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Gun Rights Hacktivists To Fab 3D-Printed Guns At State Capitol
giulioprisco writes On January 13th Come And Take Texas (CATI) will be manufacturing 3D-printed firearms on location at the State Capitol. In 2013 Defense Distributed made public the 3D printable files (STL files) for the world's first fully 3D printable gun. Their more recent Ghost Gunner is designed to automatically manufacture publicly created designs with nearly zero user interaction. According to CATI’s website, “In the last year and a half Texan Gun Rights Groups all around the Lone Star State have walked, assembled, and engaged in Humanitarian efforts all while Open Carrying their Long Guns and Black Powder Pistols. This has succeeded in Educating the Public as well as Law Enforcement, to show that the presence of Firearms in Public is not only Safe but Highly supported.”
is Still a Lost Art. Thank goodness for "Educating" the Public.
If there's anything that'll push forward legal restrictions on 3D printers/home CNC, it'll be assholes like this making a media push over how easy it is to make weapons and OMG THE CHILDREN. This is why we can't have nice things.
They think they're protesting against gun control, but they're actually making a powerful and probably effective protest for 3D printer control.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
It seems to me that there has been a lot of media and public backlash against open carry. I'm not personally affected by open carry at the moment, but I'd be hesitant to visit any state where open carry becomes too prolific. My opinion is simply that when everyone open carries, I will have a harder time discerning who is a threat and who isn't.
Because a right not exercised is a right lost .
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
This has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment and as soon as a 3D printer is used to manufacture a weapon that bypasses x-ray scanning and used in a protected place (such as a court house or similar), things will change.
It isn't the gun that's the killer, its the bullet, you can fire a bullet with nothing but a nail and hammer.
Guns don't kill people, bullets in the hands of gun nuts kill people.
they are afraid to do Normal 100%
"Open Carrying their Long Guns and Black Powder Pistols. This has succeeded in Educating the Public as well as Law Enforcement, to show that the presence of Firearms in Public is not only Safe but Highly supported.”
UNLESS your are black.
Lots of people of color in those states. I suspect they would see a completely different reaction to their open carry position ...
Heck, they can't even look at toy guns in a toy store without being killed.
This is so obvious it should have been first post.
It seems to me that there has been a lot of media and public backlash against open carry. I'm not personally affected by open carry at the moment, but I'd be hesitant to visit any state where open carry becomes too prolific. My opinion is simply that when everyone open carries, I will have a harder time discerning who is a threat and who isn't.
You do realize what OPEN carry means, right? It generally means on the hip, outside the clothes, ie. in plain view. As in, you know EXACTLY who is carrying and who isn't. Now, CONCEALED carry is where the firearm is tucked away in a pocket, or a shoulder holster under a jacket, or inside the waistband. Concealed carry is when you don't know who is armed and who isn't. For gun control advocates open carry should be preferable to concealed carry, because you can at least tell who is armed and who isn't.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
the Police Commisioner is calling for a 3-D printed Batman
The only reason to open carry is to try and get laid. Who has the largest weapon?
Get you a gun and take the goddam thing home.
We have a nut job here who open-carried an AR-15 into a mall unannounced.
People ran and hid and called 911. Whet the fuck was he thinking? Now the mall has the 30.06 "no gun of any kind, including licensed concealed carry" posted at all the entries.
And black powder pistols????
You can't pick your fucking fights?
Look into the Texas open carry stupidity and the subtext is cop-hating.
Assholes, every one of them.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Go look up English style from about 240 years ago. You'll find that in modern English the 2nd Amendment would have a . instead of a period because it is two separate clauses. Best thing is the Supreme Court has started to agree that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right and force repressive States to follow the law of the land.
-- Slashdot, making the Left look conservative since 1997.
