Sony and Apple could benefit from the relationship. Sony could get add extra features without having to develop those in Linux. Apple gets marketing by showcasing OS X to Playstation market (much larger market). Because Apple is moving away from PPC and Playstations are pretty static systems, Apple's hardware will be more faster and offer more features. So, it won't necessarily detract from hardware sales.
Was it an Apple or a Mac Clone? I can't build PowerPC whitebox and insert a OS X CD and click install. Maybe, I could use it with MOL and Linux but that is just a work around like your patch. The phrase "work around" implies that there was a mechanism preventing from installing OSX outright. That mechanism was DRM because it dictates how you use their software. (in this case where you install OSX). I using DRM in very general manner but I believe it is appropriate and accurate.
That is irrelevant. You are not getting this. Who cares about mechanism? Whether its a rom chip, Palladium, or simply contracting IBM not to sells PowerPC to anyone else? Whatever the mechanism, it is DRM. They are restricting the manner in which you use their software. OpenSSH and in fact the system Unix (freebsd, linux included) uses to regulate user priviledges is DRM. It prevents others from accessing your digital information to copy or to do whatever. Thus, enforcing your form of DRM, which brings me to the overall point of the parent, we need DRM and we should wait to see how Apple or anyone implements it before we dismiss out right. I am sure Apple's implementation will be very benign and non-intrusive because it has been up to this point. Thus, how is anything different?
oh yes it is. Copy protection is just one part of DRM. Apple is obviously regulating how you use OS X, their product. That digital rights management. You don't have the right to put on anything else but a Mac, do you? Apple sure don't want you to have that right. That rom chip was DRM. DRM is a broad term. Hell, OpenSSH is DRM. It protects your passwords which protect your files, which you say noone has the right to access. Thus, DRM
Usually in this profession, you trying to please everyone so you take seemingly contradictory stands. Reconciling them is not a requisite unless the public put them together. But as for me, I am for the death penalty, abortion, and some euthnasia but I love life. I resolve this because there is always a complex set of circumstances from which I formulated my stance. I not for abortion in all its forms but only when it meets a certain criteria. The same goes for the others. I accept complexity of any situation and do not apply broadly any one principle to formulate my response.
I fail to see problem here. Apple uses DRM today to lock OSX to Apple computers. They been doing it for years and have publicly stated they will do it for the Mactel computers. Who cares about the mechanism of the DRM they use? Futhermore, I look at the members of the Trusted Computing Platform. You have Intel and AMD who are competitors. You Microsoft and maybe now Apple who are competitors. Do you think market forces will minimize DRM usage much the same way it drives down price? Restriction is naughty word in this society and companies will try to undercut the next guy with less restriction. This will apply to content providers as well as the software providers.
I don't really see DRM as big problem, in fact I see it as quite the opposite. First, there are social mechanisms that expose abuse. Examples from modern times exposing of the Nixon administration and Enron scandal. No one would getaway with abusing DRM for very long. Faster broadband connection are going to give computers an unbelievable amount of flexibility. You will be able get access all sort of content from movies to tv shows to music. You will able to collaborate with anyone from across the globe in realtime. Coupled with the already booming e-commerce, society is going to need DRM to protect everyone. The same technology that will protect music and movie files will protect your ideas, your identity, your credit card number. Let's face it, there are bad people out there that will pirate all that if you let them without conscience. DRM is a necessity. Let's just see how its used before condemn it outright.
Obviously, your thinking 15th century here. There are stronger lightweight material available today then were when the shuttle was originally design. You don't need iron or lead. Furthermore, just because it is heavy duty, it doesn't mean it won't fly. Look at A10 thunderbolt which is heavy as hell but can fly and take tremendous bruising and still bring back the pilots alive. The cost of higher payload might be worth if you weigh against the cost losing a shuttle and highly trained astronauts along with suspension of the program while NASA figures out what went wrong.
Now, the shuttle are only flying because rigid planning by NASA. But with the space above Earth's atmosphere becoming more litter with debris, planning is only going to take shuttle flights so far. The shuttles are going to need to be able to take a beating in case something unexpected happens.
