In the real universe, the phone service rep is a minimum-wage worker in a foreign country, whose top priority is keeping down their time-per-call-resolution metric.
I agree with you mostly but there is no need to assume the phone service dude for is in a foreign country to be this stupid. I know a few people who would do this just because they are too stupid to see the problem with what they are doing, that is why the are likely to spend their entire working lives on IT support desks without ever moving upward.
Everytime I see something like this it just makes me sad. I knew a couple of people who worked for Sun. It was always a pleasure to deal with them and they seemed, HAPPY. More and more it seems like everyone everywhere has something to grump about. Attack others, don't focus on your own products, win by any means, not by just being the best.. Kind of getting sick of it.
The problem is those lovely people at Sun were too busy being all nice to make enough cash to cover their own wages.
Nice companies go under, companies who do anything legal they can in order to make money survive and then buy up the companies that failed at a liquidation firesale. This is a feature of the capitalist system we live in where making money is the primary consideration over what you produce being of value to society as a whole.
Since this is how the system works though I don't see any reason to blame one company over another for being better at this game of dog eat dog when it is the system that encourages it that is really at fault.
Noscript makes this site unusable, unless I also enable a random looking cloudfront server scripts as well. Yeah, I did that to peek and no I refuse to enable google-analytics. Not as bad as slashdot with scripts, but still.
Lol, Sooner or later you guys who obsess about disabling scripts are going to realise the part of the web you are still able to use has shrunk to the size of compuserve.
Javascript and AJAX drive the modern web and I really don't see that changing any time soon so if you want to post here every time there is an announcement about some great new thing that you guys can't use because you choose to run NoScript then you might want to get a stock post done so you can just copy and paste it:)
Why they are there? They don't even know THAT they are there!
If your web dev looks at you blankly and asks "Verb? What verb?", you know that you have a long way to go.
As I a web developer of the past decade or so, I can honestly tell you I have had to dive into the meaning of HTTP verbs exactly once in all that time to do stuff with HTTP PUT.
The reality is that you can actually be a dam successful web developer without having a clue what an HTTP Verb is even though you use them every time you create form that posts its variables instead of putting them on the querystring. Does it make you a better web developer knowing a bit more about HTTP Verbs? Absolutely, it does but you can use them on a daily basis without knowing how putting Method="POST" on a form is translated into the underlying HTTP protocol since most web technologies abstract this stuff away from you.
The time when understanding a bit more about HTTP protocols really comes into play is when you need to start creating or utilizing API's.
This release includes nftables (the successor of iptables)
Why does every network management tool include their own ugly, broken little programming language for configuring it?
Why not just use an existing language?
Like, when I get a packet from the network, I can just use Python: if packet.origin == "127.0.0.1":
packet.drop() elif packet.port == 80:
packet.forward(port = 1024)
etcetera.
The only way this could work and maintain the performance needed would be if you could write a parser that took your python code (that needed some sort of python parser to run) and converted it into a set of native nftables rules or bytecode that was efficient enough to be run at the kernel level as everyone else has described. This might actually be worth someone doing though.
I haven't played around with nftables yet but I am very familiar with ip tables (and chains) so I will just take a set of iptables rules I am familiar with and throw them through the compatibility layer to see what I end up with so your python idea is not really any use to me learning my way around nftables. It might be more useful to people just trying to get their head around kernel routing initially though so maybe it is a project worth someone starting.
If Google isn't careful, they will loose this race.
Lol, not likely.
OSM is currently down (I guess due to some people actually trying to use it for a change). Most normal people don't care about open, they care about something that works reliably.
The John Lewis Partnership, the most upmarket of any widespread retailer (Waitrose and John Lewis brands) in the UK is employee owned. Their wages are good, they are profitable (with a strongly positive trend) and typically pay out two months salary as a yearly staff bonus.
Yes, because people like myself like shopping there as the staff are generally happy and hence far more polite than the people working in the tesco down the road where they barely speak english and simply can't be arsed.
Processing food does not make it cheap or cheaper. It always adds cost.
False. In many cases, processing is used to increase shelf life. Less processed foods often spoil or deteriorate faster. Consumers thus often pay a significant premium for fresh foods, "whole" foods (which often contain spoilage elements removed in processing), and unprocessed foods in general -- since it costs more for stores to keep unprocessed foods in stock (waste due to spoilage) and often more to transport them.