Replace black with poor, under educated and often from single parent families due to the drug war, and I'll agree with you.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
its actually "Come and Take It Texas," an antagonistic reference by gun owners to the perceived threat to their second amendment. CATI has organized armed marches through grocery stores and starbucks. their members have been arrested for disrupting executive sessions of government meetings and marched through Houstons Fifth Ward despite the communities objection. Theyre convinced the Bureau of Land Management is somehow "stealing" texas land, that gun control is racist, and that a new "bundy 2.0" is coming to Texas as well. The most 'hacktivism' theyve done to date has been a march on SXSW, but i guess its a matter of opinion as to whether these are hacktivists or crackpots with a printer.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Why? Because :
1) Our gun laws are already so loose that it's easy to buy an illegal gun. No need to print it out.
2) It takes too long to make. You go and buy one in ten minutes.
3) Most gun deaths are crimes of passion/accidents. In either case, you are not going to print a gun first to do it.
4) The real 'advantages' of said gun - it's a virgin gun unconnected to any thing else and being able to melt it down to destroy the evidence, are not that important. They don't apply in accidental deaths and most murders would rather use a proven weapon that isn't likely to blow up on you.
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Interesting country, where white folks earnestly protest that they should be able to openly carry weapons and not be viewed as a threat, while black folks have to protest that they should be able to walk around unarmed and not be viewed as a threat.
We have long gone past sensible gun restrictions. Background checks at gun shows and for business sales are sensible. I don't even have a problem with the tax stamp system for short barreled rifles/shotguns, machine guns, and Any Other Weapons. But the ban on adding new machine guns to the transferable pool is asinine. Arbitrary bans on how many rounds a magazine can hold are just plain ineffective, here in Colorado it is being proven once again how such a ban does nothing. As far as your hysteria of non-metal-detectable guns, that is a fairy tale just like the fear of blood in the streets over the last 20ish years as concealed carry laws became the norm. Barrels for a good long time are going to be metal. All these defenders of the 2nd Amendment are doing is printing receivers, which don't have to handle high pressures. In addition it has long been legal to make your own firearms, I can legally buy an 80% finished receiver and finish it myself. In this case I don't have to put a serial number on it, as long as I don't have a business I can even sell the occasional one. For an AK you just need a jig to bend and drill the sheet metal and some rivets, for an AR-15 it requires machining which can be done with typical home equipment.
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Nobody accepts openly carried firearms. It's just stupid, insecure men trying to show off. I think almost everyone should have a gun but CONCEALED on them. Otherwise guess who the criminal is shooting first. There's no point in carrying a gun unless nobody knows it's there.
So, you are saying that Batman originated in England???
The goal and dream of the "starve the beast" group has been realized, the government has been shrunk small enough to be drowned in a bath tub. And the big banks and the financial industry has promptly drowned it in the bath tub. What these people see as government is nothing but reanimated corpse, the zombie totally under the control of these big players. The banks are still too big to fail, they have to be protected at all costs, and the costs are being paid by the ordinary American citizens. For example they took the money printed by the Feds during the "Quantitative Easing" and "invested" it all over the world. Now they are bellyaching, if the oil prices fall and the US dollar strengthens they will suffer losses. They want to be bailed out or dollar weakened to protect their "investments". With the cheap money they have bought commodities and are speculating on it, sucking all profits from all economic endeavors of all the sectors.
These guys banded together and make the BLM back off from collecting the million dollar grazing fee default by Cliven Bundy. Can they make the big banks back off from any fraudulently signed eviction notices or auctions? Can they save one small business from the banks?
The banks are the serious threat to our liberties, they have taken control of the government machinery with all the legislators from both parties in their pocket. And now printing a few plastic guns is going to restore our freedom and liberty? These guys are joking, these guys are probably put up by the banks to distract us from the real issues. They probably don't even realize they are being played by the banks.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
...is exactly what we need. After all if, Veronica Rutledge had a backup gun she'd still be alive today.
If you don't plan on using any of these much vaunted gun rights to defend the other rights in your Constitution, WTF is the point?
