Only inside the human mind. Show a newspaper to an animal and all it will see is paper with funny shaped dark stuff printed on it. Words only exist in the sense of how they're printed or displayed, nothing more. Anything further only exists on the conciousness of the person percieving it.
Given that mozilla is open source , you'd have thought they'd have supported an open source OS. I can't see why it should be an issue porting to linux , after all , the only difference is in the draw-to-screen API. ANyone know why its not supported?
Whatever someone may feel about Windows or some other OS, if thats what the company requires you to use then you have to use it. Its their computer, they're paying you money , you do what they tell you. You wouldn't expect to get away with repainting your desk , or putting down a new carpet around where you sit "because I don't like grey" , so why do some people think they can get away with messing around with the company computer. Its not your property. Yes , Ubunto is a great distribution , but pissing off your boss this way is not a good way to spread the Open Source message. IMO anyway.
"those apps that you HAVE to have, there is Wine and 'rdesktop'."
*cough* Yeah , WINE is so 100% compatible *cough*. Sorry , much as I despise windows , you'll find lots of firms require various windows apps to be used (no , not just virus checkers) that WINE simply isn't up for. In fact from my own experiments running WINE , it has enough problems running common apps like Office , never mind more esoteric , possibly in-house programs.
Seems every other month some ivory tower researcher or technoevangelist with their crystal ball pops up and proclaims we're all going to have pervasive computeting/nanobots in our blood/holographic memory downloads etc etc blah fscking blah. Whether or not these technologies are physically possible (I suspect most are) , what these socially inept ubergeeks fail to realise is that probably 95% of the population won't want it , so therefor this blade runner type world they keep waffling on about will only ever remain science fiction for the vast majority of the population.
Please tell us how someone would *remotely* exploit a *local* root exploit then if they didn't have an account. You see , if it could be exploited remotely via buffer overflow etc it wouldn't be classified as a *local* exploit. Are you following this simple logic? No? Well , the clue trains leaving soon , I suggest you buy a ticket.
"Usually by the time I get around the truck, my blood pressure is in the rafters. "
Same here. There should be some traffic law that says if you haven't passed after X mseconds you must immediately pull back in behind. Course it'll never happen but we can dream...
The amount of times I've seen one truck trying to overtake another (usually going uphill! Wtf?!) on a 2 lane road so causing hundreds of metres of car traffic building up behind I've lost count of. What exactly is the point of overtaking another truck if you're only going 0.5 mph faster? I mean really , what is the point? If I was of a paranoid nature I'd say the truckers did it on purpose just to piss off the car drivers.
If you have a better way of finding out information (other than visiting the wells) about the enviromental impact than reading enviromental impact documents I'd love to hear it.
"Amazingly, you seem to think that reading will somehow make this clear to me. "
So you can't read? Can't say I'm surprised. Incidentaly , calling someone a troll because you have a difference of opinion is very slashdot , and very adolesecent.
If the US wasted less oil it wouldn't need to drill in a wildlife refuge right now as there would be a plentiful supply already. And a small footprint it might be , but the pollution it caused will have a very large footprint , plus it sets a precident and now no wildlife sanctuary in the US is safe.
"There are some tricky parts but the basic structure of a C program is something even beginners grasp very quickly, and I've tutored quite a few."
Structure is hardly the same as syntax , and C structure is simply procedural anyway. Explaining pointers , dereferrencing, stacks, heaps, bitfields,unions, stdio buffering, pre processor tricks and all the other stuff you need to become a *good* C programmer to beginners is not easy. Any idiot can do printf("hello world\n");, but take that idiot and give him the linux kernel code to look at and then tell him C is easy.
"People will develop substitutes for their previously oil-burning activities"
Or , if you're called George Bush , desperately start drilling for oil in an alaskan wildlife refuge instead of using the money to invest in energy alternatives to reduce the US reliance on oil.
True , but not that much dirtier with the new exhaust filters they use these days. And they produce less CO2 emissions for a given distance driven compared to a petrol engine of equivalent power.
For some reason (probably just fuel costs) , diesel cars don't seem to be very popular in america even though they can match and in some cases exceed a hybrids fuel economy without the complexity. The only down side of diesels is their unfortunate habit of puffing out nasty black smoke when they get old or out of tune (or if you're a sports car driver and want a bit more than 4500 rpm rev limit).
