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FBI Anti-Piracy Seal

Supp0rtLinux writes "Looks like the FBI is giving a new anti-piracy seal for entertainment and software products. Looks like now the RIAA and MPAA pursuits will add a new federal level to future prosecutions." I'm pretty sure that our forms of media already contain warnings against unauthorized duplication, rebroadcasting, and public performance, but now it's in logo form!

419 comments

  1. Not a big deal.. by SoIosoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not like anyone paid attention ever to the FBI warnings at the beginning or end of VHS tapes.

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    1. Re:Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was the point was to add another warning because we are all to stupid to realize it's technically illegal to copy stuff..."it would aid in the prosecution of piracy rings by ensuring a particular work's status as copyright-protected could not be disputed"

    2. Re:Not a big deal.. by BillyBlaze · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've seen those FBI warnings on DVDs as well as tapes. The funny part is that, judging from their image quality, I'd guess they were copied from VHS!

    3. Re:Not a big deal.. by Josh+Booth · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...and I use MPlayer for DVDs.

      (Note: MPlayer has no seek/fast foreward restrictions)

    4. Re:Not a big deal.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      Back in the day (early 80s) we'd copy whole tapes, FBI warning and all. Didn't seem to scare us teenage evildoers.
      Hmm.. someone's at my door.

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    5. Re:Not a big deal.. by cyt0plas · · Score: 4, Funny

      I noticed. I spent half an hour, trying to remove the restrictions from mplayer before I realized they weren't there in the first place.

      Gotta love open-source. Why add a useless feature like User Option Prohibitions, when people would just remove it anyway? Why give people a reason to fork?

      Guess I'm getting too accustomed to the "bend over and take it" method of software distribution.

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    6. Re:Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      A more effective FBI seal would be
      "This music contains no enterment values for your dollars. Buy something else."

    7. Re:Not a big deal.. by fermion · · Score: 1

      I agree. If abusing the DVD standards to force us to watch certain section of the programming, including the FBI warning, commercials, and cheesy grade school quality animation, has not prevented us from violating copyright, how stupid must our government agencies be to think a logo will do the trick.

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    8. Re:Not a big deal.. by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Funny

      I used to spice the FBI warning onto home movies just as a goof.

      wbs.

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    9. Re:Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "It's not like anyone paid attention ever to the FBI warnings at the beginning or end of VHS tapes."

      You are probably one of those desporadoes who tear the tag off their mattress!

    10. Re:Not a big deal.. by nihilogos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but we won't be able to fast-forward through them on a DVD. I rented a DVD the other night that wouldn't let me skip the previews, which is reason enough to go get a pirated copy.

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    11. Re:Not a big deal.. by jmorris42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Back in the day (early 80s) we'd copy whole tapes, FBI warning and all.

      Of course you copy the FBI warning! Only a half-assed pirate would leave off the FBI warning. Copying the warning was my way of saying "Hell yes I know this is technically illegal, but screw em anyway."

      Like copying a tape from the rental shop is somehow EVIL and taping from HBO is different? Personally I draw the line at assholes selling bootleg tapes, but even then I don't think it is always EVIL. Selling bootlegs of titles that are not (and usually never will be) available through legit channels just doesn't seem wrong. Copyrights should not be allowed to be used to suppress a work. (example: Disney and _Song of the South_)

      But I would like to be able to hack my DVD player to allow me to skip the damned thing, especially FOX titles that force it down your throat before the opening menu will come up. But I bought a good Japanese name brand deck that can't be flashed. On the other hand the picture is very good (compared to the el cheapo Chinese stuff from Apex, etc.) so I guess I won't bitch too loud.

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    12. Re:Not a big deal.. by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      Forget those warnings - how am I supposed to know when a ballgame is over, if the broadcaster doesn't have to go into the "any rebroadcast of this telecast requires the express permission of (MLB, NFL, NHL, etc.)" spiel???

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    13. Re:Not a big deal.. by homeobocks · · Score: 0

      FIRE IN THE HOLE! INCOMING LAWYERS!! You always knew your actions would catch up to you, and land you a possible fine of up to $250,000 and up to 5 years in prison. You pretended that you thought they were lying.

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    14. Re:Not a big deal.. by notque · · Score: 2, Funny

      Forget those warnings - how am I supposed to know when a ballgame is over, if the broadcaster doesn't have to go into the "any rebroadcast of this telecast requires the express permission of (MLB, NFL, NHL, etc.)" spiel???

      When the broadcaster says, "The final score..." might be a clue.

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    15. Re:Not a big deal.. by dbc001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think it's intended as a deterrent. It's ammo for MPAA lawyers. If there is an FBI warning on every DVD, it's difficult to say "i didn't realize it was wrong" when you get to court.

    16. Re:Not a big deal.. by Savatte · · Score: 1

      what seasoning did you use

    17. Re:Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Old Splice.

    18. Re:Not a big deal.. by sulli · · Score: 1

      This is reason enough not to go to Blockbuster. The smaller stores don't have those crappy for-rental DVDs - they have the real kind that you buy, which don't have previews.

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    19. Re:Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny? This is quite serious. I spent half an hour grepping for UOP, prohibitions, disable, etc. Finally, I gave up in desperation and on a whim just clicked fast forward. It worked.

    20. Re:Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've often heard this thign about the mattresses, but I've never really understood it. I'm from europe, and maybe our mattresses are different. I dunno. Why can't you remove the tag from the mattress?

    21. Re:Not a big deal.. by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      Back in the day (early 80s) we'd copy whole tapes, FBI warning and all. Didn't seem to scare us teenage evildoers.

      The Chinese bootlegs usually have that too. Sometimes thay have a high quality FBI warning and a preview which makes you think that you have a DVD dupe if you check it in the shop. Then you get home and find that the actual movie is camcorder video, complete with rustling chip packets, caughing and shadows.

    22. Re:Not a big deal.. by Xaymot · · Score: 1

      So does this mean that the FBI is going to sing some type of helpful rhyme or limric before each song or CD? That would be sweet. Maybe they can get that "Don't copy that floppy!" guy that did the computer games PSA a while back. That guy can slang some rhymes.

    23. Re:Not a big deal.. by Library+Spoff · · Score: 1

      doesn't the `menu` button work to get by the trailers?

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    24. Re:Not a big deal.. by Nick+Harkin · · Score: 1

      I'm also in the UK, so I'm not sure, but I think the US matteresses (sp?) have 'it is illegal to remove this tag', and nothing else....... Or maybe a fire warning, written on a tag at the end.

    25. Re:Not a big deal.. by JET+666 · · Score: 1

      i guess it would add flavor

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    26. Re:Not a big deal.. by JET+666 · · Score: 1

      it is more to keep people from selling used mattresses(or mattresses made from resued matterl(sp)) as new. i rember a news report about finding some "fluids" in "new" mattresses.

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    27. Re:Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Milhouse: Remember Alf, Bart? He's back...in POG form!

  2. wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by Sergeant+Beavis · · Score: 0, Insightful

    it doesn't do a damn thing to catch terrorist. You'd think they had more importaint things to do like prevent another 9/11.

    Oh well, just remember to duck and cover.

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    1. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'd think they had more importaint things to do like prevent another 9/11.

      I hate this line of thinking. As though an organization only focuses on one thing at a time. "I guess they don't have more important things to do." As though deciding to put out an anti-piracy logo consumed 100% of their resources and manpower. They probably hired some marketing company to do it anyway.

    2. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, The man said that preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority. So it looks like they'll spend more time chasing 12 year old "pirates" before they start looking for the next John Gotti, or kidnappers, or other "real" criminals.

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    3. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by telstar · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "it doesn't do a damn thing to catch terrorist. You'd think they had more importaint things to do like prevent another 9/11."
      • If the FBI were to only focus on one problem, the law breakers would know exactly which laws they could get away with breaking.
    4. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by segment · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It's not that the FBI isn't trying, there are a lot of good people with good intentions, you apparently don't understand the background of agencies who have thier hands tied by their bosses. Take for instance Case ID 199I-WF-213589 ... The feds were looking into ties between al Qaeda, UBL, WAMY and the Saudi's (pre 9/11) and were told to drop it. So what do you think they do?

      Put yourself in their position, you're working for what you believe is the right cause, you do as your told, and you glide into a pension after service moving into the private sector afterwards. Bottom line.

      As for the sticker... Means nothing and yes you can attribute piracy in some form to illegal activities. Although you see this from a downloading-does-no-evil perspective, fact is there are organizations that make money off of these things, and yes they can somehow can intertwined with terrorism. For example, out here in NYC where tax free bootleg cigarettes are the rage for those looking to make a quick buck, do you think Joe Blow average is bringing in truckloads to sell them to lower level sellers? Sure people run off to Indian reservations to buy and resell, but it's not an uncommon notion to think how easy it would be to make some mega black market cash to fund something more sinister.

      So while the typical /.'er trolls along thinking about how evil this is, I personally think this was done to appease those with money making noise (RIAA), and as a means of saying "We're watching you", beyond that I doubt if the FBI is going to run around and arrest little Jack Horner for trading songs with Little Bo Peep, but rather would focus on factories who do this on a mass scale. Then again this is my perception of it all, and I am definitely not one to be an expert solely one who looks at things from a different angle. And in case anyone has forgotten, a law is a law is a law. Like it or not.

    5. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by notque · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I hate this line of thinking. As though an organization only focuses on one thing at a time. "I guess they don't have more important things to do." As though deciding to put out an anti-piracy logo consumed 100% of their resources and manpower. They probably hired some marketing company to do it anyway.

      So what percentage of money/time do you feel is valid in creating a symbol that is widely ignored, and ineffective?

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    6. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by telstar · · Score: 1
      "Well, The man said that preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority. So it looks like they'll spend more time chasing 12 year old "pirates" before they start looking for the next John Gotti, or kidnappers, or other "real" criminals."
      • Not only do cybercrimes have the potential to endanger lives (think air-traffic controller or military computers), but they also stand to do more damage to our economy (think jobs ... remember what that is?). The number of John Gottis and kidnappers is small compared to the number of people committing cybercrimes on a daily basis. Not that a logo is going to prevent many of the cybercrimes, but cybercrimes covers a vast number of crimes.

    7. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by notque · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only do cybercrimes have the potential to endanger lives

      So the highly unlikely possibility of death makes cybercrimes the 3rd priority of the FBI.

      Terrorism would be number 1, so would murder, or serial rapists be number 4?

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    8. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...but cybercrimes covers a vast number of crimes.

      Therein lies another problem. They're painting this with a very broad brush, like terrorism. They can tack on huge sentences for the most trivial of violations, simply because it falls under the category of cybercrime or terrorism. I understand your point about safety related issues, but we're talking about money here. Hardly a valid point compared to murder, rape, assault, etc. They've put corporate profits ahead of all these.

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    9. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by fermion · · Score: 1
      That's fair. Then let's say that they should be using these resources to hire better screeners to interview agents so they do not end up with embarrassing occasional agent that is a thief, child molester, or spouse abusers, or murderer, or plain traitor.

      It seems to me that insuring an agency of the highest moral values ranks much higher than producing meaningless logos.

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    10. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So what percentage of money/time do you feel is valid in creating a symbol that is widely ignored, and ineffective?"

      It depends on whether or not its holographic. Those are cool. They should come out with new ones every month so that it becomes a kind of collectible, sort of a value add that could act as an incentive to purchase whatever it's on rather than pirate it. Perhaps they could take that value add idea further with other things as well. But one thing at a time.

    11. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by notque · · Score: 1

      It depends on whether or not its holographic.

      It's holographic? Why didn't you say so?

      I'm all for that. Just make them limited edition!

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    12. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, murder would be priority 0. The FBI doesn't prosecute murderers, the states do, you dumb fuck.

      No, wait, maybe "prosecuting people who conspired to commit murder across state lines" should be the FBI's #1 priority!

      Dumb fuck.

    13. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Well, The man said that preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority. So it looks like they'll spend more time chasing 12 year old "pirates" before they start looking for the next John Gotti, or kidnappers, or other "real" criminals.

      According to the FA: "criminal copyright infringement is punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of $250,000." I think you can murder someone and have a lesser punishment than that.

    14. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by grendel_x86 · · Score: 1

      Indeed, and it takes less to convict you of &copy infringement.

      Now if murderers, rapists, etc cut into the 'profits' that people claim they loose over piracy (which has been proven a lie) we will see some action taken agains them.

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    15. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by MullerMn · · Score: 2, Funny

      You'd think they had more importaint things to do like prevent another 9/11.

      I know the FBI is a powerful agency, but do they really have the ability to stop dates occurring? And more importantly, if they do manage it, what will come after the 10th of September each year? Will they change the 10th so that it has 48hrs? A 10th of September, part 2?

      Enquiring minds want to know.

    16. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by Kirth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Terrorism would be number 1, so would murder, or serial rapists be number 4?

      Are you crazy? Number 4 is of course "consumption of illicit drugs".
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    17. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by Nerd4News · · Score: 1

      "Oh well, just remember to duck and cover."

      And wrap your house in plastic and duct tape.

    18. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by strike2867 · · Score: 1

      a law is a law is a law. Like it or not.

      Laws are written by people. Laws are meant to be changed and broken. They are just a reflection of what the current society believes in. In the Inca tribe, ritual human sacrifice was completely normal. Now we say its against the law. And besides thats what the Supreme Court does. It rules on whether laws are legal or not.

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    19. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      • a law is a law is a law. Like it or not.
      Fuck you too, buddy.
    20. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by arose · · Score: 1
      According to the FA: "criminal copyright infringement is punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of $250,000." I think you can murder someone and have a lesser punishment than that.
      Remember kids, don't download your music and movies from Kazaa. Shoplift.
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    21. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by bonch · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, a security advisory dated today states there is an exploit in kernels up to 2.4.24 and 2.6.2

      What do you think I was referring to in my sig?

    22. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All laws are legal by definition.

      Not all laws are constitutional.

    23. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      And wrap your house in plastic and duct tape.

      I'm willing to try that just to keep the melting snow from seeping into my basement and damaging my equipment and furniture.

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    24. Re:wooooooo, so neat and pretty.....too bad by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Yes, and given how few actual arrests have been recorded in the RIAA's mass-lawsuit fiasco, I have to believe the the Federal, State and local law enforcement officials themselves feel they have better things to do that go after minor bits of copyright infringement. Granted, the RIAA and the MPAA may truly believe that the copying of their media (even the legal kind, such as permitted by fair-use exceptions) should be punishable by slow death from fire ants, but the truth is that the Feds just really aren't that interested. I mean, how much karma the average prosecutor going to gain by nailing Joe Downloader? Not much, I wager.

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  3. Yeah, great marketing.... by 0mni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great now anyone who buys a cd will have to listen to a 40 year old man tell you to report piracy. It almost makes me want to get piranted cds more that way.

    1. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by bonch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's the point of this article? I have a feeling it was only posted so all the pirating Slashdotters can make fun of it. "But they already have one, it's called (c)." "Will I have to update the warning logos on my burned movies now?"

      I don't see how it's newsworthy. They're acknowledging that illegal piracy is becoming a big trend amoung the younger kids and so want to keep the reminder out there that it is against the law by putting up a logo.

      I remember software of the early 90s displaying big red text boxes with SPA anti-piracy hotline numbers and everything upon program exit. Try starting up Doom/Doom 2 sometime and see the warning text as the game loads!

    2. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by cyt0plas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      IIRC, the number was 1-800-388-PIR8

      Google makes it look like I do remember correctly.

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    3. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like those stupid ads in the movie theatres telling you that you should pay to see a movie and not copy it.

      DON'T YOU THINK YOU MAY BE TARGETTING THE WRONG AUDIENCE? YOU KNOW? THE PEOPLE WHO PAID FOR THE TICKET?! (no free pass trolls pls kthx)

      I cause a ruckus every movie I see and my gf tells me to shutup...

    4. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1
      Great now anyone who buys a cd will have to listen to a 40 year old man tell you to report piracy.

      Yeah, those 40 year old punks are so irritating. Oh, to be 40 again....

