12. When installing your software you MUST NOT put shortcuts for AOL, Real Player, or Gator on my task tray, quick launch toolbar, start menu, desktop or startup folder.
Ironical that your search terms read as "first they ignore gandhi":-)
But yes, I should've said mostly instead of only. Still, my suspicion is mostly because of this "they" versus "you" juxtaposition; while I'm no expert on Gandhian Thought (it's a whole politico-philosophical discipline, apparently), I must say that it doesn't feel Gandhi-sounding enough. Gandhi's writings are simple, but not this simplistic, if you get what I mean.
In any case, it should be fairly interesting to see in which context he made that statement, if he indeed made it. Taking quotes out of the larger picture in which they're made often disembodies their truer meaning (not saying it happened here)
They would, but the guy who was supposed to recommend this to them didn't turn up. Turns out his name was on the no-fly list when he checked at SFO airport.
I've mentioned this earlier, but can anyone provide a reference for this (alleged) Gandhi quote? Been trying to find its source; strangely enough, I've found it being spouted only in geek circles.
So, once again, can anyone show me any credible proof to say that Gandhi actually said this?
An interesting point; I'm not a native Tamil speaker myself, but I've been told that "Gandhi" would be an exception in Tamil, because the Brahmic 'ka' and 'ga' are the same letter in that language.
Apparently, it's 'ka' (or the corresponding first consonant in each letter pack) if it's in the beginning of the word, and 'ga' (and corresponding consonants) if it's in the middle. Which is why South East Asian Tamilians seem to call the Indian-rice-based-pancake as 'tosai' while most of India calls it 'dosa' (or dosai, but apparently ).
Native Tamil speakers might correct me if I'm wrong.
The Rice Transliteration Scheme (this one's in Telugu, although it's pretty much same for most Brahmi-based languages) suggests that "gaandhi" be spelt thus, although, as other posters have already pointed out, Gandhi himself used to autograph his name as "Gandhi".:-)
Point made on all the words except jail/gaol. AFAIK, 'gaol' is some sort of Brit phenomenon, whereas the rest of the English-speaking world goes to jail.
Actually, this raises a very interesting issue. You know, I happened to be chatting with a CEO of a leading Indian software company once, asking him why most Indian software is catered for the international market and not the Indian market per se. In particular, I was concerned about the lack of application development in Indian language software, and asked him why the companies couldn't develop a viable Indian market for their products.
I expected he'd say something about "improverished" India and all that crap (actually went prepared with a few references to squash just that argument), but his point was, to say the least, unexpected. He said, "The world's largest software maker, Microsoft, spends nearly a billion dollars for marketing its flagship product, Win XP, and that too in its home ground. Imagine how much we small fishhave to spend". Or something to that effect.
Since you raise this point about marketing, I'm curious:- what's the view out there in the Valley? How much do you guys have to spend on, or how important is, marketing your software?
Do the big universities (paricularly IIT) encourage participation or leadership of OSS projects?
A possible yes. As I mentioned on this site before, was down to an IT-only university in India last year. Felt weird looking at a whole lab with folks typing stuff in Emacs using the Devnagri script.
And then I made the mistake of actually saying that Linux has a steep learning curve. The professor there held me captive in his room for 1.5 hours, and over endless cups of hot chai, explained to me carefully why Linux is, and always will be, better than Windows.
I had posted earlier without reading the link, but yes, after reading about crap such as eating cricket for lunch, I must agree with you. The webpage is, indeed, disgusting racist humour. We may hate spam, but there's no need to vilify whole nations or ethnicities in the process.
Moderators, please mod me down for not getting it.
We were arranging an essay competition once in my university. Because I was the chief editor (or some crappy designation) of a student club, I was supposed to come up with an email advert, which, after getting approved by the student club president, would have gotten mass-mailed to everyone in the faculty. Needless to say, I was pissed off with the arrangement; surely, there were better ways of spending a Sunday night. More to the point, writing emails wasn't fun.
