Thanks - I stand corrected. I'm not native english speaker and I took statistics classes (many years ago) in my native language and somehow english significance got merged with my native term for strength in my mind.
What I really meant was that r around 0.25 doesn't look like _strong_ correlation to me (which they have never really claimed in the paper, so my attack was wrong), but west below suggests 0.25 is a lot in social science...
To quote from the report (c is a magic number they have calculated to indicate how successful groups were at collaborative tasks) "c was positively and significantly correlated with the proportion of females in the group ( r =0.23, P =0.007)" "there was as ignificant correlation between c and the average social sensitivity of group members, [...](r=0.26,P=0.002)"
What? Since when 0.23-26 correlation is 'significant' correlation? Just the fact that everything else they have measured had even lower effect doesn't make 0.25 a significant correlation. But this is probably the effect of composition of research team. With 2 women and 3 men they had a significantly lower chances of producing something good... If they would only replace one of the men with a women, I'm sure results would be more forthcoming.
I suppose that requiring 50-100 hours of community service for the drivers instead of fine would have better effect. But to get that it would probably have to go to court and as far as I understand, it is all currently handled in same way as speeding ticket (even if expensive one).
Imagine same test, but requiring students to arrange their poo in shapes resembling flowers when seen from top of the cliff. Obviously, students which can shout commands to ones at the bottom will fare better than ones which will not be allowed to use language. Does it mean that language was evolved as a way to arrange poo in shape of flowers?
I assure you that if would went to the pope during time crusades were happening he would fully support them and tell you they are blessed by God. Christians of middle ages (at least their ruling caste) should be blamed for crusades. Difference is that it was happening 800 years ago, so contemporary Christians has nothing to do with that and would not stand for it. On the other hand, Muslim terrorism is happening _right now_. We won't blame future Muslims for that - there is a good chance that Muslims of year 2955 will condemn it fully. But contemporary Muslims are enjoying it. Not all of them, not even a majority, but a lot more than some Taqiyya-driven Muslim apologists are trying to convince us.
I don't really get it. I thought it is easy to get a real gun in US. As for outside of US, it is useless - all that 'lower receiver' trick is very US specific, in Europe you will have major problems to get all the other parts as well, not to mention ammunition and even if you get them, you will got to jail anyway for having illegal weapon.
So, assuming it is US-only trick, why people are so excited about being able to produce your own, medicore receivers instead of buying good ones from the shop? Is it about full auto setting (if it works at all with printed receivers)? Being scared that government knows that you have a gun (while there is NO way they could trace you buying 3d printer, stl files and other parts in same day to same address?)?
Axlash said that pay day lenders are not comparable to malware, because they do not put people into debt in first place (as opposed to malware). To that you have replied that it doesn't matter, because they charge a lot of money and charging a lot of money is what makes activity criminal, not being same person as one which put people into trouble.
So, we have 4 cases: 1) Crypowall - put people in trouble and charge a lot of money to help 2) Pay day lenders - do NOT people in trouble in first place, but charge a lot of money to help 3) My 'cheap malware' example - put people in trouble, but charge pennies to get them out of it 4) My PC store example - do NOT people in trouble, but charge a lot of money to help
We agree that 1 is criminal and evil.
My take is that 3 is criminal, while 2 and 4 are not. You said that 2 IS criminal because they charge a lot of money. Does it mean that 4 would be criminal as well? What about 3?
I disagree that it is easy to be both scientific and religious. These traits are strongly inversely correlated. One of the basic tenets of religion is to accept certain truths without questioning them, which is an antithesis of good science. Yes, there are some good/very good scientists which are also _somewhat_ religious. But very good and _very_ religious/devouted at same time.. not common, at least not after XIX century. [cue some clueless fellow claiming Einstein to be religious person]
No. But I'm slightly tired of people making broad claims about capital punishment not being a deterrent basing it all on single country which does less than 100 executions per year, while keeping thousands of people in death row prisons alive.
Yes, capital punishement for murders, as done in US, might not be statistically significant deterrent (it is not true consensus, but given small numbers involved, it is very hard to find a correlation). But it CAN be made to work as deterrent. We should oppose it on different grounds than just lack of deterrence, because this part can be fixed.
How many Russian troops would storm Stalingrad if not for the _Russian_ machine guns aimed at their backs?
