I thoroughly agree. Maybe we should take all the religous leaders of the world and just let them slog it out to the death pitfighting style. That is something I would pay to watch.
PS - Who on earth is wasting mod points on a discussion in a three day old thread, go use them on new stuff instead where you might actually make difference rather than just hammering peoples karma.
PPS - If anyone wants to mod this down please be my guest as:
1) Anyone that daft doesnt deserve to moderate. 2) I have karma to burn.
Not to mention having access to 3000 other innocent people's systems including police and military personal
Hardly innocent people. From TFA he posted his image trojan to various paedophile newsgroups. Sorry, but if you download that sick crap then get hacked you do not get alot of sympathy from me.
Not only that, but he could also view any email correspondence by that judge, which could have included sensitive court material.#
And if it did include confidential material then the judge should have known better. If you work with confidential material you should not store it unencrypted on your home PC, it should stay at work where your IT dept can control and monitor access.
Where I work I am able to connect to the work network via VPN. However I am not allowed to let windows store the password to access the VPN, I have to remember it. This has been put in writing, so technically I could probably be fired for gross misconduct for allowing windows to store that password. I actually agree with this policy and since my password enables access to rather alot (ie - everything, I am a server admin) I can understand it. Confidential info is no different.
The most disturning thing about this after reading some sections of the judges diary (from TFA) is that the judge only got 27 months. I personally would have liked to see a sentance more in the region of 10-15 years, preferably in the same cell as someone he had previously sent down for life without parole:)
I'm not saying that Israel would never attack anybody, just that they wouldn't do it with nukes unless they were facing imminent destruction, or perhaps if they had been nuked themselves
I understood that, I disagree though. I think the Zionists in the Israeli security forces would always want to retaliate one step beyond whatever was done to them. So it is not hard to invisage a situation where they open up with nuclear weapons just because they were attacked with conventional weapons. I don't think that attack would have to threaten the entire state of Israel either.
Every action they have taken since the inception of the country has involved trying to inflict revenge on anyone who wrongs them rather than making peace. This is interesting because it is the same attitude we (I am British) took at the end of the first world war.
We tried to punish the entire of Germany for starting that war with Treaty of Versailles (http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW1/versailles.htm ). This caused severe economic hardship and generally set up Hitlers rise to power as he could blame alot of the problems of industrialisation (some of which all countries were facing, not just Germany) on foriegn governments. This set up the German people to support invading other countries to take back what they had lost in the treaty.
This is why when WW2 ended there was no attempt to punish Germany further. We had by that point levelled a great many of their cities by firebombing, the people has suffered enough. Instead the allies forgave and started to try and rebuild the country. There was a huge amount of US investment in this process (in Japan as well after they caught a couple of Nukes).
This rebuilding was the best course of action to make sure another war on that same scale didn't happen, either against Germany or Japan. The people of all the countries had to forgive or the cycle would continue.
This has to happen in the middle east now, or there will be no peace. But the only time the people of Israel elected a leader who might have allowed this to happen, the Zionists killed him. The reason this is important for America now is that without US support the Israeli state could not survive (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Is rael/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html). So without US assistance they certainly could not spend money on developing nuclear weapons.
If Isreal ever attacks another country with them, the retaliation may also be directed at the US people, probably in the form of the terrorist attack you describe. The only way to avoid this is for both sides to forgive. I am certainly not suggesting that the terrorists are any better. They also need to forgive, and concentrate on more productives. The rest of the Arab world needs to recognise Israels right to exist (Some countries like Egypt already have atrted down this path - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-Egypt_Peace_Tr eaty)
Sorry for this being a long offtopic rant, but hopefully nobody is reading such an old article apart from us:) And sorry for any typos or grammar errors, but I have to do some work.
Every country has a right to try and acquire nuclear weapons (and even more so nuclear power)
Errmmm, no actually.
There is something called the nuclear non-proliferation treaty which the US has signed and is the legal justification for the forthcoming attack on Iran.
Says who? If you go and ask people in Lebannon they might not be so keen to believe it at the moment being that their entire country has just been punished for the actions of a few nutcase terrorists. The US used to fund the IRA but we (UK) never tried to punish all US citizens by a bombing campaign for the actions of a few citizens with too much money.