So, as an effort at having some fun, while at the same time, creatively getting the message across, I took the George W Bush spam and modified it for university use:-
DEAR SIR / MADAM, I AM MABABWE POBERABE, SON OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF ANCREDIA, JOHN HERPES POBERABE, AND CURRENTLY SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED BANK OF ANCREDIA. THIS LETTER MIGHT SURPRISE YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MET NEITHER IN PERSON NOR BY CORRESPONDENCE. I CAME TO KNOW OF YOU IN MY SEARCH FOR A RELIABLE AND REPUTABLE PERSON TO HANDLE A VERY CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS TRANSACTION, WHICH INVOLVES THE TRANSFER OF A HUGE SUM OF MONEY TO AN ACCOUNT REQUIRING MAXIMUM CONFIDENCE.
I AM WRITING YOU IN ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE PRIMARILY TO SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE IN ACQUIRING CERTAIN DOCUMENTS RELATED TO FOUR SUBJECTS. MY PARTNERS AND I SOLICIT YOUR ASSISTANCE IN COMPLETING A TRANSACTION BEGUN BY MY FATHER, WHO HAS LONG BEEN ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE WILFUL CREATION OF TEXTS OF A HIGH QUALITY. IN THE DECADE OF THE NINETEEN-NINETIES, MY FATHER, THEN VICE-PRESIDENT OF ANCREDIA, SOUGHT TO WORK AND WRITE ON HIS GREAT ANCREDIAN NOVEL, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, OWING TO POLITICAL CONDITIONS THEN, HAD TO DEPOSE HIS RULER AND HAS BEEN BUSY EVER SINCE.
MY FAMILY IS CALLING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE IN OBTAINING THE SAID PAPERS FOR YOUR ESTEEMED WRITING PLEASURE. INSPITE OF ALL THIS, WE HAVE RESOLVED TO PRESENT YOU WITH A SUM OF HUNDRED DOLLARS ($100) FOR YOUR EFFORT IF WE UNANIMOUSLY AGREE THAT YOURS IS THE BEST WRITING WE RECEIVE. THE NATURE OF YOUR GPA IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE SUCCESSFUL EXECUTION OF THIS TRANSACTION WHAT WE REQUIRE IS YOUR TOTAL CO-OPERATION AND COMMITMENT TO ENSURE 100% RISK-FREE TRANSACTION
I WOULD BESEECH YOU TO TRANSFER A PAPER EQUALING FIFTEEN HUNDRED TO TWO THOUSAND WORDS TO OUR WEBSITE ACCOUNT (<insert website address here>) TO AID IN THIS IMPORTANT VENTURE. THE CLUB OF <insert club name> OF <university> WILL FUNCTION AS OUR TRUSTED INTERMEDIARY. I PROPOSE THAT YOU MAKE THIS TRANSFER BEFORE MIDNIGHT OF THE NIGHT OF THE EIGHTH (8TH) OF THE MONTH OF MARCH.
I KNOW THAT A TRANSACTION OF THIS MAGNITUDE WOULD MAKE ANYONE APPREHENSIVE AND WORRIED. BUT I AM ASSURING YOU THAT ALL WILL BE WELL AT THE END OF THE DAY. A BOLD STEP TAKEN SHALL NOT BE REGRETTED, I ASSURE YOU. PLEASE DO BE INFORMED THAT THIS BUSINESS TRANSACTION IS 100% LEGAL. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO CO-OPERATE IN THIS TRANSACTION, PLEASE CONTACT OUR INTERMEDIARY REPRESENTATIVES TO FURTHER DISCUSS THE MATTER.
PLEASE REPLY IN STRICT CONFIDENCE TO THE WEBSITE ACCOUNT.
SINCERELY WITH WARM REGARDS, MABABE POBERABE
-- Note:- 1) The rules and conditions set in the website are final and binding. 2) While the actual text is inspired by scam spam floating on the web, this in itself is a regular, legal, essay competition. Please check the website for more details.
Surprisingly enough, I had to mail my prez thrice to get this through; seems the first two times, he mistook it for an actual Nigerian scam. Poetic success I guess.
Most of the Indian political spectrum of the Indian political spectrum supported Dr Kalam's candidature, and this includes the (Hindu nationalist, as you put it) BJP, the reformist-minded TDP, the (presumably) secular Congress and even the Muslim-right-wing MIM. (He is, after all, Muslim)
Also, writing poems that talk about the five elements doesn't make it Vedic. Trust me, there's a lot more to the Vedas than the five elements.
Actually, Gandhi believed in the doctrine of Ahimsa, or non-violence. His brand was a bit different from that of the Jesus "Slap-my-left-cheek-and-I'll-show-you-my-right" brand.
