Mandrake can be either a pointy clickety type install or you can do the old school text based install.
I think Mandrake has done an excellent job of creating tools which make Linux easy to install, maintain and use.
having a pretty unified desktop is useless if the administration tools require extensive reading of man pages just to change your resolution. mandrake is the leader in easy to use configuration tools which are a blessing to experienced linux users as well as anewbies.
Se got a demo profile 4 to evaluate. I was supposed to Install Win 98 and evaluate the machine for company use but I figured that it would be a good test to show TPTB how easy modern Linux distros were to install. I installed Mandrake 9 on one of those Gateway iMac clones http://www.gateway.com/home/products/hm_dtp_prf4.s html and it was the smoothest linux install I have ever done. The only glitch was that Mandrake installed the wrong monitor with X, so I had to change it, but win 98 did it on the same machine also. Win 98 thought it was a laptop.
Haven't had a lot of time to play with M9.0, but if it isn't ready for primetime, M10 will be.
<script language="VBScript"> Dim WSHShell Set WSHShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") WSHShell.Run "command/k net send * Hi!!! Why Dont you Buy our Latest product today", 2, False Set WSHShell = Nothing WScript.Quit(0) </script>
Imagine it in a perpetual loop, eveyone in the workgroup would get barraged with popups until the fool who clicked yes to the active x warning was found. Pretty annoying reason to have shut down a network.
The finding that MSFT is a monopoly is a sham. MSFT is a threat to the US Gubment, just like Standard Oil was and T was. It is not the predatory company practices which the Gubment cares about; it is control of the resources and in modern times, information has become a valuable resource. The lawsuit was more about putting MSFT at the mercy of the Gubment than in protecting citizens. Look at Intel, Uncle Sam called them a monopoly and forced them to open up the chip architecture. The result was the success of AMD. Did the consumer win, partially, but the main effect of the Gubment's actions was to guarantee an alternative supply of x86 chips if there was ever a need. OS's are different, there really cannot be an alternative supply of OS's because if the Gubment ever needed a bunch of copies of Windows, they can make their own.
MSFT is where it is today because of the Gubment. Gubment dollars created extensive revenues for MSFT and continue to this day.
In the end, MSFT is as much a victim of the Gubment as we all are. do you think it is a surprise that after the monopoly ruling that MSFT has made an incredible effort to invade peoples privacy. Is it MSFT that wants to watch you, or is MSFT doing what the Gubment tells them?
"There won't need to be a BSOD generator, as you get that free with every copy of Windows."
This must be part of your 1998 fetish. Wake up and smell the coffee, WinXP has been out for over a year now and it is MORE stable than Linux running X and a heavy desktop like KDE.
"[If you're a Windows weenie or MS shill considering replying, "It's stable, it's secure, it's efficient, you need to use it the *right* way and not upset it (ie it's fragile), blah, blah, fucking blah", please don't bother]"
If you are a retard who doesn't know WTF he is talkin aout, you must be dpt.
"Most already were out of a job when the bubble burst and everyone went back to whatever career path they had in 1996. Hence the misleading stats for computing related job-losses. How many of these are *really* computing, and how many just "putting up web pages", in most cases just lame filler while the MBAs searched in vain for a business model?"
Now you are picking on 1996!!! What happened to your favorite year, 1998?
When the bubble burst and hyndreds of dot.coms went out of business, the Admins, programmers and web-designers all got axed.
Most of the dot.coms had been delivering dynamic content which meant that FP and DW at the time were mostly NOT used. The smaller companies producing "brochure-ware" used such tools to create $500 static webpages.
It would be logical to assume that the out of work "designers" moved on to another medium. But that would contradict your warped sense of reality.
But please tell us all how difficult (X)HTML is and how one must have a deep understanding of such a simple markup language as well as it's "original intent."
That is not small. At 3.5 pounds, it is a monster. Try this http://www.upont.com/tx3.asp at a sleek 1.9 pounds. Get it from newegg http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=m anufactory&catalog=309&manufactory=1281&DEPA=1&sor tby=14&order=1 for $635.
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from your driveway and blowing the neighbors garbage cans over, creating huge dustclouds and taking out a few powerlines on the way to work. that will make you popular with the neighbors!!!!
"Not quite true. They added some ill-advised tags, yes. No one with any sense would have used these things anyway. But now that all the half-wits are going back to their "service industry" jobs, there's less pressure on the W3C to do lame shit like this."
You are a sadly informed retard. HTML3.2 added ALL of the presentational markup. Netscape and IE only added a few extensions.
"Sounds unlikely, if you think things like Javascript are anything other than stupid and broken."
Obviously you know nothing about javascript since.