If you're going to say "well, the 1st amendment is shot, the 4th is being ignored, the 5th is being tramped on, but I have my gun" ... why the hell are you even bothering??
Why are none of you gun advocates killing off the NSA officials and the rest of the security people who are shitting all over the rest of your fucking rights? Or are you just a bunch of one trick ponies who only give a crap about your guns?
If so, you should seriously STFU and start worrying about the other rights they've been taking away from you. Otherwise you're just a bunch of children playing cowboy.
Or should we conclude gun advocates are totally OK with tyranny and the erosion of your other rights?
If you won't defend the rest of your Constitutional rights, you don't deserve this one either.
Pathetic.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
would someone please post the 2nd amendment, in its entirety, or at least the first part about a State run and organized militia. oh yeah, I forgot, the Constitution and the Bible are only suggestions, not for literal translation.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
State in the true sense of the word- meaning a nation, not the popular US use, a slightly autonomous defined district whose laws are superceeded by those of a national body. Militia are groups of civilians, armed with their own weapons, who in a time of crisis fight alongside the standing army in the defense of their homes and their communities. Therefore it is intended that civilians should keep weapons so that they can be called up in times of national defense. At most the 2nd Amendment calls for training for gun owners, maybe require them once a month to attend a class (provided free by the government) where they shoot a few rounds to demonstrate basic proficiency in their firearm and review gun safety (exemptions from classes possibly for antique firearms/collectors, or those who would be unable to be called up in a militia by age or physical disability). There you have it: with this proposition every point in the 2nd Amendment is upheld, without any additional limitations than we have already.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Oh Yeah, You forgot that the Supremes already weigh in on that issue...you lost.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
This may come as a surprise to you, but the amendment does not actually say anything about a "state run militia". The actual ratified text is "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
If you go on to read additional support documentation (yeah, there's more there than just the amendment itself), it talks about allowing the people to form their own militias. Some of the quotes in the debate about the amendment are quite enlightening, one I particularly agree with is "to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them. . . by totally disusing and neglecting the militia." along with "Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." both attributed to George Mason (known historically as the father of the bill of rights).
So, you are saying that Batman originated in England???
Yes, they did, although the practise was quite common in many other countries.
BLAM BLAM BLAM.
Now that's settled, let's talk about grammar...
The NRA has a problem with those kooks in Texas.
These kooks even try to intimidate people who may disagree with them.
And their premise that it is safe is wrong.
And as someone who goes to the shooting range(s) once in a while, I can tell that most of those folks seem to think that they are living an action movie. Aside from the few hunters and target/skeet shooters (me), the rest of them think the "bad guys" are just itching to break into their home, rape their women, take their big screen TVs and their Arnold, Steven Segal, Chuck Norris DVD collections. Those are the guys with the military styled guns on the range - with their fetish for .223 and .40. They are the ones who talk about "stopping power" and "penetration" and other ballistic shit.
We normal guys try to stay away from them and cringed when we see those redneck morons in Texas acting like jackasses.
What does that have to do with Batman?
Well in the case of Michael Brown, he tried to violently disarm a police officer which is about one of the most threatening things you can possibly do to a police officer.
So what if the man was unarmed? You think unarmed men cannot be existential threats to people with guns? Tell that to anyone little woman with a small handgun who is facing a violent felon who outweighs her 50-100lb.
The whole idea is stupid - good quality guns in the US (where this is going on) are cheap and easily available. 3D printed guns are expensive and incredibly unsafe, because they're not only made of bonded plastic powder or filament, which can't stand up to the stress of gunpowder exploding, so the guns risk exploding and injuring the user, and in any case will be inaccurate and have a very short useful life. You could make a better "gun" with a block of wood and a drill, more quickly and at lower cost.
The only perspective from which this makes sense is that they're gun fanatics trying to attach themselves to 3D printing for PR purposes, to promote their theory that there need to be more guns in the US, and that they be completely uncontrolled, which is a position that is not only extremely unpopular (90% of the US supports background checks, so violent felons can't easily get guns, and only a few fanatics think that it's a good idea for guns to not be detected by metal detectors).