Actually no. The right-cheek-to-my-slapped-left doctrine is very much Gandhian; that's the philosophy behind satyagraha. Someone does someething wrong to you; you fight back by attacking the guy's conscience.
Or more precisely, on Dr Kalam leading the team which made the nuke bomb.:-)
Two different perspectives on this. Larry Collins and Dominic Lapierre, in their extremely readable book, Freedom at Midnight, had suggested that India's testing of the bomb in 1970's was the final break from Mahatma Gandhi's path of non-violence and ahimsa. Raj Chengappa, in a much later book on Pokhran II, Weapons of Peace, asked the same question to the nuclear team, which, of course, consisted of Dr Kalam. The team apparently had their conscience clear; they were developing nuclear weapons not to increase India's fighting ability, but to increase its deterrent ability. We had, to be sure, "not seeked territory in a thousand years" (or something like that; quoting the words from memory), and that, therefore, Gandhiji would have approved.
I'm sure the team meant well, and personally, I've always admired Dr Kalam and the other team leader, Dr Chidambaram, but with all due respects, the deterrent ability of India's nukes (and indeed our missiles) have long been answered on the snow-capped peaks of Kargil. They are not going to stop terrorists from killing Indian nationals or attacking Indian installations, establishments and everything we hold dear. Not just that, we must also note that large-scale industries are not discouraged, alchohol is not prohibitted (or even if it was, the prohibition has been lifted), or village-level self-governance is not encouraged.
I don't know if Gandhiji would have approved, but let's at least be honest here:- India has left Gandhi a long time back, during the days of our first PM, Nehru itself, when we had established factories, dams and other large scale industries that Gandhiji detested so much.
Dr Kalam delivered the speech at the institute's first convocation of the International Institute of Information Technology, Pune, one among the other recently established IIIT's around India (Hyderabad, Allahabad, Gwalior and Bangalore on last count).
The programme you saw was probably for the Indian Institute of Technology's, a few of which are celebrating their golden jubilee or something.
In any case, as any ex-high-schooler-in-India would point out, IIIT(Hyderabad, Allahabad) have a higher competitive rate than the IIT's; the ratio in my year was 1:100 for the IIT's, while it was 1:2,500 for the IIIT's.:-)
A fair point, but then it's quite possible that the reason he stressed on IT is because he delivered the speech in an IT-focussed university.
His book India 2020; a Vision for the New Millennium, on the other hand, apparently has focussed on "Food & Agriculture to High Tech areas including Strategic Industries, Enabling Infrastructure suggestions viability of inter-linkages between various sectors", to quote an Amazon reviewer. Haven't read the book myself, just ordered it from my university library!
I think the submitter was trying to hint at he fact that Dr APJ Abdul Kalam isn't a career politician, but was in fact, largely responsible for India's missile, space and nuclear programmes (Pokhran II that is).
He was elected virtually unopposed, with token opposition from a Communist Party nominee, so if the submitter was indeed Dr Kalam's campaign manager, he probably had one of the easiest jobs in the world.:-)
Any case, this isn't quite governmental approval for OSS/Software-Libre; it's more like Dr Kalam's nod to his scientist/engineer colleagues in a presumably OSS-friendly campus. Someone in the Parliament did ask the Indian Minister of Information Technology if he would mandate the exclusive use of OSS in government departments; the Minister apparently went on record saying that the IT procurement policy will depend on the task at hand, and not how the technology has been developed.
(Which, of course, is a fair statement to make, and personally, I'm glad that the government thinks that way; shows that there's at least some semblance of a clue at Raisana Hill. For, most believe we lost the hardware game precisely because of such closed-minded policies; in 1977, the then socialist government drove the international electronics players out, giving the entire Indian market to four or five government-run electronics companies. Reason:- the powers-that-be didn't like phoreners operating freely in India.
OSS *should* win; but solely on technological merit. Not for ideological reasons)
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German, as in Swiss, 'coz the site is a .ch one. Nothing against you guys per se.
Nor install them without any explicit permission.
Not degrees Kelvin, but not Kelvins either. To be entirely pedantic about it, SI units don't take the plural form, but you won't be sued if you do. :-)
only [installed] Linux. When I'm hungry, I eat words. Never when I'm wrong, of course, then I troll.
