I remember watching those 5 pixels clumped together and my brain automatically interpreting them as a human face.
Back then, you had 5 pixels for a face on a console, or 1 big square for an entire human if you were going to use a home computer.
On a related topic, if I could go back in time to stun myself, I think the one thing I'd really want to do is fire up a game of space quest 2 in a DOS Box, make it run full screen, and show my self from the past that screen... Just when my old self would start playing the game, I'd like to switch onto my current desktop at ultra high resolution, put on a movie and start watching it.
I'm sure Netscape and Sun didn't care either, until Microsoft took them out of the market.
I know this is an age long dispute, but no, I do not think I'm insulting Adobe's execs. Why? because they are intelligent enough that they know they have to maintain a good level of product.
That's why they bought Cool Edit, and turned it into Audition. It's the same shell as before, just the splash screen changed.
My point, the age long point of discussion being that Nutscrape LOST its market, it wasn't run over by microsoft.
Microsoft can not come up with something to topple Photoshop even if it spent 4 years in production. By that token, how come dreamweaver is still around? By your argument, front page should have wiped them off the face of the earth by now.
You know, I'd agree with you, but then again, all there is to this UI is two list boxes. Come on people, how much inovation went into having two listboxes be the discrminating term in a simple SELECT statement.
Sure they've got buttons that look alike, but that's not the millions of dollars of UI research.
I sure do hope they don't get sued over this, because Apple would just be Crapple then.
How do you know ISV's are getting annoyed? Do you go to lunch with ISV's every other day?
Not only are you crudely generalizing, I think your point is actually not sound at all. You think Adobe cares about Microsoft dominating?
The much more plausible explanation is that they (nVidia) already had the drivers/software for the architecture on linux (read previous posts, they bought the card).
Another yet plausible explanation is that drivers are more difficult to implement in Windows (because of kernel mode constraints).
And before people start flaming, I'll tell you right away:
I've written drivers for both. A seg fault in a linux kernel driver will generate a message saying "oops, you segfaulted your kernel", whereas a seg fault, or even an invalid heap memory tag in Windows will instantly halt the system with a blue screen. Don't even get me started about IRQL's in Windows - they are essential for proper SMP multithreading, but really are very difficult to work with.
The real world isn't actually 3D. It's 2D. Our eyes see only the surface of things.
It is nice to be able to use 3D displays to generate depth to display 3D models, but a list box or calendar will always remain a 2D object, even if we have actual 3D display devices, because of the simple fact that we are unable to perceieve inside a closed box - for exactly that reason, traditional real world calendars only display the current month, while all the 3 dimensionned other months sit quietly stacked underneath the top page, neatly hidden from view.
The 2D paradigm that we currently have is actually, IMO, one of the best imitations we could have of our current surrounding 3D world.
I personally think the entry into 3D navigation and GUIs requires 2 revolutions:
First: an escape from current mentality which is very empirical, and thus limits us to only make effective 2D designs while being extremely clumsy for 3D. For example: a list box will forever be 2D, but a 2 column list box can be 3D. Now making it directly 3D is useless, as we've established before, we can't see through the leafs of a calendar. But I am positive there's a clever way to do it... Really, the first thing I'm looking for is the world's first 3D date picker that lets you actually see all three axes (day, month, year) simultaneously.
The second revolution will only come after the first one, or rather, it will only be useful after the first one, and that is proper 3D output devices. I'm thinking 3D monitors at first, but really, the goal is VR goggles or even implants.
I think once those two barriers are crossed, user efficiency is going to go really high.
It's not like searching for vaguely x-rated terms is returning fake listings on an otherwise perfectly healthy porn industry online.
It's more that after the Bang-Bus type sites started popping up around the place, you have hundreds and hundreds of domain names which are just pointers to a 'mother site'.
In that respect, the listing just reflect how shoddy the internet has just become. Fake content is now (an essential) part of the deal.
Are you somehow comparing code complexity of router firmware to that of an OS? Because if you are, that's just absurd.
The reason they flew someone out is probably because they wanted to confirm the situation... it is in their best interest after all.
