So. Even in Apple old hardware is still laying around and being used. Heck that B&W G3 is now nearly six years old and will still "run" Tiger, and it runs Panther rather well.
As it stands the average expected lifetime of a Mac is somewhere between 4-6 years, I've never had a PC longer then 2.5 yrs before upgrading the CPU & Mobo (at least that's what constitutes a "new PC" by my definition, building your own boxes the line can get blurry), and by four years a PC definately showing its age and starts to slow down quite a bit, largely because of Spyware and viruses too.
You obviously have not seen the Mac OS X Server benchmarks.
They're pitiful.
Largely its due to OS X's inefficiencies with thread management. This has nothing to do with CPU performance, if you take a real look at some benchmarks the Power processors tend to whipe the floor with Xeons. By no means is it processor speed, and odds are the server products will be one of the last things moved over to x86.
As such OS X Server is mostly used by Schools and other mac heavy environments that want a Mac server.
Yes. It's easy to use. It's reasonably stable. However the limiting factor is OS not the hardware.
I doubt that an iBook would really be able to stop a bullet, though I must admit I am intrigued to find out.
Unfortunately I do not have a iBook of my own, so not anytime soon:/
From Apple's Website: The iBook was designed with durability in mind, using ultratough polycarbonate plastic -- the same material used in bulletproof glass -- with an internal magnesium frame for added strength.
Really, people are in love with their Mac because of OS X, not because of the silicon and components that make up the hardware.
Hardly. If anything the original iMac should of taught you is that Apple above else is a fashion company.
They sell computers that look (objective, yes, but still) and function "great."
PowerBooks sell incredibly well because among other things compared to many PC Laptops they are made very well. Where many PC Laptops feel like they're made out of cheap plastic the Mac Laptops are made out of Bulletproof plastic (iBooks) and Aluminum (PowerBooks)
They're designed in a way that its practically impossible to accidently hit any buttons from the outside. No eject button that keeps getting pushed while you're trying on your lap. No Play/Stop buttons that get tapped at inconvient moments. And more over all of the ports are on the side of the laptops, nothing hidden on the back of the machine so no having to reach around and guess where the cable goes in or having to close the lid or rotate the laptop to get to it.
Lots of thought went into the actual case design of the PowerBook and iBook that in the case of many PC Laptops simply isn't there.
I had a PC Laptop (still do) that the CD-Rom drive try broke because as I was putting the laptop down the overly sensitive eject button on the drive got tapped and within a split second popped out while it was being put down and snapped off. That sort of thing doesn't happen with a PowerBook or iBook.
I already know people that are planning on buying Intel-based PowerBooks when they come out just to stick Windows on them because on average a 12" PowerBook holds up much better then the equivalent PC Laptop.
That's not to say that they are entirely without flaw, but stepping into a Apple Store it should be noticable that the design of the machines themselves is very significant to Apple and to many people that buy their products.
Moreover. Mac OS X simply isn't made to run on non-Apple hardware. The testing bluntly put isn't there. Its made to run on hardware that has been approved and shipped by Apple with its drivers tested to make sure it doesn't conflict with anything, hopefully. The amount of extra work that would have to be done developing and QA to ensure that Mac OS X works on all the hardware available for the PC right now just isn't done at Apple right now, nor has Apple shown the desire to do it.
As one of the people that has three TVs that are still hooked up to a Over The Air Antenna, in fact we get more local/broadcast stations from the antenna then the dish, because we get a number of Sacramento stations on top of our local San Jose/SF stations from the antenna, not to mention that we only have one DTivo/Sattelite reciever in the house, the rooftop antenna still gets quite a bit of use.
And quoth the webpage "HP Photosmart driver for all photosmart printers (except p100) for Macintosh OS 9.1 and 9.2 (rev 5.4) and OS X v 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 (rev 2.3.7)."
So it seems that all your bitching about you being "At their mercy" they still are supporting an operating system that Apple is no longer supporting.
On top of that you continue to bitch using a single example that again is wholly false because you can't even bother to read the webpage and instead go right ahead and whine on slashdot.
Honestly, if that's how you deal with it you don't deserve support for your hardware.
Not to mention that Drivers for a HP-Photosmart 1000 COME WITH MAC OS X 10.4 and if you were running an older version you could simply use the drivers supplied by HP or install Gimp-Print.
Obviously you're head is jammed so far up your ass that you can't even bother to do the simplest reasearch on the internet.
As for old scanners and printers I have a Epson Stylus Color 777 printer and Perfection 1200U Scanner that work absolutely fine with OS X.
Honestly. You should try thinking a couple seconds before you post again insulting a person.
