Do you have any other recommandations in this vein from down under?
Try Morning After Girls, Eskimo Joe, Jebediah, Lysistrata, Fdel, Jet, Airbourne (maybe), Neon, Wolf and Cub, Riff Random, Mercy Arms etc.
You're better off coming over though - the live scene's been down for a long time, but it's building now and there's great rock and funk being played at pub and club gigs.
Atmosphere's not something you'll find on any MP3 player, iPod _or_ Zune...
Belief in an idea larger than yourself and that you can't ever really be sure is true is Noble.
So we should respect these guys - http://www.mufon.com/ - instead of calling them fruitcakes?
Or perhaps you mean "noble" in the chemical sense and are suggesting they're congenitally unable to form stable relationships? If that's the case, there's going to be a lot of bowing and scraping amongst the Slashdot community in the days ahead...
i hope the community can defend itself. with or without help from commercial entities.
I believe the community INCLUDES commercial entities. That means it's not a matter of a poor dispersed peoples looking for a "sympathetic deep pocket".
It means that it makes sound financial sense for those commercial entities to defend the FOSS resources which are helping to make them more profitable.
IBM really likes its patents. And its patents are in a different part of the company from Linux, and a part that can override the Linux department.
True, but there's an implication in the parent poster's claim that Open Source developers are all too impoverished to defend themselves against MS. It's an extension of the false meme that FOSS is created solely by pasty basement dwellers in their spare time.
That's no longer the case (if it ever was), and there are now plenty of organisations with relatively deep pockets ready to fight if their software ecosystem is threatened by MS.
The Antikythera mechanism is *not* user friendly, and until it is Antikythera will stay with >1% marketshare.
Take installation. Antikythera zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do hammer-dowel install package, or hit package": Yes, because hitting with "hammer" makes so much more sense to new users than double-whipping a slave that does "setups".
Antikythera zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Antikythera configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of slave storage issues. Example comments:
User: "How do I get Quake 0.03 to run in Antikythera?" Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redtoga, you have to smelt quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.tin, then do chmod +x with a file.....
The way I see it, all FOSS software competes with each other and the best/most popular/best supported options remain. The rest is indeed abandoned.
As you say, abandonment isn't necessarily a failure with FOSS. I was involved with a largish project a few years ago (a Laboratory Information Management System (LIMS)) which never saw the light of day in its entirety, but I and others have continued to use sections of the code in other less ambitious projects. That's something that rarely happens with abandoned proprietary projects.
In fact, I'd say one of the greatest benefits of the "failure" was the learning process of the team - I know it changed the way I've designed projects since then, open and closed.
But if Novell released said code under the GPL, then the genie is out of the bottle.
Subterranean patents will still have the potential to cause havoc though, and with the copyright holder unwilling to protect end-users, the climate will be right for a serious FUD campaign.
Risks are hard to quantify, which makes comparing them difficult. There's an index of risk factors which tries to estimate the probable loss of life expectancy (LLE) by counting how many days of life will be lost because of an activity or condition.
It makes interesting reading, particularly when you compare it to our perceived risks.
When he gets back to Redmond he'll be in deep shit.
Precisely.
Microsoft's pulling out of the biggest potential market in the world because of piracy, like I'd be pulling out of Natalie Portman because she farts in bed.
And why are some web devlopers so obsessed with the OS model?
Because we've read William Gibson and we want to build cyberspace.
Microsoft, Apple et al all rely on the clear separation of workstation and world so they can sell the same product millions of times.
Governments have lost the will and the ability to conceptualise and sell beautiful futures.
If we want a great infrastructure project like cyberspace, we'll have to muck in and do it ourselves. This may not let me burn chrome tomorrow, but it has the potential to leave a bigger footprint in the cyberdust than the OS vendors have made in the past decade.
Haha, I like how when you point out the fallibility of this guy's statement, you get modded down. Proof the slashdot moderation system is working!
A posting mentioning a Microsoft flaw relevant to TFA, complete with link to MSDN knowledgebase article about the flaw, now has lower points than an entirely unsubstantiated criticism of an OS not under discussion in TFA.
Yup, the mod point system is working well for MS shills. Shame it's spoiling the discussion for the rest of us.
you wont start hearing a large public outcry until the generic suburban living, SUV driving, soccer-moms and single-dads with their herd of children start getting personal visits from the 3 letter agencies.
The next time you see a girl in a video online, ask yourself if you're sure she wants to be there. There's nothing wrong with a fantasy--but there's something wrong with slavery that's used to visualize it.
You're right, and that's really the only argument I see as being valid here. I'd say though, virtually every human activity can and will be misused. That's a good reason for effective laws and law enforcement, not a good excuse for censorship and repression.
