They are obliged to provide SRPM's and do so - it's all on the CD's/DVD you get when you buy SLES. Also, when you access the secure, password protected site to get your patches, you can also find the patch SRPM's there.
Oh, you mean provide *free of charge*? No, I don't recall reading anywhere that you have to provide source to all and sundry for no cost. Only to your users.....
I'm not sure what it is you are disagreeing with, really - I have seen roadmaps for OES 8 months ago, I know what it is, I know how Novell is positioning it, and I know what it will will do. Novell clearly states it is "two operating systems" - it says so in the FAQ I linked to, as well as in all the other literature. My company has been a Novell partner for a long time, so I have had access to OES for some time now.
I would appreciate it if you could point out to me what bits of my post you disagree with. What bits of my criticism to Novell do you think is unfounded? You are at risk of sounding like a Novell fan-boy, with little factual foundations to back up your undying love for Novell.
well, no.. Novell Open Enterprise Server != Linux. It's primarily Netware, with bits of Linux thrown in. Extra, Extra, Read All About It!
Some choice quotes: 1. What is Novell Open Enterprise Server?
[...]Open Enterprise Server delivers some of the best technologies and services developed by the open source community, as well as fully developed proprietary services that routinely solve business problems for enterprise customers. (because only proprietary services can solve business problems for enterprise customers?)
5. What is happening to NetWare (and NetWare 7)?
NetWare is a critical component of IT infrastructures around the world serving millions of users. It will continue to be the platform of choice for many customers. The NetWare roadmap is converging with the best the Linux community has to offer, SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server, and together they will make up Novell Open Enterprise Server. NetWare is not gone, but continues on as an important part of this new product offering. As Ed Anderson, vice president of Platform Services at Novell said in the Future of NetWare article, "Let me state this as clearly as I can: Novell is making investments in both NetWare and Linux. Novell Open Enterprise Server is proof we are supporting both, and they will be combined into one package. This will continue until customers' needs change."
8. How will Novell Open Enterprise Server be licensed?
Novell Open Enterprise Server will be licensed on a per-user basis. (the last company to try and license linux on a per-user basis was Caldera, just before they became SCO)
Let me repeat - Novell OES is a *Netware* product, with bits of SLES9 thrown in. This is a *Netware* play. Linux is being used for marketing purposes, as well to ensure that real applications will actually work, since people stopped supporting Netware ages ago - in particular, look at FAQ number 22.
Yes, I have both direct knowledge as well as direct experience with the API, it is simple but cool, very functional, and "It Just Works(tm)". In a recent linux cluster project I delivered for a customer we used the cards as STONITH (hope I spelled it to your liking) devices, driven by PERL and SSH. They do VNC as well.
The Dell 2650 server is nice little middle-of-the-road server, that comes witha kick-ass out of band management card, that will allow you to do all kinds of fun stuff, even when the host is switched off - it has a great PERL interface, so you can script it as well - i know that you probably don't have dells, etc, but you may want to check out out of band management cards as well as KVM solutions. They really rock.
The byline to the photo with the story is rather unfortunate - under a picture of a man holding a seemingly molded petri dish, is the text "DeMendi with his Brain"
agreed - and by the way, do you know how much faster i can read the NYTimes website since I installed Gentoo? My G4 Gentoo PPC is really fast since I included the new "FastRead" USE variable.
Yeah - WBEM (Web Based Enteprise Management) has been around for some time now, and at the time was also touted to replace SNMP. Now they are doing the same thing again, probably with more patents attached, and using SOAP.
If it didn't work first time around, why would it work now?
A finely crafted troll. Nevertheless, I'll bite. Funny you should mention wireless - the vast majority of wireless drivers in Linux have been developed by a guy on the HP payroll, and the project is actively sponsored by HP.
What is more, a very good chunck of HP printers are supported under linux, please use something like CUPS to do your printing, and you will find that most HP printers will just work, with HP supplied "drivers" (printers don't need drivers, they need definition files).
