Now, imagine for a moment that Mono, following in.NET's footsteps, is also hugely successful. Further, imagine that, in its success, Mono displaces a large portion of traditional Linux software development over the next few years.
um, yeah, that's gonna happen. linux development relies on things being open..NET will never be open. some parts sure, but not the vital stuff needed by microsoft to guarantee lock-in. geez, some dude rants for a bit, about nonsensical scenario, and that makes/.
it's getting so much better though. on my P3 933/512 running RH9, 1.0.X loaded in about 15 seconds. now 1.1 loads in about half that time. that is without preloading anything. if they preloaded some things, it'd be much faster. it'd be nice if we could say, hey, get it to load in 10 seconds on a pentium 120 with 32mb ram, but you know what, hardware IS cheap, and even a refurb'd dell on ebay can run it great. evrything has a cost. you want features, you gotta pay for them somehow. i'd say, all in all, OO.org is one helluva piece of software. i've been using it regularly since i think build 638. the only thing i'd wish for (and don't shoot me for saying this), is a forms based database like access. but, this is a small need.
sure, the $399 computer is fine for grandma, but not in a corporate environment. the cheap computers have cheap parts, and they break. this happens all the time with the boxen at my school. we eventually started going to the dell optiplex because it required less maintenance. quite simply, computers aren't like cars, they just aren't cost effective to fix. it's not just th eparts. the time, the replacement, the staff, reconfiguring, etc. major PITA. so you just buy another. in fact, our district bought many extrqa boxen from dells, exact same model/specs. why? when a school needed 5 more computers, they had the drive image, and viola'. up and running. so, if you buy a $399 computer, guarantee half will break in 2-3 year cycle. which means that half the $399 computers are now $798, and then they aren't the sam emodel, which means reconfiguring, etc. for what a business needs, the emac fits the bill. they will be spending near $1000 per machine. and given all the pluses of os x, which i love on my ibook, it is a great proposition. however, most apps aren't ported to os x.
hey, like me, use microsoft because it runs on inexpensive hardware and most software out there is designed to work with it.
then it does what you need it to do. yeah, it does lots of things you don't want it to do, and it does lots of things it isn't supposed to, but until the combination comes along that can "meet your needs", then windows is it. i have been microsoft free for 4 years, with linux and os x. and happily too. but, my needs and wants are not everybody elses.
i have a 700mhz ibook. it runs jaguar wuite nicely to tell you the truth. what concerns me is that when 10.2 came out, it seemed that alot of 10.1 stuff didn't work. is this going to be the case. it doesn't say so on apple's web site. and i actually don't blame them. backwards compatibility is a PITA to maintain, and it doesn't make good business sense. (they're not a monopoly) just that before i upgrade, i don't want my apps to break. of course, i'm going to reward my self with a new 15" PB in the spring when i finish my masters, so by then all the bugs will be worked out. i hope.
You would need to decode teh DIV/mpeg/etc to a raw frame-by-frame format (a few hundred gigs for the average movie), then edit the individual frames, then recompress.
then apple came out with the dual g5 just in time.
i recently installed yellowdog 3.0 on an old bondi blue 233mhz/160mb imac. i was amazed at how zippy and quick it is. OO.org loads in about 20 seconds, moz in about 7. now, this sounds slow, but running jaguar on it was quite frustrating at times. now, i konw jaguar is optimized fo rthe g4, and even though it runs well on my 700mhz ibook, it is not the fastest os. i do like os x, and love apple's x11. i lose little. but i think my next purchase, a 15" PB (when i get my masters in the spring) will dual boot, or just run linux with MOL. my only concern is that i haven't found a good jdk for linux ppc. maybe IBM has one.
as much as i think their products are crap, i don't like lawsuits. it's simply legal lottery. when they violated anti-trust laws, nail 'em to the wall. but this is really asinine. last time i checked, they never marketed windows with security being one of the features. if they purposely left holes in their software, then go after them. go after the people who made the decision. negligence is punishable. incompetence shouldn't be. just don't buy their crap. i realize the option isn't there for desktops, but it is for servers. and i am sure it will be for desktops soon.
making office appear faster by loading tons of libs into memory is hardly good design. and yes, it is a cheap hack because it is not improving the design, efficiency, or code, but rather taking a shortcut. it encourages other developers to do the same. and hell, you could do that with any program. then what do you have? 600MB's of libraries preloaded because of lazy developers.