I might have been influenced by Enemy at the Gates http://youtu.be/XgRyLz47liM?t=... http://youtu.be/8yOBCGwMpeo?t=... as for placing such activities during Battle of Stalingrad in particular. My historical education here is quite spotty - I was learning it back in times when it was NOT allowed to mention such things. After that, I have learned of the general mechanism, but not specifics.
Not it won't.Public executions don't work. Don't take my word for it. Look it up and learn something.
They don't? How many public protests do you have in US as compared to North Korea? How many cartoon satires/blasphemy books do you have on Muhammad compared to Jesus/Pope/Budda/etc? How common adultery and divorces are in western countries compared to Afgani tribes?
And during big wars in the history, how do you think they would look like if desertion would not be penalized with death? Disobeying direct orders from officer on the field of battle?
Public executions work, if done on proper scale. You are probably thinking about one-per-year-in-country, civilized death sentence for worst criminals. If you move to constant threat of violent and painful death and having it done by tens of thousands yearly, it works. Of course, there are side effects - people will get a lot more desperate (like deserters not being afraid to kill people while escaping), but it DOES discourage majority from performing given action.
How many Russian troops would storm Stalingrad if not for the _Russian_ machine guns aimed at their backs? If you could get away with few years of labor camp, but not get massacred during a battle?
So hacking PC, encrypting files and blackmailing you into paying 19.99$ for decryption key would be ok and only bad thing Cryptowall guys have done is charge too much?
You example is off. It would be a lot more proper if you could remove Cryptowall by going to normal PC help shop and they would charge $1000 for that. Then you can compare then to usury moneylenders. But it is nasty, maybe even evil, but not criminal. Hacking people or stealing all their money so they have to borrow is.
Most other things are possible to treat given enough money. Cancer IS the biggest issue. Trick is that cancer is not a single thing. Cancer is an envelope word for hundreds of different diseases, which behave in similar way (uncontrolled cell growth), but have very different causes and behaviours. There is no such thing as 'cure for cancer'. You need to find out 300 different cures. I highly doubt that we will find that many in next 50 years, not to mention 10.
I'm partially involved with jmonkeyengine, so it is hardly an ubiased opinion, but how do we quantify 'most advanced' and 'visual tools comparable with commercial offerings?' In particular, where Godot has noticeable difference compared to what JMonkeyEngine offers? http://jmonkeyengine.org/featu... Two games given as showcase example - they look ok for indie-level games (regardless of companies behind them, they are indie-quality games at best), but so does for example JME based http://www.desura.com/games/pi.... And any of these is _light years_ away from AAA titles done on commercial engines - because problem is not only with engine, problem is with having millions of dollars to spend on asset creation.
I'm all for healthy competition in open source engines. But touting statements like 'most advanced' and 'only' is not really fair.
So was the US not practising Christianity in the 1850s?
I think that US is right now pretty much ashamed of the situation from before 1850s. Possibly muslims in 2170 will be also ashamed of what was happening today... but does really religion allow you to be 150-years retarded?
It is not that Islam is really that much worse than any other religion. It is that muslims are still living in 14th century, while rest of the world moved on.
Crusades were bad. Same bad or worse than current muslim terrorism. But they were almost 1000 years ago! I don't think that anybody defends 12th century christianity as being more 'enlightened' than islam. This comparison is especially bad if you compare it to islam back then, which was a lot more 'modern' than christianity. But we have moved on since then. We have even moved on since XX century age of dictators. Compare muslims to IRA if you need to, but not to crusades.
http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Th... ""Global warming is bringing more frequent and severe heat waves, and the result will be serious for vulnerable populations," said Dr. Amanda Staudt, National Wildlife Federation climate scientist."
So, is Dr Amanda misguided or not - please note she says about _current_ events, not only about possible future developments? Or is it that all pro-global warming weather incidents are ok, but all things which do not fit it in trivial sense are 'hard to model'?
What you say makes perfect sense and I fully agree with that. Issue is that it is same thing I sometimes observe with any extermist groups. You have some braindead fanatics and some smart people, both under same banner. Fanatics is telling and doing things which are clearly wrong. People opposed to that are attacking them - and then smart people jump in and say proper things, explaining that these fringe fanatics are not representing their opinions, they are clearly misguided and you should not pay attention to them. But somehow, you never see these smart people smacking fanatics on their home ground. They only appear to defend the case against opponents, not to put their own extremists into line.