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    5. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by sbrown123 · · Score: 1


      I have a feeling it was only posted so all the pirating Slashdotters can make fun of it.


      Where are all those pirate Slashdotters you keep ranting about? Most people I hear on Slashdot generally are against music and software piracy.


      I don't see how it's newsworthy.


      What were you wanting on a slow news day? What burning news piece should be posted?

    6. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      WITH that copyright warning at least you are sure it is a copy of another DVD.

      Much rather that, than a recording made in the cinema!

      Wouter.

    7. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, those 40 year old punks are so irritating. Oh, to be 40 again....

      It's good to see that I'm not alone here. Of course it is kind of pathetic that we're here.

    8. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by letdownjournals · · Score: 3, Funny

      Word to the wise... If you want to keep that girlfriend, stop shouting at the movie screen.

      That kind of thing tends to be a dealbreaker in relationships.

    9. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by Ledora · · Score: 1

      This is why me and my friend sneak into movies.... They don't seem to be telling us that is illegal so we do it instead of the HORRIBLE crime of downloading a so-so quaility pirate

    10. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't shout at the screen, shout at your girl and make her understand how that message is redundant. You wouldn't want a girlfriend that doesnt understand redundancy. Please send her to me, so that I can explain to her about vibrators and how you are also redundant.

    11. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by shigelojoe · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least he's not one of those guys who yells at the characters to "watch out for the guy behind the door".

      At least, I hope not.

    12. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I yell, "SHIT, I forgot my camcorder."

    13. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by sbrown123 · · Score: 1

      Please learn english.


      Phrasal Verb:
      hear
      To get a letter, telephone call, or transmitted communication from.

    14. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by the+real+darkskye · · Score: 1
      Where are all those pirate Slashdotters you keep ranting about? Most people I hear on Slashdot generally are against music and software piracy.

      No no, you've got it wrong, most slashbots are against the music and software industry
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    15. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by japhmi · · Score: 1

      They're acknowledging that illegal piracy is becoming a big trend amoung the younger kids and so want to keep the reminder out there that it is against the law by putting up a logo.

      Not only that, but I got confused at the title, thinking not 'seal' as in logo, but 'seal' as in the marine mammal. You know, maybe 'wally the seal says "don't copy CDs boys and girls!"'

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    16. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please acquire a sense of humor

    17. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by smyle · · Score: 1
      Try starting up Doom/Doom 2 sometime and see the warning text as the game loads!

      I don't have my copy of Doom with me (coincidentally enough), but wasn't it when you quit the game that it gave the spiel? Along with something to the effect of "If you don't register, it's funny how hard drives can get, you know, erased and all." ...or am I thinking of a different game?

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    18. Re:Yeah, great marketing.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to say this but I dont get your humor either.

  4. On EVERY DVD? by r_glen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not just cut to the chase and arrest people the moment they buy the movie?

    1. Re:On EVERY DVD? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Funny

      The ones who buy the DVD are okay. It's the ones who look at the cover picture, and then put the DVD back on the rack that they're concerned about in this round...

    2. Re:On EVERY DVD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how this was modded as 'funny', that is basicaly what they are doing.

  5. Update? by JBG667 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So does that mean that I have to update the warnning message on all my downloaded movies?

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  6. Doesn't hurt me by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a label.
    It spells out explicitly that the product is covered by copyright and it also specifies the maximum penalty for violation of the copyright.

    No harm, no foul.

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    1. Re:Doesn't hurt me by Quobobo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fair enough, but if this is similar to what's already on DVDs (forced to sit there and look at it without modified software/hardware), then there is a problem. When I pay for something, I don't want a lecture on not pirating it.

      That said, if it's unintrusive and quick (or just on the packaging), then I have no problem.

    2. Re:Doesn't hurt me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like it is a sticker on the outside of the shrinkwrap.

    3. Re:Doesn't hurt me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More to the point, why is the FBI spending money on propaganda that is attached to private goods for sale to the general public?

      These are not like health warnings on cigarette packs; these are threats with the weight of government put on packaging at the request of the entertainment monopoly.

      It stinks. It makes the FBI look like hired enforcers. Can I get an FBI label to put on my car saying "The FBI says Grand Theft Auto is a bad thing"?

      If the MPAA/RIAA wants warning stickers, they should make their own, and not use FBI logos and its implicit authority to intimidate people.

    4. Re:Doesn't hurt me by ratamacue · · Score: 1

      Exactly. This only serves to make government a little bit more expensive, a little bit more wasteful, and a little bit more ubiquitous. Of course, when your revenue is simply taken by force, waste is profit.

      (Consider the simple business model of government: you confiscate wealth from some people, you distribute some of it to other people, and you keep the rest for yourself.)

    5. Re:Doesn't hurt me by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

      It stinks. It makes the FBI look like hired enforcers.

      Well, they are. Might as well call a spade a spade.

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    6. Re:Doesn't hurt me by smyle · · Score: 1
      "The FBI says Grand Theft Auto is a bad thing"

      Obviously the FBI has never played it, then. It's a great game!

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    7. Re:Doesn't hurt me by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      It stinks. It makes the FBI look like hired enforcers. Can I get an FBI label to put on my car saying "The FBI says Grand Theft Auto is a bad thing"?

      I dunno ... I know a couple of FBI guys and they think Grand Theft Auto III is a great game. One of them gave me a copy.

      --
      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  7. Permission by Luigi30 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh my god... A LOGO! I think I'm gonna pause... and then keep going. I mean, come on. You have that stuff there. All a logo's gonna do is make people glance at it, then copy it. ESRB anyone?

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    1. Re:Permission by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if they also embeded the logo as a watermark; just so it's there even if you copy it.

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      "If anything can go wrong, it will." - Murphy

    2. Re:Permission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with this logo is most pirates won't see it. Only those who own the original product will see it, the rest who had aquired it off the net wouldn't know it was ever around. The original distributors will see it, but if they cared at all we wouldnt have this problem in the first place.

  8. This existed long before the DMCA... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

    There's been an "FBI WARNING!!!" on videotapes since the 1980s. CDs, holding music or software, deserve the same level of copyright protection, so why not?

    If you haven't gotten the clue that digitally sharing the latest thing that came out of Hollywood isn't the smartest idea by now, where have you been?

    1. Re:This existed long before the DMCA... by Xzzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > deserve the same level of copyright protection, so why not?

      That's why this logo is stupid, printing a silly message is NOT protection. It's just a scare tactic.

    2. Re:This existed long before the DMCA... by pla · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's why this logo is stupid, printing a silly message is NOT protection. It's just a scare tactic.

      So by the Patriot act, doesn't that make both the MPAA and the FBI technically "terrorist" organizations?

      Hmm...

    3. Re:This existed long before the DMCA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      citizen's arest, citizen's arest.

    4. Re:This existed long before the DMCA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MPAA and the FBI technically "terrorist" organizations

      No, but this does make me ask the question. How is this not racketeering?

  9. Umm... Ok by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the article:
    The seal would enable the music and movie industries to deliver on their stated belief that education is as important as enforcement in combating piracy.

    That makes no sense whatsoever, the people that control the original content are not capable of putting in little blurbs? They need an FBI seal for education purposes? Which can be stripped out just as easy as anything the RIAA/MPAA could put in....

    Riiiiggghtttt.

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    1. Re:Umm... Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which can be stripped out just as easy as anything the RIAA/MPAA could put in....

      ...or added just as easy by the bootleggers. So now only 'professional'(sic) bootleggers can make copies, not just about everyone.

    2. Re:Umm... Ok by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's so that you don't try to steal the FBI from them. They have bought and paid for federal harassment and intimidation of people that don't give them enough cash, and they don't want you to try and steal the FBI away to say, investigate a kidnapping and ransom.

      This constitutes notice that anyone who had a contractual relationship with the FBI, that it is dissolved and the FBI will only pursue actions as necessary to increase the entertainment industry's collective revenue.

      Never fear though, the Bush administration is advocating a new law enforcement agency for aiding the citizenry. Already, they have allocated $4.32 in budget through fiscal year 2006...

  10. Blue screen of theft? by jwthompson2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So will this mean that when programs load they will have a 'Blue screen of Theft'?

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  11. So the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can we get a "piracy" seal then for works whose copyright owners intend for them to be abused? Negativland should get on this right away.

  12. But it already exists by Nakito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it looks sort of like this: (C)

    1. Re:But it already exists by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, they're further with it... they've allready wedged the (C) symbol into ASCII at number 169, and also the USPTO has gotten their (R) in as ASCII number 174...

    2. Re:But it already exists by Nimloth · · Score: 1

      Well you seem to know your ASCII table pretty well, I think it's time you move on to the html entities like ©, ™ and ®.

    3. Re:But it already exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's extended ASCII (8 bits).

    4. Re:But it already exists by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you mean "ISO 8859-1"? There's always writing it out in binary and hoping people use the right code sheet.

      (define define (lambda ls `(define . ,ls)))

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    5. Re:But it already exists by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1
      they've allready wedged the (C) symbol into ASCII at number 169, and also the USPTO has gotten their (R) in as ASCII number 174...
      ASCII (ANSI X3.4-1986) doesn't have characters at code points 169 and 174. ASCII is a 7-bit code, which has character codes from 0 to 127 (decimal). If you want characters for the copyright and registered trademark symbols, you'll have to use some other character code.

      I've never heard of the USPTO making any particular effort to get the registered trademark symbol adopted as part of any standard character set.

    6. Re:But it already exists by JET+666 · · Score: 1

      hold alt hit 0169 and find out (C)

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    7. Re:But it already exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they've already wedged the (C) symbol into ASCII

      Yes, but WHEN will they define a MORSE encoding for the (C), (TM) and (R) symbols? It's so DIFFICULT to properly respect valuable Intellectual Property in Morse conversations!

      Won't somebody please THINK of the CHILDREN?

    8. Re:But it already exists by DMNT · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It's extended ASCII (8 bits).
      There is no "extended ASCII". IBM made a codepage for PC, that is ASCII-compatible (because of the first 128 characters are equal) but above that they made their own. As people outside English speaking countries know, there were different codepages shipped with MS-DOS. Those differ very much from what IBM-437 (default) was. One that was perhaps most used (excluding 437) was IBM-850. Characters like aoau still are a problem in file transfers between Linux and Windows. If they were part of ASCII, it wouldn't be so.
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    9. Re:But it already exists by greed · · Score: 1
      One that was perhaps most used (excluding 437) was IBM-850.

      ...which lives on as Windows-1252.

  13. Already federal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you were pirating across the state lines (which with most internet connections is impossible to not), it would've involved interstate law, and thus become federal.

  14. This Is A Good Thing (TM) by Pave+Low · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Some of these bootleg DVDs and CDs I see being sold on the street look almost like the real thing.

    Having this Seal of Approval would at least give me some assurance that I have bought the Authentic thing. I would feel better thinking my money has gone to the creators of of this entertainment, not to those scumbag pirates.

    We should all be grateful that the FBI is helping protect the creative individuals of America.

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    1. Re:This Is A Good Thing (TM) by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      That's why I stamp out my bootlegs seal and all. To remind you not to make copies of my copies, or I'm comin' after ya :-)

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    2. Re:This Is A Good Thing (TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the sig.

    3. Re:This Is A Good Thing (TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I initialy read it the mod was -1 troll. So I'm a little in the dark about read the sig bit.

    4. Re:This Is A Good Thing (TM) by rodgster · · Score: 1

      > Some of these bootleg DVDs and CDs I see being sold on the street look almost like the real thing.

      Is it really a good thing or a waste of time?

      Funny I've never seen anything like that on the street. Now maybe the reason I don't see it is I don't go looking for. And I'd have no idea how good or bad these fakes are. Because I don't buy them.

      Now if you're buying bootleg copies on the street, does it matter if it has this new seal on it? I wouldn't know.

      Some stupid seal on a DVD means nothing to me. I'm not concerned with renting or buying a bootleg DVD in Blockbuster, FRY's etc.

      Rodger

      --
      Who will guard the guards?
    5. Re:This Is A Good Thing (TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *scratches head*

      And bootlegers who want to look real won't just copy the FBI Seal of Approval as well....... why? They're already doing something illegal.

  15. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we know which products to boycott!

    DRM sucks

    1. Re:Great! by miu · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Now we know which products to boycott!

      These messages hurt impulse buys in my case. When I see a message like "this software contains anti-copying technology" I remember all the times I've had games fail to work because of buggy piracy protection.

      It means that I put off buying the game until it has been around long enough for users to report problems with the copy protection and the publisher to release patches. Sometimes I never get around to checking and lose interest in the game.

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      [Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
    2. Re:Great! by Kenja · · Score: 1

      So if you boycot products that carry warnings telling you that the contents are protected under copyrite law will you stop using Linux and all other products under the GPL?

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      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    3. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She probably wrote her own Operating system from scratch!

    4. Re:Great! by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      and wait long enough so there's a copy protection crack on the net so i don't have to worry about swapping cds and knowing where the hell they are.

    5. Re:Great! by AC5398 · · Score: 1

      Yep, me too.

      The logo is misleading anyway; it kind of implies that the product it has been slapped on might be pirated.

  16. /me gasps by SHEENmaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean you didn't pay attention to the FBI warning message? It's illegal to skip it!

    I hope you had expressed written permission, rather than just implied moral consent, to ignore it. If not, you could be next.

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    1. Re:/me gasps by probbka · · Score: 1

      You mean implied oral consent?

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    2. Re:/me gasps by Gherald · · Score: 5, Funny

      > You mean implied oral consent?

      Is that naughtier?

    3. Re:/me gasps by dotwaffle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Err... Illegal to skip a government document? Well, in the UK, it's completely legal to do whatever with the disc, as long as you don't copy it or alter its contents without permission. We don't have a government warning, and if it weren't for the fact that my DVD player doesn't appear to support enforced viewing (ie/ watching the adverts) then I'd certainly be hacking a PC to play the movie, or at least mashing the keys to work out how to skip the commercial when you put the disc in...

    4. Re:/me gasps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that the FBI warning can be skipped where I live since the FBI has no standing here whatsoever.

      Of course, there is a local equivalent, but thats another story.

    5. Re:/me gasps by david.given · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Err... Illegal to skip a government document? Well, in the UK, it's completely legal to do whatever with the disc, as long as you don't copy it or alter its contents without permission. We don't have a government warning, and if it weren't for the fact that my DVD player doesn't appear to support enforced viewing (ie/ watching the adverts) then I'd certainly be hacking a PC to play the movie, or at least mashing the keys to work out how to skip the commercial when you put the disc in...

      I bought my DVD player last year from ASDA. (Walmart, for the Merkins among us.) It cost me 49.95 UKP. It's a Pacific 1002.

      It's brilliant. It plays everything on all media; DVD, DVD-R, CDR, CDRW, you name it. (Haven't tried the more exotic rewritable DVD formats). I burn stuff onto VCD and SVCD and it just works. Picture quality is good, navigation is decent, it's got all the ports I want on the back. It'll play MP3 files burnt onto a CD, plus miniDVD discs.

      But I keep finding new features. Region unlockable? Open the tray, type three numbers followed by the region you want, or 0 to completely unlock it.

      One feature I discovered by accident recently: put in a DVD. It'll start playing automatically, working through the menus and those ghastly unskippable warnings. Press STOP, and the PLAY again. It'll start playing... but from the beginning of the first title. Which, in most cases, is the actual movie.

      It's quite, quite clear that the DVD player manufacturers, or at least the bottom end ones, know exactly where the money is: their customers want devices that will let them watch what they want. And what they want is not what the studios want them to watch.

      The only downsides to my shiny new DVD player are that it looks ugly, the seek time is slow (making interactive content a bit clunky --- like I care), and I can't turn Macrovision off. Which I'm surprised at.

      It's interesting to compare with a friend's more expensive Sony DVD player; it has fewer features, won't play CD-R media, isn't region code switchable, etc. It also cost about six times as much as mine, although this was a few years ago.

      Moral: cheaper is not always worse.

    6. Re:/me gasps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      First of all, you can't turn off macrovision for the simple reason that they wont get a license from that DVD consortium if they allowed that. Actually, the fact that region changing/unlocking is done in a slightly weird way instead of from the menuy is for the same reason..

