Funny, I would venture that Software Engineering degrees in Canada are devalued because nobody knows the difference between software engineering and computer science.
Hell, electrical engineers can't find jobs because there are engineering firms hiring computer science courses to do actual engineering work with signal processing and telling the hires to "buy the signals book from the engineering students." So now tell me, what was the point of going through elec eng, and the pain it was, if you don't have a shot at the job?
And then, everbody's replaceable. The only question is the amount of the cost to the company to replace you. At the entry level, you can essentially be right fucked by the company. If you survive a few years, then you have a shot at some stability.
It hosed my laptop (Windows XP SP1 when restored from the image) with an instant reboot and BSOD. 890859 is well documented as a patch that potentially kills XP systems, but I don't know about 2000.
IANAA(ccountant) or an economist, but with all these studies showing that the BSA is wrong or that the Microsoft studies are wrong, and all the controversy surrounding them, isn't there a standard way of conducting these things so that we can have one answer once and for all?
That's not to say we only need one study. If a study is independently backed up by others, then wouldn't we know the real effects of piracy?
The one thing you forget is that in today's society, you're practically nothing without a degree. Its expected that you will go to high school, take the SAT, graduate, and move to some college or university for 4 years. After that, you get a job and become a productive member of society.
Of course, there's exceptions to every rule like this one. You did well without a degree. Congratulations. But your life isn't for everybody either.
But of course, this is/., where everything is a pissing contest.
My girlfriend (the smarter one of the two of us) was there.
Jobs didn't go on about dropping out of school to tell people that its the right thing to do. He was driving at that we should do what we enjoy because life is too short to live someone else's dream. It just so happened that he mentioned dropping out of school in the course of explaining his life story.
Personally (although every time I post in a thread related to education, I get moderated into oblivion), tell the kids to stay in school unless they know damn well what they want to do,and not because they're frustrated with it. That degree can be a fallback, and you can always go back to school if the need arises.
Hey, chill.
If you think my comment was BS, and if this comes across as holier-than-thou then so be it, but I didn't intentionally paint all HS students with the same brush.
However, if a 23 year old can give a 16 year old some advice - get some patience. I had the same workload you did in HS, and I pushed through it. Having said that, the patience and perserverance you obtain by doing that truckload of work will come in handy later on in life.
Then you'll realise that you are the exception, not the rule.
Someone, please, oh God, please, mod the parent up.
If anything, what we should also be doing is encouraging students to do the homework and then seeing the results of it. Do you know how many students complain that "the teacher/professor/instructor didn't actually teach the material" when what really happened was that the student didn't do his homework? How many independent study units get left to the last minute where they are done improperly, and then the kids get killed on tests?
What we also can't force students to do is attempt to learn something from their homework - there are way too many kids who just go through the motions without exercising any thought patterns so they can say they *did* the homework, but are no better having done it.
A culture where being called "Einstein" in high school is actually an _insult_. A culture where (as reflected in another recent/. article), having the genes to be a slightly asocial genius instead of an air-head chatterbox, is proposed as a reason for abortion.
I'm kinda surprised at the lack of sympathy being given - our geek brethren (and sisters) out in Europe are being canned, and no one here seems to care much. Unionization comes up around here, and every time its shut down. I'd like to see if the union will help out those in Europe.
Then again, and I know I'm going to start a flame war or get moderated into oblivion, but most people don't care until the problem is in their back yard.
The problem is that most people enter a university expecting to be taught how to use software used out in the work force. Up in Canada, we don't tend to get courses like that in an engineering/computer science program, that's left for the community colleges, which focus more on hands-on experience than theoretical knowledge.
It didn't help that when people sign up for universities (as was in my case), they're practically promised jobs at graduation, and that they'll be ready for whatever the workforce throws at them. Then graduates become bitter when they look at jobs they're not qualified for because they lack experience in software package x.
So there should be a clearer definition of the different fields:
- Software/Computer/Electrical Engineering, whose focus is on design, - Computer Science, whose focus is more theoretical, - Community colleges, whose focus (up here) is more hands-on, and - IT, which is more 'management' of resources.
I'm merely pointing out that a religious motivation doesn't magically turn a bigoted belief into a non-bigoted one.