As for "downloading, compiling and installing alsa drivers", you must be running Gentoo then, or some other source-based distro. Most non-source based distros have full pre-compiled alsa support built in. Given the issues you have with getting even the most basic of tasks worked out in Linux, you should probably stay away from the big-boy distro's for now, and start with something simple. I strongly suggest you try out SUSE or Mandrake. Goes nice with your MCSE.
Finally, as for HP paying lipservice: HP has probably invested a whole lot more into Linux and Linux development then you have.....
Getting a trademarks by itself is not too cpstly, it is the required due dilligence beforehand that will cost you money. Also, setting up an open, non-profit organisation is very expensive to do, and to maintain. Then, who would be runniong this organisation? who would decide what product, group of developers, or organisation gets to use the name? for how long? what if a few developers want to go commercial and sell services around the open source product? what happens to the name? what is a second group of developers get the same idea and want to do the same thing? how do you decide conflict resolution?
If you have a catchy name that you want to protect, trademark it yourself. You can then do the right thing for as long as you want to, without being beholden to some organisation.
the deepest fear in DoD these days is friendly fire.
No it isn't - if it was, they would have burned all the patriot systems already. the biggest fear in DoD is making sure their pet contractors stay on the payroll so that they keep getting their kickbacks.
Hmm, maybe you should revisit linux cluster then - it all depends on what components you use to build your cluster. There are several mechanisms available today that will allow you to deal with the situations you describe - on the systems level, there is STONITH - if you are not that a machine is part of the cluster, kill it. Then on the application level there are a variety of solutions that can be utilised.
Do you honestly believe that the likes of (insert name of very big pharma, rhymes with "ein") or some of the examples in the top 500 will spend millions of dollars on DNS or Apache read only systems Supercomputers?
Scott McNeally must be jumping for joy everytime he sees FUD like yours printed - he sees his marketing dollars paid off handsomely. Linux clustering is a mature, solid and reliable solution to a large array of computational problems. There are problems that cannot be solved effeciently with a massively parrallel setup, and for those, you would look to the more expensive, but in it's own catagory, very competitive, NUMA system like the one designed by SGI. And it still runs Linux.
My understanding of the pSeries - particulalry the POWER5 - is that processor lock-stepping / mirror pipelinig is a feature. Not sure about the iSeries though, but for the pSeries I am pretty sure I have heard a few IBM marketing drones blabbing on about....
I was only half kidding with the sendmail comment - (flamebait indeed, braindead moderators - looks like these days, anybody on slashdot with an account.... oh wait) read the IBM readbooks on mainframe linux: Sendmail and lotus notes are prime examples pushed by IBM for mainframe use. Rule of thumb when considering the zSeries: if your application needs to push *enormous* amounts of data around *really* fast, but does not need much in the way of processing, especially interactive processing, then the mainframe would be a contender. of sorts. note though, that these days, there are several other systems and architectures around that can rival the mainframe for datamanagement capacity, uptime and abilities, at (again) a fraction of the cost. read the IBM redbook on mainframe linux - it really is an eye opener about how old, decrepid, and *crap* the mainframe really is.
Best course of action when you find yourself considering mainframes - especially IBM mainframes - is to beat yourself over the head with a large stick, several times. Then think about the iSeries (also runs linux) or pSeries (also runs linux, now available in sexy blade format). Or better yet, bust out those old 486's from the back of the office cupboard (firehazard, anyway).
As everybody that has read the IBM redbooks about mainframe linux knows, Sendmail is the service of choice! Of course, you could run Postfix on a decrepid old pentium-1 and get the same level of perfomance, but that won't help IBM with their Mainframe income, will it?
Cache reduction - ehh cash reduction. One of the prime reasons Sun is losing serious levels of installed base to Linux is not because linux is better, it is because Sun is bloody expensive - outrageously so. And while most customers had to endure the annual fleecing with gritted teeth - due to lack of alternatives - Sun is now being pummeled out of datacenter after datacenter.
