I think the distinction that is being made by several schools now, is that a "co-op" is paid, whereas an "internship" is not.
Although everyone seems to use the term "internship" in both contexts....so what do I know:)
"What I *really* hate is the dichotomy of the usual requirement of a bachelor's degree (in CS usually) for work as a sysadmin in a decent org/compnay but the complete irrelevance of everything in college for the actual job."
In my personal experience, recruiters, managers, and co-workers have said that a college degree is highly desireable, as it ensures that a person has the aptitude to learn. The idea of getting a college degree, sort of transcends the tangible piece of paper you receive 4 or 5 years later. What I mean by this, is that most people learn MORE than just the classes they sit through, be it by group interaction, professors, or even trips to Canada, Vegas, whatever. I've been told that a college degree completes a person in ways that self study + high school degree can't. Diversity and 'well-roundedness' are things that companies emphasize, heavily. Massive amounts of technical knowledge, certifications, aren't frowned upon by all means, but it won't set you apart from others. Nothing is a guarantee, but companies probably feel more comfortable taking a shot on someone who can contribute both technically and non-technically in all experiences and aspects of life to corporate culture.
(This isn't intended to be a flame/troll... he asked a serious question, I'm giving a serious response. Nothing against those who can't/choose not to attend some form of college, it happened to be the correct path for me. To each his own.)
"I would like to hear from *anyone* who's had a real IT internship
I'm just frustrated that college and internships are so finely focused on the programmer, there's almost nothing for a junior sysadmin with his RHCE looking to learn a few things before being thrusted into a shit job market."
I'm a 4th year Information Technology student at RIT that has had several internships, at companies with sizes ranging from small to massive (think 60,000+). Again, these positions ranged from desktop support to building Sun E250's for production accounting servers. On the networking side I helped implement global VPN structure (Routers, switches, firewall's... you name it). The college I attend requires 3 Co-Op's before graduation, and they don't make exceptions, even in this 'shit job market'. Another stipulation of my major is they MUST be paid (the fundamental difference between the term Internship and Co-Op, the latter is paid.)
I landed these jobs, by researching companies that interested me both locally and 3000 miles away. I tailored my resume on a company/job basis and clearly indicated how my 'skills' paralleled what it was I wanted to do. This seems blatantly fundamental, but this is where a lot of people mess up. I was also very aggressive in making and keeping human contact with whoever I came in contact with. This got me 2 out the 4 Co-op's with companies that didn't even have internship/co-op programs. I contacted them and literally 'socially engineered' my way into an interview. I've had a bad experience and several great ones. Finding a full time job, at this point will not be difficult, as I have several offers on the table.
What it boils down to is knowing what you want to do. Using monster and hotjobs, is a complete waste of time (especially for a co-op). I used them to simply get names of companies geographically not in my region. If you don't have a lot of experience, I would recommend starting at a smaller company, and working up to a larger one. You can literally watch the levels of productivity / bullshit corporate politics shift.:)
This is why RSA moved away from the credit card type design, and migrated to the "key fob". They are virtually indestructable (bout 1 in 500 has problems usually.... from my expierience).
I can forsee these having the same short comings, 'to thin for their own good'. Despite having a nice metal shell, it won't stop the "normal" user from mangling.
People don't overclock necessarily to gain performance, it just happens to be a general inherient benefit. It's done because it's a hobby that fuffils a person's interest in some way, be it challenging, cool, or interesting. To take something and run it it faster than it's intended is a 'geeks' way of fun (perhaps even their way of living on the edge... i'm not a geek). This is similar to any mechanic or rice boy that modifies their car not necessarily by dropping new components into it, but tweeking for better performance..
You're right when you say how ineffective it is these days in a monetary vs performance % gain... but then again, how many people really push their 2.8 MHz P4 to it's limits?
These boxes are most likely going to be aimed that rich kid with lots of money, that lacks the desire to learn to do it themselves.
I'm sure somewhere out on the Internet (Google.com comes to mind) the information is cached. How many times has information been available after lawsuits, infringements, and a range of other problems?
How often are people able to get their email addresses of spam lists once it starts?
I'm not going to be the one to post this information, but it's just something to think about...
"This is like calling everyone from the US a Texan just because it's the biggest state."
Technically, Alaska is the biggest state, with 656,425 square miles. Texas only has a mere 268,601 square miles in comparison.
Does this make you as bad as the Washington Post?
There is a large difference between a business account and simply getting more bandwidth. You aren't necessarily going to get premium service, just more bandwidth according to your tier / pricing plan. It is also worthwhile to mention the differences between residential accounts and business class accounts.
Aside from running servers and running a business, the most notable thing comes to mind is VPN usage. Almost all ISPs (including AT&T) have in their user agreements some clause that prohibits residential accounts to propagate IPsec and VPN traffic. Only a few (most notably, Comcast and Cox Communications) I'm aware actually do block it, but that's something to think about.
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It appears that someone took Michael Moore a little too seriously when watching "Bowling for Columbine"....
I hope that wasn't a basis for your comment.