The reason why Microsoft doesn't fly people out isn't because they don't care, it's because a) you're dealing with software (not firmware) which can submit bug reports, b) reproducing the problem on their servers will most likely work (software is generally platorm/location independant enough to allow for this) c) broken firmware on a router kind of obviously means you likely won't be able to access the firmware remotely.
Don't even get me started on the support microsoft *does* give you when you actually need it (as opposed to when you're a dick-head newbie sysadmin who doesn't know how to setup an exchange server).
If it makes you happy though, wail on Microsoft all you want. We'll (linux/microsoft/mac) users will be rolling our eyes at you while you try and run your desktop using Cisco firmware.
would claim that Plato's forms are part of the underlying abstract structure of the universe.
I don't think Platonists claim that, I think the claim is that ideas exist before-hand, and are mapped into the universe. When you say 'underlying abstract structure', it somehow implies that there is only one 'set' of ideas which are all structurally linked which guide the universe... I disagree with that in that there could be an infinite number of ideas, which form an infinite number of disjoint sets of structure. The mere fact that I can think of a world where gravity would repel instead of attracting is proof enough that that idea exists. Yet it is certainly not linked in any way to our current reality/universe.
That being said, if Math had developed from different axioms, and Pi wasn't found, it wouldn't mean that it doesn't exist since we cannot base our empirical verification to prove the idea exists. Further more, even if the Universe was actually structurally different to the point that Pi didn't have the significance it has for us, it would still exist - just as the idea of a repelling gravity exists in my mind.
I realize that the prize of this cogitation is not mental mind-blowing, but I am also not really satisfied with the logical chain and conclusion that it brings out.
Wow, I was actually excited to read this article when I saw the title, but this guy is a disappointingly bad thinker:
Did the Ruy Lopez exist before its 16th-century namesake started playing it? A Platonist might say it did, as part of an abstract set of all possible chess openings. But chess itself has a finite history. The game originated around the seventh century A.D., and its modern rules became standard in the 15th century, not long before Ruy Lopez de Segura was playing. Platonic ideals are normally defined as timeless, yet in this case they seem also to be historically grounded. The world of abstractions seems to depend on our world.
Does that mean that the number Pi didn't exist before it was discovered? It did, Platonism as he refers to in this article at least, is just stating that fact that that number although not defined (hence taken a particular meaning for us humans) has always existed.
Saying that Pi didn't exist before we noticed it is equivalent to saying that the outter most particles in the universe, the ones propelled by the big bang, don't exist since there's no way for us to reach them (they are moving at the speed of light outward).
Perhaps in some sense, all chess moves, positions and games are "out there," but they have a rather limited existence if nobody plays them. Interestingly, it appears physically impossible for any computer or other material entity ever to store complete information about the game. By some estimates, the number of possible chess games exceeds the number of particles in the universe.
Here's one, the number of different pathways a neural signal can take through the brain is WAY higher than the number of particles in the universe... does that mean we can't form some of these because nobody would be able to count them?
Both of these paragraphs don't add anything to the text, IMHO.
Anyone care to tell me otherwise in a logical manner?
Besides, the local girl he raped might have been a crack addict who sold her mother's clothes to buy drugs... Does that make her less of a victim in the situation? no.
My comment on the quiet hero was because he lived on in that video, showing the rest of us just how fucked up things can get. It was a comment in contrast to the current video at hand which is just some guy commiting suicide... nothing to be proud of, nothing to be ashamed of either... but still media porn in the current situation.
I don't know if you're refering to the guy getting his adam's apple cut... But I saw that one too, and it haunted me for months.
I disagree though in a sense, because it did not desensitize me, it did quite the opposite: after seeing the 5 billionth article on war in Chechnia, you kinda start thinking these people are just a bunch of anarchists going crazy and throwing rocks around - as media would really like you to believe because of their inherent arrogance (especially U.S. media like fox). Same thing is the case for how we are desensitized from the daily murder that goes on in Israel/Palestine (on both sides) even though we see absolutely no images of horror. It's all cleaned and sanitized...
