I don't care if the good kids are rich/poor/white/black/asian. I don't care if the bad kids are rich/poor/white/black/asian. If they, or the stupid lazy teachers(including you apparently) are imparing the good students get rid of them. A heirarchal system is the natural order, cream rises, and the good will rise regardless of the barriers, why are you so opposed to removing the barriers?
Vouchers remove the bad students and bad parents from the pool with the good parents and good students allowiing the good parents and students to operate maximally and the bad students and parents who believe that a music or sports "career" is the way to go and math, science and english aren't.
Just like executing one innocent person is a failure of the justice system so graduating one person who can't read write or add is a Failure of the education system. Better to fail a person who knows the material or let a murderer walk free.
Many large cities have FREE prep schools. Boston, Providence, New York are the ones I am directly aware of. Others exist. Good schools are the result of good parents and good teachers collaberating, Bad schools are the result of poor parents and poor teachers churning students. I was fortunate to encounter more good teachers and schools than poor. But I was most fortunate to have good parents who taught me the value of learning and education before school began. And allowed me to make mistakes including failure... and to grow from the accountability.
If my 4 year old(when I have one) ties his own shoes and has them on the right feet, yes, that is praiseworthy. should a 4th grader be praised for the same thing... of course not.
You know, 50 years ago the teachers could and did smack the kid upside his head when he acted like that. Seemed to work then, perhaps we should bring back the wopmusidahead program and see if that helps.
Why does 12x12=144, and what bearing does that have on a 7 year old? Because thats how old I was when I learned that. personally I don't think the rote memorization should go past 10x10, because that's all that's needed to progress to 555x555. But thats just MHO.
How are school vouchers related to opposition to universal education, sounds like a stepping stone towards universal education. Allowing parents to send their children away from the FAILED "educators" monopoly seems to be a positive step towards universal education rather than allowing them to remain in schools that are STILL graduating student who can't read write or add, BUT have really good self esteem and a Diploma.
which society do you refer to? IN the US it is a CHOICE for both parents to work, not a mandate. Are there sacrifices to be made, well obviously, but are they worth it? Well of course.
Hundreds of thousands of "single" parents do it every day. Millions more make the choices to sacrifice and live in a smaller house, or drive a cheaper car, or eat store brand products and manage quite handily. Children with one parent staying home aren't generally deprived of much other than a TV in every room, or chocolate frosted cocoa crispies. Instead they get attention from their parent(s), store brand toastie o's and the oportunity to buy books for $.25 at goodwill instead of $25 at Border's.
What is your point? I repeated 3 grades(due to lazyness not inability) and another of my brothers failed one. I don't usually bring it up in casual conversation, but when it comes up, it is always met with incredulity. Grades are important, but so is learning and education. Are you a life learner, are you learning outside of school, are you having conflicts with your teachers, are you ADHD? There are many factors, Parents are the key though. If the principles of learning are instilled, you will learn, you may not learn in school, but you will find learning. Poor grades are a consequence of poor performance, which may be a consequence of poor learning or lazyness or something else entirely.
Wanting to learn is the issue, and that "hunger for learning/knowledge" comes from the parents and is either acquired or lost prior to age 5. If Parents don't want the child to learn, he won't want to either, if they want him to, then no matter how lazy he is he will learn. He may not learn at school(see sibling post about math program) but that hunger will be there and he will satisfy it at the library or on the internet.
No, but like "free/public/reading" libraries, it is free everywhere. Learning is where you find it. and if it isn't in school because you have to sit in classes with people who would rather be throwing rocks through windows, then you find it elsewhere.
If you are poor in the US, the state will pay (largely) for your university education, if you are willing and able. And contrary to popular opinion. a state school education at $3-8K per year(pre-assistance) isn't 1/7th as good as a "prestigious school at $25-60K per year(pre-assistance) it is more like 3/4ths as good.
You were taking calc 3 and 4, discrete math, etc as part of your CS degree requirement.. I know.
Those tools are useful, if it isn't your job to do reasearch, or write software. but until you can do it the hard way in your sleep, the short way doesn't teach you anything.
I enjoy maths and in HS, I went through 4 years with a 4 function solar calculator, while my peers were using 81s and 83s, I surpassed them using a 4 function.