Also, most of the time processing is used to enable the same product to be produced using a cheaper alternative to the natural ingredient. The most common example of this is aspartame, I hate the taste of it so always notice when drinks include it but if you notice most cheap sodas now use that instead of sugar (here in Europe they do anyway).
I fully acknowledge that services have to be end-of-lifed on occasion, but compare Google's typically "this is being shut down next month" notice with Microsoft's "that bit of software will stop getting security updates in a decade".
That is a completely unfair and unrealistic comparison for the following reason as the MS offerings have usually been bought. Google ostensibly offer you the user stuff you can use for free. If Google were more like MS then the products in question they discontinue would simply never exist in the first place.
I'd say that shutting down isn't the only issue - services having wholesale changes made to them on Google's whim is also a problem (and this is a problem with all "cloud" service providers really). Take, for example, the recent Google Maps overhaul - there was no notice, suddenly the whole of Google Maps changed.
To be fair we were warned a new version was in the works in given the option to use it while it was still in beta. But your right to point out this is a a problem with all online offerings. All you can do is warn people an old system is changing but this will always piss some people off even if it is a change for the better. Sometimes you can run two systems side by side for a while and allow them choose but often this can cause more problems and also double the costs.
Worse - on some of my hardware Google Maps thinks it can run the new version even though it's unusably slow: every time I go to google maps on that hardware I have to wait about 2 minutes for the page to finish rendering before I can (slowly) navigate through the menus to switch back to "classic mode", whcih it doesn't remember the next time I go to Google Maps.
Old hardware? Was it built this century? I was using Google maps on 8 year old WindowsXP machine until just before Christmas and providing I was using Chrome it was fine. It sucked under IE8 but we all know what the problem was there, IE8 JS performance was always terrible.
If I were relying on it for business use, that would be a complete disaster - we've gone from a good reliable service to a service that is often almost unusable overnight with no notice. It's also something that wouldn't happen with an in-house system - for inhouse stuff it would get tested to ensure it's ok first, and at the worst case if it isn't ok it would get rolled back until the problems could be resolved.
Are you talking about the business use version of maps or the free version? I am only a free user but I would be surprised if the people paying for the business use version of maps got the same treatment you describe. If someone is basing a business on the free version though I don't really have a lot of sympathy.
My last company decided to Googleize just as I was leaving. The VeeP who set it in motion had a list of services he wanted. Thing is, we already provided nearly everything he wanted and none of the things he wanted were unique to Google's offerings. Even back then, there was a pretty significant list of services that Google had shut down and it was clear that it would be risky to heavily integrate anything beyond docs and email into our business practices. I have no idea how it turned out because my last day was in the middle of the transition.
Generally though, most companies struggle to compete with the reliability of Google offerings.
Also, they only seem to shut down side projects that I only hear about when they announce shutting them down. Call me when they shut down maps, gmail, search or android.
Attached the password for it, along with other important instructions (like a local password for the computer with the database), with my will. I also added a list of important contacts and bank accounts my family might not know about
You conviniently left out the fact that USSR had officially pledged "no first use" of nuclear weaponry, while NATO in fact still insists on a preemptive first strike option.
Russia simply had less need to use nuclear weapons in a first strike capability as for most of the cold war they had huge tank armadas that could roll over most of Europe. Faced with this the US pretty quickly decided that they should counter any conventional invasion of Europe by tanks with a nuclear strike on Moscow. This was pretty much their only option if they wanted a serious deterrent as they had no where near enough tanks in Europe to hope to stand up to the red army after the second world war.
Any arrest gets you a criminal record (as does a caution, Section 27 dispersal notice, etc.)....
No, it does not. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
You only get a criminal record in the UK if you are found guilty of a criminal offence in court or if you accept (ie - admit guilt) a police caution. A simple arrest where you are released without charge or where you are given something like a dispersal notice or even where you are arrested, charged, but the charges are dropped before you go to court does not entail any sort of criminal record at all. Arrests such as these do not cause you to fail a CRB check.
If you are arrested as part of something political then special branch might keep a record of this, but they probably keep a record of everyone who even attends any sort of political gathering anyway and they keep their records pretty private now, since they made such a balls up with the building workers blacklist a few years back.
Binder is "weird", Kroah-Hartman said. It came from BeOS and its developers were from academia. It was developed and used on systems without the System V IPC APIs available and, via Palm and Danger, came to Android. It is "kind of like D-Bus", and some (including him) would argue that Android should have used D-Bus, but it didn't. It has a large user-space library that must be used to perform IPC with binder.
