"It gets more interesting if the direction of origin is some other galaxy."
*galaxy*? Surely a nearby star would be far more interesting...
galactic distances are surely just too much for detecting artificial signals... and not so bloody useful "well we've detected artificial radio signals from the andromeda galaxy" is a lot less interesting than the same sentence only replace 'andromeda galaxy' with 'stars in the local group'
"Actually the inverse square law holds for any thing with a initial fixed density that propagates from a point source."
Ok heres a question, now I have no physics training but I was wondering if the inverse square law is connected to the rate of growth of the surface area of a sphere as its radius increases?
Ie; a signal becomes dissipated over the surface of its spherical expansion shell or whatever other technobabble is relevent...
thanks!
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Yeah but if only editors (vi or emacs in my case) had a 'fold away the comments' mode; in many cases in order to find whats actually configured, its easier to just;
grep -v "^#\|^$"/etc/apache/httpd.conf
so that I can see the woods through the trees so to speak.
FUD was invented in bibilcal times; what do you think the bible is all about?
A nameless, faceless god, a devil of uncertain pedigree, claims and counterclaims about unfortunate events and terrible but poorly defined possibilities, and in the middle, humanity trying to decide what to believe.
"I suppose you may believe it was actually just a talking snake."
I beleive that the 'talking snake' is a representation of the Hebrew concept of 'yetzir hara' or the 'will to evil' present in all of us and which tempts us to do evil and which we can, wilfuly, ignore if we so choose (IIRC).
It frequently amazes me how little Christians know of Hebrew philosophy and culture.
"You clearly have your interpretation ready-made. In this way man has always made the Bible mean what he wants it to mean."
If you want to take the bible as meaning just what it says, I recommend starting with the second book of Kings, chapter two. The bit about God sending bears to kill children for offending a prophet.
"As you have already proven, you are a non-believer so no sense in trying to get you to understand."
In true monotheist fashion, I am, of course a non-believer since I don't believe exactly what you believe. This is the curse of monotheism; its extremely difficult to be a monotheist and be tolerant of divergent beliefs. You wouldn't be following your faith if you were tolerant.
"Oddly, many Satanists don't believe in Satan at all!"
uh, so what makes them Satanists?
"They call themselves Satanists to mentally divorce themselves from what they believe to be disempowering indoctrination."
and that doesn't count.
I bet that virtually all of these people have been intensively exposed to christianity and its surrounding mythos.
They probably believe that Satan is the 'Prince of Darkness' in the same sense (and perhaps to the same degree) that they believe that 'Jesus is Lord'.
Satanism requires Christianity; because the Satan character only exists in Christian mythology.
Interestingly, Satan exists only in relatively recent Christian mythology as well, largely due to certain, rather late, translations of the bible.
Judaism has nothing remotely resembling a devil character whatsoever (unless you count that thing (can't remember the name) who recounts to God all the wicked things you did when you are up for judgement).
Islam has a kind of satan like figure (Iblis or shaitan), but in essence this character is on the level of humans, not a fallen angel (its a Djinn; created by God from fire just as humans were created from clay).
Zoroastrianism has a devil like character, but its power and nature is exactly equal to that of the good god character.
The so-called 'pagan' religions of Europe had nothing like the Devil; for the most part they hac a trickster character (eg Loki). But that nothing like the Devil.
What I would like to know, mistranslations aside, is where did the modern Christian notion of the Devil come from? Did it arise out of the collective guilt complex of Christianity? Or was it deliberately concocted as a means of social control?
Because it (the devil) is a novel concept in the context of the mythologies of the regions which gave rise to Christianity.
I think that modern christianity needs a devil to keep its congregation under control.
"The point is not that there should be all lawyers be executed and everyone else spend 10 years learning how to be lawyers, but that lawyers should not be necessary. Laws should be clear, simple and brief - otherwise how can the general population be expected not to break them to start with?"
I remember reading an account by someone living in.. ummm what is variously called 'the holy land', 'palestine', and 'israel' at around the time of Christ.
His comment was that the Law (referring to the Jewish Tora law) was so complex that its only concievable purpose was the employment it provided; people had to visit (and pay) a specialist just to figure out if it was Lawful to open a bakery nextdoor to a laundry (my example).