I have replaced Sun Hardware/Software combo's in the core datacenter for many of our customers, and I can tell you that yes - Sun brings some amazing features to the table - most of which are there to serve old technology. Linux on simple CPU's delivers such an amazing price performance (depending on the job, we see an average of 3x to 4x performance increase for 25% of the cost. That means that if I were to spend the same, lifecycle-wise, on a Linux cluster as I would on a big Sun box like the 10k or 15k, I'd end up with 12x to 16x the performance of the Sun solution.
The same functionality in terms of cpu and ram (and other hardware) failure is available on the Linux cluster, albeit in less graceful form - the magic spell to invoke goes like this:
shutdown -h now
if I have 300 machines crunching my data, I can afford to lose a couple, and can afford to have a few hot-standby's.
Of course, the massively parrallel architecture does not work for all applications, and in those cases you would look to use either OpenMOSIX or of course the (relatively expensive) SGI box mentioned in this article.
Funny - you say you disagree with my statement about the balanced scorecard disproving a single-minded vision of corporate management, and then you go on to confirm my statement in the same paragraph (you say "it's idea of importance of measuring performance from many different aspects - not just the bottom line - is good" - which is exactly where I am coming from)
As for corporate management, the only two tools you *really* need for the main stuff are MOST (Mission, Objective, Strategy, Tactics) and
SWOT (Strenghts, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats) - everything else fits in one of those areas. However, BSC most certainly fits with the MOST area, and simply helps articulate things. elevating it to "all encompassing" status in any type of organisations imply shows that the management consultant has lost the plot (as usual)
Your statements around MSFT bear further thought on your part though - if you for one moment assume that MSFT is not aware and actively engaging with respect to the industry it occupies and the changes that are happeninig - constantly - within that industry, you have a nasty little suprise coming your way some time soon. Few people realise that, whatever happens from here on out, MSFT is going to be around for a very long time, and is going to play a large part in whatever software mix is being delivered to customers. Talking about them as if they have failed, or are history is naive and demonstrates a lack of insight about the industry we occupy.
The cost per employee at msft is high, partly due to some of the best working conditions in the industry - love 'em or hate em', msft is consistently voted as the best place to work, at least here in the UK, but i'm pretty sure the states is more or less the same.
Ballmer (if he would have had hair) is a typical PHB , in that he thinks that cutting costs in some of these "extra's" will make the company "perform better", but usually, the opposite is true. Ballmer and his yes-men probably have not heard about some of the modern management techniques that disprove this single-minded vision of manageing a company. The free Coke's are probably next to go. Along with a fair chunk of employee productivity, no doubt.
because software is traded "as is" - first of all, there is no transfer of property, so there is no sale, hence most consumer protection laws don't apply. Second, consumer protection law is there to protect you being fooled by dishonest tradespeople. Since it is sold "as is", and moreover, since the only people left on this planet that don't know that Windows is a stinking pile of crap is some lost tribe in the dark jungle of borneo, you can't really claim to have been tricked now, can you?
There are still plenty of VC's around - and they have plenty of cash as well! Maybe it is you? Maybe they think your idea sucks? giving away more things for free? they know that that is an exceptionally difficult business model to pull off, and will only work when you have some exceptionally good services to give away.
In your case, there is little that is unique, and you don't seem to have any USP's (unique selling points), anything that I can't already get elsewhere, as part of a larger service, and most importantly, readily visible revenue stream.
I'm sorry to be blunt and harsh mate, but the VC's are still there, they are just talking to people with a better plan......
Make sure Tanenbaum, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are listed, otherwise Ken Brown will get upset. Who knows what he will get up to if provoked - he may call all Linux developers thieves, or even worse names!