So really, why promote a few fanatics who, if successful, would lead to even more gun deaths in the US? With the internet we can't stop them completely, but by giving them front-page promotion, we're just encouraging them, which is (IMO) extremely bad judgement.
Enable 3D printed prosthetics!
Perhaps they can show us how to print white sheets and hoods next?
I don't really get it. I thought it is easy to get a real gun in US. As for outside of US, it is useless - all that 'lower receiver' trick is very US specific, in Europe you will have major problems to get all the other parts as well, not to mention ammunition and even if you get them, you will got to jail anyway for having illegal weapon.
So, assuming it is US-only trick, why people are so excited about being able to produce your own, medicore receivers instead of buying good ones from the shop? Is it about full auto setting (if it works at all with printed receivers)? Being scared that government knows that you have a gun (while there is NO way they could trace you buying 3d printer, stl files and other parts in same day to same address?)?
I am then arguing that the perosn you know for a fact is armed is less of a potential threat than someone who MIGHT be armed.
That is 100% circumstance dependent. A threat you know about can easily be more dangerous than a threat you do not know about. It does not follow in all circumstances that just because you know about a threat that you can avoid or mitigate it. Sometimes a visible threat is more serious than any reasonably likely potential but as yet unseen threat. If I'm trapped in an alley with someone I know is carrying a gun then they are almost certainly the greatest threat to me.
The greatest threat is always the threat you can't identify.
So if someone has a gun pointed directly at me I should be more worried about some threat I haven't yet identified? Curious logic you have there. Risk is circumstance dependent. Sometimes the visible threat is the one you should worry about most. Other times you should worry more about the one you haven't seen yet. A blanket statement that "the greatest threat is the one you can't identify" simply doesn't fit in all circumstances.
Recall that the Founders had just won a war where the people's arms played a key part in overthrowing the despotic government they had lived under--because they had arms they were able to stand up to the British Army. The Founders often expressed their concern that the new government they were founding could itself become despotic (despite the check-and-balances they were building in), and in particular were fundamentally against a standing army. A standing army could be used to oppress the people, but only if the people were not similarly armed. If the people were armed as the standing army, they would easily be able to outnumber any such regular army, and thus the presences of an armed populace--the militia--served as a deterrent to despotic government. So rather than equating the militia to the National Guard, the stated purpose of the militia is specifically to be able to fight the federal government (and its army) to preserve the free state, should it ever come to that.
I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.
George Mason
Madison: "The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people."
Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States."
Alexander Hamilton: "[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude[, ] that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens."
Theodore Sedgwick: "[it is] a chimerical idea to suppose that a country like this could ever be enslaved. . . Is it possible. . . that an army could be raised for the purpose of enslaving themselves or their brethren? or, if raised whether they could subdue a nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty and who have arms in their hands?"
Actually, the Second Amendment says NOTHING about a "State run and organized militia".
Note however, in relevance to the "Militia" that the "Militia Act" is still in force.
The Militia Act REQUIRES members of the militia to own a military-grade firearm.
The Militia Act also defines "members of the militia" as pretty much every adult male in the USA. Arguably, non-citizens are exempted, though.
So, in keeping with the (idiotic) notion that the Bill of Rights lists a bunch of INDIVIDUAL Rights, except for the Second, which isn't an individual Right, we can assume that the Second PLUS the Militia Act REQUIRES every American male (presumably the ERA or similar legislation means it applies to women as well) to own a military grade firearm - full auto or selective fire, in 5.56mm NATO (the current round favoured by the Army).
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
So many gun deaths that interested parties prevent statistics and defined circumstance from being collated across all states.
Advocates only changing their mind when senseless gun violence results in their dead disfigured child.
It is easy to see the senseless waste of life.
Other countries reached low levels of deaths that can only dreamed about in the USA, and took action.