Given that most Linux sysadmins go "ewww yuck! microsoft!" when asked to do some work on a windows machine, and most Windows sysadmins go "ewww yuck! linux!" when asked to do some work on a Linux machine, there is obviously some profit to be made by those that can work with both without making pansy "ewwww yuck!" noises.
:)
Theres a point at which anal retentive pedantry stops paying off.
"This is the dumbest thing I've read in a *long* time. Hardware is *far* from useless, even long after it's been "obsoleted". It's only the silly gamerz that require the latest and greatest... most people get by with fairly modest equipment. Heck, my firewall ran on a 486 DX/100"
And if you run debian woody (stable) you have to use old hardware!
"but I think with these kinds of cases going around the block, I would like to be one! Lawyers are the only ones who profit from these hyped up dramas!"
These sortso f cases happen *because* of lawyers.
You don't think that some normal human being wakes up one morning and thinks "I know, I'll sue my customers" or something like that?
No. They are badgered, pestered and decieved by lawyers to start lawsuits so that lawyers will make a profit.
Lawyers will even encourage action when they themselves won't benefit; so long as someone in the Brotherhood of Lawyers benefits its all good for them.
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"It gets more interesting if the direction of origin is some other galaxy."
*galaxy*? Surely a nearby star would be far more interesting...
galactic distances are surely just too much for detecting artificial signals... and not so bloody useful "well we've detected artificial radio signals from the andromeda galaxy" is a lot less interesting than the same sentence only replace 'andromeda galaxy' with 'stars in the local group'
"Actually the inverse square law holds for any thing with a initial fixed density that propagates from a point source."
Ok heres a question, now I have no physics training but I was wondering if the inverse square law is connected to the rate of growth of the surface area of a sphere as its radius increases?
Ie; a signal becomes dissipated over the surface of its spherical expansion shell or whatever other technobabble is relevent...
thanks!
Yeah but if only editors (vi or emacs in my case) had a 'fold away the comments' mode; in many cases in order to find whats actually configured, its easier to just;
/etc/apache/httpd.conf
grep -v "^#\|^$"
so that I can see the woods through the trees so to speak.
Comments arn't always good.
"IBM Invented FUD in the 1980's."
FUD was invented in bibilcal times; what do you think the bible is all about?
A nameless, faceless god, a devil of uncertain pedigree, claims and counterclaims about unfortunate events and terrible but poorly defined possibilities, and in the middle, humanity trying to decide what to believe.
And the girls who use them could sell them secondhand to geeks at a *huge* markup!
"I suppose you may believe it was actually just a talking snake."
I beleive that the 'talking snake' is a representation of the Hebrew concept of 'yetzir hara' or the 'will to evil' present in all of us and which tempts us to do evil and which we can, wilfuly, ignore if we so choose (IIRC).
It frequently amazes me how little Christians know of Hebrew philosophy and culture.
"You clearly have your interpretation ready-made. In this way man has always made the Bible mean what he wants it to mean."
If you want to take the bible as meaning just what it says, I recommend starting with the second book of Kings, chapter two. The bit about God sending bears to kill children for offending a prophet.
"As you have already proven, you are a non-believer so no sense in trying to get you to understand."
In true monotheist fashion, I am, of course a non-believer since I don't believe exactly what you believe. This is the curse of monotheism; its extremely difficult to be a monotheist and be tolerant of divergent beliefs. You wouldn't be following your faith if you were tolerant.
I do believe though. Look more closely at my sig.
The snake represents the 'yetzir hara'. Look it up, I recommend it for christians.
'Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle wrote a short novel, Inferno"
:)
Yes I read that one. Great story. I especially liked the merging of the Boddhisatva myth and the rather, uh, 'catholic' setting.
"In the book of Job, he is the character that tests Job."
Gak! That was supposed to be a teaching story! There aren't any other references to the character in that sense anywhere else!
The rest of them are usually mistranslations of characterisations intended to refer to human mischiefs and schemers, not supernatural entities.
"Oddly, many Satanists don't believe in Satan at all!"
uh, so what makes them Satanists?
"They call themselves Satanists to mentally divorce themselves from what they believe to be disempowering indoctrination."
and that doesn't count.
I bet that virtually all of these people have been intensively exposed to christianity and its surrounding mythos.
They probably believe that Satan is the 'Prince of Darkness' in the same sense (and perhaps to the same degree) that they believe that 'Jesus is Lord'.