1. Javascript is NOT specifically a client side scripting language
2. I have written complete text editors and WYSIWYG html editors in Javascript/CSS/HTML/DOM for our intranet.
I am just wondering, can you be any more of an uniformed idiot.
"That vast and comprehensive list of l33t programming tools you've mastered in a mere 3 years is truly stunning. I think the phrase I'm looking for is "script kiddy"... "
And you mother sucks my dick very nicely for h4x0ring her twat.
What is really amazing is that you are unable to learn simple programming languages.
"Please go and read a book that does not have a picture of the author on the cover, and that doesn't features the words "in 24 hours", or "for dummies" in the title. Thanks."
I will catch you in other threads and I will make it a point to demonstrate how much a clueless fucktart you really are.
"Looks like I hit the target. Worried about out job are we? Do you even *have* a job? A degree? A clue?"
Not exactly since I am the webmaster of a very large high volume website and people like you do not have the skills to take my job away.
Yes I have a degree.
Since I have a very well paying job with no possible threat to it and a college degree, that is two things i have which you do not.
Oh wait, three, I have a clue, you are ignorant.
"But hey, with that whole 3 years experience you are l33t h4x0r now without a doubt, so I'm sure you can avoid going back to Wendys for a while yet."
ROTFLMFAO. I have been programming for 15 years you retard. I said web programming for 3. Well not only are you stupid, ignorant and retarded, but you are also illiterate.
What is really sad is that it probably takes you years to master a programming language where most people can do it within months.
A true free market woudl solve that problem as businesses will sprng up to cater to people needs, desires and wants. If disabled people need special technology, tehn that technology shoudl be developed by their special interest group and notunder duress of litigation. Their technology shoudl enable them to interact in a non-disabled world, making a disabled world accomodate them is a fools game.
Because it is their website and they should be able to do whatever they want with it. If a blind person has trouble using it, then that is their problem. The airline is paying for the server and for the bandwidth, not the blind person. Perhaps we should charge blind people MORE because they are forcing everyone to use increased bandwidth. I do not need alt attributes in the webpages I download. I would prefer webpages without them as all they do is add bloat to the pages and takes longer to download.
As far as making sites inaccessible (that term is incorrect due to the way the WWW works). since the majority of the linked images have alt attributes, it looks more like the case of an accident where a hurried webmaster simply forgot a few of them. if the lawsuit was just over this, then I hope that blind man and access both rot in hell since all they really needed to do was email the webmaster and say "hey you forgot a few alt attributes and I am blind and cannot use the site." I am the webmaster for a very large and very popular real estate sit. While we do not use images for navigation, if we did and a few slipped through the cracks, I would add them as users complained.
The Southwest airlines site is not preventing anyone from doing anything. If the person cannot use it or cannot use portions of it, then it is that persons responsibility to acquire the technology. Nobody should be held accountible for overcoming anothers disability.
"Here's your free clue - HTML documents are *supposed* to be presentation independent. If you can't understand that, you shouldn't be allowed near a web site. The end."
Here is your fucking clue. There is no RULE which says HTML documents are required to be presentation independant. In fact, it was the beloved W3C which introduced the abortion called HTML 3.2 which made HTML a presentational markup language.
So even if it was not TBL's intent for HTML and the WWW to be device independant, the W3C made damn sure it was device dependant.
So before you get all cocky about how you know so much more about developing websites than people who learned HTML in 1998, get a fucking. I learned HTML in 1998, I also learned CSS, Javascript, PHP, ASP and Perl since then and I could still outcode your lame ass even if I WAS BLIND.
But please, do not be shy. Show us all some of your incredible work.
"Well no, it would more like having all the products in the store on a seven foot high shelf, so only seven footers can reach the items."
Get a step ladder.
"The difference with the blind is that they make up a smaller segment of the population, and so an inaccessible business won't be effected by a small backlash from a minority group. Majority groups are always insulated from these issues, but minority groups rarely are."
I thought all people were created equal. I thought the laws were so that all people would be equal. now we have a majority and minority. If so, then all people are not equal.
"Yes, he is being denied access. He can't access the site because the site doesn't work with his screen reader software."
The http protocol does not care if you are deaf, dumb or blind. As such, he CAN access the site. He may have difficulties in using the downloaded information, but he can access it.
Furthermore, you do not go to a website, you download the HTML page and read it locally.
The standards are a small part of it. if it was just left up to valid HTYML or invalid HTM, the case would be clear.
The WAI and Section 508 go way overboard and create special authoring requirements which in many cases can cause extreme code bloat(titles to all links, captions to all tables,labels on form fields,long alt text etc..), limit your selection of technologies (flash, javascript), force you to create invalid markup if you do not use HTML3.2 and dctates on how your information is to be structured.
