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Anne_Nonymous writes "Here's an interesting story on the use of video games as advertising. They claim 'advergames could be a $1 billion industry by 2005'."
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hell it might bring the prices of games down to a more reasonable $20-$30 per game. I like it. I know we're already innundated with advertising everywhere, but this could save you money.
But don't the gunmakers already get free advertising from video games?
There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
most of us won't be able to afford it.
-- Lemmy
My favorite game has already big advertisements all over it. I won't tell you what game it is, just that it's *very* addictive and I have quite a good score (Karma: excellent).
The article failed to mention the pretty decent video game put out by (I believe) the US Army call "America's Army".
if the games are all horrible, then it actualy hurts the company. Wait until Coke/Pepsi have cd's attached to the can with a horrible game on them. Guess what? It's not free, they raise the price to pay for stupid things like this. Every game like this = higher price on stuff. OTOH, America's Army is something I'd want my tax money spent on every time. ;)
Who'd ever of thunk the US Army would be leading the charge into this realm.
America's Amry is a great recruiting and training tool.
-- jimmycarter
As the Coke Human tribe slaughters the evil Pepsi Ogres.
We prefer the term ADVERTAINMENT.
Make a GOOD product or provide a GOOD service. Advertise this QUALITY product/service without pissing off consumers or annoying them. People will buy it.
Is there something I'm missing, or is it a "good idea" to sell CRAP and cram it down consumers' throats?
Seriously, these "market analysts" are such one-trick ponies. I bet if I paid them enough they would say my penis will be a $1 billion industry by 2005.
Didn't the Sims Online do this by including a McDonald's kiosk? By eating at the McDonalds, your happiness goes up, or something like that.
As I recall, having the advertising in the game certainly didn't make it any cheaper. Having the movies full of advertisements doesn't make them any cheaper for me to see either.
So while this might not really be a bad thing, I don't see how it could be that good of a thing either.
So you pay $50-$60 bucks for a game, and then you're inundated with advertisements on top of that? Isn't the money that you're spending on the game revenue enough?
I think you can find Carmack's cut off head lying hidden under a stair in one of the maps of Quake3Arena. Does that count as subtle marketing?
Geez, come on!!! Let's get some real news around here. I'm bored to tears. By Allah, even Mortal Kombat is a billion-dollar industry.
My navel is more interesting than this story.
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Wah!
Interestingly enough, it's not just companies that this kind of thing applies to. With the release of America's Army, interested gamers take a "test drive" at what its like being in the Army. Maybe they'll even like it so much that they enlist!
Hmmm...
Anyone remember a REALLY lame Doom (I'm pretty sure thats what it was, but it was a while ago) conversion that was included in boxes of Chex some years back?
If memory serves, it involved shooting Chex at space aliens (?)
Anyhow, I can't imagine even a substantial majority of such games being beyond that level of inanity.
I once downloaded an advergame for a Willy Wonka candy of some sort. It was a LodeRunner-like game where you had to run around and grab pieces of candy.
The one drawback to it was that every time you grabbed a piece of candy, a half-screen ad would pop up and the game would halt for a few seconds. I wasn't expecting much (you have to be bored to download such a thing in the first place), but I ditched it after five minutes because the halting was so darn annoying.
If they want to make an industry of this, they'll have to get it through their heads that people won't put up with that. Especially not kids, with their shorter attention spans.
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I do hate all the damn advertising before a movie these days. If I pay $7 to see a movie, I shouldn't have to watch commercials. Why is it ticket prices went up even though they added commercials? In reality, the prices of games will probably not go down.
Read the article.
I think it is good, very straightforward for the cars & trucks.
It demonstrates the product for you, and builds excitement over it. It's an interactive way to learn about the product, and it is something you WANT to do. I don't want to watch TV ads or read billboards. But I do want to drive sports cars.
Now, instead of games with advertisements, we are going to get advertisements with games.
And how does anyone suspect it can be a $1 billion/year industry? I don't see how playing McQuake IV and blasting away the Hamburgler or helpless French fries could be considered fun.
But hey... How about iQuake: You're Steve Jobs as you battle for aesthetics against Bill Gates, Michael Dell, and their evil minions.
Of course, the real aesthetic enemy in the axis of ugly is Linux, but I digress (for fear of being modded flamebait).
the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon he was test-driving up the slope. He flipped a switch to lock in four-wheel drive, and the sport-utility vehicle clambered to the top.
I wonder if they included the Wrangler's poor handling in the video game. If they didn't, perhaps someone would get the idea that they could take a sharp turn at 50mph and not go flying off the road. Of course the game probably has a disclaimer that renders it useless in actually evaluating the vehicle's performance.
A great game in store for us now: A fully realized virtual environment in which you sit at a table and eat a bowl of Macaroni 'n' Cheese. You can even wash out the bowl and put it in the dishwasher when you're done!
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If it's unobtrusive and maybe drops the price of the game some, I don't see a real problem with this. Sports games have been doing this for awhile already - Tony Hawk has ads all over the place, racing games might as well be car commercials (sure, it's cool to see someone driving a Porsche on TV, but when I can do it in surround sound, that's something else), and there're even authentic equipment labels on some other games. It's nothing new.
1) People are sick of advertising
2) 95% of retail games lose money
3) Even the top sellers don't sell in sufficient quantities to compete with other forms of advertising, like television.