Guns change a person's state of mind, looking at Police Chases on TV free sedatives would be a better idea.
I would say that giving everybody a gun could hurry Americans out of apathy, but collectively I think they must be thick. More interested in grammes that Life.
But the 2nd Amendment is different as it is the only one that should be exercised responsibly, since it is the only one that can actually kill or injure.
Umm, bullshit. Words can kill and injure. Not just figuratively either. Words can cause all sorts of harm.
If we read the 1st Amendment the way you are proposing we read the 2nd, your right to Free Speech would likewise come with the following restrictions:
Is that your proposal, or are you going to suggest, we apply self-inconsistent set of rules, when reading the Bill of Rights?
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
unrestricted gun rights the NRA continually lobbies for,
you mean, lobbying for the constitution. I know, its a horrible thing these days
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
You mean other than the part about "Being Batman"?
Oh Yeah, You forgot that the Supremes already weigh in on that issue...you lost.
Hope springs eternal...
Which is why I generally tell gun controllers that they are free to get the constitution changed because the 2nd amendment is pretty clear that this right "shall not be infringed" and until that is changed, gun ownership is generally going to be a fact in the USA.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
except for you have an understanding issue. "well regulated" at the time, meant in working order, not regulated by the government like we would understand it today.
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
As ratified by the States:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Original:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Initial proposal:
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
Then there were a whole bunch of revisions that started
A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people,
They removed the definition of militia because it was deemed redundant and they removed the religious objection clause because it was covered under religious freedoms.
As a side note, reading the Journal of the Senate from 1789 is kind of interesting if you never have. Not only are they doing the Bill of Rights but also establishing a whole slew of the guidelines for how sessions of congress should be run.
They are making responsible gun owners look bad
I don't live in Texas for very good reasons. This Gun Mania is one of them.
Sure, when they print 3D guns on the state capitol lawn they are heroes, but when I tried to set up my meth lab on the state lawn I was hauled off like a common criminal. Still I won't be impressed until someone makes a 3D printed robot made out of guns that shoots guns.
Hopefully they have made themselves aware of the most recent ATF ruling.
ATF Ruling 2015 1 Manufacturing and Gunsmithing - http://www.scribd.com/doc/2517...
Any person (including any corporation or other legal entity) engaged in the business of performing machining, molding, casting, forging, printing (additive manufacturing) or other manufacturing process to create a firearm frame or receiver, or to make a frame or receiver suitable for use as part of a “weapon which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,” i.e., a “firearm,” must be licensed as a manufacturer under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA); identify (mark) any such firearm; and maintain required manufacturer’s records. A business (including an association or society) may not avoid the manufacturing license, marking, and recordkeeping requirements of the GCA by allowing persons to perform manufacturing processes on firearms (including frames or receivers) using machinery or equipment under its dominion and control where that business controls access to, and use of, such machinery or equipment. ATF Ruling 2010-10 is hereby clarified.
use baby steps
Most gun control laws, as currently written, are unconstitutional. The reason they have stood for so long is either challenges were not brought, or the supremes refused to hear the case.
Heller and Peruta affirmed the individual right to bear arms for the purposes of individual self-defense as well as group defense . It is legal to manufacture firearms for personal use (and always has been). Licensing and serialization are only required if you choose to manufacture arms for sale to others.
The bottom line is that manufacturing your own weapons is legal - as per the ATF FAQ:
http://www.atf.gov/files/firea...
9. May I lawfully make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for
resale?
Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA
provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or
possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic
rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 C.F.R. 478.39. In
addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An
application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing
that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State, or local government agency (18
U.S.C. 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 C.F.R. 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).
Currently there is a very pro-gun trend throughout the country. I do not see lawmakers stomaching any more gun-control any time soon. Personally, I would like to see many of our unconstitutional gun-control laws repealed or struck down by the courts.
