As mentioned briefly in the article, I would say that a *rocket-propelled* spacecraft with wings is a burden - it just doesn't make sense. However, if they could get something that takes off like a plane, then has a weaker rocket stage once it gets into the thinner upper atmosphere, that could be doable. Similarly, it could fly upon a very shallow re-entry, potentially preventing heat buildup, allowing it to land quite normally.
Ultimately, I think something like that is what they want, but is supposedly 20 years away.
It's where the term "bug", as we now know it, came from. Thus, that was the "first bug". Sure there were problems with the code/vacuum tubes/whatever before, but they never called it a "bug" until then.
Re-read parent - as he says, the way in which they wrote the log entry wouldn't make sense if that were true. They were being sarcastic when they affixed the moth to the log book, writing "First actual case of bug being found." This strongly implies that things were called "bugs" previously, but that they weren't literally insects. These guys had a sense of humor.
So the term was in use before these guys found the insect - this is simply the first incidence of the insect as in the urban legend, which postdates the original usage.
Also ducks' typical environments (plants, absorbing most sound) means that the echo is quiet. Therefore it's very hard to actually hear a distinct echo from a duck in its natural environment.
Um....*water*, reflecting most sound? Sound travels damned far on water.
"Ignorance of the law is no excuse", but if I am ignorant of the consequences I can plead insanity? How does this make any sense?
That's a bit off. You have to have a fundamental lack of understanding of the whole situation to actually be insane. It can't be "I had no idea smoking that crack could get me 2 to 5." It has to be a lower-level lack of understanding about how the whole action/consequence thing works.
So being ignorant of the law is no excuse, being ignorant of the consequences is no excuse, but being a frikkin' nutjob might be.
The developer at SGI stripped BSD copyright information. The code without the proper copyright information does not belong in the Linux Kernel. The code with the copyright information is fine.
Yeah, worst-case scenario UC Berkeley could sue them. I bet Berkeley has better things to do right about now.
It'll be interesting to see how Darl gets out of that one when the SEC knock on his door.
God and I hope they do. Because I couldn't say the things he does if I held a short position in SCO. Does the fact that he's the CEO somehow excuse him?
The interesting angle for me is the lawsuit. Can he just say he was defending himself in the "court of public opinion" regarging the lawsuit? Maybe he'll try to claim ignorance of the stock price?
For what it's worth, that statement by Darl is true, btw. Completely true. Perens stated that System V code is in Linux. He stated it shouldn't have been there. Darl just left out the part about it being old System V code that was taken from BSD, making the "taking" legal. He also left out the part about it sucking, which was why it "shouldn't have been there."
Now that the story has hit the mass media (come on, Slashdot _IS_ a Mass Media) I am sure people around the world will imitate and create their own tilings all over the world. At least I have considered the idea, I am sure other will not just consider it but actually do it.
I did too.;) However, I have complete confidence that the rest of slashdot is as lasy as we are.;)
The article pretty much discounts that because he would have been in his 70's when doing it.
I know, but I thought it was a little too quick. I've known some handy 70-yr-olds. If it wasn't that guy, it was either a friend or some nutter who read his article.
Plus they said this probably required heavy equipment. I can't see some guy in his 70's out in the middle of the night(Old people don't stay up late) lugging equipment around.
Way too general. Whoever this was certainly wasn't normal by any stretch, including age-related stereotypes, I'd expect.
The clue which points to him certainly is the best starting place, but I'm guessing its some other wacko who heard what he said and decided to make his crazy theories his life work.
Very much a possibility. I'm not discounting the old guy though, as he's the only certified nutjob known.
Also in some places they have reappeared when overpaved since they're sightings in the 80's.
Supposedly the guy didn't die all that long ago (late 90's?) so if that's the case he could have been responsible for a few generations of repavings at least.
I just hope having this on/. doesn't start a copycat craze. I'd would be a shame someone else took credit or led the investigation in the wrong direction.
If no more of these are appearing, maybe it is the old (now dead) guy in the article. He published an article about resurrecting dead on Jupiter, and he lived in philly where these first appeared.
Though I do agree a RICO suit may not be appropriate for SCO, but legal action is definitely in order (against SCO).
I would love to see it, but I don't know if they've been dumb enough to do anything flat out illegal - remember, they hired Boies. And while it's not Kosher for the mob to say, sell you "fire insurance" to make sure your house isn't burned down, SCO believes they have real "IP" interests here (I say IP because they keep changing their minds on which kind), and as such should be well within their rights to give a "discount" to those who "license" the IP before any legal wrangling.
In fact, going to everyone's second favorite lawsuit (DirecTV), that hasn't even been found illegal yet, as they've won so far. And what they did is far more blatant than SCO. "We're suing you. Send us some money, or we'll crush you like a bug."