WHY? because I knew why aX^2+bX-c=0 derived in it's various ways.
Oh, and on the tax money for the needy, do you want a good education or a big name degree. In most states, you can get a good education FREE, books included as a resident. A big name degree is something else entirely.
And you went to school? where? Guess what, a decent education(for free) is where you find it. getting a decent education happens all the time in the inner city. The problem is largely cultural. A culture of students and parents who don't value education and believe that the best way to make it big is to
a)win the lottery b)be good at sports c)get a music contract.
unfortunately of those 3 choices the most likely one to happen is a, and the odds get progressively worse.
All you need to get into a decent college is decent grades and all you need for decent grades are decent motivations. In this country if you are needy, your college is paid for by
wait for it
still waiting?
TAX MONEY!!! DING!
The US is HUGELY egalitarian. In most countries if you don't try, or fail they tosss you out of school, in the US, they let you stay and hold back everyone else.
HINT: I bet Czech schools don't spend millions of dollars (or preferred local currency) on state-of-the-art sports facilities and equipment.
Or even on universal education. Hmmm, perhaps we should follow the lead of other nations and let the dropouts drop out, and kick out the ones that need kicking out?
Politicians do suspicious, fraudulent, untrustworthy, and frequently illegal things to get votes. So it was 100 years ago, so it is today. Being shocked at either major party getting caught is incredibly naive and ignorant. Power tends toward corruption absolute power tending toward corruption faster.
The only thing keeping the crooks honest are the crooks on the other side watching and plotting their own dirty tricks.
Politicians rob Peter to pay Paul or Paul to pay Peter, but most of us are Robert or Stan or Joe or Billy-Bob.
I've never felt that need, of course I have at least one box in every room, within reach for whatever use is required.. from runny nose to spilled coke...
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WHO is going to pay $27K to save $19.95?.
I don't care if the good kids are rich/poor/white/black/asian. I don't care if the bad kids are rich/poor/white/black/asian. If they, or the stupid lazy teachers(including you apparently) are imparing the good students get rid of them. A heirarchal system is the natural order, cream rises, and the good will rise regardless of the barriers, why are you so opposed to removing the barriers?
Vouchers remove the bad students and bad parents from the pool with the good parents and good students allowiing the good parents and students to operate maximally and the bad students and parents who believe that a music or sports "career" is the way to go and math, science and english aren't.
Just like executing one innocent person is a failure of the justice system so graduating one person who can't read write or add is a Failure of the education system. Better to fail a person who knows the material or let a murderer walk free.
Many large cities have FREE prep schools. Boston, Providence, New York are the ones I am directly aware of. Others exist. Good schools are the result of good parents and good teachers collaberating, Bad schools are the result of poor parents and poor teachers churning students. I was fortunate to encounter more good teachers and schools than poor. But I was most fortunate to have good parents who taught me the value of learning and education before school began. And allowed me to make mistakes including failure... and to grow from the accountability.
Who are they?
Note, I also skipped a grade.
The real question is who does bob work for?
Johnny has 5 apples, Suzie has 3 apples, Bob takes 3 of johnny's apples and one of suzies, How do you think Bob feels?
If my 4 year old(when I have one) ties his own shoes and has them on the right feet, yes, that is praiseworthy. should a 4th grader be praised for the same thing... of course not.
You know, 50 years ago the teachers could and did smack the kid upside his head when he acted like that. Seemed to work then, perhaps we should bring back the wopmusidahead program and see if that helps.
Why does 12x12=144, and what bearing does that have on a 7 year old? Because thats how old I was when I learned that. personally I don't think the rote memorization should go past 10x10, because that's all that's needed to progress to 555x555. But thats just MHO.
How are school vouchers related to opposition to universal education, sounds like a stepping stone towards universal education. Allowing parents to send their children away from the FAILED "educators" monopoly seems to be a positive step towards universal education rather than allowing them to remain in schools that are STILL graduating student who can't read write or add, BUT have really good self esteem and a Diploma.
which society do you refer to? IN the US it is a CHOICE for both parents to work, not a mandate. Are there sacrifices to be made, well obviously, but are they worth it? Well of course.