Are you willing to stand up against Dr Amanda on pro-GW site and explain to her that she is jumping at sensational conclusions and that few random heat waves are in no way indication of bad effects of global warming? Risk getting called denialist just because of pointing it out? Or it is just an form of Taqiyya, where on one side these are general trends and non-obvious relations, while on different forums everybody is slapping each other backs when one weather station reported record high temperature in March?
Yes, for example when filling out census in Russia, it is very important to put that you have 2,000 children (Lena and Igor). If you put just 2, people would consider that you are just rounding it off. This even appears in the food market - you need to specify that you want to buy 1,000 egg, otherwise, given current economic troubles, they could cheat you and try to sell you only 0,945 of one, which you would notice only at home when your cake fails.
It has one bug for me. Control lag. It many cases, there is over 0.5 second lag between keyboard and mouse input. Sometimes it works ok (still 100-200ms probably), but soon drops to 0.5-1s. And if I alt-tab out of the game and go back, lag goes up to 10-15 seconds before going down.
Wonderful graphics and animation. Working quest system. Engaging story line. And entire game experience broken because I have to spend 15 seconds trying to jump down from 1-foot tall fence, because of 1 second lag misinterpreting all my controls.
This is non-trivial amount of land. I'm not sure how much space tree needs to grow properly - let's assume 10m^2. In my country, we have around 40mil people. 10 trees per year per person is 40.000.000 * 100m^2, which is 4.000.000.000m^2, which gives 4000km^2. Each year. Entire land area of country is around 300.000km^2. 30% of it is already forest. 60% is agricultural land. What you are suggesting is planting 1.3% more area of forests each year. In 50 years, there would be no agriculture anymore - just 90% forest and 10% rest. In another 5-6 years, there would be just forest.
I think that you can achieve same effect without planting forests. Just starve all people out by destroying all agriculture lands in one big go, planet will heal itself. Not that there will be anybody to care.
Are they? What of the thousand obstacles which are in the way of this flight they have actually _solved_? Can you point to any tangible technical advancement or solution which came out of this group? Not as a fancy animation with no details, but as a real item. Imagine kid who wants to send his garden rocket into space. He gather materials, research, fire off 10 prototypes, but best of them raised only to 1000 meters. He gives up. Yes - you can say 'at least he has tried'. Now compare it with other kid, who has done a cryon drawing of rocket in space and goes around asking his parents, friends and strangers to fund his rocket - and he spends that money to buy more crayons. Producing even 1000 cryon drawings of his rocket does not count as 'he has tried'. Producing a full autocad diagram of it and failing to put it together because of lack of manual skill - maybe, but not cryon drawings. And this is all this group is doing, they just do marketing and nice looking 3d animations without any backing in reality.
There is a huge difference between things like rape threats, 'I wish your mother die of cancer', 'if you open you mouth again, I'll find your house and burn it'
things like "Women have less IQ than men and you are best example of it" "I could answer you question, but you are too dumb to understand it anyway"
and things like "I think that all muslim people are terrorists" "Whoever believes in God is stupid beyond saving" "Immigrants have 7 less IQ on average and are gaming social benefit system"
There is a difference between personal threat, personal offense and generic not politically correct statement (even if it is wrong). But I have a feeling that all of them fit nicely under broad term of 'hate speech' and while first category is used as a driving point, it is all about shutting up third category - making it illegal to make any generic statement which can offend anybody imaginary world. Of course, people will argue that statement "All muslim people are terrorists" really mean "we should deport/waterboard/kill all muslim immigrants", which can easily fall into first category... but same way you could interpret facebook post "I don't like my math teacher" as "let's buy guns and go Columbine on him"
My personal opinion is that direct, person _threats_ should be punishable/forbidden. But I will defend my right to say to other person that he is stupid because of the things he said, things he believes in and I want to be able to make it generic ("All people believing in homeopathy are dumb").
I'm wondering how Hatred will be commented by games-cause-violence community https://www.youtube.com/watch?... It is a bit like selling reverse crosses, pentagrams and virgin blood packaged with D&D rulebooks in 80ties would be;) I'm generally quite tolerant game-wise, but I must say that Hatred crosses some line for me. But same is true for some movies (Saw, Human Centipede etc), which seems to be 'ok' for mass distribution, so probably something is wrong with me in this case.
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Thanks - I stand corrected. I'm not native english speaker and I took statistics classes (many years ago) in my native language and somehow english significance got merged with my native term for strength in my mind.