As it stands Mac OS X runs on Apple Production hardware because its just that, production, produced by apple, so they know that users won't be using anything but a small hardware set. Even internally within Apple you can get some interesting prototypes lying around with interesting issues associated with them.
In short part of the strength of the Mac is that developers, including Apple, can assume that it will only be run on a very small set of hardware, and thus anything that is not within that set will not only be untested, assuming you do have drivers for it, but even then those drivers will probably not work as well as Mac OS X, as it exists now is not made to handle any piece of hardware you possibly could throw at it, and the OS might not be as stable as it would running real production Apple hardware.
However when it comes to many external devices, eg. DVD/CD Burners, Printers, Scanners, Digital Cameras, etc. many of those tend to Just Work (TM). I have a PowerBook running Tiger and it detects my Sony Cybershot W5 no problem, no futzing with drivers or anything. Similarly I have a media reader that I picked up in Japan that works like a charm with my mac, it recently has been having issues with my Windows box, largely because of how Windows detects it. Similarly at this moment my digital camera does not work with my Windows 2000 box because I've yet to install the right driver. In all fairness the OS I'm running on my mac is six weeks old, closer to three months though if you count from the time it went GM. Compared to Windows 2000 which is over five years old.
My Epson 777, and 1200U scanner both work just fine with Mac OS X. In fact I've yet to find some USB or Firewire device that doesn't work, but I haven't looked all that hard, I'm sure if brought to the challenge someone could find something.
>>It performs well and doesn't suffer from any of the trademark Microsoft deficiencies (security fixes every week, poor usability, an indifferent software vendor, the occasional BSOD & a hefty pricetag)
Security fixes come every other week.
An *upgrade* of MacOS costs $130, compared to $99 for the cost of a retail upgrade Windows, and a full OEM version can be had at that price too.
And as mentioned the only reason why OS X runs as well as it does is because it only runs on Apple hardware only.
>>And it would be a smart move for Intel to start making PPC chips - there's nothing stopping that from happening.
Its called iTanium, it competes directly with the Power 5 chip made by IBM that the G5 is based off of. Intel is still hoping the iTanium will win, but the industry for the most part has already written it off.
The odds that Intel would make a PowerPC chip are pretty close to none, considering that there's a number of technologies in the PPC chip that they would need to license from IBM (SOI for starters) or they would have to design their own.
Slightly more likely would be AMD making a PowerPC chip as the Power 5 and the Athlon 64 share the same process techonology so it would be less of a jump for AMD, but at the same time AMD doesn't have excess capacity so that's just about as likely as Intel making a PPC chip.
Comparing the graphics capability of say a $200 Radeon 9800 and a $300-400 GeForce 6800 GT you'll see a huge difference in terms of horsepower and what resolution you can run games at, etc. etc.
BECAUSE the US Cable networks are on a different airing schedule then the UK.
Sci-Fi channel is set up to largely air new programs when the broadcast networks are in a down cycle (Jan. to Mar., Jul. to Sept.) and the new episodes of BSG came right after their Summer season. Sci-Fi could of aired them at the same time as the UK showings but elected not to because they preferred to wait for when new episodes of Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis would be available to air, that way all of their new content would benefit. It was a decision that paid off well for SciFi.
If you have a problem with the UK not showing the Battlestar Gallactica episodes at the same time as the US you should complain to your networks. This isn't because one side is "second class" to the other.
I had the "fun" of working in our school's server room my freshman year. We had the servers get hacked at least twice.
The first time was a simple brute force attack on a AppleShare server, because the main admin refused to put a limit on the number of password attempts because it was too inconvient to have them simply go up to an admin and reset their password, despite that's more or less exactly what would have to happen if someone forgot their password anyways. I found out that year who had done it, but congratulated the person.
The second time it was because the rather ancient admin password leaked out and they were able to use that to not only get into the teacher's file server but also the SASI server with all the grade data! Why did we use this password? Well be cause it was tradition! I found out only a couple months ago who did this, he didn't
There's so much incompetence at so many High Schools it wouldn't surprise me if it was something as simple as a server that hadn't been patched in ages. Aren't you glad to know that these are the people with all your insensitive data? As it stands at my college they use SS#s for *everything* even though they probably shouldn't.
I'm sorry but am I the only one to notice this line from the FA?
However, the recent decision to conclude the show's run on UPN is final.
That seems too leave it open to be picked up by other networks, the other part of it seemed more along the lines that Paramount did want money from the fans just for the production of a series.
While I certainly am not opposed to them outright cancelling Enterprise, I really wish they had cancelled a Star Trek series much sooner, like around Voyager.