I just don't think the racketeering or extortion suit against SCO will work.
Apparently they are. Did you even bother to read their article, or did you just assume they only have newsworthy articles on terrorism and Saddams latest antics?
Yes, I did, and it was a copy of one of the previous articles. Therefore, I'm guessing Hemos wa s trying to make some sort of point, as slashdot editors love doing on occasion
It's a fuel cell for chrissakes Hemos. Oh, while I'm at it, thanks for the Al Jazeera link. Naturally they're a great source for stories on...energy-storage materials?
I was just wondering why SCO hasn't been sued under RICO. It's the same type of thing, isn't it?
So far....not quite. First, SCO hasn't actually approached any customers, though they've blustered that they might. So your first problem is, who's the plaintiff in this theoretical case? Second, they don't offer a settlement, they offer licensing - and amnesty from something (a possible suit) that hasn't even been established yet.
Yes, it's a fine line, but SCO's dancing it pretty well.
So lemme get this straight...you've never heard of me, but I'm supposed to send you my identity and believe you won't find some way to screw me? Suuuuuure. Kind of like the old opt-out email list. We won't sell your name now that you've proven this email address is live...nooooo.
A lot of well-educated business types as well as those who swill mass quantities of beer and scratch themselves on the couch watch football. This translates to a lot of financial decision-makers in the home.
Damn. You got me. Right now I'm using linux, typing on slashdot while my experiments run. In about 2.5 hours I'll be on my couch, watching football, swilling beer, and the occasional scratch may also be required.
And you say that like something's wrong with it.;)
Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding the concept, but I was always under the impression that to "do" civil disobedience, you were supposed to do it in public, and get arrested for it.
1) It's as public as he can do without buying ad time, and the forum seems appropriate. I suppose he could have xeroxed copies and stood on the streetcorner, but most people passing would probably say "huh?" It's not like he's black, it's 1950, and there's a line on the floor of the bus he can sit in front of.
2) You don't have to actually get arrested, as you can't control what the authorities choose to do. You simply have to be pretty much resigned to it. He seems to be taking this approach.
3) He's not just trying to justify his greed in not wanting to pay for content. He's actively distributing older texts that aren't all that popular but which would be legal to copy now if it weren't for the Bono act.
Other than Jack Valenti (who came to my school, incidentally), who the hell actually likes the MPAA? I get your category 3 (movie fans), but I'm not seeing the first one.
Customers, typically speaking, purchase things. People who distribute copyrighted music for free over the internet to strangers are breaking copyright law and those who download from them are not paying for the music they download. Your definition of customer is slightly different from mine.
And your black-and-white portrayal of the situation assumes there is no one who belongs to both groups. I would predict significant crossover, actually.
I don't use kazaa, but I've had people play mp3's of their stuff at work, and occasionally these didn't get rigorously deleted when those people left. End result? I've bought a few of those albums, music that I never otherwise would have even tried. I have never wanted an album and gotten mp3's instead.
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As mentioned briefly in the article, I would say that a *rocket-propelled* spacecraft with wings is a burden - it just doesn't make sense. However, if they could get something that takes off like a plane, then has a weaker rocket stage once it gets into the thinner upper atmosphere, that could be doable. Similarly, it could fly upon a very shallow re-entry, potentially preventing heat buildup, allowing it to land quite normally.
Ultimately, I think something like that is what they want, but is supposedly 20 years away.
Re-read parent - as he says, the way in which they wrote the log entry wouldn't make sense if that were true. They were being sarcastic when they affixed the moth to the log book, writing "First actual case of bug being found." This strongly implies that things were called "bugs" previously, but that they weren't literally insects. These guys had a sense of humor.
So the term was in use before these guys found the insect - this is simply the first incidence of the insect as in the urban legend, which postdates the original usage.
Um....*water*, reflecting most sound? Sound travels damned far on water.
That's a bit off. You have to have a fundamental lack of understanding of the whole situation to actually be insane. It can't be "I had no idea smoking that crack could get me 2 to 5." It has to be a lower-level lack of understanding about how the whole action/consequence thing works.
So being ignorant of the law is no excuse, being ignorant of the consequences is no excuse, but being a frikkin' nutjob might be.
Yeah, worst-case scenario UC Berkeley could sue them. I bet Berkeley has better things to do right about now.
WHen the audience is weak-minded, yes.
God and I hope they do. Because I couldn't say the things he does if I held a short position in SCO. Does the fact that he's the CEO somehow excuse him?
The interesting angle for me is the lawsuit. Can he just say he was defending himself in the "court of public opinion" regarging the lawsuit? Maybe he'll try to claim ignorance of the stock price?
