Rich points out that many of the key members of the key IETF working groups also sit on the board of SIPfoundry.
The rest is just a bit of marketing speak - basically an advert with some generalised statements about where SIP is going and why SIPfoundry is better than Asterisk.
El-Reg put it down to a conflict between a standards group (SIPfoundry) and a "fleet-footed" application development group (Asterisk)... as we've all seen the standards always win over the latest bells and whistles!
I do use Opera (regularly) as I develop web pages. I just don't use it as my primary. It may now be quicker than it was 18 months ago, but I moved away for speed and the benefits of FF have stopped me going back.
I like Opera zooming and the idea of integrated mail. Also the built in gestures (which I could have but don't have in FF) were nice. I like the way images can be dragged in Opera and the better caching control. I don't like the ads and lots of the plug-ins for FF don't appear to have mirrors in Opera.
Thanks for pointing that out. Why are people so near-sighted on these things?
In life things are never as simple as they appear.
It's not even just the benefit payments [aka "welfare" in the USA], think of all those tiers of management that cream their wages off before the poor unemployed get their crust. Unemployment benefits I imagine are extremely inefficient... it's not _just_ corruption that drives government to pay huge companies to keep plants open.
Your $8 saving may cost $2 in welfare, but that $2 of welfare might (I don't know, clearly!!) cost $7 extra to facilitate.
Then there's the knock on effect to other businesses, etc..
I don't think Star Wars was _the_ emotional highlight for me but it's what the art inspires - that would be my rebuff.
Star Wars was at at least 2 of my birthday parties - they were big events as my Dad borrowed top-loading beta-max (IIRC) video players from his school! But those movies inspired countless hours of light-saber wielding blaster-imitating playground fun... even on the school bus [jetting off in my X-wing] I was being effected by Star Wars.
Friends that had the AT-ATs and Millenium Falcon [toys] were cool friends too...
Whatever's up with Nagaro's comp is up with mine too.
FF is quite slow for me on Slackware 10 (2.6.x).. but it's far from being the resource hog that Opera was when I was last using it as my primary browser (at least 18 months ago). I find FF quite weighty on WinXP too - but then I generally use it with several extensions (eg webdev toolbar) which probably account for that.
Slack runs on a 1.1Gig Athlon; XP on a 2+Gig Celeron (would you believe I can't recall the processor speed - shocking!!).
The copyright situation is such that for TV broadcasts in the UK the only acceptable use of a 'video' recording is for time shifting - making a library of shows (even for private use) is illegal.
Presumably, the BBC is attempting to enforce the copyright status-quo. I'll be interested to see what copyright information is given to viewers.
Strangely I've never heard of anyone who video-taped a show deleting it immediately that they had viewed it. I'm sure it would be the downfall of the audio-visual entertainment industry if we kept watching tapes over again....
Yes, sorry I wasn't clear there. I was trying to refute the comparison of the "cost of MS Win as being equal to the cost of computer hardware" as being high and peculiar to India.
I have no doubt that I am privileged to enjoy a greater annual income than most indians. I do sometimes doubt who has the better lifestyle.
My first computer, an ex-demo bargain in about year 2000 cost a months wage. Two-thirds of the relative cost that you quote.
Is that supposed to be a serious comment? Or perhaps a troll?
I'm in a biting mood tonight.
Wouldn't a communist regime require equal treatment of the workers. So, no £100k execs, but all the workers - down to the toilet cleaners - getting equal.
If that was the case, I'd be alot happier about paying my license fee. Last I heard, the DirGen gets about £400,000/$750,000 (Greg Dyke got about a half-million just for leaving!) whilst the lowest paid get about £12k/$23k.
What's that bit they show between programs called again... yeah, not all trailers are adverts I suppose. But what about the bit before the trailer, you know "buy the latest BBC book by the presenter of the previous show".
How about programs like Johnathon Ross... it's just a long advert for hollywood films, stage shows, TV programs, books... guests go on and plug their latest commercial efforts. It's blatant and benefits the "guests" financially.
Oh, and does anyone know who gets all the money from BBC magazines, videos, etc.? Does it all go straight back to the license fee bucket or are the magazines sub-contracted to Reed-Elsevier or someone?
Sorry, but that is just plain wrong.
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>>>"why the quality of everything the BBC produces is of the highest caliber"
Now, I watch my share of telly including a lot of American shows, Friends, ER, Simpsons, StarTrek.
We get some good stuff from the BBC. But a lot of guff too.
Why-o-why did the BBC have to pay millions, for example, to get a sports show (Saturday night footie) when the same footie was already on TV on a commercial station.
Tell me how that sparks creativity - other than some £10 million footballer having to find creative ways to spend his oodles of cash??