After seeing that guy get his adam's apple cut, and how he was obviously screeming but only gurgling sounds were coming out, I felt down to my last cell the kind of hatred that was involved in that act, and also the kind of fear that can be exerted on *any* human.
This suicide video is media porn, but that russian soldier was not. I think that soldier (whoever he is) is a quiet hero.
Just to illustrate my point:
The "Truth" that two paralel lines will never intersect is only true in Euclidean geometry. In spherical geometry, that statement is not true.
The terms obvious and 'profound mystical' need a little defining here. I find it pretty damn mystical and profound that the sum from 0 to plus infinity of 1/x diverges. Despite the fact that it gets smaller and smaller.
I find it just as mystical that 1/x^y where y > 1 converges.
I find it a hell of a mystical that 1/xlnx does not converge.
The real problem, I would have answered to the parent, is that a proof is a much more difficult thing than most people think it is: case in example, I've had to prove that 1 was greater than 0 in real analysis exams. That with only the axiom that 1 != 0, and Archimedes' principle (was it Archimedes? it was a long time ago).
Anyways, I remember in class people being clearly disconcerted by the fact that the teacher even asked such a 'bland' question... "what do you mean prove it? It just *IS*..." some shouted.
Well, it ain't. Proof's need to be and are airtight.
I'm going to be modded troll or whatever, but I think what we need is to shut up.
This is such low quality news, it's depressing. It's the kind of news that's formulaic: "what can I write about, oh, I know, let's take an age old thing, like e=mc^2, or Moore's law because computer geeks prefer that one, and then use it to spin story on an age old problem... energy conservation".
yay.
Brilliant really.
Moore's law, and the reason for its brilliance is that the guy was so right... it's that for 30 years, people have been saying it's gonna fall soon, and yet the law still holds invariant, like some forteress somewhere.
That's the brilliance of a law: that it's invariant. You don't make brilliance by adding "oh and this"-exceptions.
IMHO, Moore's law will still not be broken, or even hurt by these energy consumption problems for at least 10 more years (no pun intended). Just check out the new tech they came up with for chip size in water immersion (news from yesterday on/.). There will be revolutions made in power as well... don't you doubt it, no matter what some Wired news reporter would want you to think.
Now here's a typical example of how NASA's oversimplified PR creates misconceptions in thinking people.
I don't know what you understood of my post, but I think you really didn't understand what I tried to express.
My points were:
it seems to me, from the little data available at all on their press site, that the hematite in this crater is not from stagnating water - hence a lake.
they need to put out more scientific information for us to ponder on.
U-turns on alien planets are good for fox news, but are essentially pointless from a scientific news point.
there is also the last point which is: if the entire mission's primary goal was to discover whether there was water or not, and we just found out that, no, that's not a lake, it's a volcano, then that means they have to occupy themselves with 'remains', or secondary scientific objectives. Think of it this way: imagine you go on an expedition in the arctic, you bring your shovel thinking that you're gonna dig some gold out. You get there, find out there's no gold. But in the meantime, you grow very interested in the wildlife surrounding you. It's neat and all, but now you're stuck in the arctic with a shovel and nothing else. So yeah, it's cool we're out there, but our primary objective is over, everything else is collateral.
No one wants to hear [...]"Spirit Finds Another Rock".
While I agree with you, I think it's starting to get old how Spirit woke up today and made it's best drive yet.
On another note, I'm starting to wonder if NASA hasn't already found what it set out to do, and that is to determine whether there was water or not.
In an early press release, they mentionned how finding oliving would indicate that water was not the cause of hematite.
"What are the other materials found with the hematite? Clays and carbonates would indicate there had been water in the area. If the area had been volcanic, you would expect to see other types of minerals like olivine and pyroxene."
Later, it was quickly mentionned, but not at all expanded on that we did end up finding olivine.
One unexpected finding was the Mossbauer spectrometer's detection of a mineral called olivine, which does not survive weathering well. [...]
So I'm starting to wonder, is it actually finished? Do they have nothing left to do?
In any case though, as pointed out even by yourself, Nasa needs to put out some more interesting information... I don't know, raw graphs of surface temperature or _something_ other than friggin "today we performed the first ever U-turn on an alien planet".