For what it's worth, that statement by Darl is true, btw. Completely true. Perens stated that System V code is in Linux. He stated it shouldn't have been there. Darl just left out the part about it being old System V code that was taken from BSD, making the "taking" legal. He also left out the part about it sucking, which was why it "shouldn't have been there."
I don't know why you guys don't like him. ;)
I did too. ;) However, I have complete confidence that the rest of slashdot is as lasy as we are. ;)
I know, but I thought it was a little too quick. I've known some handy 70-yr-olds. If it wasn't that guy, it was either a friend or some nutter who read his article.
Plus they said this probably required heavy equipment. I can't see some guy in his 70's out in the middle of the night(Old people don't stay up late) lugging equipment around.
Way too general. Whoever this was certainly wasn't normal by any stretch, including age-related stereotypes, I'd expect.
The clue which points to him certainly is the best starting place, but I'm guessing its some other wacko who heard what he said and decided to make his crazy theories his life work.
Very much a possibility. I'm not discounting the old guy though, as he's the only certified nutjob known.
Also in some places they have reappeared when overpaved since they're sightings in the 80's.
Supposedly the guy didn't die all that long ago (late 90's?) so if that's the case he could have been responsible for a few generations of repavings at least.
I just hope having this on /. doesn't start a copycat craze. I'd would be a shame someone else took credit or led the investigation in the wrong direction.
Don't worry, too lazy. ;)
If no more of these are appearing, maybe it is the old (now dead) guy in the article. He published an article about resurrecting dead on Jupiter, and he lived in philly where these first appeared.
I would love to see it, but I don't know if they've been dumb enough to do anything flat out illegal - remember, they hired Boies. And while it's not Kosher for the mob to say, sell you "fire insurance" to make sure your house isn't burned down, SCO believes they have real "IP" interests here (I say IP because they keep changing their minds on which kind), and as such should be well within their rights to give a "discount" to those who "license" the IP before any legal wrangling.
In fact, going to everyone's second favorite lawsuit (DirecTV), that hasn't even been found illegal yet, as they've won so far. And what they did is far more blatant than SCO. "We're suing you. Send us some money, or we'll crush you like a bug."
I just don't think the racketeering or extortion suit against SCO will work.
Yes, I did, and it was a copy of one of the previous articles. Therefore, I'm guessing Hemos wa s trying to make some sort of point, as slashdot editors love doing on occasion
It's a fuel cell for chrissakes Hemos. Oh, while I'm at it, thanks for the Al Jazeera link. Naturally they're a great source for stories on...energy-storage materials?
So far....not quite. First, SCO hasn't actually approached any customers, though they've blustered that they might. So your first problem is, who's the plaintiff in this theoretical case? Second, they don't offer a settlement, they offer licensing - and amnesty from something (a possible suit) that hasn't even been established yet.
Yes, it's a fine line, but SCO's dancing it pretty well.
Right, where are their priorities? We need to focus on the underpriveleged anime.
So lemme get this straight...you've never heard of me, but I'm supposed to send you my identity and believe you won't find some way to screw me? Suuuuuure. Kind of like the old opt-out email list. We won't sell your name now that you've proven this email address is live...nooooo.
Damn. You got me. Right now I'm using linux, typing on slashdot while my experiments run. In about 2.5 hours I'll be on my couch, watching football, swilling beer, and the occasional scratch may also be required.
And you say that like something's wrong with it. ;)
Use of Linux may lead to hairy palms, and in some cases, blindness.
It would be damned funny either way. The only question would be whether you got arrested or committed first. ;)
Vermin don't count. I'm sure cockroaches like them too. ;)
1) It's as public as he can do without buying ad time, and the forum seems appropriate. I suppose he could have xeroxed copies and stood on the streetcorner, but most people passing would probably say "huh?" It's not like he's black, it's 1950, and there's a line on the floor of the bus he can sit in front of.
2) You don't have to actually get arrested, as you can't control what the authorities choose to do. You simply have to be pretty much resigned to it. He seems to be taking this approach.
3) He's not just trying to justify his greed in not wanting to pay for content. He's actively distributing older texts that aren't all that popular but which would be legal to copy now if it weren't for the Bono act.
I liked it.
Other than Jack Valenti (who came to my school, incidentally), who the hell actually likes the MPAA? I get your category 3 (movie fans), but I'm not seeing the first one.
...evolution of their knuckle-dragging residents.
And your black-and-white portrayal of the situation assumes there is no one who belongs to both groups. I would predict significant crossover, actually.
I don't use kazaa, but I've had people play mp3's of their stuff at work, and occasionally these didn't get rigorously deleted when those people left. End result? I've bought a few of those albums, music that I never otherwise would have even tried. I have never wanted an album and gotten mp3's instead.
I'd recommend a good heat sink. Scorching the MoBo rarely increases performance even for Phoenix. ;)