Yeah, but when you think about it - they're making tools for something that will earn you more money. you could argue that the books you're spending money on are over-priced, or your tuition, because you could use it for food or internet access.
One of the things that I think people forget when looking at software like this is that it's a tool at the professional level. I'm not saying that it's under- or over-priced for the industry, but I do think that people lose sight of the fact that people in the industry make money with this software.
you pay for schooling, you make money with the investment (well, in theory).
look at an air-hockey table in a bar - it's not what you'll find in your local game shop or at somebody's basement game room - different requirements, different purpose. different ballpark
if you don't have a need for it, it's a waste of money. If you're just making $400 a year because of Adobe CS, it's a waste of money. But if your living requires good tools, you pay for them. The quality is there for me. I'd say it's a fair price, and a hell of an upgrade path (you only need any previous version of Photoshop to get the/entire/ suite).
but as anything, if i'm just painting the shed, you don't see me spending $400 on my brushes.
(ugh, i actually just read that, and i need to wake up some more before i try to put a sentence together) =]
actually, it's not - I listen to audiobooks as I go to sleep, and have a Logitech cordless keyboard that I control it with... aside from most of the "media" buttons working out of the box, standard keyboard shortcuts abound... took me a while to find out that Cmd-option left/right would actually rev and cue through the songs, though.
Actually, it sucks quite a bit less. There are very big differences between LaTex, Word, etc - same differences between a shareware photo-retouching program and Photoshop.
With Quark and InDesign, the focus is not so much organization by context of content, but presentation of content. The ability to lay out a photo-laden text book that will be printed with 6 colours, with a 15-page index at the end and a table of contents is something that i wouldn't trust to a word processor, precisely the same reasoning behind using a site-management tool or a database to drive certain websites, rather than editing 400 pages individually in vi.
imagine having to create an issue of National Geographic using Staroffice. Not the right tool - not the best thing to get the job done.
if you're talking about an instruction manual - sure, LaTex is an option, just as using Lilypond is one for setting music.
quark and InDesign, however, are special tools, with more depth than most casual users need - the professional that needs it, however,/really/ needs it.
I don't usually buy a computer because it's comfortable.
Actually, I'd argue that a lot of our computer-related choices are based on "comfort". I choose my OS based on how easily I can get around on it. Others will be comfortable with different operating systems, that's cool, too.
when you think about it, monitor refresh/resolution/size, is all about comfort, keyboard placement and choice, the chair you sit in.. all of these things have a big thing to do with something you spend a good part of your life involved with.
if more speed comes at the cost of comfort or ease of use, then i'll probably take a bit of a trade-off.
I think that you've got to realize that 'comfort' is often a very important part of productivity, not just aesthetics.
On a side note, I've noticed that I can actually see the CRT screen flickering at 72Hz when I am looking at it from the side, on the edge of my peripheral vision, but not straight on. Does anyone know why that is?
IIRC, the receptors in your eyes (rods) that are relevant to your peripheral vision are more sensitive to motion and light... that's how you can look at the night sky, and not see some stars, but look away slightly, and you'll be able to track better. They tend to not be as good for colour, so when they kick in at night, things start to look monochromatic.
it's a trick i use to get around in the dark, sometimes... don't look exactly where you're going - you'll actually be able to make your way around better, in some cases.
I think you're pointing out what AG's main objection really is - the reason they want the cartoon pulled is because it's depicting SS in an unflattering manner. By their very objection, they're confirming the fact that they're the subject of a parody.
If they feel the sting, there must have been a bite. Therefore, it's a parody, and no longer an unfair breach of copyright. (IANAL, though)
I noticed when it started tasting different. The label still claims "imported", but the fine print says "Brewed and bottled by Guinness Brewing Company, Toroto, Canada. Product of Canada"
um, that's pretty much not guiness, then, that we're talking about. The bottles, unless you mean the new widget bottles are nothing like the actual beer, which is imported (the cans and kegs).
the bottles that you're referring to are Guiness Extra Stout, i think, and are just a dark beer - with carbonation, instead of the nitrogen that is in true Guiness.
wow... That's got to be the worst navigation for turning the cube that i've ever seen... the rest of the product is pretty cool (i could swear i've seen it before in another form, but i can't remember where/what it was), but the navigation buttons?
how is
[left] [right] [up] [down]
at all useful for navigating in 3d? ugh... reminds me of the old (most of the time) Apple keyboards that had all the arrow keys in a row, before the inverted T.
and i don't need a cube icon... my whole screen is a cube - just give me direction arrows... or the radial menu.