That's fine and very true, and you're right, it does not affect your argument. I think that it was the way you presented your argument that rubbed me the wrong way.
I know I'm tangenting here, but the problem with religion and homosexuality is that some religions treat the definition of a 'homosexual lifestyle' (term used loosely here, but invariably includes homosexual acts) as 'intrinsically flawed'. The flaw, however, needs to be applied to both sides.
From the religious standpoint, we have 'hate the sin and not the sinner.' Religious people need to remember that the majority of religions support free choice, but part of the job of being religious is to set the example and point out errors. Because we're human, the implementation of that usually doesn't work out, but the intention is there. (Yes, I know, that doesn't excuse some acts.) Remember, a religion is a package deal, and those who choose to follow a religion need to accept its tenets. Going about preaching the Word the wrong way is probably a sin. Religion is not teaching bigotry as you put it, but it comes across that way sometimes when religious point out an error in decision making from their viewpoint. The 'from their viewpoint' is the essential part here.
But hey, I'm no apologist. I do, however get asked these questions from a Roman Catholic point of view, and I try my best to not be an arse when explaining the way the Church looks at it.
From the other side, homosexual 'activists' (term used loosely here) need to remember that religion does not 'hate' gay people. They need to accept that religions say that homosexuality isn't part of a religious life. I get pissed when I see activists blasting religious people, and I get equally pissed when the reverse happens.
However, as with all passionate debates, people don't think properly, which is why every debate I see about this usually results in someone getting agitated and making some public comment that exacerbates the issue.
Being a Christian is not a free pass. The origin of your belief is irrelevant - if you believe that being gay is wrong, then are are a bigot, more or less by definition.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Bible say to hate the sin and not the sinner? As far as I know, its ok to be gay and be a member of the Roman Catholic Church, but it is not ok to perform homosexual acts. (I can't speak about other Christian denominations.)
I'm heavily considering getting a PhD, not only due to bad experiences in the corporate world, but because I enjoy teaching and research, and a few professors have recommended it to me.. While it doesn't guarantee me the megabucks, a teaching position seems like a nice way to stay steady.
To expand a bit more -
That comment about diversity goes both ways - I think black people are not likely to try to succeed because they're (1) not expecting to do so and (2) not expected to do so.
There's at least two problems that need to be fixed.
Elementary school? Being the only black kid who cared, nobody would want to talk to me. The popular white kids asked me if I liked girls or books better - I chose books. Nobody could figure out why I sucked at basketball. Hell, its supposed to be a sport I'm good at, right? This came at the expense of selfconfidence and the ability to develop social skills, only because I had no chance to develop them.
High school? My friends understood me (I went to a private school where the kids actually cared about learning) and I got the odd "oreo" joke. The thing about these guys - they warned me well before a topic could even come close to being offensive to me. I respect them for it, because they're among the few that actually thought about other people.
When I worked at Canada's Wonderland, I was told that I was the first black manager of a food services unit in a few years.
The workforce? I took an internship at IBM, and when I got an evaluation that showed (at least to me) a lack of management ability, I always wondered if the situation was caused by a set of low expectations of me. Essentially, they told me that I didn't work on the code (despite me asking for it) and got too comfortable testing, and as a result, they thought I wasn't doing very well and couldn't do well working on defects in the code. In the back of my mind I thought that they didn't give me a chance because they thought I couldn't make it.
I was one of 3 black students out of 200 at the software lab I worked at at IBM. Diversity! Woo!
University? I'm at university now, and applying for a Master's Degree, and wondering how my professors are taking that. I don't see black students in advanced degrees. I don't know any black professors in any engineering discipline, so I'm nervous since it feels like I'm breaking new ground, and I'm under pressure to fail. It feels scary, and it doesn't help that I am yet to read a paper for the IEEE with a black person's name on it.
Socially? My girlfriend isn't black, but Chinese. Black people look at me funny as if I'm selling out. Chinese people can't figure out what the hell I'm doing with her. I'm lucky that her family is open minded, and so is mine.
It doesn't help that I've been burned by people I was supposed to trust many times, so now I have problems trusting those I don't know well to not have a preconception of me.
So race perceptions make everything, and I'm sick of them. Sometimes, I get the impression that its easier to not be what I am, because people won't think lowly of me.