I'm sure, however, in conference rooms across the game industry, egotistic, nasal-voiced "gurus" are convincing game companies to spend millions to force people to watch ads in order to continue playing the sequel they are paying a monthly fee + $200 for the console + $80 for the box to play.
sigh... hooray for the game industry...
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Although the idea of simulated cars doesn't quite seem right to me (do they similate when your Ford truck goes haywire because the steering box gets loose), it sounds like not such a bad idea... and not really a new one either.
A lot of games use realistic/lifelike locations, etc. Movies incorporate subliminal advertising, so why not do this to game. Example, Duke Nukum Never finally comes out, due to being funded by advertisers. Throughout the game, virtual billboards have advertisments for Coke or Pepsi (there's already game billboard anyways). This could apply to any shooter game, or a racing game etc.
Next, we step on to the simulations/etc. The Sims already has a MacDonalds... so it's been done.
I can't really see a use for this in Strategy games though, unless perhaps Starcraft 2 has a few shelled out Macdonalds buildings (hey, they're going to be everywhere in the universe in the future, you know it).
It could be a good thing, if slapping a few pepsi-like billboards in doom3 makes it come out under $50, I'd have no problem. Such subliminal messaging often works best, so they're not a need for huge and obvious advertising (you'll just get a craving for a nice cold drink whilst next fragging Cacodemons).
...for every time I head about the next "billion-dollar industry", I'd have a shit-ton of nickels.
This sounds vaugely familliar to something 20 years ago. Granted, we have shifted to advertisements IN games, instead of advertisements AS games.
- Remember the Kool-Aid man video game for Atari?
- Anyone else have that CGA Avoid the Noid game from Domino's Pizza for the IBM PC?
I'm sure there are other gems out there as well.... *all* the restaurants are Taco Bell.
Anyone with small children and a computer is probably familiar with the either free or nominally-priced games featuring Hot Wheels, Barbie, Buzz Lightyear, Tonka Trucks, and other well-recognized properties. These are games that are fairly fun for the kids to play, where the product is a major component of the game, and there are sometimes links to the websites of the products.
The games I have seen in the genre tend to be lightweight, but get the kids excited enough about it to want to go home, install it, and play it.
I believe that the market size of 1 billion would be primarily bourne by the companies who want to place their products as part of their promotions budgets, and not on the end-consumer.
Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
"America's Army" anyone? Seriously, though, this could have a good side. Consider the blocky, bulked-up stick-figures that populate many of today's popular 3rd person games. Now imagine what will happen when Ralph Lauren gets into it and has someone write a game that looks picture-perfect (you know, to show off those virtual mode^H^H^H^H clothes), and then releases that to the world, or at least to the guys in charge of Tombraider XXI. Or consider the update to physics engines in car racing games once Ford's SVT and Mercedes' AMG groups start "Advergaming." Just like the guy with the Jeep, they'll want the most realistic physics possible so that johnny-come-latelies will be excited but the old-timers who've been driving their cars for years won't cry foul. I just hope Heckler and Koch decide to make ab Advergame. It just might cure me of my Counter-Strike addiction.
Back when I worked for FASA (1991, I think?) they modified the software for the BattleTech pods to make a Jeep Race simulator. We took them around to all the auto shows to let people "test drive" Jeeps.
Okay, people mostly let their kids play while they went to look at the real cars, but the idea of a "virtual test drive" was still there.
is a pretty good example of gamevertising that has been around for a while.
This seems to be the key difference to me. If an advertisement uses a interactive means to get me interesting (keep me oocupied?) to learn about their product, then I dont expect to pay anything for it. Why? Because I'll be damned if I have to start paying twice to buy something (once to learn about it, and once to buy it).
Product placement in videogames has been around for a while, the most recent example I'm framiliar with is Tony Hawk 4. Ads dont dominate and they are just billboards. I dont get extra points for completing a 900 while drinking my mountain dew.
Then there is the middle ground. This is where game companies whore out themselves to advertisers, a la Sims Online, where eating at McDonalds increases your happiness (which is an absolutely horrible message to send to youth). I hope the gaming community doesnt support these titles.
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A potential in-game AD, from the 'Happy Fun Ball' department:
"Notice how that can of green beans is impervious to your death-ray! Canned to last, and tastes fresh as the day they were picked, snapped, rolled, cleaned, irradiated, bleached, and de-acidified at our nature-friendly packing plant..."
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This topic reminds me of Nelly's newish song, "Air Force Ones." (Or something like that.) This song is so ingenious. He is singing about shoes, a commodity in which the majority of his target audience probably has some interest. He probably gets a kickback from some shoe manufacturer. I even saw him in a commercial for Foot Locker or Foot Action, singing his song and doing sporty things. I guess this has been a trend in rap music for a while, going back to RunDMC and Adidas, but I was just so amazed that Nelly is making money off of a song about shoes, using that song to sell shoes, and even does formal commercials with that song for shoe stores. Is it art? Is it advertisement? Does anybody care anymore?
This post is a little off the topic of "Advergames," but it does speak on the blurring lines of advertising and art.
I think Chex Quest came free with a box of Chex cereal and it was advertised as a non-violent video game because you didn't kill the aliens, only zapped them back to their own dimention.
