I probably also was in the target audience as techy proffesional who loves wasting money on hi-tech gizmos.
But I don't care about what something looks like as much as need it to always work. I cannot be without a phone, even while waiting for it to charge due to the nature of my work.
The point that nobody else seems to have made is that crap like an ipod you can do without for a while, a phone is a little different.
I was thinking about waiting for the iPhone to be available over here in the UK before getting an upgrade as it has a lot of features I would have liked. I on the other hand did not know that I would be unable to replace the battery when it was unable to charge anymore or that I would be unable to carry a spare charged battery as a backup if I am unable to find a powerslot I can use. Currently I always keep a spare battery for my phone in my bag.
As it is I will just go and upgrade to the latest Sony Ericson P990i instead. It supports wifi, has a web browser and most things I want but I really would have preffered an iPhone. Not being able to replace the battery myself is a killer for me though so this is one sale Apple lost.
The problem with your argument is that in the borderline cases they will deport you anyway then sort it out later.
He never got to see a courtroom or any due process, he just got put on a return flight. He also may have had to pay for his return flight or get his embassy to pay. If the embassy paid, they will charge him later.
They are not the only company that restrict access to their source code. Do your employer let anyone view their source or do you have to either sign some NDA or be an employee?
Maybe you are lucky enough to work for an open source shop but unfortunately I am not.
Please do not comment on any silly typing or gramatical errors in this post as I am quite pissed.
Sorry, but MS is very, very hard to trust. They'd be willing to let you look at Windows/.NET/whatever code alright. Only I would expect this would come with strings attached that'd ensure you'd be "contaminated" for the purpose of contributing to anything related. Say, they let you look at MS SQL, and then the moment you try to contribute to MySQL/Postgres they'd claim you're stealing their IP or something of the sort. I dont know if you have a job yet, but this is pretty much par for the course when you get one.
I am a software developer. My current contract says I cannot work for another company in the same line of work for 6 months after I leave. This prevents our competitors from poaching me and also prevents me from setting up my own business and taking any of their clients with me.
I believe that when the GNU toolchain was being written one of the authors was worried that his current employer would claim it was derived from what they had been paying him to write so would claim it was their IP. As a result of these fears he quit his job and completed the project while not working. I have just looked and cannot find a link to back this up, so if anyone knows where I might have read this, please post a link here as I would love to read it again in case it inspires me to do the same thing.
If that was Con's scheduler, then thanks. If you bothered to read the full article, you would know it wasn't. Con's work was never incorporated into the main kernel tree.
Us gentoo users had the option of using his kernel but I have always been happy with the stock gentoo kernel so never saw the need to change.
Developers don't need a holiday, they get the opportunity to attend dozens of "developer day" events all over the world. Do we? I must have missed them somehow. In truth the only people who get to attend those event are lead developers and system arcitects. the day to day coder who actually does most of the work gets to attend bugger all.
Mind you, maybe I miss out as I am also a sysadmin. So most of the time I code, but when the shit hits the fan I stop what I am doing and fix it. Then I go back to coding. The miracle is that somehow I manage to find the time to make sure the shit hits the fan less often while not missing programming project deadlines.
Really....wouldn't an intern who is 22 years old and possibly an CS major know well enough to not leave data tapes in his car overnight? Probably, but maybe he was in a hurry to have a beer that night and simply forgot.
Go on, tell me you never forgot do to anything since you were 3 or something.
Why would the US Government care about international law? They refuse to be bound by it.
Various geneva conventions already ban landmines and imprisoning people without trial (Guantanamo Bay) but they are still done in the name of homeland security.
Go on, mod this down but you know it's still true.
Sorry, I was actually referring to the European Union's Court of Justice. I was under the impression that we in Britain had signed up to make them the supreme court of appeal for Britain and agreed to allow them to overule the House of Lords in all matters of English Law.
I thought I remembered hearing that in a lecture a few years ago.
I can show you screenshots of a windows XP PC that is made to look like windows NT. Many people I knew when XP came out installed it but chose to make it look like the interface they were used to. I have an XP installation on my PC that looks like Unix.