I heard about this on radio. I notice that NASA is being very cautious with Shuttle flights. I heard that they had practice, repractice, and planned backups to what amounted to the astronaut yanking the offending material out. I heard he was instructed not to touch anything else on the Shuttle as it was very fragile. Though I know all these precaution were necessary, I can't help but wonder should they design these thing to be a little more rugged. I mean they can withstand heat, radiation, and high g-forces but if an astronaut touches he could irreparably damage it. If the US plans to move human spaceflight beyond Earths orbit, we are need a more rugged workhorse.
First, who the hell is this mutha giving advice on how to strike it big in the desktop computing market. Isn't he the founder of linspire, the over-hyped rehashing of Debian that was suppose be this big monopoly buster but fell short. Linspire isn't even in the same ball park as Apple. Some jackass actually posted this shit.
You know in the seven years I used computers, I learn one thing. A computer is not box with assorted electrical components. Its the synergy between hardware and software. A "computer" without software is a 35lb paper weight and software without a "computer" are table coasters. You need both to have a true computer. I believe this is a why Steve Jobs- who is a technologist first and a businessman second- is so intent on controlling both. With control of both, Apple produces the best user experience in the market today.
Flip the coin, look at Linux. By all rights, it developers try to make it something for everything. People try to install it all over the place. But in the end, not many want to use it to surf the web, read email, type papers, etc.- the very fundamental stuff that make computers an integral part of our lives. A reason this is that in some configurations installing Linux is a breeze with everything working satisfactorily but with others its a damn nightmare even with good distributions. A notebook with wireless but Linux can't use it because it lacks the driver is crippled (You'll never say that about a Powerbook with OSX). For a techie this is frustrating but for a non-techie it is downright impossible.
Now, I read a lot of posts from so called techies who think Apple releasing OSX is such great thing. But it is actually a fallacy because the very act will erode the quality of OSX. Its all been done before and it nearly kill Apple. Remember OS 7, it was crap compared to Windows 95 and for an OS that is a bad thing to be considering 95 was total crap. That was the OS when Apple was trying to be the next Microsoft but actually was digging its own grave. Controlling both hardware and software is not a bad thing. Apple can assure that their computers will work because there will be no hiccups between hardware and the software. Moreover, Apple can dedicate more resources to innovation in both the OS and the hardware. This is why OSX beats the pants off of XP and I suspect Vista as well. This why OSX has gotten 3 major upgrades with new great features while Microsoft is still working on Vista and omitting features that won't be ready in time. Apple does all this and it still bests Dell and HP in hardware design. Apple releasing OSX for commodity hardware will probably put on the same level as Linspire. Guys, gals, Wake UP!!!
It is true, commodity hardware is cheap, but that is exactly what you get- CHEAP!
Apple has the best consumer OS on the market period. They have better device support and developer support than linux. They are more innovative and better software than Microsoft. What's under the hood doesn't make much difference. The software makes the Mac. I have only heard (mostly doomsayer) speculation about what Apple is going do with Trusted Computing. Apple has been pretty moderate when it comes to DRM. Personally, I am not worried on that front. However, if content providers insist on heavy restrictions than I won't buy the content-simple enough.
I agree. The Powerbook should be a lot futher along for its price . I recently purchase a PB G4 because I got tired of waiting for the G5. Now that the G5 is here with a underwhelming 1.6 Ghz (slower than the Frescale in my PB). I can understand why Apple is jumping ship. I believe this is one of a multitude of reasons to get out this platform. I am glad I have a new PB that will hold me over till after this transition is completed.
Did you forget about online entertainment. How large is typical movie file? Just as you have internet radio pretty soon you will have internet TV. Lets not even talk games as all the next gen console will support online play not to mention the large pc sector. All going on in one household, the averae is going to need the bandwidth.
Why do we need a G5 notebook. At its current version, Mac OSX doesn't utilized 64bits yet and a lot of programs are still principally 32-bit. Notebooks can't support more than 2GB yet so addressing more memory is out. These processor top out at 1.6 Ghz. Hell we got that now. Nah my money is on Centrino as the better solution when the Powerbook will be revised.
that a company with such great reputation for innovative ideas, fair competive practices, and flawlessly written software is having such a difficult time recruiting talent.
All I can say is I am glad to have this Macintosh right in front of me. I fully appreciate and adore this silver wonder. But, for those stuck in Windows hell, forever enslaved, I recommend using non-Microsoft anti-spyware, security centers, and most importantly any anti-virus monstrosities they might have cook up.