Zapping seemed to leave a lot of slime puddles however.
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has anyone else been having problems getting to slashdot the past few days? I've been totally unable to access the site for the past few afternoons, with traces stopping dead at a router inside OSDN land.
Is anyone clued as to the nature of the problem, or is it just me? Well, I know it's not just me, I know someone else having problems getting here...
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It's funny how in many games the publisher often has to pay for the rights to use a particular brand. For example, automobiles in a racing game. It would be interesting to see the pendulum swing the other way, and have publishers/developers reimbursed for the publicity.
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Heck it is already being done on TV and Films; even in books, although I don't know if the author really gets a kick back in that case. I' really surprised it has taken this long.
At least it may be less annoying than pop-up adds!
I don't see things in black and white; I see the gray. Heck, I actually see in color, which makes things more difficult
7-UP had their "Cool Spot" game for Genesis(?) back then. It essentially was one big advertisement for 7-UP. There a small sub-industry that caters to building niche games for companies who want their products placed in them, from the online based Flash games to full CD based installed versions.
Of course you also have my favorite gaming genre, racing simulations From open wheel (F1, CART, IRL) to fendered cars (NASCAR, Trans-Am, etc). the entire foundation of the real sport depends on advertising, from the car textures to the track graphics. The players of these games go to great lengths to make sure the correct advertising in in the game. There is almost no other genre where having advertising as part of the experience is important.
The Getaway (PS2) is already doing this kind of thing. They got licenses to use brand names for cars (BMW, etc). and there's a billboard type thing in the game that has Samsung, McDonalds, Sanyo, TDX, and Coca Cola plastered all over it.
Screenshot can be viewed here
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -- Homer Simpson
The day I start getting barraged with advertisements *in the actual game itself* is the day I stop playing games. (I am referring to product placement, pure and simple.) And that says a goddamn lot considering I haev rather, er, high stacks of cds, 3 1/2" and *5 1/4"* disks containing them. Now I don't really mind it when the publisher/developer pimps his own stuff, as long as it's inobtrusive/entertaining, but..
I am sorry. I am barraged by advertisements every. single. goddamn. day. I am tired of it. Maybe if it weren't for the fact that marketers are generally completely clueless and do not actually understand the target audience (Okay folks, raise your hands if you think there's going to be all kinds of lame idiocy for advertisements here. Are you a rad hip gamer who needs 1337 crap?), maybe if it weren't for the fact that they only see me as a consumer drone who exists only to spend money...
No. No freaking more.
David Crane, Garry Kitchen,Alan Miller and Bill Wentworth run this company that makes these types of games. I was always a fan of David and Garry, they put out great stuff for the 2600 and C-64. Why not mobile phones and free java games? This is not a new thing in gaming, remember Chase the Chuckwagon for the Atari 2600? You got it for redeeming coupons or something. Now you can play them for free, you just give up some demographic info. I wouldn't do it, but if you are just a kid, why not? Skyworks Tech
I've always found fake advertisements much more amusing than real ones, though maybe that's just me? Perhaps people really would rather have had the walls in early parts of Half-Life decorated with McDonalds and Disney adds rather than the interesting BMRF propaganda.
"Heh heh, what...a...mess.... good thing *I* have Mop n' Glow."
"Go ahead, make my day...with a refreshing Vanilla Coke!"
"Pizza Hut...Who doesn't want some?"
"D***... I forgot to use 10-10-220."
"Nobody steals our Eggos...and lives."
"D***, I'm lookin good... with LA Looks Hair Care Products!"
The Welcome Kit that came with my 2001New Beetle came with a copy of Midtown Madness.
(Was like an expanded version of the demo with the Beetle drivable...)
"There are people who do not love their fellow human being, and I _hate_ people like that!" - Tom Lehrer
I'm sitting here drinking a Starbucks double mocha latte, made with 100% real Darigold whipping cream, thinking how great it would be if there were no commercials. I could enjoy quality entertainment on Fox Network, MTV or the WB on my Sony 54" plasma screen without committing theft of programming with Tivo, or even reaching for the MUTE button. On the other hand, people who work at places like Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) consume large amounts of complimentary Coca-Cola Classic, A&W Root Beer and Earl Grey tea. They might need the commercial time to commit theft of programming and go to the bathroom. It's a dilemma worthy of a MacGiver or a Matlock.
I sure hope RealDoll comes up with something like this!
Trolling is a art,
Actually, one of my favorite games as a teenager was the 7UP dot game. It was basically Othello, but had cool dancing "Spot" who would break dance and shuffle his way around the board. Not very difficult, but an entertaining twist on an old strategy game.
When a new game comes out based on a major motion picture at the same time the movie is released--is this advertising for the film, or the game-maker capitalizing on the film's success?
"Slap a turkey neck and it's hanging from a pigeon wing...get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve...shave your face with some mace in the dark" -- Beck's "Loser", the 90s version of "Blinded By The Light".
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Don't forget Kool Aid Man and Chase the Chuck Wagon
"There are people who do not love their fellow human being, and I _hate_ people like that!" - Tom Lehrer
The genesis/snes cart? That was an advertisement if I've ever seen one.