Also, if I wanted to see what traffic an OS was sending to and from the internet, I would not use an app running under that OS. I would telnet to my router and run a traffic monitor on that PC. In my case that would be an old version of Liunx I have not upgraded in a year or so. If I used the same PC I was trying to monitor then the OS could hide whatever traffic it liked. Rootkits have been able to hide their traffic from all apps running on the same PC for years.
With this in mind please hurry up and leave already.
I thought we had signed up to make the european court the highest court in the land sometime ago. Since then they have struck down a good many of our laws that they felt were contrary to european laws.
If it was decided in the european court of justice that this breached our rights, then a british judge would have to follow that precedent regardless of the 1974 precedent you quote.
I think the slashdot needs similar policy to the uni of kansas:
One stupid moderation of a valid point gets your moderation privelidges removed forever.
But lets face it, if you were too stupid to make a valid poitn wouldnt you just hide behind the moderation system by using it to disagree with other people too?
Actually Stallman does not believe that we should be able to charge money for producing code but believes we should give it away for free.
I actually agree with him. But unfortunately I am trapped by a system that requires me to have a certain amount of money in order to eat. Your point about shareware is pretty rubbish as RMS opposes closed source software and most shareware is closed source. Most shareware is not copyleft, that would make it freeware. The concept of shareware is that I produce something and if you want to use it you have to pay. That is not copyleft. Copyleft is I produce something and you copy it as much as you like and use it for free.
I suggest you go and throw these various terms into wikipedia before posting any more uninformed comments on slashdot.
Remote root exploit - check I did say I know it has had exploits, but so does plenty on open source software.
Can't port it to other systems such as OpenBSD, Plan 9 from Bell Labs - check Who cares? How many of these systems need fast 3D video? How many apps are there for Open BSD that would take advantage of accelerated OpenGL? If there was enough demand then Nvidia would release a version for the OS's you listed. There isn't enough demand to justify the work involved. If you disagree, then write it yourself and you then have the choice of how you release it. You never know, nvidia might even offer to buy it from you.:)
Why you think it is not suitable for Kernel Level Drivers I have no idea.
Learn to read fuckwitt. I said not every peice of software. I did not say it was not suitable to linux kernel drivers.
I think it is up to the people writing software how they release it, and under what licence. If I as a developer want to keep something closed source, is that not my right?
Some people would like to be paid for going to the toilet, but it ain't gonna happen. I already am paid for writing proprietary code. So are an awful lot of people. The fact is that we all live in a capitalist world. I have spent a great many years campaigning against this, but I need to eat so I need money. Until I can sit at home and write Open Source code all day and still have enough money to live I would like to do what I enjoy.
Do you have a job? If so what do you do?
You're deluding yourself if you think an Open Source driver would be worse. I don't. I said in my post that open source produces better code and better software. Did you actually read it?
It was found to be a piece of crap by studying such parts of the Source Code as were available. Was it? I would have thought it was noticed because suid has a text based config file or that fact that the 'ps aux' command shows you what each process is running as.
Slave: My master is a good master!..... Well, he's not that bad actually (Yes, I do have a master). He is currently sitting in the other corner of my office while I post on slashdot. That fact is that anyone with a job has a master of a kind. And for most of us not having a job is not an option. So we are all slaves we just get treated better than they used to. We get to choose our masters nowadays but we still have to work for someone.
I could quit my job, but I would find it very difficult to get another without a reference for the years I have put in. (Explaining a huge gap on your CV is hard in an interview when you get older).
By the way, I loved the link you posted as I am a godless liberal too.
I write proprietary code for a living as do plenty of other people here I'm sure. Why should everybody have to release code as open source? Some of us would like to get paid for what we do without having to "add value" by offering support services as well.
In terms of Linux drivers there are several reasons why companies do not create or want open source drivers for their hardware. The most obvious one being that you are trying to keep exactly what the hardware does secret to make it harder for your competition to copy its functionality.
Personally I don't give a shit whether the drivers on my system are open or closed source, I just want them to work and closely match the functionality of the windows drivers.