      I use an apex 1100wb myself, replaced the dvd reader hardware in it, I just want its decoder and firmware..

      Out of the box it wont play vcd, wont allow region unlocking, and will enforce macrovision... however, theres tons of alternative versions of the firmware around, including versiosn to disable amcrovision, forced content viewing, regio locking... oh, and of course the alternative firmware allows you to play vcd and svcd, and even allows playing mpeg video directly from ISO format cds.

      As said, I replaced the reader hardware in it, like quite a few cheap DVD players, it turns out to use a standard atapi dvd reader, th you will have some trouble with the front cover when replacign it.

      Expensive DVD players are good for getting the most out of official DVDs, if you are into playing back your own work (or for those that insist on doing so, copied stuff) you just want to have the cheapest generic box you can get, just ensure you can get alternative firmware for it if it doesn't already do what you want it to by default.

    7. Re:/me gasps by mwood · · Score: 1

      Where does the product or its packaging say that it's illegal to skip the warning? Hmmm, maybe it's on the same sheet as that "license" the makers are always babbling about -- the one they've never given me the opportunity to sign or even read.

    8. Re:/me gasps by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Can it output to a US TV via component video, and can it be switched to US power frequency and plugs easily?

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    9. Re:/me gasps by Darth23 · · Score: 1
      My Apex that I bought years ago still amazes me. It was 'cheap' at the time, just over $100, but it has S-video out, plays VCD's SVCD's and, the real reason I bought it, Mp3-CD's.

      I became a little disappointed when it couldn't handle some 'commercial' DVDs that were really DVD-r's, but surprisingly, a firmware upgrade fixed that problem.

      My version was too new to do the Region Code removal (easily, at least) but it DOES play Region Free PAL discs with no problem. Unlike a friend's more expensive, newer, 'more advanced' DVD player.

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    10. Re:/me gasps by DraKKon · · Score: 1

      I can only remember a handful of DVD's that display the warning BEFORE the movie that you can't skip.. most of the dvd's that I own show the warning AFTER the credits.. so I rarely see 'em.. :)

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    11. Re:/me gasps by An.+(Coward) · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to compare with a friend's more expensive Sony DVD player; it has fewer features, won't play CD-R media, isn't region code switchable, etc. It also cost about six times as much as mine, although this was a few years ago.

      "Sony" is a de facto warning label. Great looking designs, but when you can go out and buy a Sony music CD, then discover that you can't rip it to a Sony music CD-R even though you're using a Sony computer and Sony CD-RW drive, that speaks volumes about what Sony thinks of the people buying their products.

    12. Re:/me gasps by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Illegal it may be, but on a lot of DVDs it's goddamn impossible to skip it. Pisses me off, actually.

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  17. a new federal level ? by forevermore · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since when is federal involvement new? Wasn't it the DMCA that added the addendum to copyright violation law saying that if the violation involved something "digital" it was an instant criminal offense, regardless of profit (which used to be the civil/criminal difference)?

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  18. more pointless jpegs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    so all my pirated releases will come with jpgs now? i can live with that. they'll just be another thing to delete like cd covers. (who really wants a cd front/back/inlay anyways?

  19. Doublespeak ... or just lies by fname · · Score: 5, Informative
    Well, the official propaganda arm of the USA, the Voice of America, has an article on the matter. I'll pull out one choice quote:
    "It allows the average citizen who rents movies or movies or software or games to understand what is correct activity and what is incorrect activity," he said. "They need to understand that there is a law involved and that law is very important, and they should abide by it."
    So, amyone want to bet that the RIAA doesn't note any of the "correct" ways we can our media, such as sharing with friends, making backup copies or selling them?

    (By the way, I know that VOA isn't really a propaganda machine in the same sense as the Bush press office is. But it sounds funny.)
    1. Re:Doublespeak ... or just lies by ajs318 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Wrong != illegal.
      Legal != correct.

      Smoking marijuana is illegal in some jurisduictions, but it is not wrong.
      Closed source software is not illegal in many jurisdictions, but it is wrong.

      Sex with a 15yr, 364day-old is illegal in some jurisdictions and will probably lead to you being branded a paedophile.

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    2. Re:Doublespeak ... or just lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sex with a 15yr, 364day-old is illegal in some jurisdictions and will probably lead to you being branded a paedophile

      in the US, that would only be legal in South Carolina - though the state does have a bill pending moving the age up to 16 from 14

    3. Re:Doublespeak ... or just lies by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      "Smoking marijuana is illegal in some jurisduictions, but it is not wrong."

      Depends on whether you do it and then go operate heavy machinery - like a car. People don't think it's OK to drink and drive, but somehow smoking a joint and driving is OK?

      Oh, and the money you paid for that joint probably went to support some pretty bad things. Not necessarily terrorism (as the government would like you to believe), but you'd be surprised what goes on in the "supply chain". It's not exactly hippies and rainbows.

    4. Re:Doublespeak ... or just lies by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Doing anything that requires full alertness whilst impaired in any way is a bad idea. If that makes the thing that caused the temporary unfitness wrong, then by your logic it is wrong to catch the flu.

      And I'm fairly sure that if they banned the eating of potato crisps, on the grounds that excessive consumption could lead to obesity, then all sorts of dodgy things would end up happening in the crisp supply chain. It's a simple consequence of illegality -- and incidentally, probably no worse than what goes on in the supply chain of fifty-pound DVD players.

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  20. Awesome! by inode_buddha · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now I can collect 36 pieces and send then in SASE with $4.95 for my very own decoder ring!

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  21. Only 4 in 10 movies break even... by Gleenie · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... According to the article.

    Occam's Razor says that this means 6 out of 10 movies are crap, not that 90% of people are thieves.

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    1. Re:Only 4 in 10 movies break even... by Bastian · · Score: 1

      Occam's Razor gets a lot of help from the observation that the most-pirated movies are generally the large grossing ones.

    2. Re:Only 4 in 10 movies break even... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6 out of 10 movies are crap

      Popular success is no determinant of artistic quality.

  22. criminal or civil? by genixia · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The seal, marked by the "FBI Anti-Piracy Warning" label, is accompanied by a statement that criminal copyright infringement is punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of $250,000.
    ...and what about the old plain-jane civil copyright infringments?
    1. Re:criminal or civil? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it is all pretty retarded. Come on, we have to deal with half a minute of remote-locked FBI video warnings, what the heck does this new seal do any differently?

    2. Re:criminal or civil? by xkenny13 · · Score: 1

      Come on, we have to deal with half a minute of remote-locked FBI video warnings, what the heck does this new seal do any differently?/I

      My guess is it will lock our remotes out for twice as long ... and it's probably only going to get worse.

    3. Re:criminal or civil? by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, it is all pretty retarded. Come on, we have to deal with half a minute of remote-locked FBI video warnings, what the heck does this new seal do any differently?

      All the more reason to backup your DVDs (as if the risk of them delaminating in under five years doesn't do it for you)...

      Every major ripping tool out there now allows you to disable both IFO and VOB P-UOPs (the things that lock out buttons). So just back up your DVDs, put the originals away somewhere for safe keeping, and only use the copies. They'll also remove Macrovision and RCE, as well (the latter you don't even have a choice on, since no non-pressed DVD format includes a writeable CSS ring).

      Personally, I don't watch the originals even once, anymore. As soon as I buy, into the PC it goes, and an hour later, out comes a copy without all the crap. Or more accurately, out comes a copy with all the crap, but nothing to stop me from hitting "menu" the second it starts.

    4. Re:criminal or civil? by Rick_T · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > My guess is it will lock our remotes out for
      > twice as long ... and it's probably only
      > going to get worse.

      Standard movie-watching practice in this house (since we moved to DVD from laserdisc) is to put the disc in a few minutes before actually turning the rest of the home theater on.

      We don't watch the warning(s), the annoying previews, etc. Wake me when the movie starts. :)

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    5. Re:criminal or civil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So who actually holds the copyrights. I have no argument that copying and distributing is breaking the copyright, but how does that give the RIAA the right to sue - they do not hold the copyrights, the artist or studio does.

      Have all the artists had to give the copyrights to RIAA? Can the artist tell the RIAA, or it's representative not to prosecute?

      If the RIAA is using threatening tactics to get settlements when they do not own the copyrights, and have no written authority from the copyright holder, then does this case coming up in New Jersey (RICO / RIAA) have grounds?

    6. Re:criminal or civil? by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      As far as I understand it, record labels decide if they want to be represented by the RIAA. Part of that representation is protecting the copyrights of the labels.

    7. Re:criminal or civil? by Bigman · · Score: 1

      I had to smile when I read this one - because that's what I do. I mean, without the copyright warnings, trailers and stuff, I'd miss the beginning of every movie while the other half directs me to nuke the popcorn and which particular combination of lights she wants on/off that evening...

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    8. Re:criminal or civil? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      (the latter you don't even have a choice on, since no non-pressed DVD format includes a writeable CSS ring).

      Actually, IIRC, DVD-Authoring media has it. You pay $10 a disc for it, and you have to buy DVD-Authoring drives to write them.

  23. Johnny Ray Gasca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    That war is important to movie studios, which last week saw the escape in Los Angeles of a film pirate. Johnny Ray Gasca is accused of using a camcorder to illegally record and distribute prerelease movie screenings.

    Am I the only one who first read that as Johnny Gay Rascal? And they actually blame him for being a secluded nerd?

  24. Good article quote: by Mad_Rain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Keith Kupferschmid, VP of the anti-piracy division of the SIIA, said piracy also remains rampant in the software industry, costing U.S. companies about $12 billion a year in lost licensing revenue....."While the seal will not solve the problem, we feel it will aid the software industry in its war against piracy.""

    So let me get that last part straight - "We're trying this anyway, and it's not going to work."

    So why bother, and/or what strategy might work?

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    1. Re:Good article quote: by zurab · · Score: 4, Interesting
      So let me get that last part straight - "We're trying this anyway, and it's not going to work."

      So why bother, and/or what strategy might work?


      The partial answer to your questions lies in answering this one: why didn't FBI propose to work with FSF or Linus and others to put an FBI copyright warning on their software for SCO and other corporate software "pirates?" It seems like corporate pirates need as much reminders and education of what copyright means as your average person buying a CD or a DVD.
    2. Re:Good article quote: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That comment got a 5? After that strawman argument and false dichotomy? "Well, it won't work 100%, so it's useless, and we should do nothing." Uh, not really.

    3. Re:Good article quote: by ShelfWare · · Score: 1

      Funny thing that they aren't going after large corporations that may have thousands of unlicensed versions of software.

      Probably because it is the large corporations and agencies that are lobbyists or back lobbyists.

      It's all about the almighty buck!

  25. Wel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Movie execs also are worried about lost revenue from DVD sales and rentals. "We absolutely need downstream revenue to survive," said Ken Jacobsen, senior VP and director of worldwide anti-piracy operations for the MPAA, noting that only four of 10 movies earn enough at the box office to recoup the average of $89 million spent on producing and marketing a film.

    Maybe if they stop hiring the 20 million 'bennifer' actors/actresses and start spending just a 10th of that money on the script and they might see some profit.

    1. Re:Wel... by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 3, Funny

      Guy: Soooo - 60% of your movies tanking is a direct result of piracy?

      Movie Exec: That's the idea.

      Guy: So give me a few examples of the movies you do make money on?

      M.E.: Well - there's Spiderman, Lord of the Rings, of course - a few of the lower-budget films that did well - 28 Days Later, for instance.

      Guy: And the ones that tanked?

      M.E. : Hmmm, so many to choose from - let's say Gigli right at the top there.

      Guy: So you're saying that people are downloading copies of Gigli, and that's why no one went to see it in theatres?

      M.E. : Errrr...

    2. Re:Wel... by Imperator · · Score: 1

      An $8.9m script? For that price, it better contain the answers to all the toughest philosophical mysteries of the universe. Oh, and maybe some frontal nudity, a car chase, and no more than one "fuck" if it's PG-13?

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    3. Re:Wel... by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      Now where was it I read that movies deliberately don't break even? Dunno... I think it was related to the guy that drew the original Spiderman comics not getting a dime from the movie. IIRC, he was promised a percentage or the profits, and then the studio did the usual financial juggling and showed a net loss. Or something like that.

      This apparently happens even when the movie in question is a big hit and rakes in millions on the opening weekend. Somehow Hollywood's version of bistromathics makes the excess disappear.

    4. Re:Wel... by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

      20 million? You wish.
      Return to Cold Mountain Budget: 82 million.
      Nicole Kidman's wage: 15 million.
      Renee Zellweger's wage: 15 million.
      Jude Law's wage: 10 millon.

      We're talking 50 percent of the budget for the top 3 actors! It sounds stupid in my book.

  26. An informal credo... by Faust7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Neither seal, nor EULA, nor copy-protection, nor IP issues, nor ethical ramifications will dissuade the determined pirate.

    1. Re:An informal credo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither seal, nor EULA, nor copy-protection, nor IP issues, nor ethical ramifications will stop a pirate from his daily rips... ;)

  27. More stickers?! by plams · · Score: 5, Funny

    But this is only encouraging piracy! Let me explain. This seal will have to be visible right? So now we have not only "Explicit Lyrics" stickers, but also "FBI Anti-Piracy" stickers. Soon to follow is "PEPSI, you can also download this music for free!" stickers, and "SCO - this crap was digitally mastered on a linux platform so you owe us $699" stickers. And EULA stickers, and "Stickers against stickers association" stickers..

    So here's the situation: you enter the record store and you can't find your CD because they're all covered with stickers. So you begin to peel some of them off, and the clerk comes to you and asks what the hell you're doing with their property. Then you reply something like "Oh sorry.. i was just about to go home and start up kazaa, anyway."

    So you see! It leads to piracy!

    1. Re:More stickers?! by FsG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget your "Buying this CD funds lawsuits against children and families" stickers. Gotta have those.

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    2. Re:More stickers?! by vDave420 · · Score: 1
      Don't forget your "Buying this CD funds lawsuits against children and families" stickers. Gotta have those.

      Someone mod this parent up!

      If 10,000 people put these on 100 CDs each, "average" people may start to get the message!

      -dave-

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  28. Great, Wonderful, Spectacular by sPaKr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So they think adding more annoying popups to other devices and services will help stop copyright infringment? Ya, that FBI warning in evey video type is a big problem for the pirates, that FF>> button is So hard to push. Of course we get DVD's that force you to watch them, but if you backup the dvd with a little IFO hacking you can remove the warning. That is if your not luckly enough to have a player that ignores the user prohibition codes. Why not instead of spamming us with more useless stuff they figure out away to encourge us not to want to pirate the content in the first place. Like Sell cut rate on movie tickets or early sneak peaks if you buy the DVD up front. Or other real world advantages. Sooner or later these companies are going to see that forceing the status quo is tilting at windmills, they need to learn to innovate and get people excited about buying their products instead of being viewed as a nesicary evil to recive any decent content

  29. I want to see by Bobdoer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does anyone think that this will be as helpful to people as the "Tipper" stickers are?
    Parent: "Hmm this is copyrighted...Nope, son you can't listen to this."
    Child: "Can I get the latest Eminem CD then?"
    Parent: "Well, as long as it isn't copyrighted, it's fine by me!"

  30. Reality check required by darnok · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > "We absolutely need downstream revenue to
    > survive," said Ken Jacobsen, senior VP and
    > director of worldwide anti-piracy operations for
    > the MPAA, noting that only four of 10 movies earn
    > enough at the box office to recoup the average of
    > $89 million spent on producing and marketing a
    > film.

    I think the MPAA should be looking at two other issues in addition to piracy:
    - why do only 40% of movies actually make money? I find it hard to believe that wholesale copyright infringement is ripping that much off the bottom line; very few people actually have the bandwidth to download movies, and not all of those have DVD burners
    - why does the average file cost $89m to make and market? I can remember only about 10 years ago that $100m was considered an obscene amount to spend on making a film (refer to "Waterworld" and "Last Action Hero" as examples); now it's only slightly above average?