Congratualtions. You just nailed it on the head. XP has functionality that most users never at all use. Apple on the other hand has added features like Expose (next time you're in an Apple Store or Fry's open a bunch of windows and hit F9 on the keyboard, that's expose) and the Side bar on Finder that actually is used on a daily basis by users.
As for Kernel versions, if I remember right 10.3 is on Darwin 6.0 and 10.2 is on Darwin 5.0. So if you want to pull up obscure version numbers that never get referenced there you go. It was a whole +1.0 more!!! Therefore it must be worth much more then your +0.10 upgrade on windows and just as much as your +1.1 upgrade from 95 to XP!
However most users don't see the Kernel, you can use the computer without ever knowing what the Kernel is. To most users going from Windows 95 to 98 they would see little to no difference. Going from Windows 95 to XP you'd see some changes in UI colors, some annoying preference changes and sorting on the taskbar. Which is about on par with the changes between Jaguar and Panther (10.2 and 10.3, for those unfamiliar with MacOS)
So yea, it is worth just about as much as a +1.1 upgrade. Fancy that.
See what happens when you try to think like a Windows fanatic?
Comparing the version numbering schemes between Windows and MacOS is down right silly.
Apple packs more in a "+0.1" release in 18 months then Microsoft does when they have three years and are adding 3 to the number (ie from Windows 95 to 98)
From Jaguar to Panther saw a completely new UI look for Finder, greatly increased Finder functionality with side bar and greatly increased usability thanks to Expose. Apple had more upgrades and enhancements from 10.2 to 10.3 then Microsoft has done from Windows 95 to Windows XP.
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While it varies from division to division. I started my Internship at Apple this year. Currently I'm testing on a:
1.8 GHz iMac G5
Dual 866 MHz G4
450 MHz G4
400 MHz "B&W" G3
266 MHz iMac Rev B
233 MHz iMac
So. Even in Apple old hardware is still laying around and being used. Heck that B&W G3 is now nearly six years old and will still "run" Tiger, and it runs Panther rather well.
As it stands the average expected lifetime of a Mac is somewhere between 4-6 years, I've never had a PC longer then 2.5 yrs before upgrading the CPU & Mobo (at least that's what constitutes a "new PC" by my definition, building your own boxes the line can get blurry), and by four years a PC definately showing its age and starts to slow down quite a bit, largely because of Spyware and viruses too.
You obviously have not seen the Mac OS X Server benchmarks.
They're pitiful.
Largely its due to OS X's inefficiencies with thread management. This has nothing to do with CPU performance, if you take a real look at some benchmarks the Power processors tend to whipe the floor with Xeons. By no means is it processor speed, and odds are the server products will be one of the last things moved over to x86.
As such OS X Server is mostly used by Schools and other mac heavy environments that want a Mac server.
Yes. It's easy to use. It's reasonably stable. However the limiting factor is OS not the hardware.
Unfortunately I do not have a iBook of my own, so not anytime soon :/
From Apple's Website:
The iBook was designed with durability in mind, using ultratough polycarbonate plastic -- the same material used in bulletproof glass -- with an internal magnesium frame for added strength.
Really, people are in love with their Mac because of OS X, not because of the silicon and components that make up the hardware.
Hardly. If anything the original iMac should of taught you is that Apple above else is a fashion company.
They sell computers that look (objective, yes, but still) and function "great."
PowerBooks sell incredibly well because among other things compared to many PC Laptops they are made very well. Where many PC Laptops feel like they're made out of cheap plastic the Mac Laptops are made out of Bulletproof plastic (iBooks) and Aluminum (PowerBooks)
They're designed in a way that its practically impossible to accidently hit any buttons from the outside. No eject button that keeps getting pushed while you're trying on your lap. No Play/Stop buttons that get tapped at inconvient moments. And more over all of the ports are on the side of the laptops, nothing hidden on the back of the machine so no having to reach around and guess where the cable goes in or having to close the lid or rotate the laptop to get to it.
Lots of thought went into the actual case design of the PowerBook and iBook that in the case of many PC Laptops simply isn't there.
I had a PC Laptop (still do) that the CD-Rom drive try broke because as I was putting the laptop down the overly sensitive eject button on the drive got tapped and within a split second popped out while it was being put down and snapped off. That sort of thing doesn't happen with a PowerBook or iBook.
I already know people that are planning on buying Intel-based PowerBooks when they come out just to stick Windows on them because on average a 12" PowerBook holds up much better then the equivalent PC Laptop.
That's not to say that they are entirely without flaw, but stepping into a Apple Store it should be noticable that the design of the machines themselves is very significant to Apple and to many people that buy their products.