Here is some clarification on the legal definition of "militia" in the US. United States Code TITLE 10 – ARMED FORCES SUBTITLE A – GENERAL MILITARY LAW PART I – ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS CHAPTER 13 – THE MILITIA Section 311. Militia: composition and classes (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are - (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Chicken shit, grow some balls. I guess your afraid of all the cops also...
What scares me is living in a country full of pussies who think the only people who should have guns are the government and the police.
I really can't stand the gun nut slant of Slashdot these days. Seems a lot of Linux geeks feel the need to compensate.
You're correct on the law, but you're off on the licensing bit.
Licensing and serialization are only required if you choose to manufacture arms for sale to others.
Automatic weapons are semi-banned, along with certain other types of weapons. All automatic weapons must be licensed by the ATF. They could change the law to include homemade weapons. Heller which you referenced makes note of common use for legal purposes restriction on firearms (I have a quote in an above post).
All you need is a length of steel pipe, a nail, a piece of wood, and a few other things that you can purchase at your local Home Depot for like 20 bucks. Just search for "pipe shotgun" on Youtube or Google. The "3D printing" makes for a good clickbait headline, but if you want a serviceable weapon, the $20 Home Depot Special is actually a better option, because it's more powerful and it won't blow up in your face.
"If a grandma had genitals of a man, she would be a grandpa". While I do think that carrying firearms onto the plane is a bad idea, in a critical situation like this, I'd rather a couple of folks on the plane had firearms or weapons of some sort. At the very least the pilots, and maybe some of the other staff.
It's already illegal for a felon to have a weapon, and it's already illegal for anyone to use a weapon in the commission of a crime (and last I checked, shooting people _not_ in self defense is still a crime in this country). So your lawmaking escapade seems to be a little misplaced.
Look at how you responded to a random internet post. Now imagine every person with your rage issues carrying around a loaded weapon.
I thought it was actually the federalist papers that suggested things like training, state sponsored classes, etc, not the 2nd amendment itself.
That was actually an editorialization on my part, because I feel it is just about the only additional, not currently existing regulation that actually complies with the wording and spirit of the 2nd Amendment.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
I guess I didn't see the link the first time.....
Oops...
Holy fucking shit do articles and the comments section of articles like these make me oh so fucking THANKFUL that I do not live in the USA. I never will, what a fucked up place!
Guns guns guns guns guns guns everywhere, fuck that shit.
Seriously, fuck. that. shit. What a horrible place to live.
The Militia Act REQUIRES members of the militia to own a military-grade firearm.
Could you quote the relevant part of the act? I'm familiar with "all males are militia" definition, but it's the first time I hear about the requirements.
I wouldn't call the AOW/SBS/SBR rules "sensible". As it is, an AR with 14-inch barrel is an SBR, and a 16-inch Tavor is not, even though the latter is significantly shorter than the former. If the point is to prevent overly concealable weapons, then only the overall length should matter.
And don't even get me started on the whole classification mess. Do you know, for example, that Mossberg JIC - the one with a pistol grip and no stock - is not a shotgun? Because shotgun is defined by law as a firearm designed to be fired when shouldered, so it needs a stock. It's not a pistol, either - a pistol is designed to be fired from one hand, and you need two hands for a pump. So it's an unclassified generic "firearm". Shorten the barrel, and it becomes an AOW (but not an SBS!). But if you take a regular Mossy with a rifle stock, replace that with a pistol grip, and then shorten it, then you get an SBS (because it started its life with a stock and therefore is a "shotgun"). It's a mess.
Has first hand experience with how having a gun is NOT effective in most self defense cases. He's also a comic genius.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fP3HJVp3n9c
For a technical crowd, it's funny how we selectively use our technical educations...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_decompression#Bullets_cause_explosive_decompression
Thank you for your commitment.
We are all so much safer.
Our founding fathers do not roll over in their graves at your efforts.
Sure, the ATF could change anything they like, but are unlikely to do so without a mandate from elected officials.