    I think these guys have got to have a bit of a reality check if they're spending $89m per film and complaining about not recovering costs. *Someone* has had a very big salary hike...

    1. Re:Reality check required by fyoory · · Score: 1

      I find it hard to believe that wholesale copyright infringement is ripping that much off the bottom line; very few people actually have the bandwidth to download movies, and not all of those have DVD burners

      Yea, I can count on one hand out of the 100 people I know at work have dvd-burners, me and the other geek in the company.

    2. Re:Reality check required by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Interesting
      very few people actually have the bandwidth to download movies
      I don't think this is true. Tests I've done on my 56k modem show that a typical movie of a quality worth watching would take between 48 and 96 hours to download, leaving just enough bandwidth to check email and read Slashdot. This is easily quick enough to keep up with blockbuster movies (and vastly more than necessary to keep up with good blockbuster movies). What it isn't enough bandwidth for is to keep up with more than three or four hour-long weekly TV shows. Additionally, I only pay for 160 hours per month on my dial-up.

      So that's a 56k modem. DSL being anywhere from four to 20 times faster than that, many people in the world have a pipe capable of keeping up with all new cinema releases, a dozen weekly TV shows (be they US live action or Japanese Anime) and pretty much every new release for a chosen current generation video game console or PC.

      Meanwhile, I bought the Futurama Season 4 box set last night (Channel 7 has been screwing up the broadcasts) and will be buying Andromeda 4.5 tonight (not available on free-to-air here at all) if I remember. I shipped in a US version of the Underworld DVD while it was still in Australian cinemas. Personally I believe that stuff should just be made for DVD. I'd subscribe to SG-1 DVD releases if they came out at the same time as it was shown in the UK. I bet heaps of the sorts of people that download movies would be just as eager to buy a DVD if it was available immediately. What are the economics of a DVD? Did my purchase of Underworld see more money reach the people who made it than if I'd gone to the cinema?

    3. Re:Reality check required by Kanasta · · Score: 1

      If only 40% make money, and this is the long term trend, shouldn't their accountants be telling them to stop making the other 60%. Someone should be fired here.

    4. Re:Reality check required by cfuse · · Score: 1
      why do only 40% of movies actually make money?

      This is the one question they don't wish to address. And frankly, if I were in their position, I would be thankful that even 40% was profitable.

    5. Re:Reality check required by thogard · · Score: 1

      They already did. Too bad they picked the wrong 60% to stop making and now we are left with what does show up and its starting to look like about 3 good movies a year.

    6. Re:Reality check required by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 1
      You dont understand. This is not about piracy or recouping costs. These people are immoral parasites on society and they, like any good fraudster, are merely "probing" the victims willingness to get milked by slowly increasing the amount of their "take". Trying to find out how much they can get away with. No movie costs $100 million. These are their numbers, wholly made up, and dutifully reported by the gullible press. $100 million is the amount of foreign aid to Estonia in 2001 and more than that of Algeria or Guyana!. Think about it! Sure some dumbass can get paid $20 million by some idiot promoters to show her ass on screen. But that is an exception, even the overpriced primadonnas dont cost that much. Not to mention that movies rarely make money due to tax breaks on "losing" ventures the government offers to hard working movie studios who bring us classics like "Gigli".

      I will keep repeating this over and over, but music, motion pictures are forms of information. Information is not property and thus cannot be bought, sold or "manufactured" like hammers and screwdrivers can. These movie shams are just more examples of an inadequate model for dealing with financial impact of information on a modern capitalist society. The current model of "information as property" is deeply flawed.

      At the risk of self-promotion, I had a lively discussion here about it.

  31. Quite the notice.... by InnovativeCX · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those too lazy to shop around for a link, the logo is visible on the FBI homepage along with a fairly extensive notice.

    The wording is what really gets me...very colloquial for such a terse organization:

    PIRATES IN CYBERSPACE
    Not Exactly Fun and Games
    Does the number THREE BILLION DOLLARS get your attention?
    ...
    Did you notice that "new" FBI seal in the corner? Only 5 stars; no laurel leaves; shield moved up to the top of the blue field. That's the official FBI Anti-Piracy seal, just unveiled today... and you'll be seeing a lot of it in the days to come. Not just on the warning screens of videos and DVDs, but on the millions and millions of CDs, games, software packages, and other digital media that are produced each year.
    Oh, and one last thing:

    Protect yourself!

    Great stuff. Of course, I'd always thought of the red, black, and white FBI WARNING screen on VHS and DVD's as somewhat of a, well, warning...but hey, new times, new logo.

    They consider this an effort to combat piracy. I somehow doubt that half an hour in Photoshop will do much to address the problem.

    Granted, I'm all for the protection of artists and such, but the usual practice of protecting the 'big stars' (who tend to fall short of being 'artists') while leaving independent musicians and filmmakers out in the cold isn't exactly what I'd had in mind.

    These efforts specifically target criminal enterprises -- and link the considerable resources and efforts of private sector companies and trade associations with law enforcement partnerships (on local, state, federal, and international levels) to identify and stop them.
    And that's not all.
    Here's hoping there will some benefit to those that still create their work rather than serve as a mere mouthpiece.
    1. Re:Quite the notice.... by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

      Protect yourself! So they sell condoms now that protect you against getting AIDS from pirated material?

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    2. Re:Quite the notice.... by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was going to moderate in this discussion, but I've decided now that I've just gotta post.

      I really can't believe how the FBI is shamelessly whoreing for the xxAA. I can't believe that the FBI is parroting the RIAA bullshit about XXX billion dollars lost every year. I actually went back and checked that this is really their web page. Words do not do them justice, just look at www.fbi.gov.

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  32. Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by mynameis+(mother+... · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Jana Monroe, assistant director of the FBI's cyberdivision, said the unit, created 18 months ago in large part to help hunt perpetrators of digital copyright infringement, will continue to get significant funding from the bureau. Monroe said preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority, behind anti-terrorism efforts and counterintelligence operations.

    3rd highest priority is cybercrime!?!?
    This is more important that say forensics???

    My god if that doesn't smack of special interests gone horribly, horribly, wrong.

    And that's without even addressing what how slippery a slope the prevention of virtual crimes would seem to be.

  33. One thing after another after another after... by presearch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish that there was a Special logo on every dollar and every paid invoice to these companies that would
    remind them that they do not own us and it is a privilege to serve it's valued customers instead of treating
    us like lambs waiting to be shorn, wearing retention collars and being fed confinement loaf.

    1. Re:One thing after another after another after... by ledestin · · Score: 1

      Well, if they do it, that's because they can. If you don't have something more substantial than words you're SOL I think.

  34. Re:Foonet deserved it by boobsea · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to the common carrier laws?

    i.e. you are not responsible for the acts of you users, you are only required to comply with subponeas,etc.

  35. RAZOR??? by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 4, Funny
    Occam's Razor

    Listen here punk, bring that thing NEAR a Blockbuster(TM) and I'll throw you in Jail, buddy.

  36. Does anyone have a link to the actual logo ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the first person to get a good parody of it on a t-shirt at cafepress is going to make some bling.

  37. Pirate on the loose! by lockholm · · Score: 2, Funny
    That war is important to movie studios, which last week saw the escape in Los Angeles of a film pirate. Johnny Ray Gasca is accused of using a camcorder to illegally record and distribute prerelease movie screenings. Gasca made off days before his trial was to begin, while in the custody of his lawyer. He remains a fugitive.

    He is considered armed and dangerous, bearing several semi-automatic, uh, video cameras. But don't worry, folks - the trusty FBI is hard at work hunting him down so that small children can sleep soundly at night.

  38. no by SHEENmaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Moral consent, in that you can fast forward your own damn tape in your own damn house on your own damn tv without the FBI interfering.

    If anyone is offended by my language, please s/damn/double plus unnice/ now.

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    1. Re:no by notque · · Score: 1

      If anyone is offended by my language, please s/damn/double plus unnice/ now.

      I'm offended, please speak english.

      What is an unnice anyway? (I'd really like to know if you wouldn't mind replying.)

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    2. Re:no by child_of_mercy · · Score: 3, Informative

      newspeak, Orwell, 1984.

      I thought he was being pretty funny with that useage.

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    3. Re:no by yerfatma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but you sure as shit can't do it with DVDs. Lost in Translation came with a nice warning followed by 10 minutes of trailers I couldn't skip. It's not like I own the DVD player and TV or anything.

    4. Re:no by notque · · Score: 1

      newspeak, Orwell, 1984.

      I thought he was being pretty funny with that useage.


      He probably was, I just didn't understand it.

      I haven't read 1984 since 7th grade.

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    5. Re:no by pla · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, but you sure as shit can't do it with DVDs. Lost in Translation came with a nice warning followed by 10 minutes of trailers I couldn't skip.

      Sure you can...

      See my other comment on this topic.

      It sounds like you buy used DVDs from rental places, since I've never seen a retail DVD with unskippable commercials, but that doesn't really matter - Just because you paid less for it, you did buy it, why the hell shouldn't you have the right to enjoy it without ads or annoying FBI warning?

      Personally, my biggest peeve comes from the imports. Not only do they have an FBI warning, but a similar warning from half a dozen countries, in as many languages. Talk about pissing the customer off...

    6. Re:no by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you buy used DVDs from rental places, since I've never seen a retail DVD with unskippable commercials

      The Finding Nemo DVD I have has an ad for Warner Brothers MovieWorld on the Gold Coast before it shows the movie. Cannot skip or fast forward through it. If it wasn't as great a movie as it is, i would have taken it back...

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    7. Re:no by rodgster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is one of the most compelling arguments for software like DVDXcopy Platinum (I have nothing to do with 321 studios).

      It allows you to take back your rights of how to use products you own.

      Plus it also gives you a reason to boot-up a M$ box. If I knew of a linux alternative, I'd be that much closer to freedom.

      I think the next time I have to re-activate DVDXcopy because I've upgraded my hardware (again), I'm just going to "activate it myself". Another effort to take back some of the rights we are entitle to when we buy a product.

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    8. Re:no by HuguesT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Linux alternative are mplayer, xine and others for just playing the part of the DVD you want to watch (I was never aware there were mandatory warnings on DVDs until someone pointed them out to me, with the Linux software you can just jump straight in).

      To be able to copy/transcode DVDs with Linux, use either mencoder (comes with mplayer) or transcode. Note that in many countries this is illegal.

    9. Re:no by ncc74656 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I think the next time I have to re-activate DVDXcopy because I've upgraded my hardware (again), I'm just going to "activate it myself".

      Why bother paying for what you can get for free? DVD Decrypter, DVDStripper, and DVD Shrink will edit out unwanted material and squeeze any movie down to where it'll fit on a DVD-R, and they're all free (as in beer, anyway, which is more than you can say for DVDXcopy).

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    10. Re:no by addaon · · Score: 3, Funny

      It hasn't changed much.

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    11. Re:no by notque · · Score: 1

      As much as everyone compares the book to almost any aspect of Government control, I would have thought otherwise.

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    12. Re:no by moltar77 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not only do they have an FBI warning, but a similar warning from half a dozen countries, in as many languages. Talk about pissing the customer off...

      ...makes you just want to rip it to DivX, doesn't it?

    13. Re:no by pla · · Score: 1

      ...makes you just want to rip it to DivX, doesn't it?

      Yes and no...

      If more players supported it, and as the internal compression method (ie, keep the existing DVD structure, using MPEG-4 rather than MPEG-2), I'd rip to DivX in a heartbeat. Few players currently support DivX at all, however, and I know of none that will handle it as the internal compression rather than as a standalone .avi or .divx file on the disc.

    14. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      :)

    15. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The Finding Nemo DVD I have has an ad for Warner Brothers MovieWorld on the Gold Coast before it shows the movie.

      That's interesting. I ripped a copy when I rented it a couple months back. I haven't seen anything from WB on it at all. The version I rented was a 2 disc set from Blockbuster (it had full-screen and wide-screen discs).

    16. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To be able to copy/transcode DVDs with Linux, use either mencoder (comes with mplayer) or transcode.
      Checkout this article for some nice info on video encoding on linux..
      Note that in many countries this is illegal.
      It is only illegal if you have no right to copy the contents of a disk, the software itself is not illegal. I use this combination a lot for converting original material to video cd or divx, this concerns things like peopel's weddign movies, family video albums and whatnot, that sure as hell is legal.
    17. Re:no by yerfatma · · Score: 1

      My exact thought while watching it (NetFlix rental) was, "I need to download a copy of this and share it with as many people as possible."

    18. Re:no by first.last · · Score: 1, Insightful

      since I've never seen a retail DVD with unskippable commercials

      You must not have seen very many retail DVDs then....or any porno DVDs, them fuckers are irritatingly long.

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    19. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia the video watches you!

    20. Re:no by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      Maybe this is a little offtopic, but my fiance and I finally broke down and bought Goodfellas. It completely shocked us that it not only didn't force you to watch any trailers at the start of the DVD, but it didn't have any. Once the DVD was spinning, the movie started (which was actually a little annoying too).

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    21. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      since I've never seen a retail DVD with unskippable commercials

      You must not have seen very many retail DVDs then....or any porno DVDs, them fuckers are irritatingly long.


      the commercials, or the, ermm, fuckers? : p

    22. Re:no by first.last · · Score: 0

      Damn, good point....BOTH

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    23. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why bother paying for what you can get for free? DVD Decrypter, DVDStripper, and DVD Shrink will edit out unwanted material and squeeze any movie down to where it'll fit on a DVD-R, and they're all free (as in beer, anyway, which is more than you can say for DVDXcopy).

      Beer is free? That's news to me.

    24. Re:no by 3terrabyte · · Score: 1
      Absolutely, positively, 100%.

      Converting my tower to eight 120GB drives, holding nothing buy my purchased movies, and taped tv shows ripped to DIVX. Streamed from the basement.

      Saves room, and with a well written menu, easy to navigate. The wife likes gymnastics... Now she can search by athlete, date, and event.

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    25. Re:no by 3terrabyte · · Score: 1
      We have a non-flower agreement for valentine's and always get each other DVD's instead (and make supper at home, etc)

      Anyway, my gift was Goodfellas! Not only was I surprised like you were, but surprised to see the 2nd half of the movie start playing. (Accidentally popped in the wrong side)

      I had no clue they split the movie in two. Definately the cheapest, newest movie made. This movie begs for Director's commentary, extras, deleted scenes. We get a non-dual layered hunk of shit.

      Great movie though. I hear "City of God" is being touted just like and as good as Goodfellas. CHecking it out this weekend!

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    26. Re:no by 3terrabyte · · Score: 1

      Wow, last year, huh? :)

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    27. Re:no by yerfatma · · Score: 1

      The wife likes gymnastics You sure you haven't been spending too much time on the computer?

    28. Re:no by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      Well it all really comes down to not really owning the material, you just license it. Intellectual Property, copyright, blah blah blah. You know, things discussed in detail on this site and half a million other sits every day?

      Please tell me you live under a rock... I suspect so if you've never seen a DVD that you can't skip the previews on.

      In the future you will own nothing, be expected to strive for this nothing out of fear of social stoning, and then pay interest on this nothing. Oh wait, that future is now.

    29. Re:no by tepples · · Score: 1

      I suspect so if you've never seen a DVD that you can't skip the previews on.

      Could you please provide a link to a list of offending titles, even if only some of the most popular offending titles, so that buyers know what to avoid buying?

    30. Re:no by Aaden42 · · Score: 1
      I think the next time I have to re-activate DVDXcopy because I've upgraded my hardware (again), I'm just going to "activate it myself". Another effort to take back some of the rights we are entitle to when we buy a product.

      I always loved the irony of a product whose primary purpose is to duplicate copyrighted material and circumvent and anti-copying device that uses software activation that's arguably more of a pain than M$...

    31. Re:no by VivianC · · Score: 1

      DVDXCOPY will take care of that problem for you. You can make a backup without the trailers and warnings.

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    32. Re:no by I8TheWorm · · Score: 1

      I'll have to do the same, thanks for the info. And I agree with you wholeheartedly... with a movie of that caliber, you'd think there'd be some directors cuts, actor/actress interviews, and though I can't imagine it, bloopers would be fun. But at least no trailers. Weird format.

