"Ximian, SuSE and Novell will continue to deliver projects to the community where it makes sense," he said.
The first sign that I see of Novell trying to pull a Redhat Fedora on us SuSE users I'm going to switch to Debian for good. I know I'm probably reading too much into this but I can't help it, I'm cynical by nature and when I first read about SuSE being acquired by Novell that was the first thing that crossed my mind. And still does. I should probably look into what kind of effort would be required to maintain a some what custom Debian release of my own based on stable but with newer packages from testing or unstable. That was the main reason why I originally went with SuSE, stable releases with more recent packages. Otherwise it would be Debian all the way.
After reading the article and then reading the comments on/. I kept noticing that numerous readers keep making the same mistake. I didn't want to post this earlier to risk sounding like flamebait but guys, seriously, what's with your reading comprehension? First of all she didn't say that, Scott Kirwin founder of the Information Technology Professionals Association of America said that. And secondly he was using that as an argument against outsourcing jobs so try not to take it word for word as his opinion. Sheesh.
I have friends in the US and I live in Canada. I can tell you first hand that the IT job situation in Canada is pretty much the same as it is in the US so don't let that be your primary reason for immigrating. And a second thing, if you're worried about G.W. Bush being re-elected then consider this: the current Prime Minister of Canada, Paul Martin, seems dedicated to mend relations with the US and that already includes participating in their Star Wars program and lord knows what else in the future. Depressing times.
I love Canada, the land and its people but I could do with a different government.
First, if you don't pay more money per month for "resellable bandwidth", then you are in a legal gray area. Your generic office class DSL service is not resellable, so I'd avoid actually charging. You might be able to get away with a tip jar, but I'd forget about charging for the service.
What if the revenue generated from charging for the service or tip jars was solely used to pay for hardware and software maintenance? System administration work doesn't or shouldn't come cheap unless the owners don't care if their Linux AP or local web, squid server gets 0wn3d by some kid all hopped up on caffeine.
I'm going to go off on a different tangent here so please bear with me. This response isn't directly related to the situation described by the author of the story but here goes. I love the BSD OSs but if you're going to set up more than one BSD server then patching them begins to be a chore. You have to use cvs or cvsup on each server and then run make build or make world on each one. Or just build the components whose source files changed with each security update. None of the three main BSD projects officially support binary patches. NetBSD releases binary patches every now and then but they haven't been consistent with each security update. FreeBSD has an
unofficial third party project in the works.
Most Linux distributions provide binary updates which are GPG signed. In my opinion it is a lot easier to use Debian or SuSE with apt to maintain patches on servers. Imagine setting up 20 to 50 of these wireless gateways based on *BSD and then having to run cvs && make obj && make build && mergemaster,etcupdate on each one instead of just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.
Now if you say that what I described here doesn't apply to the poster's dillema since he is only going to set up one wireless AP then you're right, it doesn't. But I just wanted to point out that if he wants to set up more than one and adminster them remotely using ssh then it might be easier to go with Linux.
OK this isn't directly related to Nvidia but more of a general inquiry. Are there any video card manufacturers who consider XFree86 users a priority, even a small one? For some reason I always had the impression that Matrox released good drivers for XFree86 and that they're video cards are generally well supported. Whenever the "X is slow" argument arises people usually say that X performance is contingent on good video drivers. So what are the best video drivers out there right now? I want to build a new box soon which will be used to dual boot Windows and Linux. I would like to be able to play games on both operating systems but if that isn't possible then atleast be able to have really good drivers for Linux for normal desktop use.
Because I love and use Debian, but contrary to what the Debian fanatics will tell you, the testing/unstable versions are unusable for serious business. So, I have to use the stable build, which has many good qualities, but as others have noted... kernel 2.2 as the default kernel?!?
Same here. I got tired of the ancient software in the stable versions of Debian and the constant "use backports from unstable or run testing" comments when this issue got raised. Since then I have switched to SuSE. I'm still getting used to it but I don't have any major complaints so far. If the Debian guys, as a collective, actually realise that this is a problem and atleast tried to address it then I would be right behind you with my cheque book. I want to run a stable version of an OS for my servers but I don't want server software from 2-3 years ago!