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The bitter wind plastered the snow to the asphalt, turning blacktop into white death for joyriders. I had a hole in my arm, a half-empty ammo clip, and three thugs waiting within open arms and loaded weapons around the corner. It's at times like these I wondered when this crazy ride started. Good thing I had Advil. *Max holding a box with a wry grin* "Advil: The Pills That Ease the Payne!" (Recommended by 9 out of 10 ex-cops seeking vigilante justice!)
Look better, it's written from the america's-army dept. just under the title ...
At the beginning of the article we had somebody who liked how the Rubicon handled in a game. He then proceeds to buy one based just on that?!? He even said he only test drove it after he signed the paperwork!
I mean, you could make a game where a Yugo goes Mach 5, but that doesn't mean it will!
(The only reason I think I may just be dense is because it doesn't look like anybody else has pointed this out yet.)
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I recently started playing the Nitto 1320 challenge, which you can download at http://www.nittoracing.com/
It is a very addicting game; sort of like a Gran Tourismo 3 for drag racing, with far inferior graphics, but it's in flash....give em a break. This game is free, and does the job of advertising quite well without cluttering the game with ads. Perhaps advergames will take this same track towards their development. Remember in Duke Nukem how they had the posters up on the walls in some rooms, what if you could dynamically replace those with advertisements. This wouldn't take away from gameplay in my opinion, because it's not something you have to pay attention to if don't want to. Companies could pay per day/week/whatever to advertise within games, without interfering with the game itself. Another place they could put ads would be at the end of first person shooter rounds. This could provide money for top notch servers, and they could simply put a little "This server is sponsored by..." somewhere noticable, but not intruding, within the screen. I don't think I would mind these methods, but if companies start putting ads up and making you watch them before you can play again, then you can count on the cracks to start rolling out.
i still have this overwhelming desire to take my car out on Laguna Seca :)
someday...oh yes...someday...
Aside from having bought my MR2 due to the game, and a larger intrest in auto racing (err..real, racing)...and intrest in the physics, practice, and hobby, and....
Who cares about your shitty karma?
this is an game from india Yoddha (warrior). It sucks.
A quake rip off, it is also littered with the pepsi logo all over..
Good.
Now I can shoot that damn battery bunny.
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Dear God NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Leave the games alone. We do not need advertisments in games.
Imagine a whole psycology around ADventure games.
They give you the game for free - they get you to play the game they make so that you are constantly pumped with advertising for the companies - they make the products essential parts of the plot of the game - aside from just the billboards on the virtual walls of city buildings.
"Joe, you need to go to the Pepsi building, here - take the keys to my new Chrysler Gozumma 2000. It has advanced handling and speed that will get you there much faster."
This should be fucking OUTLAWED.
I'm really surprised America's Army wasn't listed, that's a huge advergame.
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After playing the origninal Gran Turismo, I became fixated on the Mitsubishi Eclipse as a relatively affordable performance car that matched my driving and personal style. Enough so that a year out of college (when I had the $$) I dropped it on one of them (0%/$0 down/$0 for a year helped as well). And anyone who knows me knows I drive it just like the video game - I can't imagine driving anything else in it's price range.
Right now, I'd say it's the best way (for manufacturers or consumers) to compare head-to-head dozens (hundreds) of cars in different conditions (and not get kicked out by the dealer) - given that the game does not falsely favor one car over others. Hey, if they make it real enough, it might replace illegal street racing (big problem here in San Diego) to an extent. I know among my friends we've settled whose car is better with a few sessions of GT. Needless to say, I am not happy to see that the Eclipse was left out of GT3.
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I'm not anti-social. Just pro-technology.
I don't have a problem with a company producing its own advertising, but if I pay money for a game and discover attempts to hawk products to me embedded in the game, I consider that shifting the costs of advertising onto my shoulders (much like spam) and I won't buy the placed products.
Look at companies like NStorm, who offer freely downloadable Macromedia games that are 100% advertainment (i.e. Elf Bowling 2 for CDNOW, Elf Bowling 3 for TechTV).
... all forgettable titles that were relatively uninspiring and far from groundbreaking.
Instead of having the end user pay for the game, the advertiser ponies up and their name is attached to what can be a fiendishly addictive little pastime. The end user gets something for essentially nothing, and may or may not notice the corporate name attached to the game.
I would expect that the population will have to be slowly weaned into seeing advertising in 'commercial' games, much like how TV producers and filmmakers have been slowly weaning product placements into their products. Too much at once would promote a backlash.
Striking a balance between the advertising content and the 'game' content will prove tricky as well. It seems to me that video games that have been 100% advertiser-based have been niche titles at best, and certainly not at the top of anyone's best game list. Games like 7UP Cool Spot, the old Chuck Wagon game for the 2600 VCS, McKids
So who's got the patent?
Nobody?
Quick, go patent it. In fact, go patent all the things that piss you off. Then sue whoever does those things.
"Method of raising blood pressure in automobile operators" ...
(too many to list)
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
STEP 1: Write an advergame.
STEP 2: ???
STEP 3: Profit!!!
Any thing that quotes this crappy site should be modded like those who link to goatse.
That is all I have to say. Advertisements make crappy games.
Yeah, I read that too. That's why I was mentioning the simulated cars. Even if they simualated performance and handling... they're not going to cover the fact that when vehicle XX climbs up a cliff, the low exhaust gets torn off by a rock. Or after 30 days of playing, the radio goes on the fritz, etc.