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    33. Re:no by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1
      Actually, I saw the unskippable preview thing yesterday for the first time. It was the first time so far I saw a DVD played on a stock, unhacked player. These are rare here and I am thankful for that.

      Looks I got a player dezoning gig. Easy money, thanks to Hollywood lobby. Not all things they do are bad.

    34. Re:no by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      Yes you are right, I was only refererring to copyrighted material. Converting/transcoding stuff you have rights over is perfectly legal AFAIK.

    35. Re:no by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      Now let me be clear though:

      Some you cannot skip the previews period, no skip, no fast forward.

      Some you can fast forward through, still annoying.

      I don't have a list but it would be nice to know.

  39. we all know that by Digitus1337 · · Score: 1

    No one reads license agreements anymore. This seal should stand out to parents of younger kids (teens always seem to love to make their friends copies of things...).

  40. Too late for them by Digital+Dharma · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I already copyrighted any official "FBI seal of anti-piracy". Let the litigation games begin!

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  41. Piracy number 3 priority??? by JWG · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The last paragraph was the most interesting one to myself:

    Jana Monroe, assistant director of the FBI's cyberdivision, said the unit, created 18 months ago in large part to help hunt perpetrators of digital copyright infringement, will continue to get significant funding from the bureau. Monroe said preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority, behind anti-terrorism efforts and counterintelligence operations.

    The FBI's nubmer 3 priority! Piracy is ahead of domestic security, corporate crime, drug enforcement (etcetera ad nauseum)...
  42. YAY! by pyrote · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes! I needed a new logo for my windows boot screen!

    The first thing I did when I bought a TV card for my computer, was to capture the FBI warning for a boot screen. It does nothing to prevent copying except to give the cracker something else to write 'owned' on.

    Useless.

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    1. Re:YAY! by Nimloth · · Score: 1
      FBI warning for a boot screen. It does nothing to prevent copying except to give the cracker something else to write 'owned' on.

      For a sec there I thought you meant that you thought by putting the FBI warning at bootup, you could boost your Windows security by restricting duplication of any file contained on said filesystem...
      Worst part is, I thought it was a good idea.

  43. what's so scary about a seal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean, you just smack 'em in the face with a club. The little fellas rarely put up much of a fight...

  44. This isn't surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why is this even posted? Does this really matter at all? Referring to the article, did any consumer (honestly) claim that they didn't know this material was copyrighted? And referring to why this was posted, did anyone on slashdot think otherwise?

    I'm pretty sure that our forms of media already contain warnings against unauthorized duplication, rebroadcasting, and public performance, but now it's in logo form!

    Which is why this article is a waste of time. Do you think the screen at the beginning of VHS tapes isn't a logo already? Has that changed? It looks standardized to me. A new one may not be needed, but this doesn't change any laws or sentencing guidelines, nor is it another shady $IAA tactic. It has no real effect, save allowing slashdot posters to complain about how needless this is while giving us an opportunity to criticize the industry for something that, relative to their current behavior, is mostly harmless.

    "It allows the average citizen who rents movies or movies or software or games to understand what is correct activity and what is incorrect activity," he said. "They need to understand that there is a law involved and that law is very important, and they should abide by it."

    So, amyone want to bet that the RIAA doesn't note any of the "correct" ways we can our media, such as sharing with friends, making backup copies or selling them?


    And that's certainly no surprise. Which is why we should focus on something other than a stupid logo. If everyone took the time they used to reply on slashdot and craft an original letter to their congressmen, maybe something would *start* to change. And even if it doesn't, it sure feels better knowing you shared your opinion with people who don't agree than preaching to the choir.

    Someone has to be able to find an article with more meaning than this.

    Why are people even responding? I'm embarassed I've typed this much.

  45. uhoh by dkode · · Score: 2, Funny

    oh dang!

    Next we'll have logo's saying terrorism is illegal.

    In what shape or form does this help the problem at all? It does absolutely nothing but cost marketing money. Nothing more than my hard earned tax dollars going to waste.

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    1. Re:uhoh by Flingles · · Score: 1

      Here in Australia the government sent a fridge magnet to every household in an effort to stop terrorism. Thank god we have the fridge magnet! Our saviour!

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  46. Worst punishment possible by MasterC · · Score: 1

    ...or it could also be deployed as a pop-up screen during software installation.

    So if I were to hold down shift, copy it off of the CD/DVD, and then send it to the Taliban I would get thrown in jail for DMCA violation, copyright infringement, and "funding" a terrorist. That would make for a Bad Day; good thing I'd have a lawyer watching out for my rights...er, damnit!

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  47. seal eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pirates need to come up with a seal to slap on their releases, something like the old beta logo maybey that procliams, Yes it did copyright, thanks for your concern.

  48. Re:Foonet deserved it by miu · · Score: 1
    Whatever happened to the common carrier laws?

    Common carrier only applies to regulated facilities like phone, cable or shippers, not ISPs and not IRC servers.

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  49. It's a conspiracy by walkerIV · · Score: 1

    For sure, those logos are actually RFID circuits. The FBI would use them to track down legitimate buyers. Anybody who hasn't bought anything in a month AND has internet access will be automatically sued by RIAA for unpatriotic behaviour.

  50. Anti Piracy Seal? by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anti Piracy Seal? Is that like Smokey, the Fire Prevention Bear?

    1. Re:Anti Piracy Seal? by fermion · · Score: 2, Funny

      more like sexual harassment panda

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    2. Re:Anti Piracy Seal? by ProstheticSwan · · Score: 1

      Another addition to the Island of Misfit Mascots.

    3. Re:Anti Piracy Seal? by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      Only YOU can prevent copyright infringement.

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    4. Re:Anti Piracy Seal? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Or like the CIA's Terrorism Busters logo?

  51. Well now we know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mods never click the damn links!... FBI might have been a bit better :p

  52. A better idea by foidulus · · Score: 1

    We need something akin to those, "Heros don't use drugs" screens on arcades in between the demos when nobody was playing. My suggestion is an FBI agent pointing and saying, "Heros respect intellectual property!"

  53. About the seal. by Daikiki · · Score: 4, Funny

    This anti-piracy Seal, he's like a highly trained anti-piracy agent, whose stealth and clandestine methods of operation allows him to conduct multiple anti-piracy missions against targets that larger forces cannot approach undetected? He's been selected from the best of the best for his discipline, skill, and bravery? He'll strike terror into the hearts of media pirates near large bodies of water everywhere?

    No? Not that kind of seal?

    Then I expect he'll amuse children and adults alike with his antics, balancing balls on his adorable snout and clapping his flippers together, all the while conveying a powerful anti-piracy message to our youth?

    No? Aw c'mon! You're not seriously telling me that the FBI signed up a washed-up early 90's soul singer to convey their anti piracy message? That's just so lame. It probably would have been more effective for them to just put some kind of. . .I dunno. . .logo or stamp or something on the damn disks saying "piracy is bad, m'kay?". Bloody lame if you ask me.

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  54. Can't wait to get a hold of the logo... by keyslammer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... so I can slap a circle & slash on it for my own stuff.

  55. Anti Piracy Seal by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 4, Funny
    I can just imagine someone looking over their shoulder, about to "copy that floppy", when out of nowhere a giant seal clubs them to death and the disappears into the night.

    How this rebranded "Don't Copy that Floppy" seal is going to deter piracy is beyond me. I'm sure it was as much of a deterrent as that William H. Sessions "Winners don't use drugs" campaign that showed up in arcades in the 90s.

    1. Re:Anti Piracy Seal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "..when out of nowhere a giant seal clubs them to death and the disappears into the night."

      Anti-piracy propaganda, or poetic justice? ;)

    2. Re:Anti Piracy Seal by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      For the uninitiated: Yes, the SPA *was* on crack at the time ;^)

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  56. Perfect, fools working to our benefit by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now it will be easy to tell what CD's are put out by RIAA members will have a handy marker on them... wait a few months till they put the Logo on all their shit then start a "Do Not Buy" campaign

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    1. Re:Perfect, fools working to our benefit by tinsel · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything in the announcement exempting, say, Linux distributions or independent record labels from the requirment to display the seal and warning text.

  57. What I want to know is.. by MasTRE · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Where's the torrent for it???

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  58. stickers to cover the fbi warnings. by upt1me · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just get one of these stickers from downhillbattle and place it over the stupid FBI Warning.

  59. Amazon Women On The Moon by jhoger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Real Pirate upon seeing the Warning: "Oooooh I'm sooooo scared!"

    Yeah this stuff is just there so that you can't give try excuse that you didn't know it was illegal. However, I would be happier if in addition to this the companies spelled out the purchaser's fair use rights along with this stuff.

    1. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      The purchaser's fair use rights are as determined by the courts, and not set down in stone. If you can convince a jury that some use you made of a copyrighted work was "fair dealing" then you'll get acquitted. If enough people take this route, then the jury's decision eventually becomes law.

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    2. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon by jhoger · · Score: 1

      I think that's true. But then the court is in general applying the law which is sort of set in stone (though of course open to interpretation and amendment/repeal).

      One way or another we have some idea today of what constitutes fair use. But all we're ever told about is what we cannot do with a copyrighted work.

      In fact the media companies would have us believe that there is no guarantee of fair use, and DMCA would seem to imply that it may in fact be the case (it appears you aren't able to legally do things typically considered fair use like make a backup copy of an encrypted work whereas you would be able to for an unencrypted work).

    3. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      The reason why we have the division between Legislature, Courts and Police is to provide for three levels of safety against miscarriage of justice {think: heat exchanger thermostat, over temperature cutout, pressure relief device on a gas boiler}.

      If the government passes an unjust law, then the police can refuse to enforce it. If the police persist in enforcing an unjust law, then the courts can acquit those arrested. Either way, the government has to take notice.


      But I think you are right, more people need to be informed of their rights. Ignorance of the law is no defence, but ignorance of your rights is sometimes all the ammo the prosecution needs.

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    4. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely nothing stopping you from handing out your own flyers outside the store, outlining what has been deemed fair use in the past. Why should we expect companies to defend our rights?

    5. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon by tepples · · Score: 1

      the courts

      ...won't save you. In Eldred v. Ashcroft, the Supreme Court of the United States held that Congress has the right to set whatever copyright term it wants. Even a "limited Time[]" of one million years would be constitutional.

    6. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon by jhoger · · Score: 1

      Corporations get special rights: like being treated as an individual when they are not, like not being pushed too hard on tax shelters, like having the hear of congress and the president to help them carve out laws that benefit them.

      With special rights can come special responsibilities. Don't fool yourself. Corporations exist at our sufferance.

    7. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      what does this have to do with taking the spread of knowledge into your own hands? if corporations are only going to tell you what you cannot do with their product why expect them to tell you what you can do with it? they are under no obligation to tell every customer what they can do, they just cover their asses by saying what you can't do.

      make a flyer, post it someplace. you have that right in this country. that was my point.

    8. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      If a jury of twelve of your own peers decide that you should not be punished, then you will not be punished. That is how the courts can save you.

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  60. Manipulated numbers? by Via_Patrino · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:
    "only four of 10 movies earn enough at the box office to recoup"(the money)"spent on producing and marketing a film"

    Look, they're saying about box office. Now from the 60 minutes about internet movie "piracy":

    "Fifty percent of the revenues for any movie come out of home video"

    The quote from the first article gives the impression that most movies are not profitable.
    Does anyone also think they were manipulating numbers there?

    1. Re:Manipulated numbers? by bonhomme_de_neige · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Does anyone also think they were manipulating numbers there?

      Absolutely. Reread the wording carefully:

      noting that only four of 10 movies earn enough at the box office to recoup the average of $89 million spent on producing and marketing a film.

      So what they're effectively saying is that the average cost for a movie is $89m, and only 4 out of 10 movies make more than $89m. But that doesn't mean 4 out of 10 movies are profitable - the other 6 probably had much lower budgets and consequently broke even with a much lower revenue.

      For example: let's say 4 movies cost $120m each to produce (the likes of Titanic, T2, etc.). Then to make the average 89m per film the other 6 cost about 68m each. Now let's say the 4 big budget films (due to superior film quality, more aggressive marketing, etc) make huge profits, while the other 6 only make 75m each. They still made a profit but they didn't make the requisite 89m. Now this scenario has been turned into "only 4 out of 10 movies are profitable" (that's not what they said, but that's what everyone heard), even though all the movies made a profit.

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    2. Re:Manipulated numbers? by can56 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely is correct It only takes one (or two ...) blockbusters for a studio to pay the expenses for the losing ones. It's called risk. Movies are no different than music, or software (MS comes to mind), or any other business in this respect.

    3. Re:Manipulated numbers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS-BOB failed because of piracy, brilliant.

  61. My solution is the winner... by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

    ...just don't buy any of this crap. However, the downside is enforcing it, at this moment in time all i can do is stop myself.

  62. I wonder how pirates are supposed to see it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I wonder how this sticker is supposed to discourage pirates, as they will never even see it. When was the last time you saw an FBI warning on a pirated movie?

  63. Disturbing... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm a bit disturbed by the last paragraph. Anti-Piracy is not the FBI's number 3 priority behind Anti-terrorism and counterintelligence.

    As a taxpayer I can think of a hell of a lot of things the FBI should be spending it's time on WAY before jailing bootleggers.

    Well, at least they are making a distinction between terrorists, spies, and copyright infringers.

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    --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
    1. Re:Disturbing... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what big corporations are willing to pay off politicians to go after serial killers?

      Besides, if there weren't any hardened criminals, there wouldn't be any fear, and if there wasn't any fear, how would the current administration's goals be achived?

    2. Re:Disturbing... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      Volume, baby, volume

      No wait, that would be a change regime, not a regime change.

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      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  64. Stop! by quakeroatz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or we'll make even bigger warning labels! Big bright ones with popup stop signs and menacing pictures of fingers wagging in disapproval!

  65. Maybe we can have legally mandated by Sarojin · · Score: 1

    "Winners Don't Do Drugs" messages on PC games too.

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    1. Re:Maybe we can have legally mandated by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

      Winners do drugs. See doping scandals, especially the one with the steroid molecule modified to break up different way during mass spectroscopy, so not showing up in tests unless you knew what to look for.

  66. What if the Pirates counterfeit the labels? by jefdiesel · · Score: 1

    How is Joe Mouthbreather supposed to be able to recognize a real FBI Anti-Piracy sticker, compared to a Counterfeit FBI anti-piracy sticker?

    I know.. they should put a logo like NASCAR and Major League Baseball do.. "Authentic", with a little hologram Fox Mulder, or Charlies Angles with the guns all pointing, do you think Hollywood would let them use the Angles logo? Aw heck, they should just do it anyways, how is anyone gonna know..

    Or isn't that the problem in the first place...

    Nevermind..

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  67. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the logo a big dick in someone's ass?

  68. Hey! by MC_Cancer_Pants · · Score: 1

    Why don't they just prepend everything copyrighted with "Don't copy that floppy!" everyone would finally understand.

  69. oops- my bad! by RouterSlayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    first time I read the title I thought it said "FBI Anti-PRIVACY seal".

    pretty much the same thing, no? :)

  70. Statrickstics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...noting that only four of 10 movies earn enough at the box office to recoup the average of $89 million spent on producing and marketing a film."

    I'm willing to bet only four out of 10 movies cost more than $89 million to produce, and far more than 40% of movies turn a profit. But that's not even the point, is it? These kinds of statistics make me sick, and I don't understand how anyone with a high school diploma would cite it. Where do these trade rags find thier writers?

  71. Like gunlaws... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    murder is illegal. Why do you need extra programs, laws and devotion to stopping gun crimes?

    Same thing here. piracy is illegal. Why do we need extra programs (BSA or whatever), laws (dmca) and devotion (taking up the time of the senate) to stop copyright violations?

  72. "Piracy"? by haggar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Shouldn't /. take a stand of principle, and do not use the word "piracy" to describe unauthorized software copying?