Actually I think my company just bought another Dell server to put linux on. Personally I would have preferred an HP server but we seem to be going with Dell's as they are slightly cheaper. We currently have four Dell Poweredge servers in a datacentre running Red Hat ES that were bought before I started working here as well.
Dell gave us a few problems with the last server we bought when they kept postponing the delivery date but they did then make it up to us by throwing a free printer our way (Currently sitting on a shelf still in its box but hey, the thought was there).
On another note, what flavour of *nix would slashdotters recommend for LAMP boxes that also need to run some form of ASP? The reason we use Redhat at present is partly due to the support option in case I ever hit a problem I can't fix. Its not happened yet but I have only been here a year. I was thinking Oracle or Solaris but have not done any serious research yet.
I believe that sometimes the needs of society outway the needs of the individual and in those cases I have no issue with society enforcing what is best for the society as a whole.
It is interesting though that we are kicking all this fuss up about Iran and Korea having any sort of nuclear program even though they insist it is for power generation only. Yet Isreal have a well known nuclear weapons program which we have been ignoring for years.
Gentoo is not meant for inexperienced Linux users and the full article definately refers to them as who the current situation is awkward for. If you find using portage awkward, then give up and use ubuntu or fedora as the rest of the distribution can be even more complicated (I find portage the easiest bit to deal with).
The documentation on the web is great but I have never heard anyone recommend gentoo as great distribution for new linux users unless they like the sink or swim approach.
This would never happen in the States. The Govt who suggested such a thing would be out at the next election after the Republicans who own the national media drummed up a hate campaign againgst such a communist trate.
Maybe not, but you definately can't argue that a company that is partly traded on the NYSE is entirely Canadian owned. Not unless Canada invaded New York last night and nobody told me yet.
Everything from Timbits to MapleLeaf is American (US) owned, if only through parent companies. No and no.
Just followed both the links to wikipedia you posted and then followed wikipedia's links at the bottom of each page. this is what I discovered:
Tim Hortons
This is traded on the NYSE and Toronto Stock Exchange (http://www.timhortons.com/en/pdfs/en_media_kit.pd f) so is probably owned mostly by US investment houses as the original poster said. Regardless of who owns the shares though, trading on a foriegn stock exchange (even in conjunction with TSX) doesn't strike me as canadian ownership.
MapleLeaf
This is only traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange and its mostly canadian owned so in this case you are correct. (http://ccbn.mobular.net/ccbn/7/1561/1724/)
Most Linux distributions are configured with rm in interactive mode
Something which is instantly fixable by typing
alias rm='rm -f'
But I actually call bullshit on this, most distributions I have used don't setup any aliases for rm to make it automatically operate in verbose mode where you have to confirm everything.
What bunch of fuckwits modded the above post as flaimbait?
Ok, he uses a bit of harsh language but he has a point. Most people are now getting to the point where they can see through the PR and simply look out the window to notice the effects of global warming.
The main problem is that the rest of the world has known what to do about this for some time - reduce consumption of fossil fuels (Or breath less as some people have suggested, but I cannot be arsed explaining why this is not a viable solution). However when Bush was elected the first thing he did was scrap any attempt at sticking to the Kyoto treaty to benefit the US economy (And his own pocket).
Actually a great many of us are interested in a decent film still thats not just midless entertainment. The problem is that hollywood rarely produce anything except the usual run of the mill tat.
That why most of my favourite films nowadays are either European or made by small non-hollywood directors.
The question is why are hollywood now such cowards with regard to backing anything that might cause a fuss?
Take a film like "La Haine". There is no way hollywood could manage to produce a film about disadvantaged ghetto kids without portraying at least one of them as an evil drug dealer selling crack. Far too much hollywood seems to just pander to middle class american views without ever actually challenging them, yet this is one of the ingredients in most decent films.
Exactly, probably not as the technology is only just starting out, but in a few years when we are all rushing out to buy HD-DVD instead of DVD there will be alot more of these files around.
The truth is that new versions of windows have always obsoleted perfectly useable old PC's through lack of drivers or through requiring hardware that is more than most end users need.
When XP came out I had to give away a perfectly good scanner because windows did not have drivers for it. There was no incentive for the company who make the scanner to produce new drivers as the made more money selling me a replacement scanner.