Great , more unwanted flavour-of-the-month-in-the-academic-ivory- towers cruft in an already bloated language. How many more ways can people think up to make a CPU run instructions over data?
Actually I tend to find the opposite. With C everything has to be explicit. ie you want a function called, you have to call it at that point in the code. WIth C++ you can use opertor overloading, polymorphism, hidden convertions , template specialisation and lots of other stuff which makes the actual code more implicit than C and hides whats actually going on away more. Sure , if you spend some time looking at the code you'll figure it out , but C++ doesn't IMO lend itself to skim reading as much as C does.
Excuse me? C may be many things , but easy isn't one of them. Ask any beginner. And as for the "security problems" in C , as you well know , C was designed as a replacement for assembler. It wouldn't have been much use if it didn't give you complete flexibility wrt memory access, even if that means breaking some of the rules that hand-held high level programmers use as a crutch because they're unable to code to the metal.
"are uninterested in quality and very interested in meeting deadlines"
If you have a mortgage and a family and your boss threatens you with the sack if you keep missing deadlines very few if any programmers will take the "moral" stand and get fired. And frankly, anyone who puts coding principles above their family is scum IMO.
Well show me how you do a simple (in unix) operation to create a pipe , fork, redirect pipe to stdin/out then do an exec in the child process , then have the parent do a wait() & read/write on the child in win32? Go on , whats the problem, its trivial isn't it?
Have I ever lived in Europe, ummm , I'm british , does that count? And I know all about indians in britain but they are in france too and , funnily enough , they do pretty well for themselves. Perhaps because they're intelligent and hard workers. One of the reasons lots of western jobs are moving to india. But not north africa. Strange that.
Slashdot Mirror
"Words clearly exist. Meanings clearly exist"
Only inside the human mind. Show a newspaper to an animal and all it
will see is paper with funny shaped dark stuff printed on it. Words
only exist in the sense of how they're printed or displayed, nothing
more. Anything further only exists on the conciousness of the person
percieving it.
Given that mozilla is open source , you'd have thought they'd have supported
an open source OS. I can't see why it should be an issue porting to linux , after
all , the only difference is in the draw-to-screen API. ANyone know why its
not supported?
Whatever someone may feel about Windows or some other OS, if thats what the
company requires you to use then you have to use it. Its their computer, they're
paying you money , you do what they tell you. You wouldn't expect to get away
with repainting your desk , or putting down a new carpet around where you sit
"because I don't like grey" , so why do some people think they can get away with
messing around with the company computer. Its not your property. Yes , Ubunto
is a great distribution , but pissing off your boss this way is not a good way
to spread the Open Source message. IMO anyway.
"those apps that you HAVE to have, there is Wine and 'rdesktop'."
*cough* Yeah , WINE is so 100% compatible *cough*. Sorry , much as I despise
windows , you'll find lots of firms require various windows apps to be used
(no , not just virus checkers) that WINE simply isn't up for. In fact from my
own experiments running WINE , it has enough problems running common apps like
Office , never mind more esoteric , possibly in-house programs.
Its quite funny. If you have 2 braincells to rub together and get the joke
which the original mod obviously didn't. Mod it up!
Seems every other month some ivory tower researcher or technoevangelist with their crystal ball pops up and proclaims we're all going to have pervasive computeting/nanobots in our blood/holographic memory downloads etc etc blah fscking blah. Whether or not these technologies are physically possible (I suspect most are) , what these socially inept ubergeeks fail to
realise is that probably 95% of the population won't want it , so therefor this blade runner type world they keep waffling on about will only ever remain science fiction for the vast majority of the population.
Please tell us how someone would *remotely* exploit a *local*
root exploit then if they didn't have an account.
You see , if it could be exploited remotely via buffer overflow
etc it wouldn't be classified as a *local* exploit. Are you
following this simple logic? No? Well , the clue trains leaving
soon , I suggest you buy a ticket.
Newsflash: If you OS goes down it takes all your apps with it.
Except that it was waiting so long for us to become sentient
intelligent AND responsible that its batteries ran out and it
fell over.
"Usually by the time I get around the truck, my blood pressure is in the rafters. "
Same here. There should be some traffic law that says if you
haven't passed after X mseconds you must immediately pull back
in behind. Course it'll never happen but we can dream...