I know your comment is meant to be humourous but on a serious note the difference between Apple and Microsoft leveraging the advantages of using opensource development is that Apple contributes back to the dogbowl where as Microsoft will just take whatever they want and then turn around and bad mouth the same projects. Sort of like what SCO is doing.
FreeBSD suffers from a couple of serious process flaws -- it is an operating system which is truly at home neither in the open-source nor the proprietary markets primarily because, although the source is open, the development team is not. Furthermore the license allows proprietary software to "steal" source code and use it. The combination of these problems leads to a somewhat inferior OS.
OK let me try to figure this out. If you have a patch for the Linux kernel which enhances functionality or fixes bugs then you ask for it to be integerated into the official source. Similarily if you have a patch for any component of the the main three BSD operating systems then you ask for it to be integerated. In both scenarios if the patch is determined to be of good quality and safe then it is accepted. So just how is the BSD development process any less "open"?
Now, Apache uses a BSD style license but they have an open development model which allows them to take advantage of a very large developer pool in order to stay ahead of their competition. In fact although proprietary versions of Apache exist which perform better than the official releases, SGI has put out some open source patches which generate even larger performance boosts. This is the reason why they have such a strong showing in terms of market share.
And now suddenly your opinion of the BSD license changes. Apache is released with a BSD license but yet it isn't inferior to you eventhough commercial versions of it exist. How convenient. Apple "steals" BSD code and yet they contribute back too... who would've thunk it?
I don't think that there is enough widespread support for BSD to save the operating system.
Nice subtle trolling. What exactly does it need to be saved from? BSD has been around longer than Linux and I don't see it's development being affected. Thank you please don't come again.
I've been using up2date on RH8, which I really like. Does SuSE have something similar, that will keep it all updated automatically? (I've never used it, and I haven't ever been able to justify a $80 box set before.)
Yes it does. It's called SUSE YOU (YaST Online Update), scroll all the way down here
for their description. Like I've mentioned before in this thread you can create a local ftp or http mirror with all the suse packages and do as many installs without paying anything. I can justify paying $80 to SuSE every year or every two years for the type of content they deliver.... not just the boxed CD set but the free online updates, unlike what RedHat was doing. I know a lot of Linux users will probably say something like "why do I have to pay for free software I can just use Gentoo or Debian" and that's true. You don't have to pay but I don't want to see the Professional version of SuSE to go the way of Fedora which goes back to what you said: you want a brand name. I think it's perfectly reasonable to pay $80 at the very least every two years to help maintain that brand name.
It absolutely MUST be almost identical in operation to Windows, or it won't be worthwhile.
Well SuSE comes with KDE installed and Gnome as an option both of which I don't use. I don't know if that's Window'ish enough for your students. One thing is for sure.... getting linux newbies to deal with configuration using YaST is a lot easier than doing something without such a utility.
Pay for the boxed set which has " 5 CD-ROMs, 1 double DVD, 2 manuals (Administration Guide, User Guide), 90 days of installation support" or do a free FTP install.
Does anyone think SuSe would be a better choice than Fedora?
Short answer: yes. Since you are testing Redhat 8 and you mentioned that you aren't considering Redhat Enterprise then you don't care about long-term vendor support; a SuSE release is supported for 2 years. You can easily purchase one copy of SuSE professional for $80 and install it as many times as you want wherever you want.
It's very user-friendly (priority #1), secure (#2), and compatible with the software (#3).
SuSE is all of the above. Software updates can be automated using YaST or by using apt-rpm which kicks ass by the way. I'm really excited to see what Novell is going to do with Ximian + SuSE. So far I've been loving everything that's been released by the Ximian camp and now that they'll probably primarily support SuSE..... well that's just icing on the cake =)
Obviously we can't continue without LDAP accounts for very long either.
