and-a-half hours straight on the phone recovering a customer's data (they never backed up, natch) for a month when they lost it. Got a written letter of commendation from the customer.
So what happened? Due to idiocy on the part of the Bank's managers, the package was trashed, everybody was laid off, and I got fired for blowing up at my supervisor (no unemployment, thanks).
What does it all mean? (In the words of Mr. Miracle, "Don't mean sheeiiitttt!") It means corporate America could care less about its employees, its customers, or anything else except the individual manager's own income and authority.
Which is a direct result of human nature.
So I guess we just accept it. 'Cause it ain't gonna change. Ever.
While you have a point, the fact that some worms are not designed to do certain things is irrelevant. They COULD have been designed to do those things, so they should be counted as security breaches.
A lot of Linux hacks might well be done by "true" hackers with no criminal intent. Should we throw those out?
The study's methodology is flawed, its conclusions unsupported by the stated facts.
For the record, I am not convinced Linux is invulnerable to viruses or any other malware, let alone managed attacks. But to suggest Linux is more vulnerable than Windows to such is clearly not true. Windows may be more vulnerable, or the two may be equally vulnerable, but there is no evidence in this study that Linux is more vulnerable.
Throwing out scores of thousands of Windows viruses and then attributing their prevalence to "market share" just doesn't cut it.
This is just more of the same crap as the "Cold War" and nuclear weapons - a way to extort money from taxpayers to pay to corporate executives who contribute money to political campaigns (and bribes).
These things aren't built to be USED - they're built to be paid for and for career-boosting.
If it weren't for tax-paying suckers, none of it would exist.
The CEO of Diebold promises to deliver his state to George Bush in 2004.
Another voting machine company is a front for the CIA.
And none of the machines by anybody can be audited, despite the fact that every other financial industry machine made by the same companies is auditable.
It's not WINE, it's a WINE-like method of wrapping the native Windows NTFS driver so Linux can use it.
The only writing done is via the Windows native driver.
I haven't heard anything bad about Captive yet (which is not to say there might not be any) and there are testimonials on the developer's Web site that it works.
Watch as Chow Yun-Fat makes the desperate decision to switch to Linux and is forced to outrun a horde of crazed/. Windows trolls with the help of a beautiful programmer named Perl. Can he beat the tools - and we mean tools - of the world's richest man with the help of OSS?
The idea that "someone" (the ubiquitous "Al Qaeda"?) is going to go to the trouble of creating an open source project - and one that is very useful to a government agency - and specifically an agency with something useful in it to disrupt or steal - build it up for several years - then control how the government gets the source so they don't see an exploit - then use it to do - what?
Try Googling for the Promis software and see how this really works.
The Department of Justice rips off a software firm, then lets Osama and Saddam get hold of the software.
THAT'S how the government is threatened by software.
Any idiot saying open source is a threat to national security is a fucking Microsoft troll, I don't care what his supposed OSS "credentials" are. That, or he's simply an idiot.
The article is about Linux on the desktop, the headline of the submission was about Linux exceeding Mac on the desktop - and the first six thousand posts are about why Macs are better than Linux and Windows.
Here's the bottom line of the article:
Mac stay at 3% of the market. Linux climbs to at least twice that (and I suspect that is seriously lowballed by IDC given the rate of Linux evolution).
Apple eventually switches to running Linux.
The only reason Macs still exist is because Jobs put a sexy new case on them a few years ago, added a better OS and ramped up marketing. Otherwise Apples would be where Atari is now - gone.
The bottom line hasn't changed. A closed hardware architecture cannot compete with Intel in the marketplace and a proprietary OS (which doesn't have the dominate marketshare at the moment) cannot compete with Linux.
Everything else is trolls, religion, and flamebait.
Actually I didn't read the article closely until I did see the Mainsoft products mentioned in posts.
It's STILL funny. Microsoft regularly makes deals with companies, then steals their code and forces them into bankruptcy (like that cell phone software maker a while back). Now they get hit in reverse. That's funny to me.
And real-world computer experience counts. Unfortunately, the age bias in IT is so extreme, programmers over 40 have almost no hope of being employed.