eys, some you ahve to preload, especially system libs. but for an office suite? please.
i am running yellowdog linux 3.0 on an old bondi blue 233mhz/160mb imac. 1.0.3 loads in about 20 seconds. now, that isn't "fast", but it is more than acceptable. running it on comparable PC hardware would be around a 400-500mhz celeron. on my k6-2 300/128mb CTX laptop, running mandrake 9.1, it takes about same time. considereing that this allows me to use older hardware (nice for my kids), which would be worthless trying to run windows. i think the startup time argument is crap. office preloads tons of crap, which makes it appear to be faster. you take that away, and it loads slowly. since cheap hacks like preloads are not the linux way, for the size of the app, the speed is sufficient.
the other option is the load only minimal libraries, and load extras as needed. fo rinstance, don't load the spell/grammar checker, even stuff like print preview libraries. this woul dmake the program lag as new features load, but would increas start up. i personally think 5 extra seconds is worth the wait.
this means that republicans can use it is well. (and yes, there are republican free software advocates out there.) i hope they realize this. they obviously want to help dean with his campaign, but what if a republican, or even another democrat, was to use this software? would they complain? i wonder.
i've been getting into cocoa lately and discovering alot about mac programming in the process which is different from windows or *nix programming. on the mac, rolling your own library/control is extremely discouraged. as for the gui, it's due to the mac os l&f, as for the rest,1) there is little need, 2) if needed, keep all libraries static. if you get a chance to play with os x, control click on any application and you will get an option to show package contents. everything, from nibs (ui files), to libraries, to icons, will be there.
apple exerts far greater control over the os than linux due to the open nature, and microsoft due to their clusterfuck nature. that is why it "just works". it has both advantages and disadvantages. oh well.
Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect.
actually, he is right. you don't start out with the goal of destroying anyone. you just do it better and viola', world domination. of course that doesn't apply to microsoft. they didn't do it better, just marketed it better.
haven't gotten to play with php5 yet. speed with php is really good. the database will slow you down far more than the php will. in fact, instead of using require_once, another good, though less secure thing is to use constant connections, rather than opening one every page. much faster. and if books are any indicator, php is certainly a hot language. maybe it's where java was in 1998?
i used perl almost exclusively, then had a couple of projects and used php. it was a dream to use. nice syntax, powerful built in functions, not super verbose like java nor bizarre like perl. you can cruft together a few pages or create a huge site. been there, done both. however, remember PHP is a templating language. designed to be so. so, it is not necesarily an OOP language, yet is is OO in nature. for instance, create different.php files and piece together your pages. as for security, use good programming skills. duh. for instance, keep your connections in separate files. then just include("connection.php"); that will help.
that being established, it will have trouble being accepted as an enterprise tool because it is not backed by a company. java backed by sun,.NET by what's that company, i forgot. linux didn't really enter mainstream until IBM ponied up a billion. no matter how great a tool, it just seems cheap, and to businesses, they just won't "risk" it. sad. the other problem that php has it that it is esy to put together a good site, and easy to learn and use. java and.net are not. so, it seems like BASIC. you can't use that for serious apps.
i have used both mandrake 9.0, 9.1, and rh 9.0. in all three the fonts are really nice. i don't know where the font problems thread comes up, but in mandrake, fontdrake works great, and in both drake and RH, simply run spadmin and add the fonts. they look great. anti-aliased, smooth, and print perfectly. fonts are a non-issue.
face it, the latest star wars basically suck. high tech wizardry and moronic scripts and pathetic acting. except for natalie portman, yum yum. anywyas, the originals were classics. great stories, space age westerns. great acting. nobody, nobody, beats harry ford's han solo. i blew 8 bucks on the first one, then rented the second. what a POS. but, the vid game is cool on the game cube!!
having never played with C!@#$%^&*() or whatever it is, i can't compare it to java. however, you're dealin with the devil. and when you deal with the devil, you're gonna get burned.
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no, billyg and the boyz are not the devil, nor are they evil.</disclaimer>
well stated. i have two small children. maybe those withot children don't understand the pernicious nature of the crime. no, no crime deserves total abrogation of civil liberties, but this is hardly that. if they can be removed from the block list, then fine. do it.
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Now, imagine for a moment that Mono, following in .NET's footsteps, is also hugely successful. Further, imagine that, in its success, Mono displaces a large portion of traditional Linux software development over the next few years.