If this feels like a rant, then so be it since I needed to get this out of my system, mod it down, do whatever, but I'm glad that others feel this way.
I don't buy the argument that this is the best way to find the owner of the card.
Doesn't the cab company have a lost and found? The owner would have gone there if he figured he left it on the car. People find pets and bikes via lost and found depots. You assume they're worthless.
Now, assuming that the cabbie took reasonable measures to find the owner, isn't the responsible thing to do to format the card if the cabbie is going to keep it?
While I do not have the dirver from Linuxant, their module would in fact show up to an end user as "GPL".
Let's take a look at one of their drivers. I don't have one of their Conexant drivers though. This is for their wireless one. The lameness filter might insert a space or two.
bash-2.05b$/sbin/modinfo driverloader filename:/lib/modules/2.4.26-lck1/misc/driverloader.o desc ription: "Linuxant DriverLoader for Wireless LAN devices" author: "Copyright (C) 2003-2004 Linuxant inc." license: "see LICENSE file; Copyright (c)2003-2004 Linuxant inc." parm: suppress_linkstatus int
However, there are times when it boils down to nepotism, and it seems like a matter of degree when a hiring manager bases his final decision on someone's recommendation. What if everybody gave out recommendations saying "Hey, this guy is awesome"?
Having said that, I'm not bitter, and I'm not trying to demean your accomplishments, you have to be doing something right if you are getting recomdations back to back. I'm a student and recently got my big break for an internship, but now I'm trying to network without making it look like I'm sucking up to the whole company since I don't think I'll get lucky again (I'm working at a really big company) and I don't have friends who can call friends in high places or places that are in control of the hiring.
That's my problem, and I'm expecting to have a hard time finding a job based on the fact that I don't have anyone to recommend me. I'd like to be able to say "I earned my job because I'm good at what I do" and not have to append "and because my buddy X called up manager Y".
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Funny, I would venture that Software Engineering degrees in Canada are devalued because nobody knows the difference between software engineering and computer science.
Hell, electrical engineers can't find jobs because there are engineering firms hiring computer science courses to do actual engineering work with signal processing and telling the hires to "buy the signals book from the engineering students." So now tell me, what was the point of going through elec eng, and the pain it was, if you don't have a shot at the job?
And then, everbody's replaceable. The only question is the amount of the cost to the company to replace you. At the entry level, you can essentially be right fucked by the company. If you survive a few years, then you have a shot at some stability.
Does patch 890859 apply to Windows 2000?
It hosed my laptop (Windows XP SP1 when restored from the image) with an instant reboot and BSOD. 890859 is well documented as a patch that potentially kills XP systems, but I don't know about 2000.
IANAA(ccountant) or an economist, but with all these studies showing that the BSA is wrong or that the Microsoft studies are wrong, and all the controversy surrounding them, isn't there a standard way of conducting these things so that we can have one answer once and for all?
That's not to say we only need one study. If a study is independently backed up by others, then wouldn't we know the real effects of piracy?
Nice knee jerk reaction.
/., where everything is a pissing contest.
The one thing you forget is that in today's society, you're practically nothing without a degree. Its expected that you will go to high school, take the SAT, graduate, and move to some college or university for 4 years. After that, you get a job and become a productive member of society.
Of course, there's exceptions to every rule like this one. You did well without a degree. Congratulations. But your life isn't for everybody either. But of course, this is
My girlfriend (the smarter one of the two of us) was there.
Jobs didn't go on about dropping out of school to tell people that its the right thing to do. He was driving at that we should do what we enjoy because life is too short to live someone else's dream. It just so happened that he mentioned dropping out of school in the course of explaining his life story.
This article apparently explains it a lot better.
Personally (although every time I post in a thread related to education, I get moderated into oblivion), tell the kids to stay in school unless they know damn well what they want to do,and not because they're frustrated with it. That degree can be a fallback, and you can always go back to school if the need arises.
Hey, chill. If you think my comment was BS, and if this comes across as holier-than-thou then so be it, but I didn't intentionally paint all HS students with the same brush. However, if a 23 year old can give a 16 year old some advice - get some patience. I had the same workload you did in HS, and I pushed through it. Having said that, the patience and perserverance you obtain by doing that truckload of work will come in handy later on in life. Then you'll realise that you are the exception, not the rule.