I have no problem with delivering clean markup. I have no problesm with delivering logical menus. I do have a problem when anyone tells me I have to write my HTML in compliance with some law because blind people cannot get competant software.
I went to http://www.adaaccessnow.org and that page is anything but accessible. Bobby cannot even check the site. How the hell can they sue anyone over accesibility when their own front page is an abomination.
South West Airlines website is not an accessibility nightmare. Looks like Bobby has been slashdotted.
Nobody is entitled to use a webste. A blind person is not entitled to use a website either. It is up to the blind person to obtain the technology needed to access a website. If their screen reader software is not capable of doing the job, then they ned to get better software.
The disability laws were created to stop disabled people from being discriminated against, NOT to make their life more comfortable at the expense of the public.
Well i guess the good side is that it migght make Front Page and Dreamweaver cowboys obsolete and raise salaries for professional developes who know how to write HTML.
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Dumb_people == "like hard to use when easy to use is available";
In other words, you cannot be very bright if you CHOOSE TO DO THINGS THE DIFFICULT WAY.
I think Mandrake has done an excellent job of creating tools which make Linux easy to install, maintain and use.
having a pretty unified desktop is useless if the administration tools require extensive reading of man pages just to change your resolution. mandrake is the leader in easy to use configuration tools which are a blessing to experienced linux users as well as anewbies.
Haven't had a lot of time to play with M9.0, but if it isn't ready for primetime, M10 will be.
Imagine it in a perpetual loop, eveyone in the workgroup would get barraged with popups until the fool who clicked yes to the active x warning was found. Pretty annoying reason to have shut down a network.
Is this a new security flaw in Windows?
If you crashed, you probably had a hardware problem or your system overheated.
But we can talk about a linux box sitting there doing nothing but blurting out kernel oopses all day long.
MSFT is where it is today because of the Gubment. Gubment dollars created extensive revenues for MSFT and continue to this day.
In the end, MSFT is as much a victim of the Gubment as we all are. do you think it is a surprise that after the monopoly ruling that MSFT has made an incredible effort to invade peoples privacy. Is it MSFT that wants to watch you, or is MSFT doing what the Gubment tells them?
Of course Linux saves on the electric bill, you cannot sit in front of a linux box for 12 hours playing Everquest.
This must be part of your 1998 fetish. Wake up and smell the coffee, WinXP has been out for over a year now and it is MORE stable than Linux running X and a heavy desktop like KDE.
"[If you're a Windows weenie or MS shill considering replying, "It's stable, it's secure, it's efficient, you need to use it the *right* way and not upset it (ie it's fragile), blah, blah, fucking blah", please don't bother]"
If you are a retard who doesn't know WTF he is talkin aout, you must be dpt.
Now you are picking on 1996!!! What happened to your favorite year, 1998?
When the bubble burst and hyndreds of dot.coms went out of business, the Admins, programmers and web-designers all got axed.
Most of the dot.coms had been delivering dynamic content which meant that FP and DW at the time were mostly NOT used. The smaller companies producing "brochure-ware" used such tools to create $500 static webpages.
It would be logical to assume that the out of work "designers" moved on to another medium. But that would contradict your warped sense of reality.
But please tell us all how difficult (X)HTML is and how one must have a deep understanding of such a simple markup language as well as it's "original intent."
In Mandrake 8.+ it involves nothing more than pushing a button. Kinda easy if you ask me.
That is not small. At 3.5 pounds, it is a monster. Try this http://www.upont.com/tx3.asp at a sleek 1.9 pounds. Get it from newegg http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=m anufactory&catalog=309&manufactory=1281&DEPA=1&sor tby=14&order=1 for $635.
from your driveway and blowing the neighbors garbage cans over, creating huge dustclouds and taking out a few powerlines on the way to work. that will make you popular with the neighbors!!!!
1. GOTO 2
2. PRINT "I am a programmer"
3. BEEP
4. END
If your goal is a multipresentaional design.
"Not quite true. They added some ill-advised tags, yes. No one with any sense would have used these things anyway. But now that all the half-wits are going back to their "service industry" jobs, there's less pressure on the W3C to do lame shit like this."
You are a sadly informed retard. HTML3.2 added ALL of the presentational markup. Netscape and IE only added a few extensions.
"Sounds unlikely, if you think things like Javascript are anything other than stupid and broken."
Obviously you know nothing about javascript since.
1. Javascript is NOT specifically a client side scripting language
2. I have written complete text editors and WYSIWYG html editors in Javascript/CSS/HTML/DOM for our intranet.
I am just wondering, can you be any more of an uniformed idiot.