Another example is Vista requiring 3D accelleration. This will obsolete my current work PC even though it is perfectly suitable for it daily uses (Coding and Database stuff, some MS Office tasks, connecting to servers via SSH). I have no need for any of the functionality of Vista but will have to upgrade as my code is expected to run on Vista.
This situation has not come about by accident, the reason hardware vendors love MS so much is because this upgrade cycle generates huge additional sales everytime a new OS is released.
The point the everyone seems to be missing with regard to stock holders is who actually gets to vote at the companies AGM. A large percentage of company chares in circulation are not owned by people, they are owned by investment companies (banks, etc) who get to block vote all the shares in one go.
For example:
Company A floats on the stock market and it share are purchased by Companies B (15%), C (10%), D(20%), E(6%) and a handful of smaller investors (49% total).
When at their AGM Company A wishes to appoint a new director they have to put it out to vote. But each person gets to vote according to the number of shares in Company A that they own. So if the directors of companies B,C,D and E get together in private and decide who they would rather put in charge, there is nothing all the smaller investors can do as even if they all voted the same way they would still only have 49%.
Now the numbers I quote above are a complete exageration but it usually amounts to the same thing in the real world. Its just that the other comanies would be made up of 10 - 20 investment houses (instead of B C D and E) and they would not initially all agree. So they would trade favours for voting the way another company would prefer in return for the same thing happening in reverse when a vote came up they veiwed as more important to their business. The have the opportunity to do this as they are still only 10 - 20 fundmanagers who probably drink at the same bar / club anyway.
Whereas the smaller investors are spread across a much wider geographical location and are much less likely to have the opportunity to meet. They are also less likely to trade favours the same way fundmanagers can as they probably dont own stock in such a wide range of companies so any favours on offer are less likely to be relevant.
This is usually the way things turn out because most of us do not own shares in a company directly, but our pensions and savings are invested on our behalf. In return for investing our money for us, the investment houses and banks get to use the vote that comes with the shares.
Why are all these people taling about running Debian or gentoo in a production environment?
Surely the best bet is to actually go and pay for any OS you use in a production environment, then if it goes tits up you can always pass the buck if you cant fix it?
My company use Red Hat Enterprise Server but I will probably try and encourage this new Oracle offering as it is cheaper once I have evaluated it. I have never had to use their support services yet, but I like knowing they are there if needed and I can easily justify the cost of that support to my manager if asked (My time is more valuable than they charge).
I would quite happily have gentoo in our server room, I would just not like to be the end of chain support person. Maybe some Linux admins out there like having no backup, but I dont.
Regarding some of your points about flagging packages as stable under gentoo and some as unstable, this already exists. The ~ in ~x86 denotes unstable as well as stable. Here is a link to the relevant section of the gentoo manual: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86 .xml?part=3&chap=3
But this is the biggest problem some people have with gentoo, it asks you to read the manual. Most users hate reading manuals.
However slow death from the inside in this manner could just mean he had really pissed someone off and they wanted to make sure he got a long painfull televised death that the person ordering it could watch and gloat over.
When you fix prices the laws of supply and demand go out the window which I think has a more detrimental impact to our wellfare and progress moving forward.
Don't the laws of supply and demand go out the window when all the relevant companies sit down at a table and agree to fix prices?
I swore I posted this comment to a debate about broardband being overpriced in America, is that actually the case?
In the UK you can now get 24MegaBit Download (Maximum, average is about 10000KBits according to www.speedtest.net) for £25 per month. That is about $13 per month at current exchange rates.
Now I know all you pro-US lot are going to come back about size of countries not being comparable, blah, blah, blah. But I acknowledge that and so so bethere.co.uk internet the company offering this. They only offer this in certain areas of certain cities.
I live in the capital of the UK (London) and it's available here. Someone go and find me a comparable service in Washington DC? Or in New York? Ignore the vast areas of the midwest which you cannot compare for geographical reasons, I agree. But lets try and compare like with like and see how it comes out.
I have a feeling we are better off as otherwise this whole thread wouldn't have been started regarding CPI sueing the FCC.
Look at it this way, if you're going to send an indiscriminate kill-bot into a home to slaughter everything, why not just drop a 5000 lb bomb on the place and be done with it?
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and not by religious leaders
I thoroughly agree. Maybe we should take all the religous leaders of the world and just let them slog it out to the death pitfighting style. That is something I would pay to watch.
