Agreed. pfSense or m0n0wall can both display a state table and let you know what traffic is really going where. You need a router you can look inside with an external IP address.
It is based on comments made durring the beta and development of the linux client. (This is what the steam box will be) Add that to the marketing comments, and factor in the "businesses don't like extra work" concept and this is what you get. Why bother to totally lock down the OS? It would not be locked down for most of your users, (Linux Mac Windows) so what do you gain? Verses keeping it open, which means less work and more hackers finding cool things to do with it. It was a Half Life TC that really made Steam what it is today. And they remember that...
Is there any real evidence that steamOS will actually be truly open?
I know they advertised that the OS will be open source to some degree, but I haven't been able to dig up the details.
It is the steam client on Linux. Essentually, install Ubuntu, and the Steam client. Then set up your game user so the shell is the steam client, not Unity, and have it default to big picture mode. Now you have a steam box. And I am sure you can go the other way as well. The core is Linux, and the beta is the Ubuntu userbase.
I think the entire point was to show how good it was with existing games not specifically written for it. (Since that will be the majority of the games out there on the release day.)
Your right thumb is going to get insanely sore doing that swiping motion to look around quickly. Button presses + motion will be hard/impossible, as will button combos and I guarantee the underside/LS/RS buttons will get clicked accidentally or you'll end up hurting your hands trying not to press them.
You saw that specifically addressed in "Papers Please" where they had both pads acting as mouse so you had mouse swipes with both thumbs. That was the coolest thing to me as it is more natural than a mouse! And if the "click" is a trigger, I do not see the problem.
But do they do a 7 pass wipe and then shread the drive after, like they do with their own secret stuff? (Do they even delete it? Sorry, I took your data through a border checkpoint, so we get 20 more years...)
Go live in Somalia then! There's no government to spy on you there! All you people who want to keep your civil rights safe from the government should go live in Somalia.
Go to prison then! Free housing, free food, free healthcare, and lots of security! All you people who want to keep your government entitlements at all costs should go live in prison.
The first thing that comes to mind is craigslist aggragators. Next is Google. Any of the cheap flight booking companies, or hotel companies... And this is off the top of my head.
With all the painful attempts to turn my high end multi-headed large monitor computer into a phone, (Unity, Gnome Shell, Win8) it is nice to see some turnabout!
In light of the importance of this project, the thing is cheap at 600 million
No, it is still overpriced for the job it is doing. Other businesses have built websites of greater complexity, with heavier loads for a lot less money.
And the process is set up so that the person who actually makes the decision is never heald responsable when they go over budget by 1000% or skip town in the middle of a project.
I have driven to a dealership that did that to me. In my new car that they did not sell. The sales manager still did not care. Until I asked how to contact the ownership...
I am with you. I am 6 foot tall, and all torso, no leg. So some cars I just do not fit in. At all... The only way to know is a test drive, and that does require a lot of some kind.
We are calm, this is just a giant fuck-you to the people who want open drivers for good reasons. I get that there are all sorts of stupid (and Microsoft-driven apparently) contractual reasons why NVidia won't find it easy to open-source their drivers. This doesn't mean I can't be fucking disappointed about Valve choosing short-term thinking over long-term.
Actually they chose performance over purity. And I agree, since I made the same choice. nVidia drivers are more stable than AMD, and the card perform better on Linux.
Besides, their business is selling closed source software. Not a big surprise that it does not offend them the way it does you...
I wouldn't consider drivers a serious issue. If Valve goes to AMD/ATI and says 'We'll buy a hundred thousand chips for the first production run, with potential sales of fifteen million to follow' I'm sure improved driver support would quickly follow.
Actually, nVidia has been actively working with them for over a year now fixing some significant driver bugs. And they haven't bought anything yet.
Nvidia hardware isn't really clearly superior to AMD.. they rotate on who has the best hardware at various price points.
But sure, the point is that this hardware should do a specific job for gamers at a specific price point, if Nvidia GPU's are the best bet for that in this product price segment there's no reason to be an ideological crusader about it. The point is to be able to play games, not make the average couch potato start writing driver code on his TV.
Not on Linux. nVidia consistently outperforms AMD, and is significantly more stable. And they have been actively working with Valve for quite some time to fix some show-stopping driver bugs.
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Agreed. pfSense or m0n0wall can both display a state table and let you know what traffic is really going where. You need a router you can look inside with an external IP address.
It is based on comments made durring the beta and development of the linux client. (This is what the steam box will be) Add that to the marketing comments, and factor in the "businesses don't like extra work" concept and this is what you get. Why bother to totally lock down the OS? It would not be locked down for most of your users, (Linux Mac Windows) so what do you gain? Verses keeping it open, which means less work and more hackers finding cool things to do with it. It was a Half Life TC that really made Steam what it is today. And they remember that...
Short term, I think Valve is next. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/10/12/0013251/valve-shows-how-steam-controller-works-in-real-life Innovative, versatile, cheap and open.