"That vast and comprehensive list of l33t programming tools you've mastered in a mere 3 years is truly stunning. I think the phrase I'm looking for is "script kiddy" ... "
And you mother sucks my dick very nicely for h4x0ring her twat.
What is really amazing is that you are unable to learn simple programming languages.
"Please go and read a book that does not have a picture of the author on the cover, and that doesn't features the words "in 24 hours", or "for dummies" in the title. Thanks."
I will catch you in other threads and I will make it a point to demonstrate how much a clueless fucktart you really are.
"Looks like I hit the target. Worried about out job are we? Do you even *have* a job? A degree? A clue?"
Not exactly since I am the webmaster of a very large high volume website and people like you do not have the skills to take my job away.
Yes I have a degree.
Since I have a very well paying job with no possible threat to it and a college degree, that is two things i have which you do not.
Oh wait, three, I have a clue, you are ignorant.
"But hey, with that whole 3 years experience you are l33t h4x0r now without a doubt, so I'm sure you can avoid going back to Wendys for a while yet."
ROTFLMFAO. I have been programming for 15 years you retard. I said web programming for 3. Well not only are you stupid, ignorant and retarded, but you are also illiterate.
What is really sad is that it probably takes you years to master a programming language where most people can do it within months.
A true free market woudl solve that problem as businesses will sprng up to cater to people needs, desires and wants. If disabled people need special technology, tehn that technology shoudl be developed by their special interest group and notunder duress of litigation. Their technology shoudl enable them to interact in a non-disabled world, making a disabled world accomodate them is a fools game.
As far as making sites inaccessible (that term is incorrect due to the way the WWW works). since the majority of the linked images have alt attributes, it looks more like the case of an accident where a hurried webmaster simply forgot a few of them. if the lawsuit was just over this, then I hope that blind man and access both rot in hell since all they really needed to do was email the webmaster and say "hey you forgot a few alt attributes and I am blind and cannot use the site." I am the webmaster for a very large and very popular real estate sit. While we do not use images for navigation, if we did and a few slipped through the cracks, I would add them as users complained.
The Southwest airlines site is not preventing anyone from doing anything. If the person cannot use it or cannot use portions of it, then it is that persons responsibility to acquire the technology. Nobody should be held accountible for overcoming anothers disability.
Then I go somewhere else. No big deal.
Here is your fucking clue. There is no RULE which says HTML documents are required to be presentation independant. In fact, it was the beloved W3C which introduced the abortion called HTML 3.2 which made HTML a presentational markup language.
So even if it was not TBL's intent for HTML and the WWW to be device independant, the W3C made damn sure it was device dependant.
So before you get all cocky about how you know so much more about developing websites than people who learned HTML in 1998, get a fucking. I learned HTML in 1998, I also learned CSS, Javascript, PHP, ASP and Perl since then and I could still outcode your lame ass even if I WAS BLIND.
But please, do not be shy. Show us all some of your incredible work.
Maybe they weren't. It was settled privately so we will never really know will we.
Get a step ladder. "The difference with the blind is that they make up a smaller segment of the population, and so an inaccessible business won't be effected by a small backlash from a minority group. Majority groups are always insulated from these issues, but minority groups rarely are."
I thought all people were created equal. I thought the laws were so that all people would be equal. now we have a majority and minority. If so, then all people are not equal.
The http protocol does not care if you are deaf, dumb or blind. As such, he CAN access the site. He may have difficulties in using the downloaded information, but he can access it.
Furthermore, you do not go to a website, you download the HTML page and read it locally.
The WAI and Section 508 go way overboard and create special authoring requirements which in many cases can cause extreme code bloat(titles to all links, captions to all tables,labels on form fields ,long alt text etc..), limit your selection of technologies (flash, javascript), force you to create invalid markup if you do not use HTML3.2 and dctates on how your information is to be structured.
I have no problem with delivering clean markup. I have no problesm with delivering logical menus. I do have a problem when anyone tells me I have to write my HTML in compliance with some law because blind people cannot get competant software.
No shit.
South West Airlines website is not an accessibility nightmare. Looks like Bobby has been slashdotted.
Nobody is entitled to use a webste. A blind person is not entitled to use a website either. It is up to the blind person to obtain the technology needed to access a website. If their screen reader software is not capable of doing the job, then they ned to get better software.
The disability laws were created to stop disabled people from being discriminated against, NOT to make their life more comfortable at the expense of the public.
Well i guess the good side is that it migght make Front Page and Dreamweaver cowboys obsolete and raise salaries for professional developes who know how to write HTML.
errrrr.... SVHS, Composite, or just the regular coax that plugs in from your sat/cable box.