What I really meant was that r around 0.25 doesn't look like _strong_ correlation to me (which they have never really claimed in the paper, so my attack was wrong), but west below suggests 0.25 is a lot in social science...
To quote from the report (c is a magic number they have calculated to indicate how successful groups were at collaborative tasks)
"c was positively and significantly correlated with the proportion of females in the group ( r =0.23, P =0.007)"
"there was as ignificant correlation between c and the average social sensitivity of group members, [...](r=0.26,P=0.002)"
What? Since when 0.23-26 correlation is 'significant' correlation? Just the fact that everything else they have measured had even lower effect doesn't make 0.25 a significant correlation.
But this is probably the effect of composition of research team. With 2 women and 3 men they had a significantly lower chances of producing something good... If they would only replace one of the men with a women, I'm sure results would be more forthcoming.
I suppose that requiring 50-100 hours of community service for the drivers instead of fine would have better effect. But to get that it would probably have to go to court and as far as I understand, it is all currently handled in same way as speeding ticket (even if expensive one).
Imagine same test, but requiring students to arrange their poo in shapes resembling flowers when seen from top of the cliff. Obviously, students which can shout commands to ones at the bottom will fare better than ones which will not be allowed to use language. Does it mean that language was evolved as a way to arrange poo in shape of flowers?
I assure you that if would went to the pope during time crusades were happening he would fully support them and tell you they are blessed by God. Christians of middle ages (at least their ruling caste) should be blamed for crusades. Difference is that it was happening 800 years ago, so contemporary Christians has nothing to do with that and would not stand for it.
On the other hand, Muslim terrorism is happening _right now_. We won't blame future Muslims for that - there is a good chance that Muslims of year 2955 will condemn it fully. But contemporary Muslims are enjoying it. Not all of them, not even a majority, but a lot more than some Taqiyya-driven Muslim apologists are trying to convince us.
I don't really get it. I thought it is easy to get a real gun in US. As for outside of US, it is useless - all that 'lower receiver' trick is very US specific, in Europe you will have major problems to get all the other parts as well, not to mention ammunition and even if you get them, you will got to jail anyway for having illegal weapon.
So, assuming it is US-only trick, why people are so excited about being able to produce your own, medicore receivers instead of buying good ones from the shop? Is it about full auto setting (if it works at all with printed receivers)? Being scared that government knows that you have a gun (while there is NO way they could trace you buying 3d printer, stl files and other parts in same day to same address?)?
Axlash said that pay day lenders are not comparable to malware, because they do not put people into debt in first place (as opposed to malware).
To that you have replied that it doesn't matter, because they charge a lot of money and charging a lot of money is what makes activity criminal, not being same person as one which put people into trouble.
So, we have 4 cases:
1) Crypowall - put people in trouble and charge a lot of money to help
2) Pay day lenders - do NOT people in trouble in first place, but charge a lot of money to help
3) My 'cheap malware' example - put people in trouble, but charge pennies to get them out of it
4) My PC store example - do NOT people in trouble, but charge a lot of money to help
We agree that 1 is criminal and evil.
My take is that 3 is criminal, while 2 and 4 are not. You said that 2 IS criminal because they charge a lot of money. Does it mean that 4 would be criminal as well? What about 3?
I disagree that it is easy to be both scientific and religious. These traits are strongly inversely correlated. One of the basic tenets of religion is to accept certain truths without questioning them, which is an antithesis of good science.
Yes, there are some good/very good scientists which are also _somewhat_ religious. But very good and _very_ religious/devouted at same time.. not common, at least not after XIX century.
[cue some clueless fellow claiming Einstein to be religious person]
Is that the kind of world you want?
No. But I'm slightly tired of people making broad claims about capital punishment not being a deterrent basing it all on single country which does less than 100 executions per year, while keeping thousands of people in death row prisons alive.
Yes, capital punishement for murders, as done in US, might not be statistically significant deterrent (it is not true consensus, but given small numbers involved, it is very hard to find a correlation). But it CAN be made to work as deterrent. We should oppose it on different grounds than just lack of deterrence, because this part can be fixed.
How many Russian troops would storm Stalingrad if not for the _Russian_ machine guns aimed at their backs?
I might have been influenced by Enemy at the Gates
http://youtu.be/XgRyLz47liM?t=...
http://youtu.be/8yOBCGwMpeo?t=...
as for placing such activities during Battle of Stalingrad in particular. My historical education here is quite spotty - I was learning it back in times when it was NOT allowed to mention such things. After that, I have learned of the general mechanism, but not specifics.