I have no interest in looking through the code that makes up every driver on my Linux box any more than I would like to do a code audit on every version of Linux kernel before I compile it. Are you going to tell me that you have looked through the code for the various open source apps you use or do you take most of them on trust just like proprietary apps? Certainly for me this is far too much like what I do for a living to do it every night when I get home as well.
I would not want to use this particular driver as it is quite obviously a worthless piece of badly written junk but this does not mean that all proprietrary drivers need to be. Also note that this driver was revealed to be a piece of crap without needing access to the source code.
For a good example of a closed source driver check out the nvidia driver. It works and has never casued me any problems. I know it has had some security holes in it but so have plenty of open source drivers.
I do think that the open source usually produces better quality software if the project is well maintained, but not this model is not suitable for every piece of code produced.
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And one voided warranty if you do it yourself.
I probably also was in the target audience as techy proffesional who loves wasting money on hi-tech gizmos.
But I don't care about what something looks like as much as need it to always work. I cannot be without a phone, even while waiting for it to charge due to the nature of my work.
Wahey, Mods are all on crack.
The point that nobody else seems to have made is that crap like an ipod you can do without for a while, a phone is a little different.
I was thinking about waiting for the iPhone to be available over here in the UK before getting an upgrade as it has a lot of features I would have liked. I on the other hand did not know that I would be unable to replace the battery when it was unable to charge anymore or that I would be unable to carry a spare charged battery as a backup if I am unable to find a powerslot I can use. Currently I always keep a spare battery for my phone in my bag.
As it is I will just go and upgrade to the latest Sony Ericson P990i instead. It supports wifi, has a web browser and most things I want but I really would have preffered an iPhone. Not being able to replace the battery myself is a killer for me though so this is one sale Apple lost.
Thanks for the sig - I will be in Manchester on the 14th anyway and I have a flat just near the BBC offices.
The problem with your argument is that in the borderline cases they will deport you anyway then sort it out later.
He never got to see a courtroom or any due process, he just got put on a return flight. He also may have had to pay for his return flight or get his embassy to pay. If the embassy paid, they will charge him later.
They are not the only company that restrict access to their source code. Do your employer let anyone view their source or do you have to either sign some NDA or be an employee?
Maybe you are lucky enough to work for an open source shop but unfortunately I am not.
Please do not comment on any silly typing or gramatical errors in this post as I am quite pissed.
Yes, I thought it was him but was not sure enough to post saying so.
Thanks for the confirmation.
I am a software developer. My current contract says I cannot work for another company in the same line of work for 6 months after I leave. This prevents our competitors from poaching me and also prevents me from setting up my own business and taking any of their clients with me.
I believe that when the GNU toolchain was being written one of the authors was worried that his current employer would claim it was derived from what they had been paying him to write so would claim it was their IP. As a result of these fears he quit his job and completed the project while not working. I have just looked and cannot find a link to back this up, so if anyone knows where I might have read this, please post a link here as I would love to read it again in case it inspires me to do the same thing.
Us gentoo users had the option of using his kernel but I have always been happy with the stock gentoo kernel so never saw the need to change.
Errrr, oh shit everyone knows this already. Maybe I should slip back into my coma.
Mind you, maybe I miss out as I am also a sysadmin. So most of the time I code, but when the shit hits the fan I stop what I am doing and fix it. Then I go back to coding. The miracle is that somehow I manage to find the time to make sure the shit hits the fan less often while not missing programming project deadlines.
Over on this side of the ponds mobile phones can be locked out like this when they are reported stolen.
It just mean you take it to one of 8 million market stalls or small shops who will unlock it for a small charge.
Go on, tell me you never forgot do to anything since you were 3 or something.
Why would the US Government care about international law? They refuse to be bound by it.
Various geneva conventions already ban landmines and imprisoning people without trial (Guantanamo Bay) but they are still done in the name of homeland security.
Go on, mod this down but you know it's still true.
You will be banned from exporting it outside the EU?
Nah, it is the illegitimate love child of Henry Rollins and J K Rowling
Nah, You cant drive at 16 in my country. We have to wait until 17.