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They are obliged to provide SRPM's and do so - it's all on the CD's/DVD you get when you buy SLES. Also, when you access the secure, password protected site to get your patches, you can also find the patch SRPM's there.
Oh, you mean provide *free of charge*? No, I don't recall reading anywhere that you have to provide source to all and sundry for no cost. Only to your users.....
I'm not sure what it is you are disagreeing with, really - I have seen roadmaps for OES 8 months ago, I know what it is, I know how Novell is positioning it, and I know what it will will do. Novell clearly states it is "two operating systems" - it says so in the FAQ I linked to, as well as in all the other literature. My company has been a Novell partner for a long time, so I have had access to OES for some time now.
I would appreciate it if you could point out to me what bits of my post you disagree with. What bits of my criticism to Novell do you think is unfounded? You are at risk of sounding like a Novell fan-boy, with little factual foundations to back up your undying love for Novell.
well, no.. Novell Open Enterprise Server != Linux. It's primarily Netware, with bits of Linux thrown in. Extra, Extra, Read All About It!
Some choice quotes:
1. What is Novell Open Enterprise Server?
[...]Open Enterprise Server delivers some of the best technologies and services developed by the open source community, as well as fully developed proprietary services that routinely solve business problems for enterprise customers. (because only proprietary services can solve business problems for enterprise customers?)
5. What is happening to NetWare (and NetWare 7)?
NetWare is a critical component of IT infrastructures around the world serving millions of users. It will continue to be the platform of choice for many customers. The NetWare roadmap is converging with the best the Linux community has to offer, SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server, and together they will make up Novell Open Enterprise Server. NetWare is not gone, but continues on as an important part of this new product offering. As Ed Anderson, vice president of Platform Services at Novell said in the Future of NetWare article, "Let me state this as clearly as I can: Novell is making investments in both NetWare and Linux. Novell Open Enterprise Server is proof we are supporting both, and they will be combined into one package. This will continue until customers' needs change."
8. How will Novell Open Enterprise Server be licensed?
Novell Open Enterprise Server will be licensed on a per-user basis. (the last company to try and license linux on a per-user basis was Caldera, just before they became SCO)
Let me repeat - Novell OES is a *Netware* product, with bits of SLES9 thrown in. This is a *Netware* play. Linux is being used for marketing purposes, as well to ensure that real applications will actually work, since people stopped supporting Netware ages ago - in particular, look at FAQ number 22.
Yes, I have both direct knowledge as well as direct experience with the API, it is simple but cool, very functional, and "It Just Works(tm)". In a recent linux cluster project I delivered for a customer we used the cards as STONITH (hope I spelled it to your liking) devices, driven by PERL and SSH. They do VNC as well.
;-)
And yes, you do sound snobby...
The Dell 2650 server is nice little middle-of-the-road server, that comes witha kick-ass out of band management card, that will allow you to do all kinds of fun stuff, even when the host is switched off - it has a great PERL interface, so you can script it as well - i know that you probably don't have dells, etc, but you may want to check out out of band management cards as well as KVM solutions. They really rock.
The byline to the photo with the story is rather unfortunate - under a picture of a man holding a seemingly molded petri dish, is the text "DeMendi with his Brain"
A Beowolf cluster of these.....
(sorry - couldn't resist)
agreed - and by the way, do you know how much faster i can read the NYTimes website since I installed Gentoo? My G4 Gentoo PPC is really fast since I included the new "FastRead" USE variable.
Gent00 R0cks!!
Compiere rocks. period. It'll do loads more then just be a Purchase order system, and is really effective
Yeah - WBEM (Web Based Enteprise Management) has been around for some time now, and at the time was also touted to replace SNMP. Now they are doing the same thing again, probably with more patents attached, and using SOAP.
If it didn't work first time around, why would it work now?
A finely crafted troll. Nevertheless, I'll bite. Funny you should mention wireless - the vast majority of wireless drivers in Linux have been developed by a guy on the HP payroll, and the project is actively sponsored by HP.