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It's like if someone said "Linux 2.4 kernel? Bah, I run RedHat *8*... you are backward."
I don't know if it was, but Contra had that same code.
I remember watching those 5 pixels clumped together and my brain automatically interpreting them as a human face.
Back then, you had 5 pixels for a face on a console, or 1 big square for an entire human if you were going to use a home computer.
On a related topic, if I could go back in time to stun myself, I think the one thing I'd really want to do is fire up a game of space quest 2 in a DOS Box, make it run full screen, and show my self from the past that screen... Just when my old self would start playing the game, I'd like to switch onto my current desktop at ultra high resolution, put on a movie and start watching it.
I *know* my old self would just shit his pants.
I would also like to say: why isn't this story headlined Saviour is now inside the MS VC.NET team! Hurray!
Engineer: ARGGHHH... IT'S ALIIIIIVE... <BANG> <CRACK>
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I know this is an age long dispute, but no, I do not think I'm insulting Adobe's execs. Why? because they are intelligent enough that they know they have to maintain a good level of product.
That's why they bought Cool Edit, and turned it into Audition. It's the same shell as before, just the splash screen changed.
My point, the age long point of discussion being that Nutscrape LOST its market, it wasn't run over by microsoft.
Microsoft can not come up with something to topple Photoshop even if it spent 4 years in production. By that token, how come dreamweaver is still around? By your argument, front page should have wiped them off the face of the earth by now.
Sure they've got buttons that look alike, but that's not the millions of dollars of UI research. I sure do hope they don't get sued over this, because Apple would just be Crapple then.
How do you know ISV's are getting annoyed? Do you go to lunch with ISV's every other day?
Not only are you crudely generalizing, I think your point is actually not sound at all. You think Adobe cares about Microsoft dominating?
The much more plausible explanation is that they (nVidia) already had the drivers/software for the architecture on linux (read previous posts, they bought the card).
Another yet plausible explanation is that drivers are more difficult to implement in Windows (because of kernel mode constraints).
And before people start flaming, I'll tell you right away:
I've written drivers for both. A seg fault in a linux kernel driver will generate a message saying "oops, you segfaulted your kernel", whereas a seg fault, or even an invalid heap memory tag in Windows will instantly halt the system with a blue screen. Don't even get me started about IRQL's in Windows - they are essential for proper SMP multithreading, but really are very difficult to work with.
The real world isn't actually 3D. It's 2D. Our eyes see only the surface of things.
It is nice to be able to use 3D displays to generate depth to display 3D models, but a list box or calendar will always remain a 2D object, even if we have actual 3D display devices, because of the simple fact that we are unable to perceieve inside a closed box - for exactly that reason, traditional real world calendars only display the current month, while all the 3 dimensionned other months sit quietly stacked underneath the top page, neatly hidden from view.
The 2D paradigm that we currently have is actually, IMO, one of the best imitations we could have of our current surrounding 3D world.
I personally think the entry into 3D navigation and GUIs requires 2 revolutions:
First: an escape from current mentality which is very empirical, and thus limits us to only make effective 2D designs while being extremely clumsy for 3D. For example: a list box will forever be 2D, but a 2 column list box can be 3D. Now making it directly 3D is useless, as we've established before, we can't see through the leafs of a calendar. But I am positive there's a clever way to do it... Really, the first thing I'm looking for is the world's first 3D date picker that lets you actually see all three axes (day, month, year) simultaneously.
The second revolution will only come after the first one, or rather, it will only be useful after the first one, and that is proper 3D output devices. I'm thinking 3D monitors at first, but really, the goal is VR goggles or even implants.
I think once those two barriers are crossed, user efficiency is going to go really high.
It's not like searching for vaguely x-rated terms is returning fake listings on an otherwise perfectly healthy porn industry online.
It's more that after the Bang-Bus type sites started popping up around the place, you have hundreds and hundreds of domain names which are just pointers to a 'mother site'.
In that respect, the listing just reflect how shoddy the internet has just become. Fake content is now (an essential) part of the deal.