The amount of times I've seen one truck trying to overtake another
(usually going uphill! Wtf?!) on a 2 lane road so causing hundreds of
metres of car traffic building up behind I've lost count of. What
exactly is the point of overtaking another truck if you're only going
0.5 mph faster? I mean really , what is the point? If I was of a paranoid
nature I'd say the truckers did it on purpose just to piss off the car
drivers.
"is the kind of thinking that put IBM where it is today."
What , you mean the biggest computer corporation on the planet?
If you have a better way of finding out information (other than visiting
the wells) about the enviromental impact than reading enviromental impact
documents I'd love to hear it.
"Amazingly, you seem to think that reading will somehow make this clear to me. "
So you can't read? Can't say I'm surprised. Incidentaly , calling someone
a troll because you have a difference of opinion is very slashdot , and
very adolesecent.
Go read up on the reports on it while you're driving your SUV
down the street to Walmart.
If the US wasted less oil it wouldn't need to drill in a wildlife
refuge right now as there would be a plentiful supply already. And a small footprint it might be , but the pollution it caused will have a very large footprint , plus it sets a precident and now no wildlife sanctuary in the US is safe.
"There are some tricky parts but the basic structure of a C program is something even beginners grasp very quickly, and I've tutored quite a few."
,unions, stdio buffering, pre processor
Structure is hardly the same as syntax , and C structure is
simply procedural anyway. Explaining pointers , dereferrencing,
stacks, heaps, bitfields
tricks and all the other stuff you need to become a *good* C
programmer to beginners is not easy. Any idiot can do printf("hello world\n");, but take that idiot and give him the linux
kernel code to look at and then tell him C is easy.
"People will develop substitutes for their previously oil-burning activities"
Or , if you're called George Bush , desperately start drilling for
oil in an alaskan wildlife refuge instead of using the money to
invest in energy alternatives to reduce the US reliance on oil.
True , but not that much dirtier with the new exhaust filters
they use these days. And they produce less CO2 emissions for
a given distance driven compared to a petrol engine of equivalent
power.
For some reason (probably just fuel costs) , diesel cars don't
seem to be very popular in america even though they can match
and in some cases exceed a hybrids fuel economy without the
complexity. The only down side of diesels is their unfortunate
habit of puffing out nasty black smoke when they get old or
out of tune (or if you're a sports car driver and want a bit
more than 4500 rpm rev limit).
"Contract programing is in the works,"
Great , more unwanted flavour-of-the-month-in-the-academic-ivory-
towers cruft in an already bloated language. How many more ways can
people think up to make a CPU run instructions over data?
Actually I tend to find the opposite. With C everything has to be explicit. ie you want a function called, you have to call it at
that point in the code. WIth C++ you can use opertor overloading,
polymorphism, hidden convertions , template specialisation and lots of other stuff which makes the actual code more implicit than C and hides whats actually going on away more. Sure , if you spend some time looking at the code you'll figure it out , but C++ doesn't IMO lend itself to skim reading as much as C does.
"In Smalltalk, everything is an object even the primitive classes!"
And thats why it was so goddamn slow on old 16 bit machines
and no one used it.
"Easy programming languages"
Excuse me? C may be many things , but easy isn't one of them.
Ask any beginner. And as for the "security problems" in C , as
you well know , C was designed as a replacement for assembler.
It wouldn't have been much use if it didn't give you
complete flexibility wrt memory access, even if that means
breaking some of the rules that hand-held high level programmers
use as a crutch because they're unable to code to the metal.
"are uninterested in quality and very interested in meeting deadlines"
If you have a mortgage and a family and your boss threatens you
with the sack if you keep missing deadlines very few if any
programmers will take the "moral" stand and get fired. And frankly,
anyone who puts coding principles above their family is scum IMO.
Well show me how you do a simple (in unix) operation
to create a pipe , fork, redirect pipe to stdin/out then do
an exec in the child process , then have the parent do
a wait() & read/write on the child in win32? Go on , whats
the problem, its trivial isn't it?
Have I ever lived in Europe, ummm , I'm british , does that count? And I
know all about indians in britain but they are in france too and , funnily
enough , they do pretty well for themselves. Perhaps because they're
intelligent and hard workers. One of the reasons lots of western jobs are
moving to india. But not north africa. Strange that.