Anyone buying a car based mainly on the simulation seems a bit cukoo to me.
P.S. Where did a Yugo get it's name?
"Yugo buy one, 'cause I'm sure as heck not going to"
Well, well.
/. article at the moment).
The linked article itself might not be a dupe, but the topic certainly is (sorry, can't find the first
Back then I claimed that I am *so* sick of adverts, that I would never buy a game like that. (I already refuse to watch TV or listen to the radio).
And now I'm saying it again. Go away, advertisers, you piss me off.
Games have gotten more and more expensive. By now it is so bad, that I've returned to writing my own - not because they're soooo good, but because it's more fun to write them than to play others.
Cheaper, too. Why should I pay $50 for something which quickly becomes boring? Especially if the handbooks are now so lousy that you're forced to spend another $20 on a guide book (hey, thanks EA, for the SimCity4 'manual').
Feel free, game companies, to push out more-of-the-same, buggy, boring brainless trash. Add some ads, too.
Don't forget to complain about piracy when your sales drop.
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Okay, every comment I've read so far is talking about product placement in videogames. A fun topic, sure, and I like talking about it, but I would those who haven't done so to just skim the short article. It talks about entire games whose primary aim is to sell a product. So, instead of having McD's in The Sims, we're talking about car companies putting out games (often for free) that let you drive around in their new cars. A nifty little article, and I'm wondering if people think this will take off...
I played this for hundreds of hours on the SNES.
This is one of only two posts so far that mention the distinction between "advergames" and product placement.
This is an old concept. Back in the heyday of shareware gaming, there was Avoid the Noid, which was an "advergame" put out by Domino's pizza. Basically you had to scramble through a building with a pizza while the noid tried to foil you by blowing you up in various ways. Man it was cool. I need a pizza.
Anyway the point: It didn't take off then, so why would it take off now that PC gaming is in some ways past it's prime?
An automotive site had a fiendishly addictive little Flash puzzle game on their site tied in with a sweepstakes a couple of years back. Unfortunately, when the sweepstakes ended, the game disappeared. I e-mailed the company to inquire whether it could be found anywhere, and was basically told to buzz off. I got the impression that they thought I was joking and/or crazy to care about the silly little game.
... I still occasionally Google the name of the game, just to see if it exists elsewhere.
And I decided that I would never patronize the site again. I realize that serving games isn't their business, but the attitude I received when I inquired about it put me off entirely.
Although
Neopets is an extremely successful website which creates games with a sponsor's product and includes products as items within the game. Most of the games are not product or sponsor related, but you get a little advertisement in the sidebar every time you refresh the page. It advertises both the sponsor games and the non-sponsor games.
they even made a pepsi man game for the Playstation
http://www.pepsinut.com/PepsiMan.htm
Tuxracer is chock-full of advertising
I've always enjoyed the quick-play of tuxracer. Many Linux distributions come with tuxracer and it is a cool advertising engine for the various companies that have contributed to the Opensource revolution.
Currently in the limitations of tuxracer, you are Tux (a penguin) and race using gokarts with various abilities (missiles, magnet-grab, rocket-booster) against "Geeko" (the SuSE linux mascot lizard), a computer with an "angry face" (Apple maybe?), and a penguin with a bow on its head. Anyways, as you race on "Tux Tollway", there is just a huge assortment of advertisments for VA Linux, Sourceforge, Slashdot, openGL, Mesa3D, GIMP, and others.
The game is fun, but is still limited and serves a good way to benchmark your hardware. Nice controlls...it'll make a verry fun multiplayer game once it gets into orbit.
But I'm sure you already Gnu that.
This isn't out of the ordinary. The Oddworld game on XBox features Sobe beverages, which didn't really detract from the game at all. As long as game designers don't put the ads in your face, I don't see a problem.
I remember games on my Amiga featuring ad's and still being full retail price, the adverts were fairly unobtrusive.
Jaguar XJ220 - Jaguar and CVG (magazine) boards.
Pushover - Walkers Crisps
Lotus - Lotus boards by trackside
There were also many more.
And the games were good too, I'd hate to pay for new shit games with advertising that get good reviews thanks solely to the advertising hype.
I just read the comments not the FA
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And the food is...uhm...scrumptious; like the stuff that came with a barbie easy-bake oven.
I don't mind if they put ads IN the game. If I'm driving on the highway in a new racing game I'd rather see McDonalds bulleting boards that "burger co." It makes the game feel more like I'm on earth and not in a weird video game world.
It's a different story if the ads effect gameplay negatively. Like if I have to stop, watch an ad, then return to play.
As for games that ARE advertisements themselves. Like that Ford racing game. If the games are good, then it will be a good ad, and I wont mind. As long as it doesn't have ads that effect gameplay. If coke makes a coke game that sucks, they're just paying for negative advertising against themselves.
It's the same as movies. If you buy product placement in a shitty movie it sucks for you. Imagine a really crappy movie about a guy who works in a Coke factory. Not going to go well for the soda man.
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A perfect example of this is CandyStand.com. They have lots of simple games for amusement that entertain you for a little but leave a mark. They're really popular with the kids, everywhere I see little kids playing the games on there.
Like this one
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I gotcher "spork" right here...
Yeah. So it's a minor step from the Driving simulators we used to get for free.