Is this the same computer? If it is, you may have a subtle hardware issue. Two hardware issues on the same computer indicates to me you may have hardware problem. Apple System Profiler is a good place to start looking. Check to see if everything listed (USB devices, Firewire, Airport, PCI, memory) both while plugged in and on battery. I wouldn't attribute this to the OS without checking that first.
To hell with the bundle programs. On my XP box, I have real, windows media, and quicktime. I have both mozilla, netscape, and IE. The only thing that dictates what I use is the format of the file I am trying to open or the compatibility of the website I am trying to load. All those programs can be easily found and freely downloaded. So, this whole decision was pointless.
If governments want to crack the OS monopoly, they need to invest in companies working on alternatives (use the MS fines for that). They should create division within their standards bureaus that will develop and promote open file formats for ubiquitous file types that any OS can support. Most choose MS because they want to be compatible with everyone else. This would remedy that impulse decide their OS based on its merits. As a large consumer of software, they should invest more of the IT budget on alternatives. They need laws that force OEMs to offer alternative OS if the customers so requests. If they can force OEM to pay for recycling programs, they can do this.
Consumers need to be more informed about the technology they used. Its not going anywhere and is permanently apart of our lives. You can do a lot with just any OS with a little effort. They need to definitely evaluate alternatives. 90% of desktop running the same OS is not healthy for the economy or national security (a lot of Western nation should heed).
in only 30 minutes. Whoa, he must have struck a nerve. This may rival Apple switch to intel as the most commented article this year.
Its sad that we get suckered into this flamefest anytime one OS leader says the other OS suck. Examples include Torvalds say Mac OSX/BSD suck, Alchin say Mac OSX and Linux sucks, and Steve Jobs say Windows sucks. Then there is all the OS are dying crap from so called tech analysts. We should grow beyond this by now considering how many times this happens.
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+1 Insightful Yet Funny.
Sony and Apple could benefit from the relationship. Sony could get add extra features without having to develop those in Linux. Apple gets marketing by showcasing OS X to Playstation market (much larger market). Because Apple is moving away from PPC and Playstations are pretty static systems, Apple's hardware will be more faster and offer more features. So, it won't necessarily detract from hardware sales.
We really should start moderating articles. Where is the argument? He just say Microsoft is great and the others wished they were so they sue. NEXT!!!
Was it an Apple or a Mac Clone? I can't build PowerPC whitebox and insert a OS X CD and click install. Maybe, I could use it with MOL and Linux but that is just a work around like your patch. The phrase "work around" implies that there was a mechanism preventing from installing OSX outright. That mechanism was DRM because it dictates how you use their software. (in this case where you install OSX). I using DRM in very general manner but I believe it is appropriate and accurate.
I don't know what you just wrote, but +1 Insightful.
That is irrelevant. You are not getting this. Who cares about mechanism? Whether its a rom chip, Palladium, or simply contracting IBM not to sells PowerPC to anyone else? Whatever the mechanism, it is DRM. They are restricting the manner in which you use their software. OpenSSH and in fact the system Unix (freebsd, linux included) uses to regulate user priviledges is DRM. It prevents others from accessing your digital information to copy or to do whatever. Thus, enforcing your form of DRM, which brings me to the overall point of the parent, we need DRM and we should wait to see how Apple or anyone implements it before we dismiss out right. I am sure Apple's implementation will be very benign and non-intrusive because it has been up to this point. Thus, how is anything different?
oh yes it is. Copy protection is just one part of DRM. Apple is obviously regulating how you use OS X, their product. That digital rights management. You don't have the right to put on anything else but a Mac, do you? Apple sure don't want you to have that right. That rom chip was DRM. DRM is a broad term. Hell, OpenSSH is DRM. It protects your passwords which protect your files, which you say noone has the right to access. Thus, DRM
Usually in this profession, you trying to please everyone so you take seemingly contradictory stands. Reconciling them is not a requisite unless the public put them together. But as for me, I am for the death penalty, abortion, and some euthnasia but I love life. I resolve this because there is always a complex set of circumstances from which I formulated my stance. I not for abortion in all its forms but only when it meets a certain criteria. The same goes for the others. I accept complexity of any situation and do not apply broadly any one principle to formulate my response.