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  73. NEWS: FBI Introduces Anti-Piracy Seal by cje · · Score: 4, Funny

    WASHINGTON, DC (UPI) - Vowing to put a dent in an illegal practice that robs the entertainment industry of three billion dollars a year, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has unleashed a new tool in the fight against online music pirates. In a media event this afternoon at FBI Headquarters in Washington, Director Robert Mueller unveiled Chester, the bureau's official Anti-Piracy Seal. Chester, a seven year-old harp seal that was rescued from a fisherman's net off the coast of Maine, has been recruited by the bureau to "inform America's youth about the harmful practice of copyright infringement," according to Mueller. "We hope that he will teach our children that it is wrong to steal music from the Internet."

    Chester impressed a crowd of roughly 100 reporters, music industry representatives, teachers, and students by balancing a copy of Hoobastank's latest CD The Reason on his nose while holding a copy of Incubus' Crow Left of the Murder between his front flippers. At one point in the press conference, an actor portraying an online music pirate attempted to take the Incubus album from Chester, at which point the seal snarled and bit off the would-be-thief's left pinky. Chester also demonstrated that he was able to use lawn darts to burst large balloons that were imprinted with the logos of Kazaa, Morpheus, Gnutella, and other popular Internet P2P ("peer-to-peer") file sharing applications.

    "He's quite the talented creature," beamed Mueller.

    After the press conference was over, Mueller loaded Chester up in an unmarked Chevy Malibu and took him to Millard Fillmore Elementary School in suburban Washington, D.C. for a classroom visit. The popular seal captured the hearts of Mrs. Eleanor Richards' third grade class when he waddled around the room with a bucketful of FBI/RIAA anti-piracy literature hanging from his nose. "Chester taught me that it is real, real bad to steal music," said nine year-old Timmy Jacobson, of Alexandria, VA.

    "I learned that Adolf Hitler also stoled music," pointed out ten year-old Kaitlyn Frankenhoff.

    Chester is scheduled to visit five schools a week during an extended tour that is expected to last eighteen months. His initial weeks will take him from the Beltway south through the Carolinas, to Georgia and Florida, and finally to New Orleans, LA. Mueller is excited about the impact of Chester's mission. "We will get the truth about music sharing out," he said. "The next generation of American children will understand the value of honesty and the reward of a hard day's work." According to Mueller, Chester is also able to "answer the telephone", "close car doors", and "play sand volleyball." When he's not fighting music pirates, Chester enjoys dining on rotten fish and soft serve ice cream.

    Hillary Rosen contributed to this story.

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  74. LOGO code leaked? Where can I get the source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, I can't believe all of the source code leaks in the past few months... It's been a while, but I'm sure I can dig up my Commodore Pet and bring up my LOGO interpreter.

  75. oo...a sticker by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    will it make things go faster like they do for some cars?




    meant to be a funny, btw.

  76. That's GREAT! by DeVilla · · Score: 1

    I wonder why law enforcement didn't think to give me a seal to put on my car when my speakers got ripped off at college. Now that I think about, I wonder why they refused to even come out to investigate when half the cars on the street got busted into. I guess my neighborhood didn't buy enough justice.

  77. Only technology can stop technology by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    Ok every year there are some new protection schemes released. Safedisc v1, v2 etc etc...

    This FBI sticker thing is just plain weak. RIAA needs to go back to the copy/read-protection strategy. Don't threaten the public with these lame tricks when you don't even have enough room in jail for all of us.

  78. Screw region free... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    My kingdom for a DVD player that can skip the feeb warning and the trailers before the menu! Pressing ff or next chapter just brings up a little black circle with a slash through it in the corner of the screen (rca, first dvd player under $100 IIRC).

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  79. Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by El · · Score: 1

    What, you think preventing and prosecuting bank robbers isn't looking out for special interests? Personally, I'd rather they focus on crimes where people actually get killed or injured, but that's just me...

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    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

  80. But I never did drugs... by metroid+composite · · Score: 1

    Then again, I don't think I ever won an arcade game either. Of course, the statement tells us nothing about "Losers" in particular, so I'm not a contradiction to the rule!

  81. Oh shit, that puts an end to all pirating by Operating+Thetan · · Score: 1

    Do they think the warez groups will put the seal in the .nfo? Will teenage girls now download Britney_Spears.Random_Marketed_Commercial_Crap.FBI _Says_Dont_Copy_This.Sharereactor.mp3?

    IMO this is a crap idea as a deterrent. People already know it's illegal (with the exception of the few who actually believe that 24 hour crap). The only ones who see it are those who will buy the software- warez kiddies, who might pay attention out of fear of the consequences, don't. The ones who pirate and buy are those who seek to appraise before spending(whether to check quality or see if it will run on their machine) -the warning is wasted on them, as they believe (rightly, IMO) that they aren't actually doing anything wrong provided that they really do buy anything they like and want to keep

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  82. I've got a deal for you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's the deal. If large corporations agree to pay their taxes like everyone else, and not use illegal tax shelters, generally show a bit of civic responsibility, I'll agree to not pirate ANYTHING. /me just finished watching Frontline.

    Look here:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ta x/

    Sound fair? Good. You cannot have your cake and and pie and cream puffs and every last damn thing you want AND eat it too. Greedy bastards.

    1. Re:I've got a deal for you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got a better idea..

      If the motion picture industry will agree to offer me a money back gaurantee if I don't like the crappy movie they put out.

      I'll start paying for my own movies.. No more downloading.. no more copying.. etc...

      I'm just tired of plopping down $17 for 2 people to go see a movie. Ends up being total crap and sleeping thru half of it. (Mona lisa smiles anyone?) If I wanted to watch crap like that... I'd at least go rent a substandard porno that had lesbians running around after each other without their clothes on.

      I challenge all you producers out there. Produce films worth my money. If I like it.. if it's really good.. I'll probably see it 3 or 4 times in the theator.. buy the dvd and rent it a couple times from block buster. But offer me my money back when it's total crap!

    2. Re:I've got a deal for you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sound fair? Good. You cannot have your cake and and pie and cream puffs and every last damn thing you want AND eat it too. Greedy bastards.

      What good is having cake, pie, cream puffs and every last damn thing you want and not being able to eat it? Imagine if your parents did that!

      Now jr. here's your dinner, but you cant eat it... :P

  83. Why a seal? by ArmorFiend · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't understand why they're developing an anti-piracy seal. I mean MacGruff the crime dog made sense, but when I think of anti-pirate animals, I mostly think of that alligator from Peter Pan.

  84. application to open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    so can we put this sticker on open source software or what?

    get the FBI behind the GPL, that'll have 'em quakin in their boots!

    lol

  85. So Tipper babe don't you remember me? by smkndrkn · · Score: 1

    Now I'm kinder, gentler and so happy
    It's lovely, lovely...

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  86. This is what happens... by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 2, Funny

    when beaurocrats get bored.

    "Hey Brian, what are we going to do, today?"
    "The same thing we do every day, Paul! Try to take over the world!"
    "But we did that yesterday, Brian."
    "Oh, right. Well, then... are you thinking what I'm thinking?"
    "That now would be a great time to make some logos?"
    "...Actually, that's not a half-bad idea, now that we have that whole world thing out of the way."

    Or when beaurocrats have to defend their jobs.

    "...That's what this staff meeting is all about! That's what happened at the CIA last year. You have to interview with a consultant and they bring in efficiency experts. You're interviewing for your own job!"
    "Maybe we could... do something. You know, to convince them to let us keep our jobs."
    "Like what?"
    "I don't know... make a new logo?"
    "Sounds good to me. I'm in."

    This attempt at humor brought to you by:

    ~UP

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  87. not that I like it, but... by djupedal · · Score: 1

    They're simply trying to move into the present...logo's are all the rage, right? Image recognition....literally.

    Not that anyone here gives a flying rectal expulsion, but hey, nothiing else seems to be working for them, so 'Don't Copy' the Clown gets to join the ranks of Smokey Bear and Ruff the Crime Dog.

    1. Re:not that I like it, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "'Don't Copy' the Clown"
      no, it has to be a jackass.

  88. Actually ... (ahem) by neilio · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >>pursuits will add a new federal level

    Copyright infringement is already at a federal level. The FBI warning is merely informing that you are violating copyright if you copy the stuff, and saying "we will get you if you pirate this".

    Copyright is a federally assured protection, therefore is federal by default, with or without the FBI warning. That little c on the back cover is all that is legally required. The rest of us have to pay. The pirates just cut out the annoying delay and FBI message.

    That's why copyright is far superiour to the "mail it to yourself" trick for music protection. If you only mail it to yourself you only have federal proof that you had the recording on a given date, meaning it is good enough for evidence.

    Since you aren't protected by a copyright certificate, you need to fight the court battles in all 50 states to sue for infringement. Basically you are almost as screwed as doing nothing at all.... You are protected, but do you have the money for that kind of fight? Most mail it to yourselfer's don't.

    Copyright doesn't matter anyway, since it all ends up somewhere on line anyway and not even the federal gov can really kill it.

    This sucks because we might be up for a possible signing deal soon. Even if I get signed, I won't ever make anything : ( Luckily I am not in it for the money.

    l8,
    neilio

  89. And coming soon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll have the anti-drug platypus.

    Although, frankly, I think they should have picked a different animal. Platypus, platypus! Hee hee! *tokes*

  90. It's not their fault by max+born · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The FBI is an essential and necessary part of the U.S. government. To give them credit, they have done a great deal in investigating and prosecuting government corruption, organized crime, child abductions, and many other serious crimes.

    Unfortunately the FBI, through no fault of their own, are being coerced by politicians at the behest of the entertainment industry (whose multi million dollar campaign contributions have had an undue influence on public policy) to become more and more a private law enforcement agency for powerful and wealthy organizations, propping up archaic and inefficient business models, who should be financing their own investigations. (I doubt the FBI would pursue GPL violations.)

    I encourage all taxpayers to lobby their respective representatives with the aim of curtailing this waste of our important resources.

    The downloading of copyrighted videos and music is now largely done via P2P networks. Unless it concerns national security, espionage, terrorism, or organized crime, etc., the FBI should not be spending its resources on prosecuting Internet file sharers.

    1. Re:It's not their fault by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The FBI is an essential and necessary part of the U.S. government.
      It is neither essential nor necessary. In fact, it is questionable whether the U.S. Constitution actually gives the federal government the power to have such a police force.

      There's no obvious reason why law enforcement can't be left to the states. For that matter, there's no obvious reason why most functions currently performed by the federal government can't be performed by the states instead, and probably at lower cost to the taxpayers. Sending tax dollars to Washington D.C. to pay for things that are done in other parts of the country just burns up a larger fraction of the money in bureaucracy.

  91. Good news, the way I see it by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Monroe said preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority, behind anti-terrorism efforts and counterintelligence operations.

    What a relief. Once again, it's safe for tradition to come out of the basement.

    We can all go back to counterfeiting $100.00 bills and transporting drunken underage hookers across state lines :)

    1. Re:Good news, the way I see it by aziraphale · · Score: 1

      I'm not an American, but I have seen one on TV. Quite a lot of them, in fact, and I've noticed that many of them spend much of their time waving a badge and spouting the name of a three letter agency which gives them special jurisdiction in some field or other. So I believe I can say with the full authority given to a subject of the Hollywood cultural empire that the hunting down of counterfeiters is not an FBI responsibility, but rather falls into the hands of the Secret Service, or at least those parts of it which aren't busy protecting the president.

      Why do I know this stuff, when I'd have trouble telling you which British police organisation is responsible for tracking down counterfeiters of sterling currency?

      Possibly for the same reason that when I go and see a film in a British cinema today, I have to sit through an FBI warning against copying any film or film-related-article that I am privileged to witness during my time in the auditorium. What interest the FBI has in my behaviour is a little beyond me...

  92. Here's some stickers for you by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Is it time to practice civil disobedience?

    $10.00 for a pack of one hundred, including postage. Alternately the page has artwork you can download to print your own.

    --
    Request your free CD of my piano music.
    1. Re:Here's some stickers for you by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Not unless you disagree with a law strongly, believe that you can change the law by disobeying it, and believe that a significant number of other people feel the same way.

  93. In lawless China they are a sign of quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Not joking: but when I have a flick bought in China (I live in HK) I am always happy to see the copyright warning: that more or less ensures it is a reasonable quality copy, normally from another DVD.
    Without that copyright warning in the beginning it is most likely a recording from the cinema... those recordings are not worth RMB15! (almost USD2, the current going-price for a pirated DVD).

    Wouter.

  94. someone's going to jail =) by trosenbl · · Score: 0

    so, if they start putting the warning on the discs when they start playing like on the old school vhs, and someone uses deCSS to decrypt the fbi warning, will they go to jail? or can someone sue the feds for putting notifications like this behind such *strong* encryption?

  95. Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forensics is not a type of crime, it's a way of solving them.

    It doesn't smack of special interests, it smacks of "people are getting tired of having their credit card #s stolen".

    How is prevention of "virtual" crime a slippery slope? "Well, we just advised major commercial sites how to protect consumer data, let's go kill some babies"

  96. A Contribution to the Public Welfare by xjimhb · · Score: 1

    Clearly, as good citizens we must support this effort and do what we can to support it. Now, nobody ever reads those text warnings, they're just too dull. The FBI needs something eyecatching for this.

    Therefore I have taken the initiative to create such a seal as a suggestion to the FBI, and give them full permission to use my image for this purpose.

    You can see this image at FBI Anti-Piracy Seal

  97. Free Software and the Warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know the requirement to display the FBI warning will interact with free software?

    Will every command line program in a Linux distribution need to pop up a graphical warning when it's displayed, or will one logo on the box be sufficient?

    If you're really required to attach the antipiracy warning to all software, it will scare an awful lot of people from legally copying free software.

  98. Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1, Informative

    cybercrime also includes crackers, Kiddy porn rings, internet fraud, etc.

    --
    Snowden and Manning are heroes.
  99. Arr! Video Pirates! by Black+Art · · Score: 2, Funny
    This reminds me of the movie Amazon Women on the Moon.

    Pirate Captain: [Looking at the FBI Warning on the video.] Ohhh, I'm so scared.

    How many minutes until the new logo is pirated?

    --
    "Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
  100. Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by mynameis+(mother+... · · Score: 1
    What, you think preventing and prosecuting bank robbers isn't looking out for special interests?

    Ok, a few points here:

    Robbery is a violent crime. It ain't a property crime. It requires the use of force/violence/threat of violence, etc.

    The world really works on future expectation. If you take a look at damn-near-anything(tm) closely, you will see that unexpected outcomes are what cause the fit to hit the shan....

    I, and I'll be so bold as to say most actors, expect [heck bank on] my money being 'safe' in bank.

    Without 'banking' you get a lot less utility out of life. I know that sounds like crap, but it really is true. ['any of all yalls' sense]

    Oh and you pay me back when my FDIC insured account gets hosed.[all yalls sense]

    So how do we define when something is for special interests? Yes banks, and rent-a-cops have an especially poignant interest in preventing bank robbery, but societies interest in doing so is FAR greater.

    Who would seriously argue that protecting the RIAA/MPAA/etc. is the 3rd most important use of the FBI?

    RANT
    For the record, I think that the Federal Cops should do things that a)should be done, and b)they can do better / more efficiently than an aggregate of local Cops. And while that would be the really whacked out stuff that the FBI can much more efficiently develop the needed expertise in than your town's police dept. If it satisfies (a) at all, being the entertainment industries gestapo Sure As Shit ain't 3rd down from the top on that list...
    /RANT

  101. Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by mynameis+(mother+... · · Score: 1
    Forensics is not a type of crime, it's a way of solving them.

    You realise you are inherently agreeing with my position right?
    In order to make that correction, you are saying that the 'prevention and prosecution of cybercrime' is a type of crime.

    And while I really do have responses for the rest, you're an AC.

  102. Piracy causes a 31% decline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the article:

    "The rise in piracy has been accompanied by a 31% decline in units being shipped by record companies over the last three years"

    Silly me...I thought it had more to do with the predictable dip in consumer spending that follows a slump in the economy.

  103. A symbol? by ottffssent · · Score: 1

    Ok, let me get this straight.

    It's a logo. And it means "the warning formerly spelled out in words"?