Long term, I think we will go controller-less before too much longer. Between touch and "connect-like" systems, they will go away.
Is there any real evidence that steamOS will actually be truly open?
I know they advertised that the OS will be open source to some degree, but I haven't been able to dig up the details.
It is the steam client on Linux. Essentually, install Ubuntu, and the Steam client. Then set up your game user so the shell is the steam client, not Unity, and have it default to big picture mode. Now you have a steam box. And I am sure you can go the other way as well. The core is Linux, and the beta is the Ubuntu userbase.
I think the entire point was to show how good it was with existing games not specifically written for it. (Since that will be the majority of the games out there on the release day.)
Your right thumb is going to get insanely sore doing that swiping motion to look around quickly. Button presses + motion will be hard/impossible, as will button combos and I guarantee the underside/LS/RS buttons will get clicked accidentally or you'll end up hurting your hands trying not to press them.
You saw that specifically addressed in "Papers Please" where they had both pads acting as mouse so you had mouse swipes with both thumbs. That was the coolest thing to me as it is more natural than a mouse! And if the "click" is a trigger, I do not see the problem.
But do they do a 7 pass wipe and then shread the drive after, like they do with their own secret stuff? (Do they even delete it? Sorry, I took your data through a border checkpoint, so we get 20 more years...)
Go live in Somalia then! There's no government to spy on you there! All you people who want to keep your civil rights safe from the government should go live in Somalia.
Go to prison then! Free housing, free food, free healthcare, and lots of security! All you people who want to keep your government entitlements at all costs should go live in prison.
The first thing that comes to mind is craigslist aggragators. Next is Google. Any of the cheap flight booking companies, or hotel companies... And this is off the top of my head.
With all the painful attempts to turn my high end multi-headed large monitor computer into a phone, (Unity, Gnome Shell, Win8) it is nice to see some turnabout!
Did you see just how bad their dancing was? That is worth 2000 lashes.
No, and I do not want to. But I forsee a new rash of links that are a bastard combination of Rick Rolling and Goatse... And I weep...
In light of the importance of this project, the thing is cheap at 600 million
No, it is still overpriced for the job it is doing. Other businesses have built websites of greater complexity, with heavier loads for a lot less money.
"Lowest bidder"
Who is a minority, woman owned, business in a economic incentive region of a disadvantaged community. And change order fees don't count.
And the process is set up so that the person who actually makes the decision is never heald responsable when they go over budget by 1000% or skip town in the middle of a project.
Buy a tractor for your fat body to ride in then?
So you work for GM? (Based on how poorly some fun GM cars fit me, yet a Suburu fits me well...)
I have driven to a dealership that did that to me. In my new car that they did not sell. The sales manager still did not care. Until I asked how to contact the ownership...
I am with you. I am 6 foot tall, and all torso, no leg. So some cars I just do not fit in. At all... The only way to know is a test drive, and that does require a lot of some kind.
At the same time, AMD has done numerous improvements to the fglrx driver and released extensive open documentation for Radeon HD family.
This is a good thing, but they are still way behind nVidia on performance and stability. Just look in the Steam support forums to see...
Kinda... Base pay. But hazzard pay, and many other bonuses that can be up to half the paycheck are still out. And base comasaries are closing as well.
"That's no moon..."
Other than The Pirate Bay...
You have to go online to get to Pirate Bay, before you even have the game ;p
How about we return to playing outside or something?
I can't. Since all the new laptops have shinny screens instead of matt, there is no was to see the damn thing in the sun!
Go into the Steam support forums. You will see that most of the people having graphics issues are running AMD cards...
We are calm, this is just a giant fuck-you to the people who want open drivers for good reasons. I get that there are all sorts of stupid (and Microsoft-driven apparently) contractual reasons why NVidia won't find it easy to open-source their drivers. This doesn't mean I can't be fucking disappointed about Valve choosing short-term thinking over long-term.
Actually they chose performance over purity. And I agree, since I made the same choice. nVidia drivers are more stable than AMD, and the card perform better on Linux.
Besides, their business is selling closed source software. Not a big surprise that it does not offend them the way it does you...
I wouldn't consider drivers a serious issue. If Valve goes to AMD/ATI and says 'We'll buy a hundred thousand chips for the first production run, with potential sales of fifteen million to follow' I'm sure improved driver support would quickly follow.
Actually, nVidia has been actively working with them for over a year now fixing some significant driver bugs. And they haven't bought anything yet.
Nvidia hardware isn't really clearly superior to AMD.. they rotate on who has the best hardware at various price points.
But sure, the point is that this hardware should do a specific job for gamers at a specific price point, if Nvidia GPU's are the best bet for that in this product price segment there's no reason to be an ideological crusader about it. The point is to be able to play games, not make the average couch potato start writing driver code on his TV.
Not on Linux. nVidia consistently outperforms AMD, and is significantly more stable. And they have been actively working with Valve for quite some time to fix some show-stopping driver bugs.