Binder has a number of serious security issues when used outside of an Android environment, he said, so he stressed that it should never be used by other Linux-based systems.
Charges should have been dropped. A pardon implies that he was actually guilty of something worthy of criminalization.
At the time what he did was a crime and recognised as such by the society he lived in (the prudish British public). Being that by being a practicing homosexual he was actually breaking the law the best we can do 70 odd years after the fact is a pardon.
If you declare copyright theft legal tomorrow someone who downloaded a blag copy of a movie today would still technically be guilty of a crime even though they would never be prosecuted for it.
This just in: The homeless and unemployed mobbed a bus full of people perceived to be rich, perhaps unaware of the 60-80 hour work weeks endured by software engineers, that once you take that into consideration, many in the industry make at, or less, than minimum wage.
After having been a inner city dweller who did odd jobs and worked manual labour, scraping by for ten years before eventually braking into this software development geek I can state that I much prefer the job I do now and earn far more doing it than I ever did before. You generally only have to put up with perhaps 6 months to a year of crap after you break into working in IT. Certainly once you get 2 years solid commercial experience under your belt and a decent reference or two on your linkedin profile covering those 2 years you are never going to have to worry about learning less than minimum wage unless you make a real mess of something.
After getting 2 years experience working for the companies mentioned in this article you are going to be in a far stronger position in the workplace than me with my 10 years now in IT working for small businesses. That means you are certainly on far more than minimum wage or can be if you put your mind to it.
You can be damn sure that most of the people on those buses are in a much better position in the world than the people outside them.
Sure the CEO is in a far better position but do not even try and kid yourself that some young developer or IT geek is in anywhere near the same shit position as someone trying to scrape out a living working in McDonalds or trying to make a living as an artist.
Oh, and anyone working 60-80 hours a week as a software developer chooses to simple as that. I have never been coerced into working such long hours as a regular thing although there has been the odd situation where I have done 20 - 30 hours straight when we had a major IT failure (most recently some moron accidentally unprovisioned a SAN and everything had to be rebuilt from backups, i also got all the time back as extra leave)
Yep and in fact despite what I said earlier, this could be worse. If google pre-fetch every image for instance, then this could have some horrid consequences. Such as confirming e-mail addresses.
Jason
You all seem to assume you are the first people to realise this, ten to one says some Google engineer also realised this and so is just going to get the software to do a hit on the sending or linked server for every image, even if the email address it was sent to does not exist. Then, they can use the content of that image as an additional way to help identify unsolicited email.
No he did not call the claims nonsense, what he said was that the kernel did not do this anyway so before starting a stupid petition not to do something you should actually check what the kernel does.
It sounds like all FreeBSD are doing is copying the approach that Linux already used in that they are using the random values thrown out by the chip as a source of entropy to combine with several other sources of entropy in generating a true random number. I am surprised that FreeBSD did not do this already to be honest, although other posters her seem to think it was.
I thought the US was supposed to be a christian country and slashdot was supposed to be am mostly american site (I say mostly because I am actually british)?
> I thought the US was supposed to be a christian country and slashdot was supposed to be am mostly american site (I say mostly because I am actually british)? Yes, but/. is also a site where most people refuse to RTFA (hell, the term was INVENTED here!) and generally misquote everything, so the few/.-ers who have *ACTUALLY* read the Bible still probably misquote it.
I thought the US was supposed to be a christian country
Um, no. That would be Britain. The U.S. is supposed to be secular country populated many people who claim to be christians.
Touché.
I am curious, are you actually an american? Most people from the US I know would not know this since it involves knowing something about a country outside your own borders.
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In the real universe, the phone service rep is a minimum-wage worker in a foreign country, whose top priority is keeping down their time-per-call-resolution metric.
I agree with you mostly but there is no need to assume the phone service dude for is in a foreign country to be this stupid. I know a few people who would do this just because they are too stupid to see the problem with what they are doing, that is why the are likely to spend their entire working lives on IT support desks without ever moving upward.
Everytime I see something like this it just makes me sad. I knew a couple of people who worked for Sun. It was always a pleasure to deal with them and they seemed, HAPPY. More and more it seems like everyone everywhere has something to grump about. Attack others, don't focus on your own products, win by any means, not by just being the best.. Kind of getting sick of it.