I think the distinction that is being made by several schools now, is that a "co-op" is paid, whereas an "internship" is not. Although everyone seems to use the term "internship" in both contexts....so what do I know :)
"What I *really* hate is the dichotomy of the usual requirement of a bachelor's degree (in CS usually) for work as a sysadmin in a decent org/compnay but the complete irrelevance of everything in college for the actual job."
... he asked a serious question, I'm giving a serious response. Nothing against those who can't/choose not to attend some form of college, it happened to be the correct path for me. To each his own.)
... you name it). The college I attend requires 3 Co-Op's before graduation, and they don't make exceptions, even in this 'shit job market'. Another stipulation of my major is they MUST be paid (the fundamental difference between the term Internship and Co-Op, the latter is paid.)
:)
In my personal experience, recruiters, managers, and co-workers have said that a college degree is highly desireable, as it ensures that a person has the aptitude to learn. The idea of getting a college degree, sort of transcends the tangible piece of paper you receive 4 or 5 years later. What I mean by this, is that most people learn MORE than just the classes they sit through, be it by group interaction, professors, or even trips to Canada, Vegas, whatever. I've been told that a college degree completes a person in ways that self study + high school degree can't. Diversity and 'well-roundedness' are things that companies emphasize, heavily. Massive amounts of technical knowledge, certifications, aren't frowned upon by all means, but it won't set you apart from others. Nothing is a guarantee, but companies probably feel more comfortable taking a shot on someone who can contribute both technically and non-technically in all experiences and aspects of life to corporate culture.
(This isn't intended to be a flame/troll
"I would like to hear from *anyone* who's had a real IT internship
I'm just frustrated that college and internships are so finely focused on the programmer, there's almost nothing for a junior sysadmin with his RHCE looking to learn a few things before being thrusted into a shit job market."
I'm a 4th year Information Technology student at RIT that has had several internships, at companies with sizes ranging from small to massive (think 60,000+). Again, these positions ranged from desktop support to building Sun E250's for production accounting servers. On the networking side I helped implement global VPN structure (Routers, switches, firewall's
I landed these jobs, by researching companies that interested me both locally and 3000 miles away. I tailored my resume on a company/job basis and clearly indicated how my 'skills' paralleled what it was I wanted to do. This seems blatantly fundamental, but this is where a lot of people mess up. I was also very aggressive in making and keeping human contact with whoever I came in contact with. This got me 2 out the 4 Co-op's with companies that didn't even have internship/co-op programs. I contacted them and literally 'socially engineered' my way into an interview. I've had a bad experience and several great ones. Finding a full time job, at this point will not be difficult, as I have several offers on the table.
What it boils down to is knowing what you want to do. Using monster and hotjobs, is a complete waste of time (especially for a co-op). I used them to simply get names of companies geographically not in my region. If you don't have a lot of experience, I would recommend starting at a smaller company, and working up to a larger one. You can literally watch the levels of productivity / bullshit corporate politics shift.
You either sink or swim....
I was worried the final Star Wars wasn't going to be any good.
This is why RSA moved away from the credit card type design, and migrated to the "key fob". They are virtually indestructable (bout 1 in 500 has problems usually .... from my expierience).
I can forsee these having the same short comings, 'to thin for their own good'. Despite having a nice metal shell, it won't stop the "normal" user from mangling.
"It tastes like burning..."
Now I don't have to bother will all those inconvient P2P networks.
People don't overclock necessarily to gain performance, it just happens to be a general inherient benefit. It's done because it's a hobby that fuffils a person's interest in some way, be it challenging, cool, or interesting. To take something and run it it faster than it's intended is a 'geeks' way of fun (perhaps even their way of living on the edge ... i'm not a geek). This is similar to any mechanic or rice boy that modifies their car not necessarily by dropping new components into it, but tweeking for better performance..
... but then again, how many people really push their 2.8 MHz P4 to it's limits?
...
You're right when you say how ineffective it is these days in a monetary vs performance % gain
These boxes are most likely going to be aimed that rich kid with lots of money, that lacks the desire to learn to do it themselves.
Just a thought
Just a thought...
Better pay up those parking tickets ASAP.
I'm sure somewhere out on the Internet (Google.com comes to mind) the information is cached. How many times has information been available after lawsuits, infringements, and a range of other problems? How often are people able to get their email addresses of spam lists once it starts? I'm not going to be the one to post this information, but it's just something to think about...
Slashdot's aim is to post news and information that it's readers can benefit from. Simply because it is not an "article" doesn't negate its worth.
"This is like calling everyone from the US a Texan just because it's the biggest state." Technically, Alaska is the biggest state, with 656,425 square miles. Texas only has a mere 268,601 square miles in comparison. Does this make you as bad as the Washington Post?
Perception isn't necessarily a reality.
There is a large difference between a business account and simply getting more bandwidth. You aren't necessarily going to get premium service, just more bandwidth according to your tier / pricing plan. It is also worthwhile to mention the differences between residential accounts and business class accounts.
Aside from running servers and running a business, the most notable thing comes to mind is VPN usage. Almost all ISPs (including AT&T) have in their user agreements some clause that prohibits residential accounts to propagate IPsec and VPN traffic. Only a few (most notably, Comcast and Cox Communications) I'm aware actually do block it, but that's something to think about.