What is more, a very good chunck of HP printers are supported under linux, please use something like CUPS to do your printing, and you will find that most HP printers will just work, with HP supplied "drivers" (printers don't need drivers, they need definition files).
As for "downloading, compiling and installing alsa drivers", you must be running Gentoo then, or some other source-based distro. Most non-source based distros have full pre-compiled alsa support built in. Given the issues you have with getting even the most basic of tasks worked out in Linux, you should probably stay away from the big-boy distro's for now, and start with something simple. I strongly suggest you try out SUSE or Mandrake. Goes nice with your MCSE.
Finally, as for HP paying lipservice: HP has probably invested a whole lot more into Linux and Linux development then you have.....
Getting a trademarks by itself is not too cpstly, it is the required due dilligence beforehand that will cost you money. Also, setting up an open, non-profit organisation is very expensive to do, and to maintain. Then, who would be runniong this organisation? who would decide what product, group of developers, or organisation gets to use the name? for how long? what if a few developers want to go commercial and sell services around the open source product? what happens to the name? what is a second group of developers get the same idea and want to do the same thing? how do you decide conflict resolution?
If you have a catchy name that you want to protect, trademark it yourself. You can then do the right thing for as long as you want to, without being beholden to some organisation.
Yes, because movies are the definitive guide to modern technology.
the deepest fear in DoD these days is friendly fire.
No it isn't - if it was, they would have burned all the patriot systems already. the biggest fear in DoD is making sure their pet contractors stay on the payroll so that they keep getting their kickbacks.
Hmm, maybe you should revisit linux cluster then - it all depends on what components you use to build your cluster. There are several mechanisms available today that will allow you to deal with the situations you describe - on the systems level, there is STONITH - if you are not that a machine is part of the cluster, kill it. Then on the application level there are a variety of solutions that can be utilised.
Do you honestly believe that the likes of (insert name of very big pharma, rhymes with "ein") or some of the examples in the top 500 will spend millions of dollars on DNS or Apache read only systems Supercomputers?
Scott McNeally must be jumping for joy everytime he sees FUD like yours printed - he sees his marketing dollars paid off handsomely. Linux clustering is a mature, solid and reliable solution to a large array of computational problems. There are problems that cannot be solved effeciently with a massively parrallel setup, and for those, you would look to the more expensive, but in it's own catagory, very competitive, NUMA system like the one designed by SGI. And it still runs Linux.
My understanding of the pSeries - particulalry the POWER5 - is that processor lock-stepping / mirror pipelinig is a feature. Not sure about the iSeries though, but for the pSeries I am pretty sure I have heard a few IBM marketing drones blabbing on about....
I was only half kidding with the sendmail comment - (flamebait indeed, braindead moderators - looks like these days, anybody on slashdot with an account.... oh wait) read the IBM readbooks on mainframe linux: Sendmail and lotus notes are prime examples pushed by IBM for mainframe use. Rule of thumb when considering the zSeries: if your application needs to push *enormous* amounts of data around *really* fast, but does not need much in the way of processing, especially interactive processing, then the mainframe would be a contender. of sorts. note though, that these days, there are several other systems and architectures around that can rival the mainframe for datamanagement capacity, uptime and abilities, at (again) a fraction of the cost. read the IBM redbook on mainframe linux - it really is an eye opener about how old, decrepid, and *crap* the mainframe really is.
Best course of action when you find yourself considering mainframes - especially IBM mainframes - is to beat yourself over the head with a large stick, several times. Then think about the iSeries (also runs linux) or pSeries (also runs linux, now available in sexy blade format). Or better yet, bust out those old 486's from the back of the office cupboard (firehazard, anyway).
As everybody that has read the IBM redbooks about mainframe linux knows, Sendmail is the service of choice! Of course, you could run Postfix on a decrepid old pentium-1 and get the same level of perfomance, but that won't help IBM with their Mainframe income, will it?