.NET will never be open. some parts sure, but not the vital stuff needed by microsoft to guarantee lock-in. geez, some dude rants for a bit, about nonsensical scenario, and that makes /.
um, yeah, that's gonna happen. linux development relies on things being open.
it's getting so much better though. on my P3 933/512 running RH9, 1.0.X loaded in about 15 seconds. now 1.1 loads in about half that time. that is without preloading anything. if they preloaded some things, it'd be much faster. it'd be nice if we could say, hey, get it to load in 10 seconds on a pentium 120 with 32mb ram, but you know what, hardware IS cheap, and even a refurb'd dell on ebay can run it great. evrything has a cost. you want features, you gotta pay for them somehow. i'd say, all in all, OO.org is one helluva piece of software. i've been using it regularly since i think build 638. the only thing i'd wish for (and don't shoot me for saying this), is a forms based database like access. but, this is a small need.
sure, the $399 computer is fine for grandma, but not in a corporate environment. the cheap computers have cheap parts, and they break. this happens all the time with the boxen at my school. we eventually started going to the dell optiplex because it required less maintenance. quite simply, computers aren't like cars, they just aren't cost effective to fix. it's not just th eparts. the time, the replacement, the staff, reconfiguring, etc. major PITA. so you just buy another. in fact, our district bought many extrqa boxen from dells, exact same model/specs. why? when a school needed 5 more computers, they had the drive image, and viola'. up and running. so, if you buy a $399 computer, guarantee half will break in 2-3 year cycle. which means that half the $399 computers are now $798, and then they aren't the sam emodel, which means reconfiguring, etc. for what a business needs, the emac fits the bill. they will be spending near $1000 per machine. and given all the pluses of os x, which i love on my ibook, it is a great proposition. however, most apps aren't ported to os x.
hey, like me, use microsoft because it runs on inexpensive hardware and most software out there is designed to work with it.
then it does what you need it to do. yeah, it does lots of things you don't want it to do, and it does lots of things it isn't supposed to, but until the combination comes along that can "meet your needs", then windows is it. i have been microsoft free for 4 years, with linux and os x. and happily too. but, my needs and wants are not everybody elses.
i have a 700mhz ibook. it runs jaguar wuite nicely to tell you the truth. what concerns me is that when 10.2 came out, it seemed that alot of 10.1 stuff didn't work. is this going to be the case. it doesn't say so on apple's web site. and i actually don't blame them. backwards compatibility is a PITA to maintain, and it doesn't make good business sense. (they're not a monopoly) just that before i upgrade, i don't want my apps to break. of course, i'm going to reward my self with a new 15" PB in the spring when i finish my masters, so by then all the bugs will be worked out. i hope.
describe the size in terms of number of songs. (of course, /. regulars will describe in terms of how much porn)
You would need to decode teh DIV/mpeg/etc to a raw frame-by-frame format (a few hundred gigs for the average movie), then edit the individual frames, then recompress.
then apple came out with the dual g5 just in time.
i recently installed yellowdog 3.0 on an old bondi blue 233mhz/160mb imac. i was amazed at how zippy and quick it is. OO.org loads in about 20 seconds, moz in about 7. now, this sounds slow, but running jaguar on it was quite frustrating at times. now, i konw jaguar is optimized fo rthe g4, and even though it runs well on my 700mhz ibook, it is not the fastest os. i do like os x, and love apple's x11. i lose little. but i think my next purchase, a 15" PB (when i get my masters in the spring) will dual boot, or just run linux with MOL. my only concern is that i haven't found a good jdk for linux ppc. maybe IBM has one.
as much as i think their products are crap, i don't like lawsuits. it's simply legal lottery. when they violated anti-trust laws, nail 'em to the wall. but this is really asinine. last time i checked, they never marketed windows with security being one of the features. if they purposely left holes in their software, then go after them. go after the people who made the decision. negligence is punishable. incompetence shouldn't be. just don't buy their crap. i realize the option isn't there for desktops, but it is for servers. and i am sure it will be for desktops soon.
making office appear faster by loading tons of libs into memory is hardly good design. and yes, it is a cheap hack because it is not improving the design, efficiency, or code, but rather taking a shortcut. it encourages other developers to do the same. and hell, you could do that with any program. then what do you have? 600MB's of libraries preloaded because of lazy developers.
eys, some you ahve to preload, especially system libs. but for an office suite? please.