Perhaps showing what people can expect (or would like to believe really happens) when they drive along in such and such car or truck.
You drive along and all heads turn to watch you drive along. Ego=+5
You drive along and no warning lights ever come on advising you to shift up for better gas mileage. Comfort=+5
You put to a stop and a beautiful model sauntures up and gives you a "do me" look. Lust=+5
What you never actually do in the game:
Pull into a gas station and watch the dollars drain from pocket.
Fail to get it started in a dark parking lot in a bad part of town at 11 PM
Have take it in for routine maintenance and remember your first car cost less than the hourly charge and any part costs more than your enter first full-time paycheck.
You find a nut or bolt lying on the carpet and you can't figure out where it came from and if it's important.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
from the article:
For Pert, the demands of caring for two preschoolers often means he only has time to go four-wheeling via computer while his $25,000 Rubicon sits in the driveway.
``Sometimes when the girls are asleep I sneak off to play,'' he said.
This, from an owner in Kansas. Kansas which is flat as a pancake. If he's not going offroading, why shell out $25k for a Jeep , when any number of regular cars would better suit a family with 2 little kids.
And they say advertising does not work.
Does it have a cell phone that you can talk on while you are driving on the freeway.
Hey that might be kind of fun having a networked game with a cell phone in the car that you can talk on it will make you feel just like you are driving down the road in an SUV.
My prediction? If this happens, maybe we'll see another great videogame crash! Can anybody say "Chase the Chuckwagon"? Advertising based games that had no gameplay were one of the factors that lead to the big '84 video game crash.
4x4 Evolution, Grand Turismo, all those racing games that let you drive an actual car. It's been going on for a while. GT3 was the only advertising platform for the Subaru Impreza, and after 2 years it began to sell in the U.S. and Europe. GO get 'em
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You might be a loser if... the article linked above seems anything but sill.
It was basically not othello. Although the goal was the same, to cover the board with your color pieces, it was an entirely different game, with entirely different rules.
Othello, you converted pieces by "surrounding" your enemies set of guys, on 2 sides.
In Spot, you converted pieces by spawning a piece of your own next to an already existing piece of your own, converting any adjacent enemies pieces to your color. OR, you could "jump"...but we'll not get into that.
Shorter article on the same subject.
The morons pushing this are consultants, people with no experience of selling advertising (just like all those Internet sites back in 95-00), and people whose games don't sell enough copies to be profitable (enough), and perhaps a few game company greedy for more revenue.
...And before you know it, the same game companies will start complaining about "piracy" cut into sales of their crap.
I don't mind advertising round the edge of pitch in soccer games because it's: 1. realistic, 2. unobtrusive, 3. doesn't affect game play
Obviously 2+3 run against the game for effective advertising (I can ignore it too easily), so this will eventually be changed.
Also nobody would want to advertise on Vice City (and I prefer the joke ads anyway) at least in the current form (so the game needs to be redesigned - you can't rob PizzaHut/Dominos any more, or shoot people when delivering pizzas)
Once they start f--king up games in this way, sales will fall.
The losers whose games are not profitable will be even less profitable. People who will buy less games and find something else to occupy the time.
We'll start seeing racing games in which the Ford Focus can outrace a Ferrari, fighting games in which the characters that smoke are highly overpowered, and DDR-clones in which you always get better scores when you dance to RIAA-sanctioned music as opposed to that "indy" crap.
Yay.
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Take a look at neopets. They're a kids gamesite which offers games, many of which are little more than thinly disguised advertisements. For example, this Disney 101 Dalmations game (you won't be able to play it directly unless you create a login).
A multi-billion dollar market? Not likely. However, it does look multi-million dollar market is in the bag.
Those crazy singlespeeders over On-One had one of these games made by a friend or something like that. It supposedly brought them a lot of business, or at least a lot of website hits.
For those that don't know, Snowcraft was a really cute little Shockwave game that came out around 1997, I believe. The object was, simply, to win a snowball fight against the opposing team. The game was distributed as a standalone app, and was emailed EVERYWHERE. When you lost the game, a message came up that said, "Merry Christmas from..." (sorry, forgot the name of the web design company that produced it), along with an email link.
That design firm got swallowed up by a bigger web design firm less than a year later. I've tried to guess at what they spent to produce the game ($15k, maybe?), and this was right at the time that Shockwave and Flash were becoming hot properties, but the talent was in short supply. No doubt they recovered their investment many times over, especially when they principals sold out the business.
Online advertainment has been around for a long time, it's funny that it's just now getting recognition.
Personally I would be all for it. As long as it meant the games I want to play are Free ($0), or next to nothing. As long as we are not talking about pop up or advertising that gets in the way of the game play, why not. But if we are talking about having to watch an ad or something in the middle of critical game play, then forget it. Plus we would have to watchout for people putting ads in between screens, i.e. loading the next section of a game. They may be delaying the game loading longer than it would normally take.
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anyone remember the 7-up red spot game? it was a side scroller for sega as i recall
In 1983 worthless games like the koolaid man and other similar things destroyed the whole industry. People stopped buying game consoles and games because they were perceived as crap and started buying crappy computers instead because they were educational. People thought gaming was dead. It took nintendo about 2 years later to bring back the industry.
the 7-up CoolSpot game on one of the older consoles, IIRC... from what i hear, it wasn't horribly bad.