I have replaced Sun Hardware/Software combo's in the core datacenter for many of our customers, and I can tell you that yes - Sun brings some amazing features to the table - most of which are there to serve old technology. Linux on simple CPU's delivers such an amazing price performance (depending on the job, we see an average of 3x to 4x performance increase for 25% of the cost. That means that if I were to spend the same, lifecycle-wise, on a Linux cluster as I would on a big Sun box like the 10k or 15k, I'd end up with 12x to 16x the performance of the Sun solution.
The same functionality in terms of cpu and ram (and other hardware) failure is available on the Linux cluster, albeit in less graceful form - the magic spell to invoke goes like this: if I have 300 machines crunching my data, I can afford to lose a couple, and can afford to have a few hot-standby's.
Of course, the massively parrallel architecture does not work for all applications, and in those cases you would look to use either OpenMOSIX or of course the (relatively expensive) SGI box mentioned in this article.
Hi Pekka,
Funny - you say you disagree with my statement about the balanced scorecard disproving a single-minded vision of corporate management, and then you go on to confirm my statement in the same paragraph (you say "it's idea of importance of measuring performance from many different aspects - not just the bottom line - is good" - which is exactly where I am coming from)
As for corporate management, the only two tools you *really* need for the main stuff are MOST (Mission, Objective, Strategy, Tactics) and SWOT (Strenghts, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats) - everything else fits in one of those areas. However, BSC most certainly fits with the MOST area, and simply helps articulate things. elevating it to "all encompassing" status in any type of organisations imply shows that the management consultant has lost the plot (as usual)
Your statements around MSFT bear further thought on your part though - if you for one moment assume that MSFT is not aware and actively engaging with respect to the industry it occupies and the changes that are happeninig - constantly - within that industry, you have a nasty little suprise coming your way some time soon. Few people realise that, whatever happens from here on out, MSFT is going to be around for a very long time, and is going to play a large part in whatever software mix is being delivered to customers. Talking about them as if they have failed, or are history is naive and demonstrates a lack of insight about the industry we occupy.
wrong - if you bother to look up the facts you will find that MSFT scores 13th on the total list, and second in IT/Tech companies.
The cost per employee at msft is high, partly due to some of the best working conditions in the industry - love 'em or hate em', msft is consistently voted as the best place to work, at least here in the UK, but i'm pretty sure the states is more or less the same. Ballmer (if he would have had hair) is a typical PHB , in that he thinks that cutting costs in some of these "extra's" will make the company "perform better", but usually, the opposite is true. Ballmer and his yes-men probably have not heard about some of the modern management techniques that disprove this single-minded vision of manageing a company. The free Coke's are probably next to go. Along with a fair chunk of employee productivity, no doubt.
because software is traded "as is" - first of all, there is no transfer of property, so there is no sale, hence most consumer protection laws don't apply. Second, consumer protection law is there to protect you being fooled by dishonest tradespeople. Since it is sold "as is", and moreover, since the only people left on this planet that don't know that Windows is a stinking pile of crap is some lost tribe in the dark jungle of borneo, you can't really claim to have been tricked now, can you?
Just don't buy it to begin with.....
There are still plenty of VC's around - and they have plenty of cash as well! Maybe it is you? Maybe they think your idea sucks? giving away more things for free? they know that that is an exceptionally difficult business model to pull off, and will only work when you have some exceptionally good services to give away.
In your case, there is little that is unique, and you don't seem to have any USP's (unique selling points), anything that I can't already get elsewhere, as part of a larger service, and most importantly, readily visible revenue stream.
I'm sorry to be blunt and harsh mate, but the VC's are still there, they are just talking to people with a better plan......
Make sure Tanenbaum, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are listed, otherwise Ken Brown will get upset. Who knows what he will get up to if provoked - he may call all Linux developers thieves, or even worse names!