BBC have some good points. But they often seem to think they are a commercial station - the management must be getting paid too much!
>>>"It's comparable to the actual price of the desktop"
It's the same in the UK. I can buy a computer, printer and TFT monitor cheaper than getting WinXP w/ Office.
From PCWorld.co.uk (the biggest UK high street computer store): WinXP Home = £160 (web exclusive!!), MS Office XP = £306, total = £466.
Same store, # 2.4GHz Intel Celeron Processor # 15" TFT Monitor # Epson C46 Colour Desktop Printer # 256Mb RAM # 40Gb Hard Disk # 4 USB connections # CD-ROM Drive # Intel Extreme Graphics # Windows XP Home Edition # Media Suite 04 Software
Total price £400.
So, what was that you were saying about windows being comparable to the cost of the desktop? I know I twisted it slightly, but MS Windows is _expensive_. And for reference, that £400 is a 24th my annual before tax income.
I know, you can get MS Win cheaper, cheapest Home Edition I can find (legally) is about £60. But then I can buy a full computer system for £200 (ebuyer.co.uk) too. And I'd have to argue that Office software is an essential part of a cheap computer system.
It's OK, it's just a cheap way to R&D
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Some top exec thought it was too hard to do his own R&D and so 'commissioned' a minion to create a website getting 'stupid Linux zealots' to do his work.
When he has the killer apps he needs, he shuts the site [possibly leaves the BBC?] and patents the ideas.
Profit! Either from huge performance bonus (paid in part by me!) or by patent royalties (which I don't expect I'll see a penny of).
I can't believe that any "PC" tech who has been working more than a year or so hasn't installed Linux. Not even Knoppix? Are you living under a rock? No, I've got it... it's your first day here!?!
As soon as I heard of it (about 6 years ago) I had to have a go, installing Slackware from diskette on an IBM thinkpad (Pentium-S, the S is for Slow I think!). IF only because I fancied messing about with partitions and seeing if I could reinstall windows.
As far as career development goes I'd have thought some *nix|*BSD|MacOSX experience was essential.
But hey, no-one offered me a job so I s'pose I got it bass-ackwards.
Seriously I'm not trying to offend but I can't actually believe I saw your post on Slashdot.
If schools are saving 24% of their computing costs, I imagine that UK-wide we can afford more teachers.
If the utility of the computers is not affected then I'd say this is certainly to the benefit of the pupils.
Of course for support on OSS you'd probably pay more as the skills are rarer. The costs here should decrease as OSS becomes more prevalent. Indeed I'd imagine that the geeks in any school could administer the network in a couple of years given the right guidance.
>>>" Are you a Santa Claus agnostic, or a Santa Claus atheist?"
I have strong evidence to suggest that Santa Claus is a legend based on a real human being. There's also strong evidence to suggest that Santa Claus (the fat present-delivering dude) is a story used by parents to stop their children from getting the wintertime blues. So I believe in Santa Claus (the person) but not in Santa Claus the legend. HTH.
Tell me about your dragon, I suspect you are lying. Circumstantial evidence is against the existence of dragons (though there appearance on the Welsh flag and in oriental art is intriguing), perhaps you could bolster your position with a photograph.
In my view (which I reckon you think is baloney!!) it's important to know the limitations of scientific theory.
Take the statement: "Everyone knows the Earth revolves around the Sun".
Do they, surely that's just a simplification based on how the math[s] works. One could couch things in terms of a fixed Earth (isn't that what Einsteins inertial frames of reference lead us to) but it makes the maths harder. How does that make it 'true'?
Evolution may be falsifiable, and as yet un-falsified. But does that make it true. What about brane theory. Is that true, a theory, a belief? Should brane theory be taught to students, or should you instead teach the 'truth' of the superstrings.
Then there's particle physics, do electrons exist as point particles? Does any physicist actually believe the electron conforms to current standard models. Sure, it's a useful description, but whether you think it describes our reality or not - that's belief.
You get the jist...?
PS: Apollo's chariot may be the mechanism for solar movement, but no-one has ever seen it -- of course we prefer to believe in gravity now-a-days... mediated by particles that no-one has ever seen.
PPS: Sorry I've used physics examples as I'm most comfortable with them. They still serve for the purposes of the discussion, I feel.
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So, which is it?
... I have my suspicions (as I don't think a programmed item can be truly random).
Is it chaotic or is it random (or maybe arbitrary??)
My head hurts.
How about this for a summary ...
The rest is just a bit of marketing speak - basically an advert with some generalised statements about where SIP is going and why SIPfoundry is better than Asterisk.