PS - Who on earth is wasting mod points on a discussion in a three day old thread, go use them on new stuff instead where you might actually make difference rather than just hammering peoples karma.
PPS - If anyone wants to mod this down please be my guest as:
1) Anyone that daft doesnt deserve to moderate.
2) I have karma to burn.
Not to mention having access to 3000 other innocent people's systems including police and military personal
:)
Hardly innocent people. From TFA he posted his image trojan to various paedophile newsgroups. Sorry, but if you download that sick crap then get hacked you do not get alot of sympathy from me.
Not only that, but he could also view any email correspondence by that judge, which could have included sensitive court material.#
And if it did include confidential material then the judge should have known better. If you work with confidential material you should not store it unencrypted on your home PC, it should stay at work where your IT dept can control and monitor access.
Where I work I am able to connect to the work network via VPN. However I am not allowed to let windows store the password to access the VPN, I have to remember it. This has been put in writing, so technically I could probably be fired for gross misconduct for allowing windows to store that password. I actually agree with this policy and since my password enables access to rather alot (ie - everything, I am a server admin) I can understand it. Confidential info is no different.
The most disturning thing about this after reading some sections of the judges diary (from TFA) is that the judge only got 27 months. I personally would have liked to see a sentance more in the region of 10-15 years, preferably in the same cell as someone he had previously sent down for life without parole
I'm not saying that Israel would never attack anybody, just that they wouldn't do it with nukes unless they were facing imminent destruction, or perhaps if they had been nuked themselves
m ). This caused severe economic hardship and generally set up Hitlers rise to power as he could blame alot of the problems of industrialisation (some of which all countries were facing, not just Germany) on foriegn governments. This set up the German people to support invading other countries to take back what they had lost in the treaty.
s rael/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html). So without US assistance they certainly could not spend money on developing nuclear weapons.
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I understood that, I disagree though. I think the Zionists in the Israeli security forces would always want to retaliate one step beyond whatever was done to them. So it is not hard to invisage a situation where they open up with nuclear weapons just because they were attacked with conventional weapons. I don't think that attack would have to threaten the entire state of Israel either.
Every action they have taken since the inception of the country has involved trying to inflict revenge on anyone who wrongs them rather than making peace. This is interesting because it is the same attitude we (I am British) took at the end of the first world war.
We tried to punish the entire of Germany for starting that war with Treaty of Versailles (http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW1/versailles.ht
This is why when WW2 ended there was no attempt to punish Germany further. We had by that point levelled a great many of their cities by firebombing, the people has suffered enough. Instead the allies forgave and started to try and rebuild the country. There was a huge amount of US investment in this process (in Japan as well after they caught a couple of Nukes).
This rebuilding was the best course of action to make sure another war on that same scale didn't happen, either against Germany or Japan. The people of all the countries had to forgive or the cycle would continue.
This has to happen in the middle east now, or there will be no peace. But the only time the people of Israel elected a leader who might have allowed this to happen, the Zionists killed him. The reason this is important for America now is that without US support the Israeli state could not survive (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-I
If Isreal ever attacks another country with them, the retaliation may also be directed at the US people, probably in the form of the terrorist attack you describe. The only way to avoid this is for both sides to forgive. I am certainly not suggesting that the terrorists are any better. They also need to forgive, and concentrate on more productives. The rest of the Arab world needs to recognise Israels right to exist (Some countries like Egypt already have atrted down this path - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-Egypt_Peace_T
Sorry for this being a long offtopic rant, but hopefully nobody is reading such an old article apart from us
And sorry for any typos or grammar errors, but I have to do some work.
Every country has a right to try and acquire nuclear weapons (and even more so nuclear power)
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Errmmm, no actually.
There is something called the nuclear non-proliferation treaty which the US has signed and is the legal justification for the forthcoming attack on Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Prolifer
Israel would never just randomly nuke Iran.
Says who? If you go and ask people in Lebannon they might not be so keen to believe it at the moment being that their entire country has just been punished for the actions of a few nutcase terrorists. The US used to fund the IRA but we (UK) never tried to punish all US citizens by a bombing campaign for the actions of a few citizens with too much money.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119
If your fit, being a hooker is easier.
Actually I think my company just bought another Dell server to put linux on. Personally I would have preferred an HP server but we seem to be going with Dell's as they are slightly cheaper. We currently have four Dell Poweredge servers in a datacentre running Red Hat ES that were bought before I started working here as well.