Mod parent up - I've been using this in combination with Pith, and I find i'm not missing tabs at all. This is on my Ibook, at 1024.
if you've got a mouse with extra buttons, it's great, just create an instance where for Safari, your middle mouse button (or whatever) command-shift clicks, and boom, links open and load in new windows in the background. With Pith, you can even have them load exactly behind, or hide all but the foreground window.
Oh, come on! you can't seriously think that any of those comparisons are valid in their respective markets, can you?
why not just list "paint" as an equivalent to photoshop. I'd/Love/ for you to point me to an illustrator that uses Publisher as his/her creation and design tool.
good quality tools cost money. There's a reason design professionals don't use the alternatives you list, despite being cheap or even free. Hell, even in a bad or outdated product, you even have to consider established user base - look at QuarkXpress compared to InDesign.
Yeah, i know, this one's no more so, but i just hate posts that feel the need to explain a nicely subtle joke that doesn't need any more clarification.
Sometimes, form and function trade off - I was just thinking about buying one of these today, actually, and the main reasons are size and design. It's the computer that doesn't have to look like a/computer/. I've got my workhorse, and my server cases, but sometimes, you want a nice dining table, not just a door laid flat on two cinderblocks.
allowing the user to copy the content for his own use, or to give to friends
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Photocopyer, writing, speaking into a microphone as you read. And then give the output or the original to friends.
Well, (and please correct me if i'm wrong), as I understand it, this is actually not really something that falls under "fair use." The book can be copied, etc. for the other uses you mentioned - satire, eductation, etc - but it would still be illegal for someone to, for example, photocopy a textbook and sell (or even give) it to 300 people.
Take a look at all of the underground fake books that jazz musicians trade (filthy pir8s!) - they're all copies of protected works, floating around and definately not legal, when bound together and distributed as a new book. Similarily, a compilation album is not sufficient enough to be classed as an original interpretation of artwork. Hell, a sample doesn't make it, so go figure.
Same thing for the audio solution, although it's not really something that comes up all that much (anybody here feel like doing a fan-read of LOTR and uploading the MP3s?
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One of the things that I think people forget when looking at software like this is that it's a tool at the professional level. I'm not saying that it's under- or over-priced for the industry, but I do think that people lose sight of the fact that people in the industry make money with this software.
you pay for schooling, you make money with the investment (well, in theory). look at an air-hockey table in a bar - it's not what you'll find in your local game shop or at somebody's basement game room - different requirements, different purpose. different ballpark
if you don't have a need for it, it's a waste of money. If you're just making $400 a year because of Adobe CS, it's a waste of money. But if your living requires good tools, you pay for them. The quality is there for me. I'd say it's a fair price, and a hell of an upgrade path (you only need any previous version of Photoshop to get the /entire/ suite).
but as anything, if i'm just painting the shed, you don't see me spending $400 on my brushes.
(ugh, i actually just read that, and i need to wake up some more before i try to put a sentence together) =]
actually, it's not - I listen to audiobooks as I go to sleep, and have a Logitech cordless keyboard that I control it with... aside from most of the "media" buttons working out of the box, standard keyboard shortcuts abound... took me a while to find out that Cmd-option left/right would actually rev and cue through the songs, though.
With Quark and InDesign, the focus is not so much organization by context of content, but presentation of content. The ability to lay out a photo-laden text book that will be printed with 6 colours, with a 15-page index at the end and a table of contents is something that i wouldn't trust to a word processor, precisely the same reasoning behind using a site-management tool or a database to drive certain websites, rather than editing 400 pages individually in vi.
imagine having to create an issue of National Geographic using Staroffice. Not the right tool - not the best thing to get the job done.
if you're talking about an instruction manual - sure, LaTex is an option, just as using Lilypond is one for setting music.
quark and InDesign, however, are special tools, with more depth than most casual users need - the professional that needs it, however, /really/ needs it.
We're getting, what, multiple undos for that extra overhead? whoopee.
InDesign 3 and InCopy 3 are in beta at the moment - still a few things to work out.