Not it won't.Public executions don't work. Don't take my word for it. Look it up and learn something.
They don't?
How many public protests do you have in US as compared to North Korea?
How many cartoon satires/blasphemy books do you have on Muhammad compared to Jesus/Pope/Budda/etc?
How common adultery and divorces are in western countries compared to Afgani tribes?
And during big wars in the history, how do you think they would look like if desertion would not be penalized with death? Disobeying direct orders from officer on the field of battle?
Public executions work, if done on proper scale. You are probably thinking about one-per-year-in-country, civilized death sentence for worst criminals. If you move to constant threat of violent and painful death and having it done by tens of thousands yearly, it works. Of course, there are side effects - people will get a lot more desperate (like deserters not being afraid to kill people while escaping), but it DOES discourage majority from performing given action.
How many Russian troops would storm Stalingrad if not for the _Russian_ machine guns aimed at their backs? If you could get away with few years of labor camp, but not get massacred during a battle?
So hacking PC, encrypting files and blackmailing you into paying 19.99$ for decryption key would be ok and only bad thing Cryptowall guys have done is charge too much?
You example is off. It would be a lot more proper if you could remove Cryptowall by going to normal PC help shop and they would charge $1000 for that. Then you can compare then to usury moneylenders. But it is nasty, maybe even evil, but not criminal. Hacking people or stealing all their money so they have to borrow is.
Question is, how many of these heart issues are solvable if you can spend billion dollars on yourself?
Most other things are possible to treat given enough money. Cancer IS the biggest issue. Trick is that cancer is not a single thing. Cancer is an envelope word for hundreds of different diseases, which behave in similar way (uncontrolled cell growth), but have very different causes and behaviours. There is no such thing as 'cure for cancer'. You need to find out 300 different cures. I highly doubt that we will find that many in next 50 years, not to mention 10.
I'm partially involved with jmonkeyengine, so it is hardly an ubiased opinion, but how do we quantify 'most advanced' and 'visual tools comparable with commercial offerings?'
In particular, where Godot has noticeable difference compared to what JMonkeyEngine offers?
http://jmonkeyengine.org/featu...
Two games given as showcase example - they look ok for indie-level games (regardless of companies behind them, they are indie-quality games at best), but so does for example JME based http://www.desura.com/games/pi.... And any of these is _light years_ away from AAA titles done on commercial engines - because problem is not only with engine, problem is with having millions of dollars to spend on asset creation.
I'm all for healthy competition in open source engines. But touting statements like 'most advanced' and 'only' is not really fair.
So was the US not practising Christianity in the 1850s?
I think that US is right now pretty much ashamed of the situation from before 1850s. Possibly muslims in 2170 will be also ashamed of what was happening today... but does really religion allow you to be 150-years retarded?
It is not that Islam is really that much worse than any other religion. It is that muslims are still living in 14th century, while rest of the world moved on.
Crusades were bad. Same bad or worse than current muslim terrorism. But they were almost 1000 years ago!
I don't think that anybody defends 12th century christianity as being more 'enlightened' than islam. This comparison is especially bad if you compare it to islam back then, which was a lot more 'modern' than christianity.
But we have moved on since then. We have even moved on since XX century age of dictators. Compare muslims to IRA if you need to, but not to crusades.
http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Th...
""Global warming is bringing more frequent and severe heat waves, and the result will be serious for vulnerable populations," said Dr. Amanda Staudt, National Wildlife Federation climate scientist."
So, is Dr Amanda misguided or not - please note she says about _current_ events, not only about possible future developments? Or is it that all pro-global warming weather incidents are ok, but all things which do not fit it in trivial sense are 'hard to model'?
What you say makes perfect sense and I fully agree with that. Issue is that it is same thing I sometimes observe with any extermist groups. You have some braindead fanatics and some smart people, both under same banner. Fanatics is telling and doing things which are clearly wrong. People opposed to that are attacking them - and then smart people jump in and say proper things, explaining that these fringe fanatics are not representing their opinions, they are clearly misguided and you should not pay attention to them. But somehow, you never see these smart people smacking fanatics on their home ground. They only appear to defend the case against opponents, not to put their own extremists into line.