The problem is those lovely people at Sun were too busy being all nice to make enough cash to cover their own wages.
Nice companies go under, companies who do anything legal they can in order to make money survive and then buy up the companies that failed at a liquidation firesale. This is a feature of the capitalist system we live in where making money is the primary consideration over what you produce being of value to society as a whole.
Since this is how the system works though I don't see any reason to blame one company over another for being better at this game of dog eat dog when it is the system that encourages it that is really at fault.
I didn't see or hear an auto-playing ad. But then I use the Flashblock extension for Firefox, so advertisers have to keep it static to reach me.
Whereas I actually contribute to slashdot's running costs by subscribing so I get to turn off ads across the board :)
Noscript makes this site unusable, unless I also enable a random looking cloudfront server scripts as well. Yeah, I did that to peek and no I refuse to enable google-analytics. Not as bad as slashdot with scripts, but still.
Lol, Sooner or later you guys who obsess about disabling scripts are going to realise the part of the web you are still able to use has shrunk to the size of compuserve.
Javascript and AJAX drive the modern web and I really don't see that changing any time soon so if you want to post here every time there is an announcement about some great new thing that you guys can't use because you choose to run NoScript then you might want to get a stock post done so you can just copy and paste it :)
Why they are there? They don't even know THAT they are there!
If your web dev looks at you blankly and asks "Verb? What verb?", you know that you have a long way to go.
As I a web developer of the past decade or so, I can honestly tell you I have had to dive into the meaning of HTTP verbs exactly once in all that time to do stuff with HTTP PUT.
The reality is that you can actually be a dam successful web developer without having a clue what an HTTP Verb is even though you use them every time you create form that posts its variables instead of putting them on the querystring. Does it make you a better web developer knowing a bit more about HTTP Verbs? Absolutely, it does but you can use them on a daily basis without knowing how putting Method="POST" on a form is translated into the underlying HTTP protocol since most web technologies abstract this stuff away from you.
The time when understanding a bit more about HTTP protocols really comes into play is when you need to start creating or utilizing API's.
This release includes nftables (the successor of iptables)
Why does every network management tool include their own ugly, broken little programming language for configuring it?
Why not just use an existing language?
Like, when I get a packet from the network, I can just use Python:
if packet.origin == "127.0.0.1":
packet.drop()
elif packet.port == 80:
packet.forward(port = 1024)
etcetera.
The only way this could work and maintain the performance needed would be if you could write a parser that took your python code (that needed some sort of python parser to run) and converted it into a set of native nftables rules or bytecode that was efficient enough to be run at the kernel level as everyone else has described. This might actually be worth someone doing though.
I haven't played around with nftables yet but I am very familiar with ip tables (and chains) so I will just take a set of iptables rules I am familiar with and throw them through the compatibility layer to see what I end up with so your python idea is not really any use to me learning my way around nftables. It might be more useful to people just trying to get their head around kernel routing initially though so maybe it is a project worth someone starting.
If Google isn't careful, they will loose this race.
Lol, not likely.
OSM is currently down (I guess due to some people actually trying to use it for a change). Most normal people don't care about open, they care about something that works reliably.
The John Lewis Partnership, the most upmarket of any widespread retailer (Waitrose and John Lewis brands) in the UK is employee owned. Their wages are good, they are profitable (with a strongly positive trend) and typically pay out two months salary as a yearly staff bonus.
Yes, because people like myself like shopping there as the staff are generally happy and hence far more polite than the people working in the tesco down the road where they barely speak english and simply can't be arsed.
Processing food does not make it cheap or cheaper. It always adds cost.
False. In many cases, processing is used to increase shelf life. Less processed foods often spoil or deteriorate faster. Consumers thus often pay a significant premium for fresh foods, "whole" foods (which often contain spoilage elements removed in processing), and unprocessed foods in general -- since it costs more for stores to keep unprocessed foods in stock (waste due to spoilage) and often more to transport them.
Also, most of the time processing is used to enable the same product to be produced using a cheaper alternative to the natural ingredient. The most common example of this is aspartame, I hate the taste of it so always notice when drinks include it but if you notice most cheap sodas now use that instead of sugar (here in Europe they do anyway).
I fully acknowledge that services have to be end-of-lifed on occasion, but compare Google's typically "this is being shut down next month" notice with Microsoft's "that bit of software will stop getting security updates in a decade".