Moreover. Mac OS X simply isn't made to run on non-Apple hardware. The testing bluntly put isn't there. Its made to run on hardware that has been approved and shipped by Apple with its drivers tested to make sure it doesn't conflict with anything, hopefully. The amount of extra work that would have to be done developing and QA to ensure that Mac OS X works on all the hardware available for the PC right now just isn't done at Apple right now, nor has Apple shown the desire to do it.
I've always thought that it would be most approriate to name Windows releases after Venereal Diseases.
Windows Herpes, Windows Gonorrhea...
It would seem to more accurately reflect Windows does to your computer.
... How exactly do you get sued for not making a product?
I seemed to have missed something in the logic here.
As one of the people that has three TVs that are still hooked up to a Over The Air Antenna, in fact we get more local/broadcast stations from the antenna then the dish, because we get a number of Sacramento stations on top of our local San Jose/SF stations from the antenna, not to mention that we only have one DTivo/Sattelite reciever in the house, the rooftop antenna still gets quite a bit of use.
And yet, you again prove you need to learn how to read:
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http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownlo
And quoth the webpage "HP Photosmart driver for all photosmart printers (except p100) for Macintosh OS 9.1 and 9.2 (rev 5.4) and OS X v 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 (rev 2.3.7)."
So it seems that all your bitching about you being "At their mercy" they still are supporting an operating system that Apple is no longer supporting.
On top of that you continue to bitch using a single example that again is wholly false because you can't even bother to read the webpage and instead go right ahead and whine on slashdot.
Honestly, if that's how you deal with it you don't deserve support for your hardware.
Sci-Fi channel did buy the exclusive rights from Fox though!
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Wow you are incredibly full of shit.
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Honestly? Did you not even think of looking at HP's Website before posting your shit stain of a post?
It took me a whole 46 seconds (yes, I timed it) to find OS X Drivers for a HP Photosmart 1000 printer.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareList?d
Not to mention that Drivers for a HP-Photosmart 1000 COME WITH MAC OS X 10.4 and if you were running an older version you could simply use the drivers supplied by HP or install Gimp-Print.
Obviously you're head is jammed so far up your ass that you can't even bother to do the simplest reasearch on the internet.
As for old scanners and printers I have a Epson Stylus Color 777 printer and Perfection 1200U Scanner that work absolutely fine with OS X.
Honestly. You should try thinking a couple seconds before you post again insulting a person.
Polygamy was outlawed when Utah became a state largely as a concession so that they would be granted statehood.
As it stands Mac OS X runs on Apple Production hardware because its just that, production, produced by apple, so they know that users won't be using anything but a small hardware set. Even internally within Apple you can get some interesting prototypes lying around with interesting issues associated with them.
In short part of the strength of the Mac is that developers, including Apple, can assume that it will only be run on a very small set of hardware, and thus anything that is not within that set will not only be untested, assuming you do have drivers for it, but even then those drivers will probably not work as well as Mac OS X, as it exists now is not made to handle any piece of hardware you possibly could throw at it, and the OS might not be as stable as it would running real production Apple hardware.
However when it comes to many external devices, eg. DVD/CD Burners, Printers, Scanners, Digital Cameras, etc. many of those tend to Just Work (TM). I have a PowerBook running Tiger and it detects my Sony Cybershot W5 no problem, no futzing with drivers or anything. Similarly I have a media reader that I picked up in Japan that works like a charm with my mac, it recently has been having issues with my Windows box, largely because of how Windows detects it. Similarly at this moment my digital camera does not work with my Windows 2000 box because I've yet to install the right driver. In all fairness the OS I'm running on my mac is six weeks old, closer to three months though if you count from the time it went GM. Compared to Windows 2000 which is over five years old.
My Epson 777, and 1200U scanner both work just fine with Mac OS X. In fact I've yet to find some USB or Firewire device that doesn't work, but I haven't looked all that hard, I'm sure if brought to the challenge someone could find something.
>>It performs well and doesn't suffer from any of the trademark Microsoft deficiencies (security fixes every week, poor usability, an indifferent software vendor, the occasional BSOD & a hefty pricetag)
Security fixes come every other week.
An *upgrade* of MacOS costs $130, compared to $99 for the cost of a retail upgrade Windows, and a full OEM version can be had at that price too.
And as mentioned the only reason why OS X runs as well as it does is because it only runs on Apple hardware only.
>>And it would be a smart move for Intel to start making PPC chips - there's nothing stopping that from happening.
Its called iTanium, it competes directly with the Power 5 chip made by IBM that the G5 is based off of. Intel is still hoping the iTanium will win, but the industry for the most part has already written it off.