The reason they flew someone out is probably because they wanted to confirm the situation... it is in their best interest after all.
The reason why Microsoft doesn't fly people out isn't because they don't care, it's because a) you're dealing with software (not firmware) which can submit bug reports, b) reproducing the problem on their servers will most likely work (software is generally platorm/location independant enough to allow for this) c) broken firmware on a router kind of obviously means you likely won't be able to access the firmware remotely.
Don't even get me started on the support microsoft *does* give you when you actually need it (as opposed to when you're a dick-head newbie sysadmin who doesn't know how to setup an exchange server).
If it makes you happy though, wail on Microsoft all you want. We'll (linux/microsoft/mac) users will be rolling our eyes at you while you try and run your desktop using Cisco firmware.
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I don't think Platonists claim that, I think the claim is that ideas exist before-hand, and are mapped into the universe. When you say 'underlying abstract structure', it somehow implies that there is only one 'set' of ideas which are all structurally linked which guide the universe... I disagree with that in that there could be an infinite number of ideas, which form an infinite number of disjoint sets of structure. The mere fact that I can think of a world where gravity would repel instead of attracting is proof enough that that idea exists. Yet it is certainly not linked in any way to our current reality/universe.
That being said, if Math had developed from different axioms, and Pi wasn't found, it wouldn't mean that it doesn't exist since we cannot base our empirical verification to prove the idea exists. Further more, even if the Universe was actually structurally different to the point that Pi didn't have the significance it has for us, it would still exist - just as the idea of a repelling gravity exists in my mind.
I realize that the prize of this cogitation is not mental mind-blowing, but I am also not really satisfied with the logical chain and conclusion that it brings out.
Did the Ruy Lopez exist before its 16th-century namesake started playing it? A Platonist might say it did, as part of an abstract set of all possible chess openings. But chess itself has a finite history. The game originated around the seventh century A.D., and its modern rules became standard in the 15th century, not long before Ruy Lopez de Segura was playing. Platonic ideals are normally defined as timeless, yet in this case they seem also to be historically grounded. The world of abstractions seems to depend on our world.
Does that mean that the number Pi didn't exist before it was discovered? It did, Platonism as he refers to in this article at least, is just stating that fact that that number although not defined (hence taken a particular meaning for us humans) has always existed.
Saying that Pi didn't exist before we noticed it is equivalent to saying that the outter most particles in the universe, the ones propelled by the big bang, don't exist since there's no way for us to reach them (they are moving at the speed of light outward).
Perhaps in some sense, all chess moves, positions and games are "out there," but they have a rather limited existence if nobody plays them. Interestingly, it appears physically impossible for any computer or other material entity ever to store complete information about the game. By some estimates, the number of possible chess games exceeds the number of particles in the universe.
Here's one, the number of different pathways a neural signal can take through the brain is WAY higher than the number of particles in the universe... does that mean we can't form some of these because nobody would be able to count them?
Both of these paragraphs don't add anything to the text, IMHO.
Anyone care to tell me otherwise in a logical manner?
He himself is not the hero.
Besides, the local girl he raped might have been a crack addict who sold her mother's clothes to buy drugs... Does that make her less of a victim in the situation? no.
My comment on the quiet hero was because he lived on in that video, showing the rest of us just how fucked up things can get. It was a comment in contrast to the current video at hand which is just some guy commiting suicide... nothing to be proud of, nothing to be ashamed of either... but still media porn in the current situation.
I disagree though in a sense, because it did not desensitize me, it did quite the opposite: after seeing the 5 billionth article on war in Chechnia, you kinda start thinking these people are just a bunch of anarchists going crazy and throwing rocks around - as media would really like you to believe because of their inherent arrogance (especially U.S. media like fox). Same thing is the case for how we are desensitized from the daily murder that goes on in Israel/Palestine (on both sides) even though we see absolutely no images of horror. It's all cleaned and sanitized...
After seeing that guy get his adam's apple cut, and how he was obviously screeming but only gurgling sounds were coming out, I felt down to my last cell the kind of hatred that was involved in that act, and also the kind of fear that can be exerted on *any* human.