Someone, please, oh God, please, mod the parent up.
/. article), having the genes to be a slightly asocial genius instead of an air-head chatterbox, is proposed as a reason for abortion.
If anything, what we should also be doing is encouraging students to do the homework and then seeing the results of it. Do you know how many students complain that "the teacher/professor/instructor didn't actually teach the material" when what really happened was that the student didn't do his homework? How many independent study units get left to the last minute where they are done improperly, and then the kids get killed on tests?
What we also can't force students to do is attempt to learn something from their homework - there are way too many kids who just go through the motions without exercising any thought patterns so they can say they *did* the homework, but are no better having done it.
A culture where being called "Einstein" in high school is actually an _insult_. A culture where (as reflected in another recent
That is exactly the problem.
As am I.
I'm kinda surprised at the lack of sympathy being given - our geek brethren (and sisters) out in Europe are being canned, and no one here seems to care much. Unionization comes up around here, and every time its shut down. I'd like to see if the union will help out those in Europe.
Then again, and I know I'm going to start a flame war or get moderated into oblivion, but most people don't care until the problem is in their back yard.
I tend to agree with you.
The problem is that most people enter a university expecting to be taught how to use software used out in the work force. Up in Canada, we don't tend to get courses like that in an engineering/computer science program, that's left for the community colleges, which focus more on hands-on experience than theoretical knowledge.
It didn't help that when people sign up for universities (as was in my case), they're practically promised jobs at graduation, and that they'll be ready for whatever the workforce throws at them. Then graduates become bitter when they look at jobs they're not qualified for because they lack experience in software package x.
So there should be a clearer definition of the different fields:
- Software/Computer/Electrical Engineering, whose focus is on design,
- Computer Science, whose focus is more theoretical,
- Community colleges, whose focus (up here) is more hands-on, and
- IT, which is more 'management' of resources.
Then we'll know exactly what we're getting into.
Select Windows. Then press F8.
I'm merely pointing out that a religious motivation doesn't magically turn a bigoted belief into a non-bigoted one.
That's fine and very true, and you're right, it does not affect your argument. I think that it was the way you presented your argument that rubbed me the wrong way.
I know I'm tangenting here, but the problem with religion and homosexuality is that some religions treat the definition of a 'homosexual lifestyle' (term used loosely here, but invariably includes homosexual acts) as 'intrinsically flawed'. The flaw, however, needs to be applied to both sides.
From the religious standpoint, we have 'hate the sin and not the sinner.' Religious people need to remember that the majority of religions support free choice, but part of the job of being religious is to set the example and point out errors. Because we're human, the implementation of that usually doesn't work out, but the intention is there. (Yes, I know, that doesn't excuse some acts.) Remember, a religion is a package deal, and those who choose to follow a religion need to accept its tenets. Going about preaching the Word the wrong way is probably a sin. Religion is not teaching bigotry as you put it, but it comes across that way sometimes when religious point out an error in decision making from their viewpoint. The 'from their viewpoint' is the essential part here.
But hey, I'm no apologist. I do, however get asked these questions from a Roman Catholic point of view, and I try my best to not be an arse when explaining the way the Church looks at it.
From the other side, homosexual 'activists' (term used loosely here) need to remember that religion does not 'hate' gay people. They need to accept that religions say that homosexuality isn't part of a religious life. I get pissed when I see activists blasting religious people, and I get equally pissed when the reverse happens.
However, as with all passionate debates, people don't think properly, which is why every debate I see about this usually results in someone getting agitated and making some public comment that exacerbates the issue.
I hope that made sense. Its hard to explain.
Being a Christian is not a free pass. The origin of your belief is irrelevant - if you believe that being gay is wrong, then are are a bigot, more or less by definition.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Bible say to hate the sin and not the sinner? As far as I know, its ok to be gay and be a member of the Roman Catholic Church, but it is not ok to perform homosexual acts. (I can't speak about other Christian denominations.)
I didn't know Google was that energy efficient.
Why is that funny?
I'm heavily considering getting a PhD, not only due to bad experiences in the corporate world, but because I enjoy teaching and research, and a few professors have recommended it to me.. While it doesn't guarantee me the megabucks, a teaching position seems like a nice way to stay steady.
Don't forget the amount of people who use both.