That is a completely unfair and unrealistic comparison for the following reason as the MS offerings have usually been bought. Google ostensibly offer you the user stuff you can use for free. If Google were more like MS then the products in question they discontinue would simply never exist in the first place.
I'd say that shutting down isn't the only issue - services having wholesale changes made to them on Google's whim is also a problem (and this is a problem with all "cloud" service providers really). Take, for example, the recent Google Maps overhaul - there was no notice, suddenly the whole of Google Maps changed.
To be fair we were warned a new version was in the works in given the option to use it while it was still in beta. But your right to point out this is a a problem with all online offerings. All you can do is warn people an old system is changing but this will always piss some people off even if it is a change for the better. Sometimes you can run two systems side by side for a while and allow them choose but often this can cause more problems and also double the costs.
Worse - on some of my hardware Google Maps thinks it can run the new version even though it's unusably slow: every time I go to google maps on that hardware I have to wait about 2 minutes for the page to finish rendering before I can (slowly) navigate through the menus to switch back to "classic mode", whcih it doesn't remember the next time I go to Google Maps.
Old hardware? Was it built this century? I was using Google maps on 8 year old WindowsXP machine until just before Christmas and providing I was using Chrome it was fine. It sucked under IE8 but we all know what the problem was there, IE8 JS performance was always terrible.
If I were relying on it for business use, that would be a complete disaster - we've gone from a good reliable service to a service that is often almost unusable overnight with no notice. It's also something that wouldn't happen with an in-house system - for inhouse stuff it would get tested to ensure it's ok first, and at the worst case if it isn't ok it would get rolled back until the problems could be resolved.
Are you talking about the business use version of maps or the free version? I am only a free user but I would be surprised if the people paying for the business use version of maps got the same treatment you describe. If someone is basing a business on the free version though I don't really have a lot of sympathy.
Raises hand.
My last company decided to Googleize just as I was leaving. The VeeP who set it in motion had a list of services he wanted. Thing is, we already provided nearly everything he wanted and none of the things he wanted were unique to Google's offerings. Even back then, there was a pretty significant list of services that Google had shut down and it was clear that it would be risky to heavily integrate anything beyond docs and email into our business practices. I have no idea how it turned out because my last day was in the middle of the transition.
Generally though, most companies struggle to compete with the reliability of Google offerings.
Also, they only seem to shut down side projects that I only hear about when they announce shutting them down. Call me when they shut down maps, gmail, search or android.
Attached the password for it, along with other important instructions (like a local password for the computer with the database), with my will. I also added a list of important contacts and bank accounts my family might not know about
I do hope the IRS know about them :)
Ah, spreading your bullshit again.
You conviniently left out the fact that USSR had officially pledged "no first use" of nuclear weaponry, while NATO in fact still insists on a preemptive first strike option.
Russia simply had less need to use nuclear weapons in a first strike capability as for most of the cold war they had huge tank armadas that could roll over most of Europe. Faced with this the US pretty quickly decided that they should counter any conventional invasion of Europe by tanks with a nuclear strike on Moscow. This was pretty much their only option if they wanted a serious deterrent as they had no where near enough tanks in Europe to hope to stand up to the red army after the second world war.
The US also had the problem that for the first few years of the cold war the US tanks were crap compared to the Russian T-34: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_of_the_U.S._in_the_Cold_War
Any arrest gets you a criminal record (as does a caution, Section 27 dispersal notice, etc.) ....
No, it does not. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
You only get a criminal record in the UK if you are found guilty of a criminal offence in court or if you accept (ie - admit guilt) a police caution. A simple arrest where you are released without charge or where you are given something like a dispersal notice or even where you are arrested, charged, but the charges are dropped before you go to court does not entail any sort of criminal record at all. Arrests such as these do not cause you to fail a CRB check.
If you are arrested as part of something political then special branch might keep a record of this, but they probably keep a record of everyone who even attends any sort of political gathering anyway and they keep their records pretty private now, since they made such a balls up with the building workers blacklist a few years back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_record#United_Kingdom
Binder is "weird", Kroah-Hartman said. It came from BeOS and its developers were from academia. It was developed and used on systems without the System V IPC APIs available and, via Palm and Danger, came to Android. It is "kind of like D-Bus", and some (including him) would argue that Android should have used D-Bus, but it didn't. It has a large user-space library that must be used to perform IPC with binder.