Aww c'mon, they've only Linux. Not as if installing Linux is rocket-science...
not to mention body salts, human hair and a total lack of tan!
What, you have to step into the future to solve it? :-D
Ironical that your search terms read as "first they ignore gandhi" :-)
But yes, I should've said mostly instead of only. Still, my suspicion is mostly because of this "they" versus "you" juxtaposition; while I'm no expert on Gandhian Thought (it's a whole politico-philosophical discipline, apparently), I must say that it doesn't feel Gandhi-sounding enough. Gandhi's writings are simple, but not this simplistic, if you get what I mean.
In any case, it should be fairly interesting to see in which context he made that statement, if he indeed made it. Taking quotes out of the larger picture in which they're made often disembodies their truer meaning (not saying it happened here)
They would, but the guy who was supposed to recommend this to them didn't turn up. Turns out his name was on the no-fly list when he checked at SFO airport.
I've mentioned this earlier, but can anyone provide a reference for this (alleged) Gandhi quote? Been trying to find its source; strangely enough, I've found it being spouted only in geek circles.
So, once again, can anyone show me any credible proof to say that Gandhi actually said this?
An interesting point; I'm not a native Tamil speaker myself, but I've been told that "Gandhi" would be an exception in Tamil, because the Brahmic 'ka' and 'ga' are the same letter in that language.
Apparently, it's 'ka' (or the corresponding first consonant in each letter pack) if it's in the beginning of the word, and 'ga' (and corresponding consonants) if it's in the middle. Which is why South East Asian Tamilians seem to call the Indian-rice-based-pancake as 'tosai' while most of India calls it 'dosa' (or dosai, but apparently ).
Native Tamil speakers might correct me if I'm wrong.
The Rice Transliteration Scheme (this one's in Telugu, although it's pretty much same for most Brahmi-based languages) suggests that "gaandhi" be spelt thus, although, as other posters have already pointed out, Gandhi himself used to autograph his name as "Gandhi". :-)
Point made on all the words except jail/gaol. AFAIK, 'gaol' is some sort of Brit phenomenon, whereas the rest of the English-speaking world goes to jail.
Actually, this raises a very interesting issue. You know, I happened to be chatting with a CEO of a leading Indian software company once, asking him why most Indian software is catered for the international market and not the Indian market per se. In particular, I was concerned about the lack of application development in Indian language software, and asked him why the companies couldn't develop a viable Indian market for their products.
I expected he'd say something about "improverished" India and all that crap (actually went prepared with a few references to squash just that argument), but his point was, to say the least, unexpected. He said, "The world's largest software maker, Microsoft, spends nearly a billion dollars for marketing its flagship product, Win XP, and that too in its home ground. Imagine how much we small fishhave to spend". Or something to that effect.
Since you raise this point about marketing, I'm curious:- what's the view out there in the Valley? How much do you guys have to spend on, or how important is, marketing your software?
A possible yes. As I mentioned on this site before, was down to an IT-only university in India last year. Felt weird looking at a whole lab with folks typing stuff in Emacs using the Devnagri script.
And then I made the mistake of actually saying that Linux has a steep learning curve. The professor there held me captive in his room for 1.5 hours, and over endless cups of hot chai, explained to me carefully why Linux is, and always will be, better than Windows.
I had posted earlier without reading the link, but yes, after reading about crap such as eating cricket for lunch, I must agree with you. The webpage is, indeed, disgusting racist humour. We may hate spam, but there's no need to vilify whole nations or ethnicities in the process.
Moderators, please mod me down for not getting it.
We were arranging an essay competition once in my university. Because I was the chief editor (or some crappy designation) of a student club, I was supposed to come up with an email advert, which, after getting approved by the student club president, would have gotten mass-mailed to everyone in the faculty. Needless to say, I was pissed off with the arrangement; surely, there were better ways of spending a Sunday night. More to the point, writing emails wasn't fun.
So, as an effort at having some fun, while at the same time, creatively getting the message across, I took the George W Bush spam and modified it for university use:-
Surprisingly enough, I had to mail my prez thrice to get this through; seems the first two times, he mistook it for an actual Nigerian scam. Poetic success I guess.
No, we didn't mass-mail this version.