Can someone who's familiar with system administration on those debian boxes clarify the above statement? Have they disabled LDAP accounts or was it implied that they're going to set up authentication with a ldap backend in the future. If it's the latter then I'm curious as to how having ldap in the equation would have made cracking those system accounts harder.
Many slashdotters will disagree that that is a good thing because many of them think the Palestinians are being oppressed by the Israelis. The simple truth is that blowing up a starbucks as an isolated, intentional target is not a military counter attack. It is mass murder, and the Israelis are right for retaliating.
Yea, adopting a simple black and white mentality sure makes this an easy issue to deal with. The way you worded the above paragraph gives the impression that you think acts of agression seem to originate solely from the Palestinian side and the Israeli government (and extremists, yes there are Israeli terrorists as well you know) is left high and dry trying to defend its citizens. Blowing up a Starbucks is definetly not a counter attack but why don't you point your finger at Israel as well? Are you telling me that they haven't inticed violence at all or overreacted in any way by killing innocent Palestinians?
My point isn't that the Palestinians are being treated unfairly (eventhough I feel they are). It is that people like you need to adopt a more balanced view regarding this situation. Both sides are equally guilty for committing atrocious crimes and that the blame should be shared equally.
* if only I had bought tonnes M$ shares decades ago * if only I registered domain names like beer.com and cnn.com before the internet became really big * if only I had saved more money from the dotcom days
"In other news today, SuSe's distribution of the increasingly popular Linux operating system is now selling at an all-time high of $80, how about that for free..."
This isn't today's news. SuSE 9.0 Professional was being sold for $79.95 when it got released so I don't know if you actually meant to try to tie this into today's SuSE/Gateway news or if it was a mistake on your part but again, no controversy here. And the other thing is if you're so concerned about the price why don't you buy the personal version for $39.95? The Professional box comes with 5 CDs, 1 DVD and 2 printed manuals with 90 days installation support. The personal just includes the CDs. If you don't want to do that either then do a FTP install. No one said that a Linux vendor has to ship you CDs for free. If you don't like the price then don't buy it, the OS is still free.
I don't know about anyone else here but I would prefer is SuSE kept charging for the Personal and Professional versions. Atleast that gives them the chance to make *some* money of the "free" versions rather than ditch it all together and re-brand it a la Fedora.
If it is discovered through IBM's process of subpoenas that MS is in fact behind this I wonder what will happen then. I assume that MS will be facing a court action for trying to willfully harm a competitor's business that will make the $3 billion SCO claim look tame, and I think that there will be a number of anti-trust questions raised.
Yea and then the Justice Dept will look at M$, shake their fingers at them and go "tsk tsk". Please don't do that again. Monopolies are bad mmmmkay? Seriously even if some evidence was uncovered which showed that Microsoft has been behaving badly is there any way they will be punished? And I mean really punished. Am I being too cynical when I say "hell no"?
If it is going to be so tightly integerated with IE (which in turn is integerated into the entire operating system) then I wonder what kind of new IE viruses we're going to see in the future. Sparkle, IE, blaster..... oh my.
If it were to be the beginning of the end for flash/macromedia, they would HAVE to make sparkle compatible with previous versions of IE. Since most people STILL are using windows 98, they won't have the cutting edge IE, and there is less of a chance that they would upgrade to a new IE. thus, sparkle would have to work w/older versions of IE.
IE6 is available for Win98, ME and I believe it queues it as an update on the Windows Update site.
Slashdot Mirror
And I'll say it again,
"Ximian, SuSE and Novell will continue to deliver projects to the community where it makes sense," he said.
The first sign that I see of Novell trying to pull a Redhat Fedora on us SuSE users I'm going to switch to Debian for good. I know I'm probably reading too much into this but I can't help it, I'm cynical by nature and when I first read about SuSE being acquired by Novell that was the first thing that crossed my mind. And still does. I should probably look into what kind of effort would be required to maintain a some what custom Debian release of my own based on stable but with newer packages from testing or unstable. That was the main reason why I originally went with SuSE, stable releases with more recent packages. Otherwise it would be Debian all the way.
Because YaST requires KDE libs.