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Your seasoned/mature gamer prob won't play the game much, unless its extremely high quality.
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you know, my favorite part of Half-Life is running around in the tutorial and blowing up the vending machines.
If I could run around in a video game and blow an Arby's to smithereens, I'd be all for "product placement."
"Place" them right in my sights and let me at it. Muah!..
Is that a Canadian measurment? More or less than than a metric ton?
How many "Library of Congress" units is in a shit ton?
I'd rather you do it wrong, than for me to have to do it at all.
If this was say...a scene after blasting baddies then Duke Nukem' opens up a nice ice cold coke to refresh his health bar..then hey thats fine as long as Duke Nukem' Forever comes out.
Maybe this is a local phenomemon, but it costs $8 to see first-run movies here (Winnipeg, Canada). This is in large, staduim seating, THDoblySurroundWhatchamajigger theatres. In 1991 I paid about $7 to see T2 in what amounts to a small box - what we used to think of as mall multiplexes. Shitty sound, shitty screen size, 3 inches of leg room.
12 years of inflation, a theatre so much better that it makes the old ones look like watching my 14" tv in the subway, and it's a whopping $1 more.
Maybe it's just me, but movies in the theatre are one hell of a good deal these days (assuming you actually like anything that's playing). I've heard tickets go for as much as $15 usd (could be higher for all I know), but that still seems a lot cheaper than any major (or even minor) leaque sporting event, concerts, plays, clubs, dinner excluding McDonalds, you name it.
Again, some people seem to hate every movie released, so YMMV.
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" even if the graphics weren't much beyond your typical Sonic game."
This comment is inaccurate. The Sonic series on the Genesis were the best looking games available for it. Team Sonic was able to do amazing things with that console, while other people's projects (MK2 anyone?) had bland, washed out colours and a much smaller seeming pallete.
Sonic games are the standard for excellence, not the lackluster "normal" level you imply.
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A complete game based on (non-core) McDonalds characters, years ago. I think Dave Perry (Earthworm Jim/Aladdin/etc. etc.) wrote that.
I joined the US Army after playing America's Army. If they hadn't added that "picking up $4 hookers in the Phillipines" mod I probably wouldn't have done it, though.
Written by Dave Perry and published by Virgin in 1993 I think. He wrote Global Gladiators (McDonalds) as well...
I play mostly FPS's and that's what my comment is referring to. If the game involves walking around cities and such, i.e. GTA, etc., then why not make it look like an actual city with real businesses, franchises, chains, billboards, etc., depending on the setting? This would make the most unobtrusive use of advertising. I hate advertising with a passion but using it in this manner instead of making me eat at McDonalds as part of the game wouldn't bother me a bit.
In the new postal game you can actually piss on things so advertise like crazy and I'd have fun pissing all over it. Now that I think about it put actual McDonald's characters in the game like Grimace, Mayor McCheese, the Hamburgler, Burker King, Wendy from Wendy's, The Taco Bell dog, and let me torch them all with flame throwers, chainsaw them into pieces and mix up the parts for a tasty and delightful new "samich"!!
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Anyone play Kingdom Hearts?
Pretty good game...
But it feels like one big ad for the Disney DVD collection. I wonder how many get sold due to the popularity of this game...
Crazy Taxi is full of advertisements but it actually helps game play. A Pizza Hut building is easier to spot than Joe's Pizza Place would be. As long as advertising doesn't hurt the game I really don't care if they include it. The same rules as with movies, tv, and magazines really.
Example of advertising that was to much: Inspector Gadget the movie. The movie was already pretty bad and the advertising just broke the camels back.
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7UP did these "advertainment" games YEARS ago with the incredible Cool Spot game!
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This is something that is already happening (ie games based on a company, rather than just having say, a Sony TV rather than a generic TV in a FPS)
America's Army anyone?
A 32-bit DOS-based platform game called Scramble for Humpty's Restaurants in Canada.
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I don't recall getting a reasonable percentage of $1B though.
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For this particular form of advergame (driving the vehicle in your computer), I wonder what kinds of liberties they take with the physics? Allowing the Jeep in the game to drive straight up a cliff would be a dead giveaway, but what if they tweak the traction up by 20%? So you buy the Jeep thinking that it has great traction. But of course in the real world, you'll probably never drive the Jeep that hard, so you never see the deception... Even if a hardcore driver ever noticed the discrepancy in the real world, the advergame maker could probably chalk it up to an unintentional aspect of the physics in the simulation.
this is modded up to 5, funny? uuhhh..ok. whatever.
I often hear this easter egg attributed to John C's person, but it is infact the likeness of Eric Webb - id software development assistant, as drawn by Kenneth Scott - id software artist. Trust me on this.
Please type the UPC code from a bottle of Michelob Ultra to proceed to the next level....
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Also, since it is advertising does it have free speech rights that art has? Can I copy the game to make a parody of it?
Instead of Quake featuring big nasty monsters, it would be Pepsi monsters, ie Britney Spears.
But with all the ads inserted into a game, doesn't it date the game. No jokes about gamers and their dating lives please.
Example, references to Tab. How many people get the humor out of it? Only the few who know that Tab was a softdrink and not a button on the keyboard.