El-Reg put it down to a conflict between a standards group (SIPfoundry) and a "fleet-footed" application development group (Asterisk) ... as we've all seen the standards always win over the latest bells and whistles!
Oh, wait! ...
w00t!
I'm making assumptions here ...
...
But, just in case
I do use Opera (regularly) as I develop web pages. I just don't use it as my primary. It may now be quicker than it was 18 months ago, but I moved away for speed and the benefits of FF have stopped me going back.
I like Opera zooming and the idea of integrated mail. Also the built in gestures (which I could have but don't have in FF) were nice. I like the way images can be dragged in Opera and the better caching control. I don't like the ads and lots of the plug-ins for FF don't appear to have mirrors in Opera.
Just thought I'd mention it.
Thanks for pointing that out. Why are people so near-sighted on these things?
... it's not _just_ corruption that drives government to pay huge companies to keep plants open.
In life things are never as simple as they appear.
It's not even just the benefit payments [aka "welfare" in the USA], think of all those tiers of management that cream their wages off before the poor unemployed get their crust. Unemployment benefits I imagine are extremely inefficient
Your $8 saving may cost $2 in welfare, but that $2 of welfare might (I don't know, clearly!!) cost $7 extra to facilitate.
Then there's the knock on effect to other businesses, etc..
I don't think Star Wars was _the_ emotional highlight for me but it's what the art inspires - that would be my rebuff.
... even on the school bus [jetting off in my X-wing] I was being effected by Star Wars.
...
Star Wars was at at least 2 of my birthday parties - they were big events as my Dad borrowed top-loading beta-max (IIRC) video players from his school! But those movies inspired countless hours of light-saber wielding blaster-imitating playground fun
Friends that had the AT-ATs and Millenium Falcon [toys] were cool friends too
So I can sort of see what people are getting at.
DoB - 1976.
Whatever's up with Nagaro's comp is up with mine too.
.. but it's far from being the resource hog that Opera was when I was last using it as my primary browser (at least 18 months ago). I find FF quite weighty on WinXP too - but then I generally use it with several extensions (eg webdev toolbar) which probably account for that.
FF is quite slow for me on Slackware 10 (2.6.x)
Slack runs on a 1.1Gig Athlon; XP on a 2+Gig Celeron (would you believe I can't recall the processor speed - shocking!!).
The copyright situation is such that for TV broadcasts in the UK the only acceptable use of a 'video' recording is for time shifting - making a library of shows (even for private use) is illegal.
....
Presumably, the BBC is attempting to enforce the copyright status-quo. I'll be interested to see what copyright information is given to viewers.
Strangely I've never heard of anyone who video-taped a show deleting it immediately that they had viewed it. I'm sure it would be the downfall of the audio-visual entertainment industry if we kept watching tapes over again
Sorry if I was inflammatory, it was late...
Yes, sorry I wasn't clear there. I was trying to refute the comparison of the "cost of MS Win as being equal to the cost of computer hardware" as being high and peculiar to India.
I have no doubt that I am privileged to enjoy a greater annual income than most indians. I do sometimes doubt who has the better lifestyle.
My first computer, an ex-demo bargain in about year 2000 cost a months wage. Two-thirds of the relative cost that you quote.
[25000 Rs = £310 = $580 BTW].
That's it, there is no other bit!
Is that supposed to be a serious comment? Or perhaps a troll?
I'm in a biting mood tonight.
Wouldn't a communist regime require equal treatment of the workers. So, no £100k execs, but all the workers - down to the toilet cleaners - getting equal.
If that was the case, I'd be alot happier about paying my license fee. Last I heard, the DirGen gets about £400,000/$750,000 (Greg Dyke got about a half-million just for leaving!) whilst the lowest paid get about £12k/$23k.
That most certainly is not communism!
What's that bit they show between programs called again ... yeah, not all trailers are adverts I suppose. But what about the bit before the trailer, you know "buy the latest BBC book by the presenter of the previous show".
... it's just a long advert for hollywood films, stage shows, TV programs, books ... guests go on and plug their latest commercial efforts. It's blatant and benefits the "guests" financially.
How about programs like Johnathon Ross
Oh, and does anyone know who gets all the money from BBC magazines, videos, etc.? Does it all go straight back to the license fee bucket or are the magazines sub-contracted to Reed-Elsevier or someone?
>>>"why the quality of everything the BBC produces is of the highest caliber"
Now, I watch my share of telly including a lot of American shows, Friends, ER, Simpsons, StarTrek.
We get some good stuff from the BBC. But a lot of guff too.
Why-o-why did the BBC have to pay millions, for example, to get a sports show (Saturday night footie) when the same footie was already on TV on a commercial station.
Tell me how that sparks creativity - other than some £10 million footballer having to find creative ways to spend his oodles of cash??