"BTW, the link goes to the 1990-2000 list, where's the 2003 list?"
...
Even the very titles of the books on the 2003 list are so vile that they are censored and forever banned!
Thats why; I mean what would be the point of a list like;
1. The CENSORED of CENSORED
2. CENSORED for CENSORED at CENSORED house
and so forth.
huh?
Satanism requires Christianity; because the Satan character only exists in Christian mythology.
Interestingly, Satan exists only in relatively recent Christian mythology as well, largely due to certain, rather late, translations of the bible.
Judaism has nothing remotely resembling a devil character whatsoever (unless you count that thing (can't remember the name) who recounts to God all the wicked things you did when you are up for judgement).
Islam has a kind of satan like figure (Iblis or shaitan), but in essence this character is on the level of humans, not a fallen angel (its a Djinn; created by God from fire just as humans were created from clay).
Zoroastrianism has a devil like character, but its power and nature is exactly equal to that of the good god character.
The so-called 'pagan' religions of Europe had nothing like the Devil; for the most part they hac a trickster character (eg Loki). But that nothing like the Devil.
What I would like to know, mistranslations aside, is where did the modern Christian notion of the Devil come from? Did it arise out of the collective guilt complex of Christianity? Or was it deliberately concocted as a means of social control?
Because it (the devil) is a novel concept in the context of the mythologies of the regions which gave rise to Christianity.
I think that modern christianity needs a devil to keep its congregation under control.
"or offer your daughters to your visitors from far places."
:)
Hmmmm could I count on that sort of Christian hospitality in the Mid West? I'm from a far place!
so, uh, what sort of orbit, planet size etc do you need for an orbital speed exceeding c?
"The difficult bit is enforcing them."
:-/
Since Jesus exhorts us to love, isn't this why we have 'hate crimes'?
"The point is not that there should be all lawyers be executed and everyone else spend 10 years learning how to be lawyers, but that lawyers should not be necessary. Laws should be clear, simple and brief - otherwise how can the general population be expected not to break them to start with?"
I remember reading an account by someone living in.. ummm what is variously called 'the holy land', 'palestine', and 'israel' at around the time of Christ.
His comment was that the Law (referring to the Jewish Tora law) was so complex that its only concievable purpose was the employment it provided; people had to visit (and pay) a specialist just to figure out if it was Lawful to open a bakery nextdoor to a laundry (my example).
Given that most Linux sysadmins go "ewww yuck! microsoft!" when asked to do some work on a windows machine, and most Windows sysadmins go "ewww yuck! linux!" when asked to do some work on a Linux machine, there is obviously some profit to be made by those that can work with both without making pansy "ewwww yuck!" noises.
:)
Theres a point at which anal retentive pedantry stops paying off.
"This is the dumbest thing I've read in a *long* time. Hardware is *far* from useless, even long after it's been "obsoleted". It's only the silly gamerz that require the latest and greatest... most people get by with fairly modest equipment. Heck, my firewall ran on a 486 DX/100"
:-P
And if you run debian woody (stable) you have to use old hardware!
"I hate Illinois Nazis."
So if you beat someone up for being an Illinois Nazi, that would be a hate crime, right?
"It would be as if all dog turds suddenly came with little red flags so you wouldn't step in them any more"
Better yet, come up with a dogfood which makes their shit glow in the dark, that way you won't step on them even at night!
good plan!
aquateen hunger force is a cartoon on adult swim (cartoon network). Its great fun
"but I think with these kinds of cases going around the block, I would like to be one! Lawyers are the only ones who profit from these hyped up dramas!"
These sortso f cases happen *because* of lawyers.
You don't think that some normal human being wakes up one morning and thinks "I know, I'll sue my customers" or something like that?
No. They are badgered, pestered and decieved by lawyers to start lawsuits so that lawyers will make a profit.
Lawyers will even encourage action when they themselves won't benefit; so long as someone in the Brotherhood of Lawyers benefits its all good for them.
"Tell us all, have you ever actually kissed a woman?"
Are you implying that I'm gay??
Because I'm straight. Teeth are for gay people. Why do you think fairies come for them?
"and of course you wouldn't believe any that you did see."
:-/
Sorry. Mod me troll, someone.
Obscure Aquateenhungerforce references obviously don't count as funny.