Actually, I'd argue that a lot of our computer-related choices are based on "comfort". I choose my OS based on how easily I can get around on it. Others will be comfortable with different operating systems, that's cool, too.
when you think about it, monitor refresh/resolution/size, is all about comfort, keyboard placement and choice, the chair you sit in.. all of these things have a big thing to do with something you spend a good part of your life involved with.
if more speed comes at the cost of comfort or ease of use, then i'll probably take a bit of a trade-off.
I think that you've got to realize that 'comfort' is often a very important part of productivity, not just aesthetics.
IIRC, the receptors in your eyes (rods) that are relevant to your peripheral vision are more sensitive to motion and light... that's how you can look at the night sky, and not see some stars, but look away slightly, and you'll be able to track better. They tend to not be as good for colour, so when they kick in at night, things start to look monochromatic.
it's a trick i use to get around in the dark, sometimes... don't look exactly where you're going - you'll actually be able to make your way around better, in some cases.
"iMacs are for fucking fags!"
Strange. I know a lot of people that use their
iMacs to get work done, and access the internet.
You're the first person I've heard of that uses
an iMac to fuck fags.
By all means, then, go do it. Not everybody uses Grocery Gateway, either.
hell, not everybody uses Linux, but i'm thinking it's nice to have alternatives.
I think you're pointing out what AG's main objection really is - the reason they want the cartoon pulled is because it's depicting SS in an unflattering manner. By their very objection, they're confirming the fact that they're the subject of a parody.
If they feel the sting, there must have been a bite. Therefore, it's a parody, and no longer an unfair breach of copyright. (IANAL, though)
um, that's pretty much not guiness, then, that we're talking about. The bottles, unless you mean the new widget bottles are nothing like the actual beer, which is imported (the cans and kegs).
the bottles that you're referring to are Guiness Extra Stout, i think, and are just a dark beer - with carbonation, instead of the nitrogen that is in true Guiness.
mod this guy through the roof!
how is
at all useful for navigating in 3d? ugh... reminds me of the old (most of the time) Apple keyboards that had all the arrow keys in a row, before the inverted T.
and i don't need a cube icon... my whole screen is a cube - just give me direction arrows... or the radial menu.
oh, the humanity.
either that, or Real Geeks[tm] use Windows XP... and i'm not about to live in a world where that's true. =)
kudos for actually using it correctly, though. =)
not everything has to be a pissing contest.
if you've got a mouse with extra buttons, it's great, just create an instance where for Safari, your middle mouse button (or whatever) command-shift clicks, and boom, links open and load in new windows in the background. With Pith, you can even have them load exactly behind, or hide all but the foreground window.
the 7-up CoolSpot game on one of the older consoles, IIRC... from what i hear, it wasn't horribly bad.
Oh, come on! you can't seriously think that any of those comparisons are valid in their respective markets, can you?
why not just list "paint" as an equivalent to photoshop. I'd /Love/ for you to point me to an illustrator that uses Publisher as his/her creation and design tool.
good quality tools cost money. There's a reason design professionals don't use the alternatives you list, despite being cheap or even free. Hell, even in a bad or outdated product, you even have to consider established user base - look at QuarkXpress compared to InDesign.
thanks for the completely useless post.
Yeah, i know, this one's no more so, but i just hate posts that feel the need to explain a nicely subtle joke that doesn't need any more clarification.
hmmm.... i doubt they get paid with kicks in the head, although IMO, that's pretty much what they're worth. =)
Well, (and please correct me if i'm wrong), as I understand it, this is actually not really something that falls under "fair use." The book can be copied, etc. for the other uses you mentioned - satire, eductation, etc - but it would still be illegal for someone to, for example, photocopy a textbook and sell (or even give) it to 300 people.
Take a look at all of the underground fake books that jazz musicians trade (filthy pir8s!) - they're all copies of protected works, floating around and definately not legal, when bound together and distributed as a new book. Similarily, a compilation album is not sufficient enough to be classed as an original interpretation of artwork. Hell, a sample doesn't make it, so go figure.
Same thing for the audio solution, although it's not really something that comes up all that much (anybody here feel like doing a fan-read of LOTR and uploading the MP3s?
I was almost getting worried we wouldn't have the ... "profit!" post, and that i'd have to take one for the team. =)