I'll bet there's a lot of people with more than one box. I did.
Can you tell me where I can find the Linux 7.0 webserver? Got any links?
Since you know soooo much about the LinuxOS I figured you would know.
To expand a bit more - That comment about diversity goes both ways - I think black people are not likely to try to succeed because they're (1) not expecting to do so and (2) not expected to do so. There's at least two problems that need to be fixed.
I'm still dealing with that.
Elementary school? Being the only black kid who cared, nobody would want to talk to me. The popular white kids asked me if I liked girls or books better - I chose books. Nobody could figure out why I sucked at basketball. Hell, its supposed to be a sport I'm good at, right? This came at the expense of selfconfidence and the ability to develop social skills, only because I had no chance to develop them.
High school? My friends understood me (I went to a private school where the kids actually cared about learning) and I got the odd "oreo" joke. The thing about these guys - they warned me well before a topic could even come close to being offensive to me. I respect them for it, because they're among the few that actually thought about other people.
When I worked at Canada's Wonderland, I was told that I was the first black manager of a food services unit in a few years.
The workforce? I took an internship at IBM, and when I got an evaluation that showed (at least to me) a lack of management ability, I always wondered if the situation was caused by a set of low expectations of me. Essentially, they told me that I didn't work on the code (despite me asking for it) and got too comfortable testing, and as a result, they thought I wasn't doing very well and couldn't do well working on defects in the code. In the back of my mind I thought that they didn't give me a chance because they thought I couldn't make it.
I was one of 3 black students out of 200 at the software lab I worked at at IBM. Diversity! Woo!
University? I'm at university now, and applying for a Master's Degree, and wondering how my professors are taking that. I don't see black students in advanced degrees. I don't know any black professors in any engineering discipline, so I'm nervous since it feels like I'm breaking new ground, and I'm under pressure to fail. It feels scary, and it doesn't help that I am yet to read a paper for the IEEE with a black person's name on it.
Socially? My girlfriend isn't black, but Chinese. Black people look at me funny as if I'm selling out. Chinese people can't figure out what the hell I'm doing with her. I'm lucky that her family is open minded, and so is mine.
It doesn't help that I've been burned by people I was supposed to trust many times, so now I have problems trusting those I don't know well to not have a preconception of me.
So race perceptions make everything, and I'm sick of them. Sometimes, I get the impression that its easier to not be what I am, because people won't think lowly of me.
If this feels like a rant, then so be it since I needed to get this out of my system, mod it down, do whatever, but I'm glad that others feel this way.
I think it was called Juggernaut.
I don't buy the argument that this is the best way to find the owner of the card.
Doesn't the cab company have a lost and found? The owner would have gone there if he figured he left it on the car. People find pets and bikes via lost and found depots. You assume they're worthless.
Now, assuming that the cabbie took reasonable measures to find the owner, isn't the responsible thing to do to format the card if the cabbie is going to keep it?
Its entirely possible the strings from the Conexant driver and the wireless one are different.
Let's take a look at one of their drivers. I don't have one of their Conexant drivers though. This is for their wireless one. The lameness filter might insert a space or two.
However, there are times when it boils down to nepotism, and it seems like a matter of degree when a hiring manager bases his final decision on someone's recommendation. What if everybody gave out recommendations saying "Hey, this guy is awesome"?
Having said that, I'm not bitter, and I'm not trying to demean your accomplishments, you have to be doing something right if you are getting recomdations back to back. I'm a student and recently got my big break for an internship, but now I'm trying to network without making it look like I'm sucking up to the whole company since I don't think I'll get lucky again (I'm working at a really big company) and I don't have friends who can call friends in high places or places that are in control of the hiring.
That's my problem, and I'm expecting to have a hard time finding a job based on the fact that I don't have anyone to recommend me. I'd like to be able to say "I earned my job because I'm good at what I do" and not have to append "and because my buddy X called up manager Y".
Maybe I'm too much of an idealist.
{Alexander Graham Bell, SCO and Elisha Gray, USA}
Scots everywhere are offended that you would associate Mr. Bell with the American SCO group.
seperate 54 Mbps 802.11g devices are plentily available nowadays...
Yeah, for Windows. Most if not all 54g cards are on Broadcom's chipsets, which have no Linux drivers.