Binder has a number of serious security issues when used outside of an Android environment, he said, so he stressed that it should never be used by other Linux-based systems.
http://lwn.net/Articles/551969/
What does he know anyway. If he knew more about kernel development he would be more offensive like Linus :)
We Australians exported all of the people like this to New Zealand. It raised the average IQ in both countries.
Actually, I think you will find us Brits exported the people like this to you in Oz first :)
Still, 90 years is an awfully long time... these copyrights should have reasonably expired several decades ago.
You may be right, but you can be damn sure if Conan Doyle had been American then the court would have come to a different judgement.
Try crossing into the US with only your Canadian pardon. you won't be able to.
That is because the US wants to weed out trouble makers at the border.
Charges should have been dropped. A pardon implies that he was actually guilty of something worthy of criminalization .
At the time what he did was a crime and recognised as such by the society he lived in (the prudish British public). Being that by being a practicing homosexual he was actually breaking the law the best we can do 70 odd years after the fact is a pardon.
If you declare copyright theft legal tomorrow someone who downloaded a blag copy of a movie today would still technically be guilty of a crime even though they would never be prosecuted for it.
This just in: The homeless and unemployed mobbed a bus full of people perceived to be rich, perhaps unaware of the 60-80 hour work weeks endured by software engineers, that once you take that into consideration, many in the industry make at, or less, than minimum wage.
After having been a inner city dweller who did odd jobs and worked manual labour, scraping by for ten years before eventually braking into this software development geek I can state that I much prefer the job I do now and earn far more doing it than I ever did before. You generally only have to put up with perhaps 6 months to a year of crap after you break into working in IT. Certainly once you get 2 years solid commercial experience under your belt and a decent reference or two on your linkedin profile covering those 2 years you are never going to have to worry about learning less than minimum wage unless you make a real mess of something.
After getting 2 years experience working for the companies mentioned in this article you are going to be in a far stronger position in the workplace than me with my 10 years now in IT working for small businesses. That means you are certainly on far more than minimum wage or can be if you put your mind to it.
You can be damn sure that most of the people on those buses are in a much better position in the world than the people outside them.
Sure the CEO is in a far better position but do not even try and kid yourself that some young developer or IT geek is in anywhere near the same shit position as someone trying to scrape out a living working in McDonalds or trying to make a living as an artist.
Oh, and anyone working 60-80 hours a week as a software developer chooses to simple as that. I have never been coerced into working such long hours as a regular thing although there has been the odd situation where I have done 20 - 30 hours straight when we had a major IT failure (most recently some moron accidentally unprovisioned a SAN and everything had to be rebuilt from backups, i also got all the time back as extra leave)
Yep and in fact despite what I said earlier, this could be worse. If google pre-fetch every image for instance, then this could have some horrid consequences. Such as confirming e-mail addresses.
Jason
You all seem to assume you are the first people to realise this, ten to one says some Google engineer also realised this and so is just going to get the software to do a hit on the sending or linked server for every image, even if the email address it was sent to does not exist. Then, they can use the content of that image as an additional way to help identify unsolicited email.
Ah, but Linus has called such claims nonsense.
FreeBSD for me, thanks.
No he did not call the claims nonsense, what he said was that the kernel did not do this anyway so before starting a stupid petition not to do something you should actually check what the kernel does.
It sounds like all FreeBSD are doing is copying the approach that Linux already used in that they are using the random values thrown out by the chip as a source of entropy to combine with several other sources of entropy in generating a true random number. I am surprised that FreeBSD did not do this already to be honest, although other posters her seem to think it was.
I thought the US was supposed to be a christian country and slashdot was supposed to be am mostly american site (I say mostly because I am actually british)?
Nice troll.
Thanks :)
> I thought the US was supposed to be a christian country and slashdot was supposed to be am mostly american site (I say mostly because I am actually british)? /. is also a site where most people refuse to RTFA (hell, the term was INVENTED here!) and generally misquote everything, so the few /.-ers who have *ACTUALLY* read the Bible still probably misquote it.
Yes, but
Did you read my sig? :)
I thought the US was supposed to be a christian country
Um, no. That would be Britain. The U.S. is supposed to be secular country populated many people who claim to be christians.
Touché.
I am curious, are you actually an american? Most people from the US I know would not know this since it involves knowing something about a country outside your own borders.