i am running yellowdog linux 3.0 on an old bondi blue 233mhz/160mb imac. 1.0.3 loads in about 20 seconds. now, that isn't "fast", but it is more than acceptable. running it on comparable PC hardware would be around a 400-500mhz celeron. on my k6-2 300/128mb CTX laptop, running mandrake 9.1, it takes about same time. considereing that this allows me to use older hardware (nice for my kids), which would be worthless trying to run windows. i think the startup time argument is crap. office preloads tons of crap, which makes it appear to be faster. you take that away, and it loads slowly. since cheap hacks like preloads are not the linux way, for the size of the app, the speed is sufficient.
the other option is the load only minimal libraries, and load extras as needed. fo rinstance, don't load the spell/grammar checker, even stuff like print preview libraries. this woul dmake the program lag as new features load, but would increas start up. i personally think 5 extra seconds is worth the wait.
this means that republicans can use it is well. (and yes, there are republican free software advocates out there.) i hope they realize this. they obviously want to help dean with his campaign, but what if a republican, or even another democrat, was to use this software? would they complain? i wonder.
i've been getting into cocoa lately and discovering alot about mac programming in the process which is different from windows or *nix programming. on the mac, rolling your own library/control is extremely discouraged. as for the gui, it's due to the mac os l&f, as for the rest,1) there is little need, 2) if needed, keep all libraries static. if you get a chance to play with os x, control click on any application and you will get an option to show package contents. everything, from nibs (ui files), to libraries, to icons, will be there.
apple exerts far greater control over the os than linux due to the open nature, and microsoft due to their clusterfuck nature. that is why it "just works". it has both advantages and disadvantages. oh well.
How in the damned hell was that flamebait?!?
because we're in soviet russia, you insensitive clod.
Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect.
actually, he is right. you don't start out with the goal of destroying anyone. you just do it better and viola', world domination. of course that doesn't apply to microsoft. they didn't do it better, just marketed it better.
sun is getting killed by lintel. what else they gonna say. of course, it makes him look desperate and stupid.
haven't gotten to play with php5 yet. speed with php is really good. the database will slow you down far more than the php will. in fact, instead of using require_once, another good, though less secure thing is to use constant connections, rather than opening one every page. much faster. and if books are any indicator, php is certainly a hot language. maybe it's where java was in 1998?
i used perl almost exclusively, then had a couple of projects and used php. it was a dream to use. nice syntax, powerful built in functions, not super verbose like java nor bizarre like perl. you can cruft together a few pages or create a huge site. been there, done both. however, remember PHP is a templating language. designed to be so. so, it is not necesarily an OOP language, yet is is OO in nature. for instance, create different .php files and piece together your pages. as for security, use good programming skills. duh. for instance, keep your connections in separate files. then just include("connection.php"); that will help.
.NET by what's that company, i forgot. linux didn't really enter mainstream until IBM ponied up a billion. no matter how great a tool, it just seems cheap, and to businesses, they just won't "risk" it. sad. the other problem that php has it that it is esy to put together a good site, and easy to learn and use. java and .net are not. so, it seems like BASIC. you can't use that for serious apps.
that being established, it will have trouble being accepted as an enterprise tool because it is not backed by a company. java backed by sun,
i have used both mandrake 9.0, 9.1, and rh 9.0. in all three the fonts are really nice. i don't know where the font problems thread comes up, but in mandrake, fontdrake works great, and in both drake and RH, simply run spadmin and add the fonts. they look great. anti-aliased, smooth, and print perfectly. fonts are a non-issue.
face it, the latest star wars basically suck. high tech wizardry and moronic scripts and pathetic acting. except for natalie portman, yum yum. anywyas, the originals were classics. great stories, space age westerns. great acting. nobody, nobody, beats harry ford's han solo. i blew 8 bucks on the first one, then rented the second. what a POS. but, the vid game is cool on the game cube!!
that's one buffer overflow i'll want
to learn more information, you need to click on a flash presentation, which requires a plugin. hmmm...
having never played with C!@#$%^&*() or whatever it is, i can't compare it to java. however, you're dealin with the devil. and when you deal with the devil, you're gonna get burned.
<disclaimer> no, billyg and the boyz are not the devil, nor are they evil.</disclaimer>
hey, i graduated sonoma in '87. i know, BFD. but sometimes the action isn't always at the big schools.
well stated. i have two small children. maybe those withot children don't understand the pernicious nature of the crime. no, no crime deserves total abrogation of civil liberties, but this is hardly that. if they can be removed from the block list, then fine. do it.