    Hasn't this been tried before?

    As I recall, Prince, the artist formerly known by a random logo that meant "the artist formerly known as Prince", and formerly known as Prince, tried this already. And, well, he's back to using a real name, more or less.

    So I'm thinking if "do not copy this movie under penalty of prison and $100,000 fine" doesn't cut it, then 'squiggle' won't either. But what do I know? I'm past 20, so I'm clearly not hip enough 4 teh coo' kidz.

  104. You're missing the point by brain_not_ticking · · Score: 0

    I glanced at the article briefly, and it seems to me that this seal serves the same purpose as say MSFT's certificate of authenticity. It's only there to say it's an original and not a counterfeit, from an organized piracy ring. You need to realize that an organized piracy ring is *NOT* a little warez group that uploads pirated releases to the internet; a piracy ring is organized crime, where the software is pirated, packaged, and put on store shelves.

    IMO This is a great idea. Could it be that the feds finally realize that even though joel user downloads every pirated game he can find, he wouldn't necessarily buy the games if he couldn't download them? Do they finally realize that the only loss of revenue is due to organized crime and not high school "hackers?"

    I sure hope this is the case; the less money that goes to organized crime, the more money stays in circulation, and the more that gets into the hands of the hard working developers.

  105. Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by mynameis+(mother+... · · Score: 1
    cybercrime also includes crackers, Kiddy porn rings, internet fraud, etc.

    Granted, I did overlook those subcategories...

    In my defense:
    Aside from cracking... IANAL But is 'Internet Fraud' significantly different [criminally speaking] than wire or mail fraud? Isn't the essence of fraud that an identifiable actor, with intent to decieve, caused actual harm to an identifiable victim? The fact that a computer was used doesn't seem that core.
    Ugg KP; speaking of slippery slopes, damn. Am I going too far if I say that I'm far more worried about the people abusing the children, and that happens in fleshspace?

    Also, if you reread the quote:

    the FBI's cyberdivision[was]created 18 months ago in large part to help hunt perpetrators of digital copyright infringement
    It is directly inferred that the majority of their cybercrimes are being owned by digital copyright infringement. To what degree I conciously thought about that while writing my original post, I shall never say.
    You still sank my crackership tho.
  106. +5 Funny by sheapshearer · · Score: 1

    I, for one, DO NOT welcome our new RIAA overlords...

  107. Yeah! Go after that nasty 20 Percent! by serutan · · Score: 1

    Not forgetting of course that it has been shown that nearly 80% of illegal movie copies come from film industry insiders, not "pirates."

    But the size of a problem has never stopped the government from pretending to accomplish something with a gung-ho, high-visibility campaign.

  108. They Need A Mascot! by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    Like Smokey the Bear...

    Or Tux the Penguin...

    Oh, wait...

    How about a packrat?

    I mean, most downloaders don't even play half the stuff they download and damn sure wouldn't pay money for it...

    --
    Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
  109. CMT Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be a commie mutant traitor. We will have to raise the unfocused terror alert to FOUR now!

    Friend Ashcroft would like you to report for termination, your clone will be activated after being checked for seditious thoughts.

    Failure to report is treason.
    HAVE A NICE DAYCYCLE!!!

  110. Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by nytmare · · Score: 1

    "Cybercrime" includes identity theft (or identity abuse to those of you who don't like using the words "steal" or "theft" in this context).

  111. People have been copying works for centuries by Frogbert · · Score: 0

    Not many people realise this but in shakespeares time people known as memorisors were sent into plays to memorise the entire thing and create cheap knockoff plays (much like a cam rip) clicky

    Piracy has been going on over the ages and the entertainment industry has yet to go bankrupt, the sooner they accept it as part of the business the sooner we can get back to watching our dvd-rips.

  112. As soon as it is ripped... by david_reese · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The seal is completely useless. $DIETY forbid these old-world dumbasses realize that physical prevention does nothing for a completely digital medium (unless they manage to infest your ID3 tag, too maybe).

    I wonder if this wonderful new self-adhesive artwork will increase the price of CD/DVDs? Like oh, maybe a $1 a media? How about the Recording Industry^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HCartel then decides that the Artist must pay this fee as part of the contract, also?

  113. viruses, anyone? by the_greywolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    a little off-topic, but it seems rather topical. anyone else get an email like this one?

    ---------

    From - Wed Feb 18 16:55:05 2004
    X-UIDL: 40330bda00000021
    X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
    X-Mozilla-Status2: 1a000000
    Return-Path:
    Received: from ns12-1.futurepoint.com (root@localhost)
    by the-junkyard.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1IE9r824340
    for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:53 -0500
    X-ClientAddr: 80.181.221.127
    Received: from SCODA.com (host127-221.pool80181.interbusiness.it [80.181.221.127])
    by ns12-1.futurepoint.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1IE9kS24311
    for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:46 -0500
    Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:09:46 -0500
    From: bill@lavoro-a-domicilio.com
    To: news@the-junkyard.net
    Subject: You use illegal File Sharing ...
    Importance: Normal
    X-Mailer: Xfworks
    X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
    Message-ID:
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SCODA7a911414cb96"
    Status: O

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

    --SCODA7a911414cb96

    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    Downloading of Movies, MP3s and Software is illegal and punishable by law.

    We hereby inform you that your computer was scanned under the IP 195.38.50.145 . The
    contents of your computer were confiscated as an evidence, and you will be indicated.
    You get the charge in writing, in the next days.
    In the Reference code: #9983, are all files, that we found on your computer.

    The sender address of this mail was masked, to fend off mail bombs.

    - You get more detailed information by the Federal Bureau of Investigation -FBI-
    - Department for "Illegal Internet Downloads", Room 7350
    - 935 Pennsylvania Avenue
    - Washington, DC 20535, USA
    - (202) 324-3000
    --SCODA7a911414cb96
    Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=refcode9983.txt.scr
    Content-Transfer-Encodin g: base64
    Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="refcode9983.txt.scr"

    [followed by a 100kb virus. don't recall which one]

    --
    grey wolf
    LET FORTRAN DIE!
    1. Re:viruses, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a hoax (do a google search for Department of Illegal Internet Downloads).

      Besides, there's no reverse mapping for 195.38.50.145 so I don't know how they could have found an mx record in order to send you an email (unless you have an smtp port open).

      Also, "Movies, MP3s and Software" doesn't sound like legal terminology, the would have said "copyrighted digital material" or something similar.

      Ignore it.

      If ever they do come after you. Don't say anything, remain silent. When you go to court tell them you share your bandwidth with your neighbors via a wireless network and you are in fact an ISP. As such you will not be liable and a judge will likely dismiss the case for lack of evidence.

      Good luck.

    2. Re:viruses, anyone? by the_greywolf · · Score: 1

      the interesting thing is that my IP address falls in the 65 class A. a far cry from the IP cited in the email.

      --
      grey wolf
      LET FORTRAN DIE!
  114. Interesting. by Enfurno · · Score: 1

    Hey, if this works as good as parental advisory stickers then every 14 year old between here and D.C. should have 30 gigs of tunes by weeks end.

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  115. Good Grief! by rnturn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where's a William Proxmire when you really need him? A Proxmire impersonator would do just as well.

    Now we'll find out who all the Baby Boomers are. Are rather who isn't. (They'll be all the people postings ``Huh?'' and ``Who's that?'' replies. :-)

    --
    CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
  116. One question... Feeding. by evilviper · · Score: 1

    I have just one question about the anti-piracy seal. Will I be required to feed him large quantities of fish, or will the pirates be enough food for him?

    --
    Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
  117. that was a crocodile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you tool

  118. US copies Australian Anti-terrorist fridge magnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    So, looks like the US has copied the Australian Government's anti-terrorist fridge magnet.


    We don't have terrorists in Australia, so they obviously work like a charm.


    Maybe these stickers will stop software piracy as well.

  119. In the city or in the woods, please keep America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    looking good h00t h00t

  120. Intolerable Cruelty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...just bought the DVD at the store and bingo, intolerably cruel, unskippable commercials. Not even the STOP button works! The only trick that works with these is to eject the disk. Upon reinserting it, my DVD player luckily remembers it had already started playing the preamble and goes straight to the main menu.

  121. How to kill the FBI warnings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When ripping, use transcode. You can effectively remove the these annoying FBI warnings for greater viewing pleasure.

    Oh, and don't forget to share your digital media on gnutella

    And be safe out there. Watch out for big brother. Remeber: You share you bandwidth with your neighbors via a wireless router. "It wasn't I your honor, must have been my neighbor's 10 year old kid who was sharing without FBI warnings."

  122. Amazon Women on The Moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ohhhhh I'm SOOOO SCARED!"

  123. Open Source/Free Software logo or seal? by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps we should come up with a "Copy all you want, we won't sue!" logo or seal for Open Source and/or Free Software? Since the FBI is trying to get more public recognition that you're not supposed to make unauthorized copies of proprietary software, maybe there's a corresponding opportunity to make the benefits of Open Source a little more visible.

  124. Online P2P pirates prolly not big movie problem by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    I think the MPAA should be looking at two other issues in addition to piracy:
    - why do only 40% of movies actually make money? I find it hard to believe that wholesale copyright infringement is ripping that much off the bottom line; very few people actually have the bandwidth to download movies, and not all of those have DVD burners


    You ever wonder why the RIAA is so much more rabid about going after people than the MPAA? Probably because it's quite feasible to toss around MP3s, even over a modem, but movies require a fancier setup. It's unlikely that all that many movies are actually pirated by people online. When you consider that a music album doesn't cost that much less than a DVD, and that a typical MP3-ized album might be 60MB, as opposed to at *least* ten times that for a ripped movie, the MPAA/RIAA positions start to make more sense.

    - why does the average file cost $89m to make and market? I can remember only about 10 years ago that $100m was considered an obscene amount to spend on making a film (refer to "Waterworld" and "Last Action Hero" as examples); now it's only slightly above average?

    Inflation is some of that. Larger audiences are some of that.

    Movies are a lousy business to be in. It's really, really hard to come up with a reliable model for what will do well, You can make a semi-reliable model by learning to market the bajeezus out of things and getting an N dollar return per dollar spent on marketing, but it's hard to say that director A plus cast B plus scriptwriters C for dollars D will make a good movie. It usually doesn't take all that much money to *make* a good movie (I have nice memories of Monty Python). It's just hard to do so predictably.

    1. Re:Online P2P pirates prolly not big movie problem by darnok · · Score: 1

      > It usually doesn't take all that much money to
      > *make* a good movie (I have nice memories of Monty
      > Python). It's just hard to do so predictably.

      While I agree with you, that's no excuse. These people are *in the movie business* - either they should get a success rate > 40% by e.g. slashing costs everywhere including salaries, or get out of the business.

      The real truth, as others have said, is that their true profit model is hidden by the way they choose to announce their figures.

  125. So use DVD Shrink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They you can edit out these noisome "messages" to your heart's content

  126. Unfortunately, they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "As though an organization only focuses on one thing at a time"

    No, that's not what it means.

    It means that since the FBI failed to prevent 9/11 last time, it means they need to spend MORE effort next time.

    Since their resources are finite, it would be better by far to prevent another 9/11. The way to do this would be to stop being the protection ARM of the MPAA and RIAA (et al).

    I hope that's clear.

    Moron.

  127. SO wrong. Moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "The FBI doesn't prosecute murderers, the states do, you dumb fuck."

    The FBI doesn't prosecute anybody; they leave that to district attornies, both state, federal, and local.

    But more to the point, *of course* they're involved in murders; they get involved routinely either because it (a) crosses state lines (b) at the request of the local police department (c) whenever the Attorney General feels there would be value by having the FBI involved.

    The recent sniper case in the Washington DC area involved the FBI.

    So before you call anybody Moron, you might want to look in the mirror and understand you fit the bill.

  128. Just Behind Anti-Terrorism... by G3ek · · Score: 1

    From the Article: "preventing and prosecuting cybercrimes is now the FBI's No. 3 priority, behind anti-terrorism efforts and counterintelligence operations."

    Glad to see the FBI has it's priorities in order. God forbid we start to think that our other problems are more important than some people dubbing a tape or downloading a few MP3s.

  129. Open Source Variation of this Logo by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I couldn't resist creating an Open Source variation of this logo. I mean, I want to have shiny logos on my software, too! It's just all Open Source stuff, though! ;^)

    Anyway, here you go. ("Don't worry, it's Open Source!")

  130. forget it... by severed · · Score: 1
    I put out a film a little while ago, and instead of a government warning, I made fun of the FBI and the MPAA, and instead had a picture of a girl in a pirate outfit with a plastic sword ask people not to pirate our stuff.

    It's a joke. Anytime you hand people a bucket of bits, they're going to decide what they want to do with it. I mean, do people really think it's a great idea to sue their customers, and then dump shitloads of money into Washington to pass all sorts of draconian laws designed to totally curb freedom, in order to maximize their own profits?

    Well, that's how those people work, and you know what, it is making them a whole lot of money. Meanwhile, as a small independent movie producer, I place every dollar I got in to my films, am constantly criticized for my low production quality, and am constantly mocked by people to the extent that it's easy to copy my movie, and instead of buying it, you should just download it.

    Is that enough to make me frustrated? Sure. Frustrated enough to sue everyone. No.

    I mean, anyone with half a brain can see from the disk that I used neither region encoding nor did I use CSS. Why is that you ask? Well, CSS is totally broken, for starters. Besides, even if it weren't broken, CSS does nothing to stop the copying of an entire disk. Video pirates routinely take a disk, make an exact copy of it, and it works just fine, CSS and all. So really, what's the point? What's the point of CSS, but to further munge up the data files. As far as region encoding goes. I do a lot of traveling, and it's annoying and insulting that I can't pick up some local DVDs from my travels and take them home and play them. Sure I can get a special dvd player, or a special software, but what about my Mac? What about my friend's players? I wouldn't want to live in a world where something as stupid as geography determines what you can and can't watch (although that seems to mostly be the case now). Even if I have to see it happening around me, I'll be damned if I'm going to contribute to it.

    So yes, people have figured that my DVD can easily be copied, played anywhere in the world, and I won't even sue.

    As far as this new FBI seal goes, it's just more advertising for the FBI. The major players in the movie industry get the FBI to do their bidding like little lapdogs. Meanwhile this gang of thugs continue to do all sorts of civil liberties violations. I'll never include it in anything I do (as if the FBI would ever lift a finger to help me out, even if I did become evil, and actually decide that I wanted their help). In return for the FBI being hired thugs for the movie industry, the movie industry gives them all sorts of free publicity, and further legitimizes them, and increases their hold over the hearts and minds of the general public.

    I'll never use this seal, and I'll continue to poke fun at the FBI and MPAA any chance I get. Other people will continue to poke fun at me any chance they get. Life goes on. Of course, I'll probably never own a private jet, produce a movie like Lord of the Rings, or have enough money to buy several congressmen. The MPAA has all this and more. I wonder which companies ideology will end up winning in the long run, mine or theirs.

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  131. Re: US copies Australian Anti-terrorist fridge mag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't have nonces in Australia, either.

    The dingos do their job for them!

  132. seals are easy to fool-- bring fish! by SethJohnson · · Score: 3, Funny


    Pirates have long known that seals are no match. Sure, they can make a lot of racket when your schooner is leaving the harbor, but if they see you tossing a bunch of mullet overboard, they'll quickly jump in the water to feast. Shuts them up pronto.

    So, the FBI is using old technology. It's easily circumvented with a bucket of dead fish. Sometimes even a beachball thrown for them to balance on their nose will do the trick.

    Piracy will continue.
  133. Dead ends by Halcyon-X · · Score: 1

    I don't think this helps anyone, because consumers will still want to share music. How about telling them what they ARE allowed to do, such as copying music for themselves or to have friends listen to under "fair use"? Instead of giving customers a dead end and having them break through anyway, why not just point them to the correct avenue?

    --

    .sig: Open Source, Open Mind

  134. Picture? by dutt · · Score: 0

    Does anyone actually know what this seal is going to look like? Does anyone have a picture?

  135. ok, so the FBI has proven it: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even our military finest, the Seals, can turn into ordinary pirates!