Actually I believe the aussie government is already well on the case.
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Sorry, I was actually referring to the European Union's Court of Justice. I was under the impression that we in Britain had signed up to make them the supreme court of appeal for Britain and agreed to allow them to overule the House of Lords in all matters of English Law.
I thought I remembered hearing that in a lecture a few years ago.
I call you a moron.
I can show you screenshots of a windows XP PC that is made to look like windows NT. Many people I knew when XP came out installed it but chose to make it look like the interface they were used to. I have an XP installation on my PC that looks like Unix.
Also, if I wanted to see what traffic an OS was sending to and from the internet, I would not use an app running under that OS. I would telnet to my router and run a traffic monitor on that PC. In my case that would be an old version of Liunx I have not upgraded in a year or so. If I used the same PC I was trying to monitor then the OS could hide whatever traffic it liked. Rootkits have been able to hide their traffic from all apps running on the same PC for years.
With this in mind please hurry up and leave already.
I thought we had signed up to make the european court the highest court in the land sometime ago. Since then they have struck down a good many of our laws that they felt were contrary to european laws.
If it was decided in the european court of justice that this breached our rights, then a british judge would have to follow that precedent regardless of the 1974 precedent you quote.
I think the slashdot needs similar policy to the uni of kansas:
One stupid moderation of a valid point gets your moderation privelidges removed forever.
But lets face it, if you were too stupid to make a valid poitn wouldnt you just hide behind the moderation system by using it to disagree with other people too?
Actually Stallman does not believe that we should be able to charge money for producing code but believes we should give it away for free.
I actually agree with him. But unfortunately I am trapped by a system that requires me to have a certain amount of money in order to eat. Your point about shareware is pretty rubbish as RMS opposes closed source software and most shareware is closed source. Most shareware is not copyleft, that would make it freeware. The concept of shareware is that I produce something and if you want to use it you have to pay. That is not copyleft. Copyleft is I produce something and you copy it as much as you like and use it for free.
I suggest you go and throw these various terms into wikipedia before posting any more uninformed comments on slashdot.
I think it is up to the people writing software how they release it, and under what licence. If I as a developer want to keep something closed source, is that not my right?
Do you have a job? If so what do you do? You're deluding yourself if you think an Open Source driver would be worse. I don't. I said in my post that open source produces better code and better software. Did you actually read it? It was found to be a piece of crap by studying such parts of the Source Code as were available. Was it? I would have thought it was noticed because suid has a text based config file or that fact that the 'ps aux' command shows you what each process is running as. Slave: My master is a good master!
I could quit my job, but I would find it very difficult to get another without a reference for the years I have put in. (Explaining a huge gap on your CV is hard in an interview when you get older).
By the way, I loved the link you posted as I am a godless liberal too.
"proprietary" is even more evil than suid!
No it isn't.
I write proprietary code for a living as do plenty of other people here I'm sure. Why should everybody have to release code as open source? Some of us would like to get paid for what we do without having to "add value" by offering support services as well.
In terms of Linux drivers there are several reasons why companies do not create or want open source drivers for their hardware. The most obvious one being that you are trying to keep exactly what the hardware does secret to make it harder for your competition to copy its functionality.
Personally I don't give a shit whether the drivers on my system are open or closed source, I just want them to work and closely match the functionality of the windows drivers.
I have no interest in looking through the code that makes up every driver on my Linux box any more than I would like to do a code audit on every version of Linux kernel before I compile it. Are you going to tell me that you have looked through the code for the various open source apps you use or do you take most of them on trust just like proprietary apps? Certainly for me this is far too much like what I do for a living to do it every night when I get home as well.
I would not want to use this particular driver as it is quite obviously a worthless piece of badly written junk but this does not mean that all proprietrary drivers need to be. Also note that this driver was revealed to be a piece of crap without needing access to the source code.
For a good example of a closed source driver check out the nvidia driver. It works and has never casued me any problems. I know it has had some security holes in it but so have plenty of open source drivers.
I do think that the open source usually produces better quality software if the project is well maintained, but not this model is not suitable for every piece of code produced.