After reading the article and then reading the comments on /. I kept noticing that numerous readers keep making the same mistake. I didn't want to post this earlier to risk sounding like flamebait but guys, seriously, what's with your reading comprehension? First of all she didn't say that, Scott Kirwin founder of the Information Technology Professionals Association of America said that. And secondly he was using that as an argument against outsourcing jobs so try not to take it word for word as his opinion. Sheesh.
Seriously what's with all the shouting?
I love Canada, the land and its people but I could do with a different government.
What if the revenue generated from charging for the service or tip jars was solely used to pay for hardware and software maintenance? System administration work doesn't or shouldn't come cheap unless the owners don't care if their Linux AP or local web, squid server gets 0wn3d by some kid all hopped up on caffeine.
Now if you say that what I described here doesn't apply to the poster's dillema since he is only going to set up one wireless AP then you're right, it doesn't. But I just wanted to point out that if he wants to set up more than one and adminster them remotely using ssh then it might be easier to go with Linux.
OK this isn't directly related to Nvidia but more of a general inquiry. Are there any video card manufacturers who consider XFree86 users a priority, even a small one? For some reason I always had the impression that Matrox released good drivers for XFree86 and that they're video cards are generally well supported. Whenever the "X is slow" argument arises people usually say that X performance is contingent on good video drivers. So what are the best video drivers out there right now? I want to build a new box soon which will be used to dual boot Windows and Linux. I would like to be able to play games on both operating systems but if that isn't possible then atleast be able to have really good drivers for Linux for normal desktop use.
Same here. I got tired of the ancient software in the stable versions of Debian and the constant "use backports from unstable or run testing" comments when this issue got raised. Since then I have switched to SuSE. I'm still getting used to it but I don't have any major complaints so far. If the Debian guys, as a collective, actually realise that this is a problem and atleast tried to address it then I would be right behind you with my cheque book. I want to run a stable version of an OS for my servers but I don't want server software from 2-3 years ago!
(Score:*, NOT Flamebait, just realistic)
I know your comment is meant to be humourous but on a serious note the difference between Apple and Microsoft leveraging the advantages of using opensource development is that Apple contributes back to the dogbowl where as Microsoft will just take whatever they want and then turn around and bad mouth the same projects. Sort of like what SCO is doing.
Bill Gates: Thanks but I have all the power I can currently handle. Nice offer though.
Yeah South Korea sounds like a safe bet. It's a good thing they're not near another country which has a lunatic for a leader.
OK let me try to figure this out. If you have a patch for the Linux kernel which enhances functionality or fixes bugs then you ask for it to be integerated into the official source. Similarily if you have a patch for any component of the the main three BSD operating systems then you ask for it to be integerated. In both scenarios if the patch is determined to be of good quality and safe then it is accepted. So just how is the BSD development process any less "open"?
Now, Apache uses a BSD style license but they have an open development model which allows them to take advantage of a very large developer pool in order to stay ahead of their competition. In fact although proprietary versions of Apache exist which perform better than the official releases, SGI has put out some open source patches which generate even larger performance boosts. This is the reason why they have such a strong showing in terms of market share.
And now suddenly your opinion of the BSD license changes. Apache is released with a BSD license but yet it isn't inferior to you eventhough commercial versions of it exist. How convenient. Apple "steals" BSD code and yet they contribute back too... who would've thunk it?
I don't think that there is enough widespread support for BSD to save the operating system.
Nice subtle trolling. What exactly does it need to be saved from? BSD has been around longer than Linux and I don't see it's development being affected. Thank you please don't come again.
Yes it does. It's called SUSE YOU (YaST Online Update), scroll all the way down here for their description. Like I've mentioned before in this thread you can create a local ftp or http mirror with all the suse packages and do as many installs without paying anything. I can justify paying $80 to SuSE every year or every two years for the type of content they deliver.... not just the boxed CD set but the free online updates, unlike what RedHat was doing. I know a lot of Linux users will probably say something like "why do I have to pay for free software I can just use Gentoo or Debian" and that's true. You don't have to pay but I don't want to see the Professional version of SuSE to go the way of Fedora which goes back to what you said: you want a brand name. I think it's perfectly reasonable to pay $80 at the very least every two years to help maintain that brand name.