BBC have some good points. But they often seem to think they are a commercial station - the management must be getting paid too much!
>>>"It's comparable to the actual price of the desktop"
It's the same in the UK. I can buy a computer, printer and TFT monitor cheaper than getting WinXP w/ Office.
From PCWorld.co.uk (the biggest UK high street computer store): WinXP Home = £160 (web exclusive!!), MS Office XP = £306, total = £466.
Same store,
# 2.4GHz Intel Celeron Processor
# 15" TFT Monitor
# Epson C46 Colour Desktop Printer
# 256Mb RAM
# 40Gb Hard Disk
# 4 USB connections
# CD-ROM Drive
# Intel Extreme Graphics
# Windows XP Home Edition
# Media Suite 04 Software
Total price £400.
So, what was that you were saying about windows being comparable to the cost of the desktop? I know I twisted it slightly, but MS Windows is _expensive_. And for reference, that £400 is a 24th my annual before tax income.
I know, you can get MS Win cheaper, cheapest Home Edition I can find (legally) is about £60. But then I can buy a full computer system for £200 (ebuyer.co.uk) too. And I'd have to argue that Office software is an essential part of a cheap computer system.
Some top exec thought it was too hard to do his own R&D and so 'commissioned' a minion to create a website getting 'stupid Linux zealots' to do his work.
... damn!
When he has the killer apps he needs, he shuts the site [possibly leaves the BBC?] and patents the ideas.
Profit! Either from huge performance bonus (paid in part by me!) or by patent royalties (which I don't expect I'll see a penny of).
I'm getting _old_ and _cynical_
I can't believe that any "PC" tech who has been working more than a year or so hasn't installed Linux. Not even Knoppix? Are you living under a rock? No, I've got it ... it's your first day here!?!
As soon as I heard of it (about 6 years ago) I had to have a go, installing Slackware from diskette on an IBM thinkpad (Pentium-S, the S is for Slow I think!). IF only because I fancied messing about with partitions and seeing if I could reinstall windows.
As far as career development goes I'd have thought some *nix|*BSD|MacOSX experience was essential.
But hey, no-one offered me a job so I s'pose I got it bass-ackwards.
Seriously I'm not trying to offend but I can't actually believe I saw your post on Slashdot.
If schools are saving 24% of their computing costs, I imagine that UK-wide we can afford more teachers.
If the utility of the computers is not affected then I'd say this is certainly to the benefit of the pupils.
Of course for support on OSS you'd probably pay more as the skills are rarer. The costs here should decrease as OSS becomes more prevalent. Indeed I'd imagine that the geeks in any school could administer the network in a couple of years given the right guidance.
that's about what I thought!
And presumably a burning sensation whenever you enter your garage?
Presumably you have /some/ basis for your belief?
Just wondering!
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The cult of Clippy lives on
>>>" Are you a Santa Claus agnostic, or a Santa Claus atheist?"
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I have strong evidence to suggest that Santa Claus is a legend based on a real human being. There's also strong evidence to suggest that Santa Claus (the fat present-delivering dude) is a story used by parents to stop their children from getting the wintertime blues. So I believe in Santa Claus (the person) but not in Santa Claus the legend. HTH.
Tell me about your dragon, I suspect you are lying. Circumstantial evidence is against the existence of dragons (though there appearance on the Welsh flag and in oriental art is intriguing), perhaps you could bolster your position with a photograph.
Thanks.
>>>"nowhere in this entire chapter are we given to understand that Abraham believe that God would raise Issac from the dead"
Nowhere in Nate4D's post did I notice him say that the Bible is a complete record.
In my view (which I reckon you think is baloney!!) it's important to know the limitations of scientific theory.
...?
... mediated by particles that no-one has ever seen.
Take the statement: "Everyone knows the Earth revolves around the Sun".
Do they, surely that's just a simplification based on how the math[s] works. One could couch things in terms of a fixed Earth (isn't that what Einsteins inertial frames of reference lead us to) but it makes the maths harder. How does that make it 'true'?
Evolution may be falsifiable, and as yet un-falsified. But does that make it true. What about brane theory. Is that true, a theory, a belief? Should brane theory be taught to students, or should you instead teach the 'truth' of the superstrings.
Then there's particle physics, do electrons exist as point particles? Does any physicist actually believe the electron conforms to current standard models. Sure, it's a useful description, but whether you think it describes our reality or not - that's belief.
You get the jist
PS: Apollo's chariot may be the mechanism for solar movement, but no-one has ever seen it -- of course we prefer to believe in gravity now-a-days
PPS: Sorry I've used physics examples as I'm most comfortable with them. They still serve for the purposes of the discussion, I feel.