    Or did I understand the topic wrong?

  136. Wack Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please do not link to sites that are broken in any browser except IE. How about a "shitty site does not work in Firefox" tag for articles such as these. Thanks!

    1. Re:Wack Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you switch to the most popular browser instead of using some shitty alternative?

  137. Zappa by fossilstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of Frank Zappa's movies had the FBI warning at the very end. You'd only see it if no one bothered to shut it off after the movie ended. I liked that...

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  138. Get rid of them by oniony · · Score: 1
    Has anyone done any research to identify what these seals actually provide? As a paying customer, I'm forced to sit through these annoyances whenever I watch a DVD which is especially annoying then I've removed a rented CD to clean the muck off the disc surface. I'm having to pay financially for a product and in my frustration and time sitting through this FBI crap because I chose to purchase the legitimate product.

    From what I can tell, the pirated copies will not include these warnings, so I'd get an instant win from buying pirated versions. I very much doubt its makes an ounce of difference to whether the material is pirated or not. So what's the gain? Does it stop a significant percentage of pirating crime?

    --

    Powered by onion juice.

  139. Robbery on the High Seas by Kirth · · Score: 1
    About time they do something against this... Oh, they don't. This is just friggin not funny. Piracy is a real bad thing, every year about 200 Ships get missing because of piracy. Just read the Weekly Piracy Report. And that's just one week.

    How the hell can you call "copyright infringement" piracy, when there's a real, big, and evil piracy-problem on the world? Hundreds of people get killed every year by pirates, and the FBI is whining about "copyright infringement" and calling it their number 3 problem? How fucking wrong can you set your priorities???
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  140. Put on GPL'd software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Instead of complaining, recognize that the logo has been around for decades (for example video) and they are just expanding its use.

    Consider putting it on your distributions and software packages. Knoppix could boot and display a warning. Mozilla and OpenOffice could display the logo. It might help against someone that takes GPL'd or other open source code and makes illegal derrivatives in closed source products (remember the problems with Linksis, etc.) or tries to claim ownership (think SCO).

  141. Solution to movie money problems by Woogiemonger · · Score: 1
    Movie execs also are worried about lost revenue from DVD sales and rentals. "We absolutely need downstream revenue to survive," said Ken Jacobsen, senior VP and director of worldwide anti-piracy operations for the MPAA, noting that only four of 10 movies earn enough at the box office to recoup the average of $89 million spent on producing and marketing a film.
    Here's an idea. Maybe the movie industry would recoup their costs if they produced BETTER movies! With all the Hollywood crap I see flying across the tarnished silver screen, I think it's about time to let the resourceful, creative lower budget movie makers have a chance, and let the high budget producers relearn how to make a good movie.
  142. and another thing about CDs... by The+Queen · · Score: 1

    Recently got one of them new-fangled copyguarded CDs, and you know that thing would not play in the stereo, would not play in the DVD player, would not play in the Walkman, would not play in the car...but played just fine in my CD burner. So we made copies of it to listen to in the car, in the Walkman, on the stereo...

    --

    The House Between - Original Sci-Fi Series
    1. Re:and another thing about CDs... by plams · · Score: 1

      ironic. maybe copyguard means guard that makes sure you copy it.

  143. oh..*not* that sort of seal! by zytheran · · Score: 1

    For a moment then my sleep deprived brain was trying to formulate some sort of gun toting seal,working under cover for the FBI, splashing through the waves hunting down drug smugglers..I couldn't really work out how the seal held the gun..(of course the rest all made perfect sense :-) )

  144. Re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG sound the alarm, someone just downloaded a low quality mpeg movie off kazaa. Glad to see my tax money is going to such good use. Welcome to America, where we can spend billions of dollars on an oil war, but if you download a 3 megabyte song, you may be labeled an ass hole for the rest of your life. Somehow, Canada is looking better and better these days.

  145. They do now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I returned the Animal House Double Secret Probation edition to Suncoast because It had trailers I could not FF through.

  146. You mean this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhm... So lets say.. a "Friend"... has lots of dvds that were copied... how would one go about "Disposing" of these in a legal fasion?

    Should I simply pirate my own copy of the seal... Er ah.. I mean should my friend recreate the seal and then put them in the trash? or should I, er.. "he"... Tie concrete shoes to them and drop them into a river?

  147. mmm... dvd's by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    I really agree with this sentiment. Its happening a lot faster these days with newer tv shows. Within a year, they're putting out a Season 1 DVD and making gobs of money off it.

    $50 US seems like a great deal for 3~5 DVDs with an entire season on 'em. For that kind of money, you get anywhere from 4~5 hours (Simpsons, Family guy), 10ish (Sopranos), all the way to 16+ hrs (stargate sg-1). Its also a good measure of how badly a movie flopped if the DVD shows up retail w/in a few months of its cinema debut.

    --
    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
    1. Re:mmm... dvd's by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      Its also a good measure of how badly a movie flopped if the DVD shows up retail w/in a few months of its cinema debut.
      It's a shame that's the assumption, since what does it matter how long it is after the movie leaves the cinemas that the DVD shows up?
    2. Re:mmm... dvd's by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      just to clarify, i meant in the U.S.

      its a pretty good assumption because most movies are released in the U.S. waaaay before they get to foreign markets. So when a movie is put out on DVD within a month or three, they're trying to ride the tail end of a marketing campaign and bring in some extra bucks. To put it in perspective, most big name movies wait 5+ or so months before the VHS/DVD gets put on shelves. Sometimes they'll fudge that number a bit to fit in with holidays etc... but i think its a fair generalization.

      There is a reason some movies just go straight to VHS/DVD

      --
      [Fuck Beta]
      o0t!
  148. GPL should have a logo too by gr8_phk · · Score: 1
    With a clear message that the software CAN be redistributed so long as you follow the terms of the GPL. This logo should be displayed in the same way as the FBI warning on proprietary software. This give Free Software a clear way to communicate it's fundamental difference from proprietary software.

    I don't mean a OSS logo, I mean a GPL logo.

  149. RIAA = RICO ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the woman's RICO lawsuit against RIAA?
    (The same laws used against organized crime).

    The woman claims RIAA's 'settlements' amount to a type of extortion, strong-arming individuals for payment...

    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4305345/

  150. Antipiracy measures contribute to lower sales, too by michael+path · · Score: 1

    It seems like all the antipiracy measures taken lead people to two standard outcomes:

    1. More piracy: Every "fail-proof" antipiracy measure either due to incompatibility, or because it's still easily solved.

    2. General apathy towards that entertainment product: People aren't buying CDs. Yes, this hurts major labels, but the indie scene us suffering immensely. Major labels will continue to put out items that will more surely sell, but indie label marketing has become increasingly challenging. As a rep for a couple indie labels, this is really upsetting. This also spirals into lower concert attendance.

    I'm part of the problem too. I've bought fewer CDs because of the jacked prices. I've gone to fewer concerts because even Peter Gabriel isn't worth $110 - and he's on our side.

    *grumble*

  151. Anti Piracy Seal by H8X55 · · Score: 1

    "ARRRP!! ARRRP!! ARRRP!!"


    translation
    "Put that DVD-R down! Now give me a fish, I was as effective as could be expected!"

  152. Authorized by whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The seal says "unauthorized" copying or distribution is prohibited.

    Well, if I legally possess a copyrighted work, then I can "authorize" what is done with it.

    The ability to copy it or distribute it is one of the things which possessed me to take lawful possession of it in the first place.

  153. the logo sucks too... by intheory · · Score: 1
    If you're going to do something as minor, with such a relatively small ROI, as stick a label on stuff, and issue press releases and undoubtably a public awareness rollout..you should perhaps spend a little more time and effort on the logo. This thing looks like somebody in the office got freaky with MS Word. And then they brag about it. "oohhh...no laurel leaves, this must mean they are serious!"

    (From their website)
    "Did you notice that "new" FBI seal in the corner? Only 5 stars; no laurel leaves; shield moved up to the top of the blue field. That's the official FBI Anti-Piracy seal, just unveiled today... and you'll be seeing a lot of it in the days to come. Not just on the warning screens of videos and DVDs, but on the millions and millions of CDs, games, software packages, and other digital media that are produced each year."
  154. Too bad the RIAA isn't... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 1


    ...making the seal MANDATORY on all their member CDs. That way I could easily spot and purchase RIAA-FREE product.

    --
    "A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
    GeneralEmergency
  155. So lemme get this straight by jugger42 · · Score: 1

    If you are convicted of battery, assault, rape, rape against a minor, armed robbery, you may be let out with a slap on the wrist (ie Carlie Bruccia's murder didnt have to happen), but if you even think of copying or downloading a CD or DVD federal law provides fines up to $250, 000 or a 5 year term sentence? WTF, where did we go wrong? By the way, the logo sucks too, I think I can come up with a better logo than they did, using Windows XP Paint than they did. And well since they are in a way allowing recording companies to use their label freely, I guess it will make my music purchases easier since I dont buy anything related to the RIAA.

  156. The F.B.I...... by Darth23 · · Score: 1

    A wholey 0wn3d subsidiary of the MPAA and the RIAA. I can't wait to get a copy of the logo - buch parody potential, I think.

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    -------- In Soviet Russia, "Soviet Russia" sigs hate Slashdot.

  157. Re:Amazon Women On The Moon ARRRRR!!! by Darth23 · · Score: 1
    It's amazing how much videocassette piracy did to the Movie industry.

    And those horrible cassette recorers in the 70's almost KILLED the music industry off.

    --

    -------- In Soviet Russia, "Soviet Russia" sigs hate Slashdot.

  158. Leave it to the states? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish you were right, but ....

    The states are often indifferent or incapable of upholding constitutional law. Think of civil rights in the 1960's as just one example.

    If we're going to have federal laws, we need an organization to uphold them.

    And if it were left to the states fugatives would just run from state to state to avoid local jurisdiction. This is how it used to be and one of the reasons we have federal law enforcement agencies.

    1. Re:Leave it to the states? by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1
      The states are often indifferent or incapable of upholding constitutional law.
      I'm not convinced that the FBI does any better job of it. It's more a matter of what the courts order. I'm not proposing doing away with federal courts.
      If we're going to have federal laws, we need an organization to uphold them.
      States routinely do this already. However, I would maintain that we don't need anywhere near the amount of Federal law we already have.
      And if it were left to the states fugatives would just run from state to state to avoid local jurisdiction. This is how it used to be
      And how it used to be is that the police were allowed to cross jurisdictions in pursuit. If they weren't in hot pursuit, they could notify the other state. If Colorado tells Wyoming that a dangerous criminal that robbed a bank in Colorado and shot three people has entered Wyoming, do you think Wyoming is just going to ignore it?

      If there are good reasons for the existence of the FBI, you haven't offered them.

    2. Re:Leave it to the states? by max+born · · Score: 1

      Good points made all round here. But let's not get off track. Wether the FBI is necessary or essential is besides the point (I probably shouldn't have said that as it obfuscates the issue). What irks me is that the entertainment industry, after spending millions on lobbying (both parties) to get their DMCA passed is now able to solicit the FBI to help them prop up their archaic and dying business model.

      The entertainment industry has enough resources to fund their own enforcement without calling on taxpayers to help them.

      There are currently dozens of unsolved serious crimes that the FBI needs to be working on. And going after P2P users is not one of them. I think we can all at least agree our tax money could be put to better use.

      Thanks for your comments.

  159. Once again by bonch · · Score: 1

    As I've written before, Slashdotters feel their niche mindset applies to absolutely everybody. You might ignore the the symbol, but the rest of society might not.

    Should they pretend piracy isn't happening? What exactly is the big deal? It's just a little symbol. Are you arguing that money and time should not be contributed to attempts at stopping piracy?

  160. No, they don't by bonch · · Score: 1

    "As though an organization only focuses on one thing at a time"

    No, that's not what it means.


    Yes, that's what implied.

    It means that since the FBI failed to prevent 9/11 last time, it means they need to spend MORE effort next time.

    Who says they aren't? Besides, it's really the CIA's fault 9/11 happened. What exactly are you arguing here, that the FBI should completely ignore all domestic issues to prevent terrorist threats? You do realize they've been preventing terrorist threats for decades, don't you?

    Since their resources are finite, it would be better by far to prevent another 9/11. The way to do this would be to stop being the protection ARM of the MPAA and RIAA (et al).

    They are the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Their sole job is not to prevent another 9/11. The FBI is involved with all sorts of things. You speak as though they're just some ragtag group of investigators who don't have the time to--gasp--hire some logo guy to draw up a logo for distribution. My god, the resources spent on THAT one. Please.

    I hope that's clear.

    Moron.


    It's okay, I know you're just a downloader trying to battle any sort of anti-piracy movement that might threaten the convenience you've grown used to all these years. But I'm sorry to inform you that what you're doing is illegal...and immoral. But that doesn't matter, right? "Moron."

  161. Re:Is anyone else disturbed by this quote? by El · · Score: 1

    I agree with you. I was just pointing out that police forces have ALWAYS looked out for special interests. Remember, rich and poor alike are forbidden from sleeping under bridges or begging in the streets... that's equal justice, isn't it?

    --

    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

  162. UOP blocking on DVDs by tepples · · Score: 1

    Ya, that FBI warning in evey video type is a big problem for the pirates, that FF>> button is So hard to push.

    True on VHS, but who sells new VHS titles anymore? On some DVD titles, when I push FF or NEXT during the FBI warning, nothing happens except that a Norwegian letter appears in the top right corner of the screen. I cannot reproduce this letter in this comment ecause Slashdot blocks all languages other than U.S. English, but it is ISO 8859-1 codepoint 216.

  163. If only they would use the rich people by MacFury · · Score: 1
    I love how they start out, "I'm not a rich big wig...I'm an everyday joe"

    Guess what...that everyday joe gets paid just as much as if you pirate the movie or don't...It's not like he's on a profit sharing plan. Pirating screws over the people who actually make money off the movies. The guy in the anti piracy commercial could care less how many times you copy the movie, so long as his check clears.

  164. OSI Certified by tepples · · Score: 1

    Perhaps we should come up with a "Copy all you want, we won't sue!" logo or seal for Open Source and/or Free Software?

    There already is: OSI Certified(tm) open source software.

    1. Re:OSI Certified by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1

      That's not what I mean. Someone looking at that won't have any clue what it means unless they follow a link or do a search. I was suggesting something that explicitly states that you can copy the software.

  165. Summary judgment by tepples · · Score: 1

    If a jury of twelve of your own peers decide that you should not be punished, then you will not be punished.

    Judges will not let a case even go to the jury if one side proves that no material factual issues remain. Please look up "summary judgment."

  166. Hmmmmm by DECKARD6 · · Score: 1

    I really have to disagree with the comments that say only the savvy are doing this. Its not rocket science people. You also don't need bandwidth. DVD Burner: $90 DVD Blank: $1 Software: suprnova Semi-Pro DVD copying machine can do 14 a shot: $3200 Time investment: Set it and forget it. Your local Dvd rental place: A fucking candy store.

  167. Re:SO wrong. Moron. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    The recent sniper case in the Washington DC area involved the FBI.

    Washington, D.C. has no statehood. They make a federal case out of everything.

    --
    Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
  168. Image of the new seal by theEd · · Score: 1
    And here is a preview image of the new FBI seal

    --
    "And now you shall learn the secret of boot to the head"
  169. "Copyright infringement is theft" by Jasn · · Score: 1
    Not to beat a dead horse in these stories, but the RIAA's Brad Buckles says "Copyright infringement is theft."

    And I thought copyright infringement is copyright infringement, and theft was theft. Is nobody there satisfied with actually describing crimes/torts/violations/whatever with their actual descriptions?

  170. FBI slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fidelity -- to the companies.
    Bravery -- against the citizens of the United States.
    Integrity -- just for laughs.

  171. Merkins? by Skuld_1433 · · Score: 1
    Walmart, for the Merkins among us

    Why would pubic wigs shop at Walmart?

  172. Logo = Tattoo; by Cytop1asm · · Score: 0

    Can I download that anti-piracy logo anywhere? I'd love to get it tattoo'd to my ass!