The leaked code includes 30,915 files and was apparently removed FROM A LINUX COMPUTER USED BY MAINSOFT FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! They're using a Linux box to write Windows-compatible code? Or maybe it's their CVS server?
My real question is:
Has anybody examined the Windows code to see HOW BAD IT IS? I mean, with all those 24-year-old Windows programmers Bill hires, I'd like to see the code quality.
If you're a frequent Prada shopper (and who on/. isn't?), the loyalty card in your wallet or purse contains a RFID tag that announces your arrival in the store...
>Socialism, when properly implemented, guarantees >a job for everybody...
at one tenth the wages of other systems.
And as long as you support the government in power. (When you figure out how to implement socialism without a government, call me - and prepare to prove it.)
And ruins the economy to boot.
Austrian economic theory has proven socialism to be totally unworkable for decades now.
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> Believe me, the last thing some poor special
> agent wants to do is sift through TBs of
> customer crap and put a company out of business
> or under financial hardship.
Bullshit. The FBI could care less.
And by the way - fuck Texas.
The first page of posts are arguing about the meaning of "punter".
/. nerdies, get a life!
/., after all, I mean, c'mon, really, READ THE ARTICLE? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!)?
Christ,
Is it possible somebody might actually have something to relate about the ARTICLE (not that anybody actually read it of course, even though it was posted - this IS
Or the sorry state of tech support - in fact, customer support in general - in this country?
Or are we just jacking off?
I used to do support for a Bank of America in-house-developed cash management package for Fortune 1000 treasury managers. I actually tried to do my job. I once spent seven-and-a-half hours straight on the phone recovering a customer's data (they never backed up, natch) for a month when they lost it. Got a written letter of commendation from the customer.
So what happened? Due to idiocy on the part of the Bank's managers, the package was trashed, everybody was laid off, and I got fired for blowing up at my supervisor (no unemployment, thanks).
What does it all mean? (In the words of Mr. Miracle, "Don't mean sheeiiitttt!") It means corporate America could care less about its employees, its customers, or anything else except the individual manager's own income and authority.
Which is a direct result of human nature.
So I guess we just accept it. 'Cause it ain't gonna change. Ever.
While you have a point, the fact that some worms are not designed to do certain things is irrelevant. They COULD have been designed to do those things, so they should be counted as security breaches.
A lot of Linux hacks might well be done by "true" hackers with no criminal intent. Should we throw those out?
The study's methodology is flawed, its conclusions unsupported by the stated facts.
For the record, I am not convinced Linux is invulnerable to viruses or any other malware, let alone managed attacks. But to suggest Linux is more vulnerable than Windows to such is clearly not true. Windows may be more vulnerable, or the two may be equally vulnerable, but there is no evidence in this study that Linux is more vulnerable.
Throwing out scores of thousands of Windows viruses and then attributing their prevalence to "market share" just doesn't cut it.
Also consider the term "Microsoft tools".
(And we do mean "tools".)
Second that.
"Stand on Zanzibar", "The Jagged Orbit", "Shockwave Rider" - excellent. Cyberpunk years before Gibson had a clue.
Ever see the movie "Spies Like Us?"
This is just more of the same crap as the "Cold War" and nuclear weapons - a way to extort money from taxpayers to pay to corporate executives who contribute money to political campaigns (and bribes).
These things aren't built to be USED - they're built to be paid for and for career-boosting.
If it weren't for tax-paying suckers, none of it would exist.
Like Smokey the Bear...
Or Tux the Penguin...
Oh, wait...
How about a packrat?
I mean, most downloaders don't even play half the stuff they download and damn sure wouldn't pay money for it...
Where have you been?
The CEO of Diebold promises to deliver his state to George Bush in 2004.
Another voting machine company is a front for the
CIA.
And none of the machines by anybody can be audited, despite the fact that every other financial industry machine made by the same companies is auditable.
You think?
It's not WINE, it's a WINE-like method of wrapping the native Windows NTFS driver so Linux can use it.
The only writing done is via the Windows native driver.
I haven't heard anything bad about Captive yet (which is not to say there might not be any) and there are testimonials on the developer's Web site that it works.