Are you willing to stand up against Dr Amanda on pro-GW site and explain to her that she is jumping at sensational conclusions and that few random heat waves are in no way indication of bad effects of global warming? Risk getting called denialist just because of pointing it out? Or it is just an form of Taqiyya, where on one side these are general trends and non-obvious relations, while on different forums everybody is slapping each other backs when one weather station reported record high temperature in March?
Yes, for example when filling out census in Russia, it is very important to put that you have 2,000 children (Lena and Igor). If you put just 2, people would consider that you are just rounding it off.
This even appears in the food market - you need to specify that you want to buy 1,000 egg, otherwise, given current economic troubles, they could cheat you and try to sell you only 0,945 of one, which you would notice only at home when your cake fails.
It has one bug for me. Control lag. It many cases, there is over 0.5 second lag between keyboard and mouse input. Sometimes it works ok (still 100-200ms probably), but soon drops to 0.5-1s. And if I alt-tab out of the game and go back, lag goes up to 10-15 seconds before going down.
Wonderful graphics and animation. Working quest system. Engaging story line. And entire game experience broken because I have to spend 15 seconds trying to jump down from 1-foot tall fence, because of 1 second lag misinterpreting all my controls.
This is non-trivial amount of land. I'm not sure how much space tree needs to grow properly - let's assume 10m^2. In my country, we have around 40mil people. 10 trees per year per person is 40.000.000 * 100m^2, which is 4.000.000.000m^2, which gives 4000km^2. Each year.
Entire land area of country is around 300.000km^2. 30% of it is already forest. 60% is agricultural land.
What you are suggesting is planting 1.3% more area of forests each year. In 50 years, there would be no agriculture anymore - just 90% forest and 10% rest. In another 5-6 years, there would be just forest.
I think that you can achieve same effect without planting forests. Just starve all people out by destroying all agriculture lands in one big go, planet will heal itself. Not that there will be anybody to care.
I do not own enough ground to plant 10 trees per year.
Unless you are proposing cutting all the forests to get free land which can be given to people so they can plan 10 trees per year.
But at least they're trying eh?
Are they? What of the thousand obstacles which are in the way of this flight they have actually _solved_? Can you point to any tangible technical advancement or solution which came out of this group? Not as a fancy animation with no details, but as a real item.
Imagine kid who wants to send his garden rocket into space. He gather materials, research, fire off 10 prototypes, but best of them raised only to 1000 meters. He gives up. Yes - you can say 'at least he has tried'.
Now compare it with other kid, who has done a cryon drawing of rocket in space and goes around asking his parents, friends and strangers to fund his rocket - and he spends that money to buy more crayons. Producing even 1000 cryon drawings of his rocket does not count as 'he has tried'. Producing a full autocad diagram of it and failing to put it together because of lack of manual skill - maybe, but not cryon drawings. And this is all this group is doing, they just do marketing and nice looking 3d animations without any backing in reality.
There is a huge difference between things like
rape threats,
'I wish your mother die of cancer',
'if you open you mouth again, I'll find your house and burn it'
things like
"Women have less IQ than men and you are best example of it"
"I could answer you question, but you are too dumb to understand it anyway"
and things like
"I think that all muslim people are terrorists"
"Whoever believes in God is stupid beyond saving"
"Immigrants have 7 less IQ on average and are gaming social benefit system"
There is a difference between personal threat, personal offense and generic not politically correct statement (even if it is wrong). But I have a feeling that all of them fit nicely under broad term of 'hate speech' and while first category is used as a driving point, it is all about shutting up third category - making it illegal to make any generic statement which can offend anybody imaginary world. Of course, people will argue that statement "All muslim people are terrorists" really mean "we should deport/waterboard/kill all muslim immigrants", which can easily fall into first category... but same way you could interpret facebook post "I don't like my math teacher" as "let's buy guns and go Columbine on him"
My personal opinion is that direct, person _threats_ should be punishable/forbidden. But I will defend my right to say to other person that he is stupid because of the things he said, things he believes in and I want to be able to make it generic ("All people believing in homeopathy are dumb").
I'm wondering how Hatred will be commented by games-cause-violence community ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
It is a bit like selling reverse crosses, pentagrams and virgin blood packaged with D&D rulebooks in 80ties would be
I'm generally quite tolerant game-wise, but I must say that Hatred crosses some line for me. But same is true for some movies (Saw, Human Centipede etc), which seems to be 'ok' for mass distribution, so probably something is wrong with me in this case.