This suicide video is media porn, but that russian soldier was not. I think that soldier (whoever he is) is a quiet hero.
So truth is dependant on reality.
The terms obvious and 'profound mystical' need a little defining here. I find it pretty damn mystical and profound that the sum from 0 to plus infinity of 1/x diverges. Despite the fact that it gets smaller and smaller.
I find it just as mystical that 1/x^y where y > 1 converges.
I find it a hell of a mystical that 1/xlnx does not converge.
The real problem, I would have answered to the parent, is that a proof is a much more difficult thing than most people think it is: case in example, I've had to prove that 1 was greater than 0 in real analysis exams. That with only the axiom that 1 != 0, and Archimedes' principle (was it Archimedes? it was a long time ago).
Anyways, I remember in class people being clearly disconcerted by the fact that the teacher even asked such a 'bland' question... "what do you mean prove it? It just *IS*..." some shouted.
Well, it ain't. Proof's need to be and are airtight.
Have you ever taken Philosophy 101?
I'm not laboring anywhere. I'm not even going to try to explain this truism to you.
Just a word of advice though, once you have taken Phil 101, go take pure math 101 (Say real analysis). Knowledge != Proof.
Idiot of an AC.
those two things are as seperate as "Truth" and "Reality" (not that that's an analogy for the words).
Shiny though.
This is such low quality news, it's depressing. It's the kind of news that's formulaic: "what can I write about, oh, I know, let's take an age old thing, like e=mc^2, or Moore's law because computer geeks prefer that one, and then use it to spin story on an age old problem ... energy conservation".
yay.
Brilliant really.
Moore's law, and the reason for its brilliance is that the guy was so right... it's that for 30 years, people have been saying it's gonna fall soon, and yet the law still holds invariant, like some forteress somewhere.
That's the brilliance of a law: that it's invariant. You don't make brilliance by adding "oh and this"-exceptions.
IMHO, Moore's law will still not be broken, or even hurt by these energy consumption problems for at least 10 more years (no pun intended). Just check out the new tech they came up with for chip size in water immersion (news from yesterday on /.). There will be revolutions made in power as well... don't you doubt it, no matter what some Wired news reporter would want you to think.
I don't know what you understood of my post, but I think you really didn't understand what I tried to express.
My points were:
it seems to me, from the little data available at all on their press site, that the hematite in this crater is not from stagnating water - hence a lake.
they need to put out more scientific information for us to ponder on.
U-turns on alien planets are good for fox news, but are essentially pointless from a scientific news point.
there is also the last point which is: if the entire mission's primary goal was to discover whether there was water or not, and we just found out that, no, that's not a lake, it's a volcano, then that means they have to occupy themselves with 'remains', or secondary scientific objectives. Think of it this way: imagine you go on an expedition in the arctic, you bring your shovel thinking that you're gonna dig some gold out. You get there, find out there's no gold. But in the meantime, you grow very interested in the wildlife surrounding you. It's neat and all, but now you're stuck in the arctic with a shovel and nothing else. So yeah, it's cool we're out there, but our primary objective is over, everything else is collateral.
While I agree with you, I think it's starting to get old how Spirit woke up today and made it's best drive yet.
On another note, I'm starting to wonder if NASA hasn't already found what it set out to do, and that is to determine whether there was water or not.
In an early press release, they mentionned how finding oliving would indicate that water was not the cause of hematite.
"What are the other materials found with the hematite? Clays and carbonates would indicate there had been water in the area. If the area had been volcanic, you would expect to see other types of minerals like olivine and pyroxene."
Later, it was quickly mentionned, but not at all expanded on that we did end up finding olivine.
One unexpected finding was the Mossbauer spectrometer's detection of a mineral called olivine, which does not survive weathering well. [...]
So I'm starting to wonder, is it actually finished? Do they have nothing left to do?
In any case though, as pointed out even by yourself, Nasa needs to put out some more interesting information... I don't know, raw graphs of surface temperature or _something_ other than friggin "today we performed the first ever U-turn on an alien planet".
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If you've read any of the honey pot related articles around here, it's not surprising at all that you got infected that fast.