An outright ban on homemade firearms would definitely trigger a SCOTUS eligible case. The ATF and anti-gunners do not want that until the SCOTUS deck can be stacked with more liberal judges.
Why do you assume the ATF is against gun ownership?
They are using a cnc mill that is pre-programmed to complete what is known as an 80% lower. Basically machining a few cutouts and such to "complete" the lower.
I dunno what's sillier - making a hue and cry about "3D printed guns!" or the fact this piece of aluminum with holes in it is worthy of being classified as a firearm.
Not.
#JeSuisCharlie
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These dumb arses. They don't give a rotund rodents rectum who gets hurt. Glad I don't live in the USA
I'm a member of CATI and a resident of Austin who has found these open-carry walks to be completely uneventful. The most notable thing that's ever happened to me? Some old hippie called me an asshole -- as he walked by me, going the other direction. Big deal. But geez, we're engaging in political activity, reasonably well dressed (I try to be pretty well dressed every time), carrying a couple of flags, and almost every single comment from or interaction with onlookers has been positive. We drop by the coffee place on South Congress, and sometimes visit a couple of restaurants to eat, pile the rifles in a corner, and order food. Sometimes liberals calls the police on us and allege that we are being aggressive, and they duly show up, say hi to us, and leave. Austin police have been surprisingly professional in this regard.
Now, the 3D printing thing wasn't my idea, but I figure that after a little machine moves around for a good while and a chunk of metal or plastic comes out (I believe they're going to print an AR-15 lower), the world will not come to an end, nothing will explode, no children or innocent onlookers will be shot.... Really, nothing will happen, except that maybe a few people will be made to realize that the feds are intruding into our lives way too much. Now, Slashdot readers are notoriously liberal, so if you don't see the danger of impending communism here in the U.S., then I don't know what else to say, but remember that Germany was a surprisingly modern and enlightened place when Hitler was elected.
Consider the drug war. Oops, if you haven't lived in South Texas, maybe you don't know about the Constitution-free zones, or the rampant police corruption, or any of the other "benefits" of the drug war. Then let's consider the recent militarization of the police. Look the statistics up for yourself, since you won't believe them coming from me, I'm sure. But remember, cops almost never ever get indicted for killing people in cold blood, just because they can. Just because they are better than we are, and need to make it home to their families at night so they can turn around and do the same thing tomorrow. Ah, but you are probably blissfully ignorant of all of this going on around you.
Problems like that are what we're trying to change. Not everyone will agree with our methods, but we're really not bad guys for the most part. There are a few self-promoters in the mix, but I suppose that every group has those.
When a massacre happens, such as yesterday in Paris or in at any school in the USA or just when a politician is shot in the face:
Gun activist say: "It wasn't gun owners!!!"
Religious Aplogists say: "It weren't Muslims!!!"
But as a journalist said this morning in the post:
" It's war, but only one side is shooting."
-- 29A the number of the Beast
its mostly down to google being slow at getting updates out to makers. even some of its own most popular nexus devices still have no image for update, if tney cannot be arsed with their own kit, that is meant to get updates asap, such as nexus 7 lte, then they are going to being doing the same to device makers. does not help take up that early updaters had problems with lp 5.0,and needed sorting very quickly into lp 5.1..
Tell that to the mother of the two year old who played in mom's purse...oh, you cannot because the loaded and concealed weapon fired and killed the gun owner (mom). Guns in public are an incredibly safety hazard, especially with the legislation in some areas where murderers walk free claiming they "felt threatened". There is no limit on what the threats would be. If a loud car stereo is reason enough so might be an ugly christmas sweater or a baseball cap of the wrong team. Guns are designed to kill efficiently and with little effort. Why should it be fine to carry something that lethal around? And what does fall under "arms"? Smallpox virus? Enriched uranium? A canister of mustard gas? If anyone has these things in public they get instantly arrested and thrown in jail, but not for being a trigger happy concealed firearms fanatic? What the hell is wrong with this country???