Dell gave us a few problems with the last server we bought when they kept postponing the delivery date but they did then make it up to us by throwing a free printer our way (Currently sitting on a shelf still in its box but hey, the thought was there).
On another note, what flavour of *nix would slashdotters recommend for LAMP boxes that also need to run some form of ASP? The reason we use Redhat at present is partly due to the support option in case I ever hit a problem I can't fix. Its not happened yet but I have only been here a year. I was thinking Oracle or Solaris but have not done any serious research yet.
You never understood Monty Python? You poor thing.
I believe that sometimes the needs of society outway the needs of the individual and in those cases I have no issue with society enforcing what is best for the society as a whole.
It is interesting though that we are kicking all this fuss up about Iran and Korea having any sort of nuclear program even though they insist it is for power generation only. Yet Isreal have a well known nuclear weapons program which we have been ignoring for years.
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http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/corresponde
Gentoo is not meant for inexperienced Linux users and the full article definately refers to them as who the current situation is awkward for. If you find using portage awkward, then give up and use ubuntu or fedora as the rest of the distribution can be even more complicated (I find portage the easiest bit to deal with).
The documentation on the web is great but I have never heard anyone recommend gentoo as great distribution for new linux users unless they like the sink or swim approach.
Been drinking? There are more typos in your post than I was putting in the emails I was sending at 5:25.
This would never happen in the States. The Govt who suggested such a thing would be out at the next election after the Republicans who own the national media drummed up a hate campaign againgst such a communist trate.
Maybe not, but you definately can't argue that a company that is partly traded on the NYSE is entirely Canadian owned. Not unless Canada invaded New York last night and nobody told me yet.
Everything from Timbits to MapleLeaf is American (US) owned, if only through parent companies.
No and no.
Just followed both the links to wikipedia you posted and then followed wikipedia's links at the bottom of each page. this is what I discovered:
Tim Hortons
This is traded on the NYSE and Toronto Stock Exchange (http://www.timhortons.com/en/pdfs/en_media_kit.p
MapleLeaf
This is only traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange and its mostly canadian owned so in this case you are correct.
(http://ccbn.mobular.net/ccbn/7/1561/1724/)
Wow, thanks for the tip. I'll set that one up right away.
Most Linux distributions are configured with rm in interactive mode
Something which is instantly fixable by typing
alias rm='rm -f'
But I actually call bullshit on this, most distributions I have used don't setup any aliases for rm to make it automatically operate in verbose mode where you have to confirm everything.
There is no such word as "alot," and if there is, there shouldn't be. It's "a lot." Two words, not one
Go look up the word "elided", then get back to us on that one.
What bunch of fuckwits modded the above post as flaimbait?
Ok, he uses a bit of harsh language but he has a point. Most people are now getting to the point where they can see through the PR and simply look out the window to notice the effects of global warming.
The main problem is that the rest of the world has known what to do about this for some time - reduce consumption of fossil fuels (Or breath less as some people have suggested, but I cannot be arsed explaining why this is not a viable solution). However when Bush was elected the first thing he did was scrap any attempt at sticking to the Kyoto treaty to benefit the US economy (And his own pocket).
Actually a great many of us are interested in a decent film still thats not just midless entertainment. The problem is that hollywood rarely produce anything except the usual run of the mill tat.
That why most of my favourite films nowadays are either European or made by small non-hollywood directors.
The question is why are hollywood now such cowards with regard to backing anything that might cause a fuss?
Take a film like "La Haine". There is no way hollywood could manage to produce a film about disadvantaged ghetto kids without portraying at least one of them as an evil drug dealer selling crack. Far too much hollywood seems to just pander to middle class american views without ever actually challenging them, yet this is one of the ingredients in most decent films.
Do you have an HDCP protected files?
Exactly, probably not as the technology is only just starting out, but in a few years when we are all rushing out to buy HD-DVD instead of DVD there will be alot more of these files around.
The truth is that new versions of windows have always obsoleted perfectly useable old PC's through lack of drivers or through requiring hardware that is more than most end users need.
When XP came out I had to give away a perfectly good scanner because windows did not have drivers for it. There was no incentive for the company who make the scanner to produce new drivers as the made more money selling me a replacement scanner.