I fail to see problem here. Apple uses DRM today to lock OSX to Apple computers. They been doing it for years and have publicly stated they will do it for the Mactel computers. Who cares about the mechanism of the DRM they use? Futhermore, I look at the members of the Trusted Computing Platform. You have Intel and AMD who are competitors. You Microsoft and maybe now Apple who are competitors. Do you think market forces will minimize DRM usage much the same way it drives down price? Restriction is naughty word in this society and companies will try to undercut the next guy with less restriction. This will apply to content providers as well as the software providers.
I don't really see DRM as big problem, in fact I see it as quite the opposite. First, there are social mechanisms that expose abuse. Examples from modern times exposing of the Nixon administration and Enron scandal. No one would getaway with abusing DRM for very long. Faster broadband connection are going to give computers an unbelievable amount of flexibility. You will be able get access all sort of content from movies to tv shows to music. You will able to collaborate with anyone from across the globe in realtime. Coupled with the already booming e-commerce, society is going to need DRM to protect everyone. The same technology that will protect music and movie files will protect your ideas, your identity, your credit card number. Let's face it, there are bad people out there that will pirate all that if you let them without conscience. DRM is a necessity. Let's just see how its used before condemn it outright.
Obviously, your thinking 15th century here. There are stronger lightweight material available today then were when the shuttle was originally design. You don't need iron or lead. Furthermore, just because it is heavy duty, it doesn't mean it won't fly. Look at A10 thunderbolt which is heavy as hell but can fly and take tremendous bruising and still bring back the pilots alive. The cost of higher payload might be worth if you weigh against the cost losing a shuttle and highly trained astronauts along with suspension of the program while NASA figures out what went wrong.
Now, the shuttle are only flying because rigid planning by NASA. But with the space above Earth's atmosphere becoming more litter with debris, planning is only going to take shuttle flights so far. The shuttles are going to need to be able to take a beating in case something unexpected happens.
I heard about this on radio. I notice that NASA is being very cautious with Shuttle flights. I heard that they had practice, repractice, and planned backups to what amounted to the astronaut yanking the offending material out. I heard he was instructed not to touch anything else on the Shuttle as it was very fragile. Though I know all these precaution were necessary, I can't help but wonder should they design these thing to be a little more rugged. I mean they can withstand heat, radiation, and high g-forces but if an astronaut touches he could irreparably damage it. If the US plans to move human spaceflight beyond Earths orbit, we are need a more rugged workhorse.
First, who the hell is this mutha giving advice on how to strike it big in the desktop computing market. Isn't he the founder of linspire, the over-hyped rehashing of Debian that was suppose be this big monopoly buster but fell short. Linspire isn't even in the same ball park as Apple. Some jackass actually posted this shit.
You know in the seven years I used computers, I learn one thing. A computer is not box with assorted electrical components. Its the synergy between hardware and software. A "computer" without software is a 35lb paper weight and software without a "computer" are table coasters. You need both to have a true computer. I believe this is a why Steve Jobs- who is a technologist first and a businessman second- is so intent on controlling both. With control of both, Apple produces the best user experience in the market today.
Flip the coin, look at Linux. By all rights, it developers try to make it something for everything. People try to install it all over the place. But in the end, not many want to use it to surf the web, read email, type papers, etc.- the very fundamental stuff that make computers an integral part of our lives. A reason this is that in some configurations installing Linux is a breeze with everything working satisfactorily but with others its a damn nightmare even with good distributions. A notebook with wireless but Linux can't use it because it lacks the driver is crippled (You'll never say that about a Powerbook with OSX). For a techie this is frustrating but for a non-techie it is downright impossible.
Now, I read a lot of posts from so called techies who think Apple releasing OSX is such great thing. But it is actually a fallacy because the very act will erode the quality of OSX. Its all been done before and it nearly kill Apple. Remember OS 7, it was crap compared to Windows 95 and for an OS that is a bad thing to be considering 95 was total crap. That was the OS when Apple was trying to be the next Microsoft but actually was digging its own grave. Controlling both hardware and software is not a bad thing. Apple can assure that their computers will work because there will be no hiccups between hardware and the software. Moreover, Apple can dedicate more resources to innovation in both the OS and the hardware. This is why OSX beats the pants off of XP and I suspect Vista as well. This why OSX has gotten 3 major upgrades with new great features while Microsoft is still working on Vista and omitting features that won't be ready in time. Apple does all this and it still bests Dell and HP in hardware design. Apple releasing OSX for commodity hardware will probably put on the same level as Linspire. Guys, gals, Wake UP!!!