It's the slavery (both physical and economic) that is the problem and needs to be dealt with, not the expression of sexuality.
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Try Morning After Girls, Eskimo Joe, Jebediah, Lysistrata, Fdel, Jet, Airbourne (maybe), Neon, Wolf and Cub, Riff Random, Mercy Arms etc.
You're better off coming over though - the live scene's been down for a long time, but it's building now and there's great rock and funk being played at pub and club gigs.
Atmosphere's not something you'll find on any MP3 player, iPod _or_ Zune...
And the paradox is, they'd all be lining up to jump themselves.
Not a chance man. If it was, the elephants would have eaten it already.
You can chuck a Knoppix dvd in the drive and be productive within minutes.
So we should respect these guys - http://www.mufon.com/ - instead of calling them fruitcakes?
Or perhaps you mean "noble" in the chemical sense and are suggesting they're congenitally unable to form stable relationships? If that's the case, there's going to be a lot of bowing and scraping amongst the Slashdot community in the days ahead...
I believe the community INCLUDES commercial entities. That means it's not a matter of a poor dispersed peoples looking for a "sympathetic deep pocket".
It means that it makes sound financial sense for those commercial entities to defend the FOSS resources which are helping to make them more profitable.
True, but there's an implication in the parent poster's claim that Open Source developers are all too impoverished to defend themselves against MS. It's an extension of the false meme that FOSS is created solely by pasty basement dwellers in their spare time.
That's no longer the case (if it ever was), and there are now plenty of organisations with relatively deep pockets ready to fight if their software ecosystem is threatened by MS.
These guys IBM already are; Groklaw.
They seem to be coping well enough.
Avril Lavigne.
The Antikythera mechanism is *not* user friendly, and until it is Antikythera will stay with >1% marketshare.
Take installation. Antikythera zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do hammer-dowel install package, or hit package": Yes, because hitting with "hammer" makes so much more sense to new users than double-whipping a slave that does "setups".
Antikythera zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Antikythera configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of slave storage issues. Example comments:
User: "How do I get Quake 0.03 to run in Antikythera?" Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redtoga, you have to smelt quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.tin, then do chmod +x with a file.....
As you say, abandonment isn't necessarily a failure with FOSS. I was involved with a largish project a few years ago (a Laboratory Information Management System (LIMS)) which never saw the light of day in its entirety, but I and others have continued to use sections of the code in other less ambitious projects. That's something that rarely happens with abandoned proprietary projects.
In fact, I'd say one of the greatest benefits of the "failure" was the learning process of the team - I know it changed the way I've designed projects since then, open and closed.
"$500,000 to get a seat"
$50 to get a hunting license.
Perhaps if they played light, pleasant music continuously in the background, it would calm the passengers and make them think tranquil thoughts.
Subterranean patents will still have the potential to cause havoc though, and with the copyright holder unwilling to protect end-users, the climate will be right for a serious FUD campaign.
Nah, everyone knows geeks are useless at dates because they never get any. Predictable failure, that one.
Well, there's this; http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/RNote s/2005/809890.pdf (PDF Warning)
There's a bit of debate about this going on at the moment over here in Aus, since the NT is looking at imposing upper speed limits for the first time ever. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2006/s1780096.h tm
It makes interesting reading, particularly when you compare it to our perceived risks.
Precisely.
Microsoft's pulling out of the biggest potential market in the world because of piracy, like I'd be pulling out of Natalie Portman because she farts in bed.
I don't know wether that's true. they're more likely to tell them to ram it.
If I tried gripping it as firmly as you seem to be, it'd fall off.
Because we've read William Gibson and we want to build cyberspace.
Microsoft, Apple et al all rely on the clear separation of workstation and world so they can sell the same product millions of times.
Governments have lost the will and the ability to conceptualise and sell beautiful futures.
If we want a great infrastructure project like cyberspace, we'll have to muck in and do it ourselves. This may not let me burn chrome tomorrow, but it has the potential to leave a bigger footprint in the cyberdust than the OS vendors have made in the past decade.
Accidentally mismoderated - replying to cancel.
A posting mentioning a Microsoft flaw relevant to TFA, complete with link to MSDN knowledgebase article about the flaw, now has lower points than an entirely unsubstantiated criticism of an OS not under discussion in TFA.
Yup, the mod point system is working well for MS shills. Shame it's spoiling the discussion for the rest of us.
Done. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35 103.
Can we start the large public outcry now please?
You're right, and that's really the only argument I see as being valid here. I'd say though, virtually every human activity can and will be misused. That's a good reason for effective laws and law enforcement, not a good excuse for censorship and repression.
It's the slavery (both physical and economic) that is the problem and needs to be dealt with, not the expression of sexuality.