Another example is Vista requiring 3D accelleration. This will obsolete my current work PC even though it is perfectly suitable for it daily uses (Coding and Database stuff, some MS Office tasks, connecting to servers via SSH). I have no need for any of the functionality of Vista but will have to upgrade as my code is expected to run on Vista.
This situation has not come about by accident, the reason hardware vendors love MS so much is because this upgrade cycle generates huge additional sales everytime a new OS is released.
The point the everyone seems to be missing with regard to stock holders is who actually gets to vote at the companies AGM. A large percentage of company chares in circulation are not owned by people, they are owned by investment companies (banks, etc) who get to block vote all the shares in one go.
For example:
Company A floats on the stock market and it share are purchased by Companies B (15%), C (10%), D(20%), E(6%) and a handful of smaller investors (49% total).
When at their AGM Company A wishes to appoint a new director they have to put it out to vote. But each person gets to vote according to the number of shares in Company A that they own. So if the directors of companies B,C,D and E get together in private and decide who they would rather put in charge, there is nothing all the smaller investors can do as even if they all voted the same way they would still only have 49%.
Now the numbers I quote above are a complete exageration but it usually amounts to the same thing in the real world. Its just that the other comanies would be made up of 10 - 20 investment houses (instead of B C D and E) and they would not initially all agree. So they would trade favours for voting the way another company would prefer in return for the same thing happening in reverse when a vote came up they veiwed as more important to their business. The have the opportunity to do this as they are still only 10 - 20 fundmanagers who probably drink at the same bar / club anyway.
Whereas the smaller investors are spread across a much wider geographical location and are much less likely to have the opportunity to meet. They are also less likely to trade favours the same way fundmanagers can as they probably dont own stock in such a wide range of companies so any favours on offer are less likely to be relevant.
This is usually the way things turn out because most of us do not own shares in a company directly, but our pensions and savings are invested on our behalf. In return for investing our money for us, the investment houses and banks get to use the vote that comes with the shares.
Why are all these people taling about running Debian or gentoo in a production environment?
6 .xml?part=3&chap=3
Surely the best bet is to actually go and pay for any OS you use in a production environment, then if it goes tits up you can always pass the buck if you cant fix it?
My company use Red Hat Enterprise Server but I will probably try and encourage this new Oracle offering as it is cheaper once I have evaluated it. I have never had to use their support services yet, but I like knowing they are there if needed and I can easily justify the cost of that support to my manager if asked (My time is more valuable than they charge).
I would quite happily have gentoo in our server room, I would just not like to be the end of chain support person. Maybe some Linux admins out there like having no backup, but I dont.
Regarding some of your points about flagging packages as stable under gentoo and some as unstable, this already exists. The ~ in ~x86 denotes unstable as well as stable. Here is a link to the relevant section of the gentoo manual:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x8
But this is the biggest problem some people have with gentoo, it asks you to read the manual. Most users hate reading manuals.
However slow death from the inside in this manner could just mean he had really pissed someone off and they wanted to make sure he got a long painfull televised death that the person ordering it could watch and gloat over.
When you fix prices the laws of supply and demand go out the window which I think has a more detrimental impact to our wellfare and progress moving forward.
Don't the laws of supply and demand go out the window when all the relevant companies sit down at a table and agree to fix prices?
I swore I posted this comment to a debate about broardband being overpriced in America, is that actually the case?
In the UK you can now get 24MegaBit Download (Maximum, average is about 10000KBits according to www.speedtest.net) for £25 per month. That is about $13 per month at current exchange rates.
Now I know all you pro-US lot are going to come back about size of countries not being comparable, blah, blah, blah.
But I acknowledge that and so so bethere.co.uk internet the company offering this. They only offer this in certain areas of certain cities.
I live in the capital of the UK (London) and it's available here. Someone go and find me a comparable service in Washington DC? Or in New York? Ignore the vast areas of the midwest which you cannot compare for geographical reasons, I agree. But lets try and compare like with like and see how it comes out.
I have a feeling we are better off as otherwise this whole thread wouldn't have been started regarding CPI sueing the FCC.
Look at it this way, if you're going to send an indiscriminate kill-bot into a home to slaughter everything, why not just drop a 5000 lb bomb on the place and be done with it?
Maybe it's a nice building?