Hundreds of thousands of "single" parents do it every day. Millions more make the choices to sacrifice and live in a smaller house, or drive a cheaper car, or eat store brand products and manage quite handily. Children with one parent staying home aren't generally deprived of much other than a TV in every room, or chocolate frosted cocoa crispies. Instead they get attention from their parent(s), store brand toastie o's and the oportunity to buy books for $.25 at goodwill instead of $25 at Border's.
What is your point? I repeated 3 grades(due to lazyness not inability) and another of my brothers failed one. I don't usually bring it up in casual conversation, but when it comes up, it is always met with incredulity. Grades are important, but so is learning and education. Are you a life learner, are you learning outside of school, are you having conflicts with your teachers, are you ADHD? There are many factors, Parents are the key though. If the principles of learning are instilled, you will learn, you may not learn in school, but you will find learning. Poor grades are a consequence of poor performance, which may be a consequence of poor learning or lazyness or something else entirely.
Wanting to learn is the issue, and that "hunger for learning/knowledge" comes from the parents and is either acquired or lost prior to age 5. If Parents don't want the child to learn, he won't want to either, if they want him to, then no matter how lazy he is he will learn. He may not learn at school(see sibling post about math program) but that hunger will be there and he will satisfy it at the library or on the internet.
No, but like "free/public/reading" libraries, it is free everywhere. Learning is where you find it. and if it isn't in school because you have to sit in classes with people who would rather be throwing rocks through windows, then you find it elsewhere.
If you are poor in the US, the state will pay (largely) for your university education, if you are willing and able. And contrary to popular opinion. a state school education at $3-8K per year(pre-assistance) isn't 1/7th as good as a "prestigious school at $25-60K per year(pre-assistance) it is more like 3/4ths as good.
You were taking calc 3 and 4, discrete math, etc as part of your CS degree requirement.. I know.
Those tools are useful, if it isn't your job to do reasearch, or write software. but until you can do it the hard way in your sleep, the short way doesn't teach you anything.
I enjoy maths and in HS, I went through 4 years with a 4 function solar calculator, while my peers were using 81s and 83s, I surpassed them using a 4 function.
WHY? because I knew why aX^2+bX-c=0 derived in it's various ways.
Siamese twins. Although it's still rather kinky.
Oh, and on the tax money for the needy, do you want a good education or a big name degree. In most states, you can get a good education FREE, books included as a resident. A big name degree is something else entirely.
No, but boston Latin and Classical High School in Providence are both inner city Public Schools.
You must have learned that here
HUH? You seem to get it, computers are the problem IF and ONLY IF they are used to solve the problem instead of to teach how to solve it.
And you went to school? where? Guess what, a decent education(for free) is where you find it. getting a decent education happens all the time in the inner city. The problem is largely cultural. A culture of students and parents who don't value education and believe that the best way to make it big is to
a)win the lottery
b)be good at sports
c)get a music contract.
unfortunately of those 3 choices the most likely one to happen is a, and the odds get progressively worse.
All you need to get into a decent college is decent grades and all you need for decent grades are decent motivations. In this country if you are needy, your college is paid for by
wait for it
still waiting?
TAX MONEY!!! DING!
The US is HUGELY egalitarian. In most countries if you don't try, or fail they tosss you out of school, in the US, they let you stay and hold back everyone else.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR!!!
Let's see, Daddy, why is that woman panting and screaming and moaning with that shampoo, Why don't we use that shampoo?
THe screaming moaning Organsim she has isn't explainable without understanding "the big O" which is why I hate the latest Overstock commercials.
Try explaining to a five year old why the woman making the noises he makes when he stubs his toe is supposed to feel good.
And its not screaming for joy, its that short panting moan, leading up to the "screaming for joy".
Politicians do suspicious, fraudulent, untrustworthy, and frequently illegal things to get votes. So it was 100 years ago, so it is today. Being shocked at either major party getting caught is incredibly naive and ignorant. Power tends toward corruption absolute power tending toward corruption faster.
The only thing keeping the crooks honest are the crooks on the other side watching and plotting their own dirty tricks.
Politicians rob Peter to pay Paul or Paul to pay Peter, but most of us are Robert or Stan or Joe or Billy-Bob.
I've never felt that need, of course I have at least one box in every room, within reach for whatever use is required.. from runny nose to spilled coke...