It absolutely MUST be almost identical in operation to Windows, or it won't be worthwhile.
Well SuSE comes with KDE installed and Gnome as an option both of which I don't use. I don't know if that's Window'ish enough for your students. One thing is for sure.... getting linux newbies to deal with configuration using YaST is a lot easier than doing something without such a utility.
http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux /i386/professional.html
Pay for the boxed set which has " 5 CD-ROMs, 1 double DVD, 2 manuals (Administration Guide, User Guide), 90 days of installation support" or do a free FTP install.
Short answer: yes. Since you are testing Redhat 8 and you mentioned that you aren't considering Redhat Enterprise then you don't care about long-term vendor support; a SuSE release is supported for 2 years. You can easily purchase one copy of SuSE professional for $80 and install it as many times as you want wherever you want.
It's very user-friendly (priority #1), secure (#2), and compatible with the software (#3).
SuSE is all of the above. Software updates can be automated using YaST or by using apt-rpm which kicks ass by the way. I'm really excited to see what Novell is going to do with Ximian + SuSE. So far I've been loving everything that's been released by the Ximian camp and now that they'll probably primarily support SuSE..... well that's just icing on the cake =)
Can someone who's familiar with system administration on those debian boxes clarify the above statement? Have they disabled LDAP accounts or was it implied that they're going to set up authentication with a ldap backend in the future. If it's the latter then I'm curious as to how having ldap in the equation would have made cracking those system accounts harder.
Yea, adopting a simple black and white mentality sure makes this an easy issue to deal with. The way you worded the above paragraph gives the impression that you think acts of agression seem to originate solely from the Palestinian side and the Israeli government (and extremists, yes there are Israeli terrorists as well you know) is left high and dry trying to defend its citizens. Blowing up a Starbucks is definetly not a counter attack but why don't you point your finger at Israel as well? Are you telling me that they haven't inticed violence at all or overreacted in any way by killing innocent Palestinians?
My point isn't that the Palestinians are being treated unfairly (eventhough I feel they are). It is that people like you need to adopt a more balanced view regarding this situation. Both sides are equally guilty for committing atrocious crimes and that the blame should be shared equally.
* if only I had bought tonnes M$ shares decades ago
* if only I registered domain names like beer.com and cnn.com before the internet became really big
* if only I had saved more money from the dotcom days
If you switch to SCO|M$ then the terrorists have already won =(
This isn't today's news. SuSE 9.0 Professional was being sold for $79.95 when it got released so I don't know if you actually meant to try to tie this into today's SuSE/Gateway news or if it was a mistake on your part but again, no controversy here. And the other thing is if you're so concerned about the price why don't you buy the personal version for $39.95? The Professional box comes with 5 CDs, 1 DVD and 2 printed manuals with 90 days installation support. The personal just includes the CDs. If you don't want to do that either then do a FTP install. No one said that a Linux vendor has to ship you CDs for free. If you don't like the price then don't buy it, the OS is still free.
I don't know about anyone else here but I would prefer is SuSE kept charging for the Personal and Professional versions. Atleast that gives them the chance to make *some* money of the "free" versions rather than ditch it all together and re-brand it a la Fedora.
Rebuilding from what exactly?
Yea and then the Justice Dept will look at M$, shake their fingers at them and go "tsk tsk". Please don't do that again. Monopolies are bad mmmmkay? Seriously even if some evidence was uncovered which showed that Microsoft has been behaving badly is there any way they will be punished? And I mean really punished. Am I being too cynical when I say "hell no"?
If it is going to be so tightly integerated with IE (which in turn is integerated into the entire operating system) then I wonder what kind of new IE viruses we're going to see in the future. Sparkle, IE, blaster..... oh my.
IE6 is available for Win98, ME and I believe it queues it as an update on the Windows Update site.