The odds that Intel would make a PowerPC chip are pretty close to none, considering that there's a number of technologies in the PPC chip that they would need to license from IBM (SOI for starters) or they would have to design their own.
Slightly more likely would be AMD making a PowerPC chip as the Power 5 and the Athlon 64 share the same process techonology so it would be less of a jump for AMD, but at the same time AMD doesn't have excess capacity so that's just about as likely as Intel making a PPC chip.
Comparing the graphics capability of say a $200 Radeon 9800 and a $300-400 GeForce 6800 GT you'll see a huge difference in terms of horsepower and what resolution you can run games at, etc. etc.
BECAUSE the US Cable networks are on a different airing schedule then the UK.
Sci-Fi channel is set up to largely air new programs when the broadcast networks are in a down cycle (Jan. to Mar., Jul. to Sept.) and the new episodes of BSG came right after their Summer season. Sci-Fi could of aired them at the same time as the UK showings but elected not to because they preferred to wait for when new episodes of Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis would be available to air, that way all of their new content would benefit. It was a decision that paid off well for SciFi.
If you have a problem with the UK not showing the Battlestar Gallactica episodes at the same time as the US you should complain to your networks. This isn't because one side is "second class" to the other.
I had the "fun" of working in our school's server room my freshman year. We had the servers get hacked at least twice.
The first time was a simple brute force attack on a AppleShare server, because the main admin refused to put a limit on the number of password attempts because it was too inconvient to have them simply go up to an admin and reset their password, despite that's more or less exactly what would have to happen if someone forgot their password anyways. I found out that year who had done it, but congratulated the person.
The second time it was because the rather ancient admin password leaked out and they were able to use that to not only get into the teacher's file server but also the SASI server with all the grade data! Why did we use this password? Well be cause it was tradition! I found out only a couple months ago who did this, he didn't
There's so much incompetence at so many High Schools it wouldn't surprise me if it was something as simple as a server that hadn't been patched in ages. Aren't you glad to know that these are the people with all your insensitive data? As it stands at my college they use SS#s for *everything* even though they probably shouldn't.
I know I'm going to get smacked for saying this, but none the less.
There's no such thing as a non-Apple centric product in Apple.
Tiger is supposed to be 64-bit code.
The deal was that if they returned it then MacMall would send them Tiger on the proper day and a free copy of iWork or iLife.
I could imagine some people would go for it.
Isn't this old news... Like happened at least three or so days ago.
Either way, I'm sure they're going to get one of Steve's Armani boots lodged up their ass.
However, the recent decision to conclude the show's run on UPN is final.
That seems too leave it open to be picked up by other networks, the other part of it seemed more along the lines that Paramount did want money from the fans just for the production of a series.
While I certainly am not opposed to them outright cancelling Enterprise, I really wish they had cancelled a Star Trek series much sooner, like around Voyager.
Is there any way to get a filter to remove out all the April Fools Day joke articles on Slashdot?
It's getting old. Really.
Congratualtions. You just nailed it on the head. XP has functionality that most users never at all use. Apple on the other hand has added features like Expose (next time you're in an Apple Store or Fry's open a bunch of windows and hit F9 on the keyboard, that's expose) and the Side bar on Finder that actually is used on a daily basis by users.
As for Kernel versions, if I remember right 10.3 is on Darwin 6.0 and 10.2 is on Darwin 5.0. So if you want to pull up obscure version numbers that never get referenced there you go. It was a whole +1.0 more!!! Therefore it must be worth much more then your +0.10 upgrade on windows and just as much as your +1.1 upgrade from 95 to XP!
However most users don't see the Kernel, you can use the computer without ever knowing what the Kernel is. To most users going from Windows 95 to 98 they would see little to no difference. Going from Windows 95 to XP you'd see some changes in UI colors, some annoying preference changes and sorting on the taskbar. Which is about on par with the changes between Jaguar and Panther (10.2 and 10.3, for those unfamiliar with MacOS)
So yea, it is worth just about as much as a +1.1 upgrade. Fancy that.
See what happens when you try to think like a Windows fanatic?
Comparing the version numbering schemes between Windows and MacOS is down right silly.
Apple packs more in a "+0.1" release in 18 months then Microsoft does when they have three years and are adding 3 to the number (ie from Windows 95 to 98)
From Jaguar to Panther saw a completely new UI look for Finder, greatly increased Finder functionality with side bar and greatly increased usability thanks to Expose. Apple had more upgrades and enhancements from 10.2 to 10.3 then Microsoft has done from Windows 95 to Windows XP.