Most of the Indian political spectrum of the Indian political spectrum supported Dr Kalam's candidature, and this includes the (Hindu nationalist, as you put it) BJP, the reformist-minded TDP, the (presumably) secular Congress and even the Muslim-right-wing MIM. (He is, after all, Muslim)
Also, writing poems that talk about the five elements doesn't make it Vedic. Trust me, there's a lot more to the Vedas than the five elements.
Dr Kalam graduated from MIT, Madras Institute of Technology. :-)
Actually no. The right-cheek-to-my-slapped-left doctrine is very much Gandhian; that's the philosophy behind satyagraha. Someone does someething wrong to you; you fight back by attacking the guy's conscience.
Check the link(s). :-)
Or more precisely, on Dr Kalam leading the team which made the nuke bomb.:-)
Two different perspectives on this. Larry Collins and Dominic Lapierre, in their extremely readable book, Freedom at Midnight, had suggested that India's testing of the bomb in 1970's was the final break from Mahatma Gandhi's path of non-violence and ahimsa. Raj Chengappa, in a much later book on Pokhran II, Weapons of Peace, asked the same question to the nuclear team, which, of course, consisted of Dr Kalam. The team apparently had their conscience clear; they were developing nuclear weapons not to increase India's fighting ability, but to increase its deterrent ability. We had, to be sure, "not seeked territory in a thousand years" (or something like that; quoting the words from memory), and that, therefore, Gandhiji would have approved.
I'm sure the team meant well, and personally, I've always admired Dr Kalam and the other team leader, Dr Chidambaram, but with all due respects, the deterrent ability of India's nukes (and indeed our missiles) have long been answered on the snow-capped peaks of Kargil. They are not going to stop terrorists from killing Indian nationals or attacking Indian installations, establishments and everything we hold dear. Not just that, we must also note that large-scale industries are not discouraged, alchohol is not prohibitted (or even if it was, the prohibition has been lifted), or village-level self-governance is not encouraged.
I don't know if Gandhiji would have approved, but let's at least be honest here:- India has left Gandhi a long time back, during the days of our first PM, Nehru itself, when we had established factories, dams and other large scale industries that Gandhiji detested so much.
The submitter bungled. It's not.
Dr Kalam delivered the speech at the institute's first convocation of the International Institute of Information Technology, Pune, one among the other recently established IIIT's around India (Hyderabad, Allahabad, Gwalior and Bangalore on last count). The programme you saw was probably for the Indian Institute of Technology's, a few of which are celebrating their golden jubilee or something.
In any case, as any ex-high-schooler-in-India would point out, IIIT(Hyderabad, Allahabad) have a higher competitive rate than the IIT's; the ratio in my year was 1:100 for the IIT's, while it was 1:2,500 for the IIIT's. :-)
A fair point, but then it's quite possible that the reason he stressed on IT is because he delivered the speech in an IT-focussed university.
His book India 2020; a Vision for the New Millennium, on the other hand, apparently has focussed on "Food & Agriculture to High Tech areas including Strategic Industries, Enabling Infrastructure suggestions viability of inter-linkages between various sectors", to quote an Amazon reviewer. Haven't read the book myself, just ordered it from my university library!
I think the submitter was trying to hint at he fact that Dr APJ Abdul Kalam isn't a career politician, but was in fact, largely responsible for India's missile, space and nuclear programmes (Pokhran II that is).
He was elected virtually unopposed, with token opposition from a Communist Party nominee, so if the submitter was indeed Dr Kalam's campaign manager, he probably had one of the easiest jobs in the world. :-)
Any case, this isn't quite governmental approval for OSS/Software-Libre; it's more like Dr Kalam's nod to his scientist/engineer colleagues in a presumably OSS-friendly campus. Someone in the Parliament did ask the Indian Minister of Information Technology if he would mandate the exclusive use of OSS in government departments; the Minister apparently went on record saying that the IT procurement policy will depend on the task at hand, and not how the technology has been developed.
(Which, of course, is a fair statement to make, and personally, I'm glad that the government thinks that way; shows that there's at least some semblance of a clue at Raisana Hill. For, most believe we lost the hardware game precisely because of such closed-minded policies; in 1977, the then socialist government drove the international electronics players out, giving the entire Indian market to four or five government-run electronics companies. Reason:- the powers-that-be didn't like phoreners operating freely in India.
OSS *should* win; but solely on technological merit. Not for ideological reasons)