By driving the game with ads, it becomes a one hit wonder. If its really well designed, then it might become a cult classic.
The "Chase the Chuckwagon" and "Kool-Aid Man" games for the Atari 2600 are worth a lot to collectors... and they're at least 20 years old now.
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Development costs for the games are as little as 99 cents for each time a product appears on the screen, less than the $15 per time a consumer sees a product in a television ad, said Joel Schlader, the executive in charge of Auburn Hills, Michigan-based Chrysler's computer-game effort.
$15 per time, per consumer? That seems like a lot. Anyone know how this kind of number is figured?
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As someone who dabbles in this sort of thing let me add my two cents:
What if it is the only way? Games cost money... or at least time. Lots of time, even for a simple one.
Sure, I can say I'll develop a game for the fun of it (it IS fun), but strictly fun is not going to pay my mortgage. And without doing that I'm not going to be writing much of anything... it's cold outside!
On the other hand, if I make the game involve a product or promotional concept, then someone might be willing to pay me to have the fun of writing a game!
Works all 'round, I have fun writing it, people have fun playing it, I get $$, the client gets increased sales. It's pretty well win win.
Would I rather be able to just write what I want? Sure, I'd also like a Ferrari, and a Jacuzzi, while we're at it.
(actually I do write some things for the heck of it from time to time. Help me stress test one I'm writing right now :) Blockwars .
It's a 1-10 person elimination style multiplayer game)
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I work at a company that makes a lot of these. It's a good time.
Anyone remember this one from the Arcades?
It was a crappy game, and was basically an advertisement for one of Journey's albums (Escape? Frontiers? whatever.
This was 1983 or 84 I think.
Huh?
As someone has mentioned, the article isnt about product placement in games, but a whole game who's focus is selling a product. Hasnt this been done in a way in America's Army? It is not to promote a product, but to promote recruiting, but same idea. I am not sure how many people have joined the army because of this game, but i do know a lot of people who play. So their message is getting to the target audience.
Also, take a hint in the fact that this game is free. If i am going to play games, they might as well be free.
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Great idea! Then there will be all those anti-ad mods. Replacing those "textures" with "an ad woz ere" ones. Goooooooooooooooooooooooood.
I wonder if we'll see large budget adware games in the future. Considering the 400billion to Trillion[1] dollar expenditures on direct and indirect advertising along with the increased popularity of ad-blocking software and consumer electronics, creative --foolhardy?-- ad producers might see piggyback ads as a way to micro-target consumers.
Some modern ad examples: Kazaa makes (millions) off of their file sharing service. We see product placement ads in movies Happy Gilmore (Subway sandwitch), tv shows Drew Carey(Aqua Java drink) nowadays. Some oneline chat (MMORPG) "There.com" (Levis/Nike)
Former FTC Chairman Robert Pitofsky projected online advertising revenue to projected to increase. From 3E8$ to 2E9$ to 11 billion dollars by 2003[2]. If advertisers aren't seeing good returns from banner ads, they might after making their "ads" more entertaining by bundling some entertainment... =)
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[1]COMMUNICATION FROM THE UNITED STATES: Advertising and Related Services (2001 July). World Trade Organization notes (?)
[2]Opening Remarks, FTC Chairman Robert Pitofsky, Public Workshop on Online Profiling, November 8, 1999. Volume XIX. Issue 22. November 15, 1999. Page 5-8. [see hyperlink]. --the linked article is some sort of critque of Pitosfsky's policies.
In Whipeout 2097, the advertising worked and fitted the context. Billboards with a hip energydrink brand where position next to the track, telling you you could up youre score with it, due to higher concentration.
I still think of it during a long drive cross the state. Ok, I bought it only once, but hey!
me thinks somebody haven't been playing their counterstrike.
Isn't the goal of advertizers to reach as wide an audience as possible? Gamers are a rather limited one.
With advergames they wouldn't reach me at all, so as far as I'm concerned all spammers can change over yesterday.
Now All I need is one of These to remove the adverts.
No Radio, No Papers, No TV, No Computer Games, No Flash, No images what next, how can I get away from the advertising hellll......
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
I would actually pay a couple bucks a month for a station devoted to the funniest commercials, if it were convenient and right there in my living room.
Are you high? You would pay for ads? True, most ads have nothing to do with their products, so they're more like 30-second special effects or quasi-humorous spotlights, but they're still designed to sell you something. There's a reason so many people are disgusted by the industry practices that incorporate paying for ads (cable TV, movies, internet access). Industries/companies shouldn't get both, it's greed at the clear expense of the consumer. Either they give it to you for free with ads, or you pay and don't have to watch them. A few good internet sites do this, but most don't.
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That wasn't too bad. The game and its instruction manual, IIRC, poked fun at the product placement... and Sobe was enough of an offbeat brand to fit in with the personality of the game. Besides, the stuff in the machines within the game didn't match actual Sobe products (unless they really make something called eXpresso that makes you run really really fast...).
On the other hand, if they had littered the landscape with Pepsi machines and skipped the nudge-nudge-wink-wink references to product placement... Ugh.
Or how about Cool Spot where you play the spot on the front of the 7-Up can?
Oh, and if you are Japanese, you might enjoy the "Pepsi-man Game."
This of course ignores games that have advertising placed in them, like Nike or Red Bull ads.
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