No we don't. You're fibbing to the man.
> which can be controlled with injections
The injections for humans are chocolate, booze and pot.
Someone once said, "Love is for animals. Only humans can truly appreciate lust."
The sequel to "The Replacement Killers"!
Coming to a deCSS^H^H^H^H^H theater near you!
Watch as Chow Yun-Fat makes the desperate decision to switch to Linux and is forced to outrun a horde of crazed
Or are we just jacking off? (Ooops, wrong movie.)
The idea that "someone" (the ubiquitous "Al Qaeda"?) is going to go to the trouble of creating an open source project - and one that is very useful to a government agency - and specifically an agency with something useful in it to disrupt or steal - build it up for several years - then control how the government gets the source so they don't see an exploit - then use it to do - what?
Try Googling for the Promis software and see how this really works.
The Department of Justice rips off a software firm, then lets Osama and Saddam get hold of the software.
THAT'S how the government is threatened by software.
Any idiot saying open source is a threat to national security is a fucking Microsoft troll, I don't care what his supposed OSS "credentials" are. That, or he's simply an idiot.
This whole discussion is a waste of time.
Liz Taylor just bought it.
Or was that Liz Hurley?
Can't keep my Lizzies straight anymore.
The article is about Linux on the desktop, the headline of the submission was about Linux exceeding Mac on the desktop - and the first six thousand posts are about why Macs are better than Linux and Windows.
Here's the bottom line of the article:
Mac stay at 3% of the market. Linux climbs to at least twice that (and I suspect that is seriously lowballed by IDC given the rate of Linux evolution).
Apple eventually switches to running Linux.
The only reason Macs still exist is because Jobs put a sexy new case on them a few years ago, added a better OS and ramped up marketing. Otherwise Apples would be where Atari is now - gone.
The bottom line hasn't changed. A closed hardware architecture cannot compete with Intel in the marketplace and a proprietary OS (which doesn't have the dominate marketshare at the moment) cannot compete with Linux.
Everything else is trolls, religion, and flamebait.
Have a nice day.
> they build the best integrated product.
That was the operative sentence. Wintels are not "integrated" in the same sense - let alone Linux which can't even get drivers for half the hardware.
So why compare a tightly controlled architecture to PCs? Should I compare an IBM mainframe to an Apple for this reason?
Now mod THIS up as insightful.
> Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio
> is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter
> Griffin, *Family Guy*
That would be Jodie Foster - she's the only woman to ever admit having slept with him. And since everybody thinks she's gay, nobody believed her.
Actually I didn't read the article closely until I did see the Mainsoft products mentioned in posts.
It's STILL funny. Microsoft regularly makes deals with companies, then steals their code and forces them into bankruptcy (like that cell phone software maker a while back). Now they get hit in reverse. That's funny to me.
And real-world computer experience counts. Unfortunately, the age bias in IT is so extreme, programmers over 40 have almost no hope of being employed.
I think they mean somebody hit the "Escape" key and Windows did what it always does - lost it.
The leaked code includes 30,915 files and was apparently removed FROM A LINUX COMPUTER USED BY MAINSOFT FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! They're using a Linux box to write Windows-compatible code? Or maybe it's their CVS server?
My real question is:
Has anybody examined the Windows code to see HOW BAD IT IS? I mean, with all those 24-year-old Windows programmers Bill hires, I'd like to see the code quality.
Shouldn't that be:
SELECT * FROM All_USERS WHERE LAST_NAME = 'FOOL';
?
If you're a frequent Prada shopper (and who on /. isn't?), the loyalty card in your wallet or purse contains a RFID tag that announces your arrival in the store...
This is called Microsoft Update.
Don't forget to read the EULA.
Gad, that almost makes me want to give up free software...
Nothing worse than a moralizing moralist.
I'd rather have a straight-up bully.
>Socialism, when properly implemented, guarantees
>a job for everybody...
at one tenth the wages of other systems.
And as long as you support the government in power. (When you figure out how to implement socialism without a government, call me - and prepare to prove it.)
And ruins the economy to boot.
Austrian economic theory has proven socialism to be totally unworkable for decades now.
You read up.