It is true, commodity hardware is cheap, but that is exactly what you get- CHEAP!
Apple has the best consumer OS on the market period. They have better device support and developer support than linux. They are more innovative and better software than Microsoft. What's under the hood doesn't make much difference. The software makes the Mac. I have only heard (mostly doomsayer) speculation about what Apple is going do with Trusted Computing. Apple has been pretty moderate when it comes to DRM. Personally, I am not worried on that front. However, if content providers insist on heavy restrictions than I won't buy the content-simple enough.
I agree. The Powerbook should be a lot futher along for its price . I recently purchase a PB G4 because I got tired of waiting for the G5. Now that the G5 is here with a underwhelming 1.6 Ghz (slower than the Frescale in my PB). I can understand why Apple is jumping ship. I believe this is one of a multitude of reasons to get out this platform. I am glad I have a new PB that will hold me over till after this transition is completed.
Did you forget about online entertainment. How large is typical movie file? Just as you have internet radio pretty soon you will have internet TV. Lets not even talk games as all the next gen console will support online play not to mention the large pc sector. All going on in one household, the averae is going to need the bandwidth.
Why do we need a G5 notebook. At its current version, Mac OSX doesn't utilized 64bits yet and a lot of programs are still principally 32-bit. Notebooks can't support more than 2GB yet so addressing more memory is out. These processor top out at 1.6 Ghz. Hell we got that now. Nah my money is on Centrino as the better solution when the Powerbook will be revised.
Apple will use Powerpc for another 2 years. But I never thought I would see a Powerbook G5
that a company with such great reputation for innovative ideas, fair competive practices, and flawlessly written software is having such a difficult time recruiting talent.
Note: I am being sarcastic. Put down that chair
if people are $129 to remove ad-ware, then that would seem nullify the whole price premium argument.
All I can say is I am glad to have this Macintosh right in front of me. I fully appreciate and adore this silver wonder. But, for those stuck in Windows hell, forever enslaved, I recommend using non-Microsoft anti-spyware, security centers, and most importantly any anti-virus monstrosities they might have cook up.
Is this the same computer? If it is, you may have a subtle hardware issue. Two hardware issues on the same computer indicates to me you may have hardware problem. Apple System Profiler is a good place to start looking. Check to see if everything listed (USB devices, Firewire, Airport, PCI, memory) both while plugged in and on battery. I wouldn't attribute this to the OS without checking that first.
To hell with the bundle programs. On my XP box, I have real, windows media, and quicktime. I have both mozilla, netscape, and IE. The only thing that dictates what I use is the format of the file I am trying to open or the compatibility of the website I am trying to load. All those programs can be easily found and freely downloaded. So, this whole decision was pointless.
If governments want to crack the OS monopoly, they need to invest in companies working on alternatives (use the MS fines for that). They should create division within their standards bureaus that will develop and promote open file formats for ubiquitous file types that any OS can support. Most choose MS because they want to be compatible with everyone else. This would remedy that impulse decide their OS based on its merits. As a large consumer of software, they should invest more of the IT budget on alternatives. They need laws that force OEMs to offer alternative OS if the customers so requests. If they can force OEM to pay for recycling programs, they can do this.
Consumers need to be more informed about the technology they used. Its not going anywhere and is permanently apart of our lives. You can do a lot with just any OS with a little effort. They need to definitely evaluate alternatives. 90% of desktop running the same OS is not healthy for the economy or national security (a lot of Western nation should heed).
We should definately try these of the planet. I have too many bad run ins and they cost me a lot of money in damage.
in only 30 minutes. Whoa, he must have struck a nerve. This may rival Apple switch to intel as the most commented article this year.
Its sad that we get suckered into this flamefest anytime one OS leader says the other OS suck. Examples include Torvalds say Mac OSX/BSD suck, Alchin say Mac OSX and Linux sucks, and Steve Jobs say Windows sucks. Then there is all the OS are dying crap from so called tech analysts. We should grow beyond this by now considering how many times this happens.
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