As much as it sounds like good news, it is not great.
Remember the good ol' days of th'Internet, where no one could possibly track you and where anonymity was technologically "guaranteed"... now (some) users can be pinpointed via IP and login time - just check any ISP's radius logs...and activity can be, and is, logged by carnivore (that doesn't really exist we promise... ok yes it does but we won't use it in a mean way we promise... and we'll only use it if an isp lets us we proimise...but its easier for the ISP to leave it in place rather than get all LEGAL about it...but carnivore has really gone away and that's why there are no more articles about it...but it never really existed anyway...)
My point is, that arguing the TECHNICAL weaknesses of this, or any other privacy-infringing item/product/software/etc. will only result in TECHNICAL innovations that make it more effective.
We must argue the LEGAL weaknesses - the 4th amendment. We need to argue that no person waives their constitutional rights simply by the virtue of entering a commercial, travel, or other legal relationship with any other entity. (unfortunately, I fear we lost this one a long time ago)
We need to argue against clickwrap agreements, and their cousins:
"by entering this building, you agree that..."
"by engaging in airplane / train / public bus / private automobile transportation, you agree that..."
Our legal rights are important. The details of whatever technology the FBI, CIA, or any other no - such - agency uses in an attempt to violate those rights, are less so.
Don't Frustrate their efforts. Fight them head - on!
hilarious, but excellent insight: "In order to use it, the system "will allow its users to download a movie config file". Why would kids go through the trouble of downloading a config file to avoid seeing nudity and cursing?!"
can we talk offline, or at least exchange email outside of/. ? I'm considering a long - term mission to Vladivostok, since some members in my congregation adopted from there. I just completed my first mission this last July (as if a two - week stint can be called a "mission"...sorry for the public request, but I didn't find and email address in your bio. To get to me, replace hotmail w/ go.
The question "What's an idiot?" would deal with a dictionary. "What can I call him OTHER an idiot?" would be a thesaurus
HOWEVER, when only a thesaurus is available, it can be used to somewhat fill the void caused by the lack of a dictionary by suggesting several synonyms. Understanding that a list of synonyms is not a precise definition, one one can still glean the general meaning carried by words.
Unfortunately, MSWORD doesn't have a dictionary, therefore, many people use the thesaurus as a rough substitution.
If you shop at costco, you've already given them your name, address, dob, drivers' licence, and probably credit card or checking account number (dependin gon how you financed your "membership". I attempted to enter one in Arlington, TX, and was refused admittance becuase I chose not to identify myself and purchase a 1-day pass.
You can get blank CD's 2-3 for a dollar, tell me again why a music CD costs $17? If $14 of that went to the artists,
Uh, no. My brother works for one of the smaller recording studios (you likely wouldn't know their name if I mentioned it) and they get CD for around 9 cents each.
I would guess we are looking at a similar rubber stamp for monitoring hackers.
That is true.
There is a purpose for requiring court approval for wiretapping / surveillance. That purpose is amendment IV:
"Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
"
What is particularly disturbing is that, according to USC 50, Chapter 36, subchapter 1, section 1803 (a), (last sentence) a judge doesn't have to comment when approving a surveillance request, but has to provide immediate, written reasoning behind a denial od such request.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1803.html - unlinked for the paranoid.
In effect, the judge either has to 1) rubberstamp it, or 2) make sure he has a damn good reason not to. This is hardly a resounding endorsement of "burden of proof".
I can provide more evidence that Luke Skywalker existed (several hours of full motion video, action figures, cards, etc...) the you can produce about Jesus Christ (a book.)
...but less evidence that George Washington existed. Sure, there are movies and texts about him, also. He even appears on coins. Jesus never appeared on any coins that I've seen, only pictures in churches.
But how many people have spoken to George Washington lately? The movies are after all, only depictions of him-who-fell-the-apple-tree-and-did-not-tell-a-lie .
This "country" that our dubious "founding fathers" are purported to have created is merely a conglomeration of people who occasionally choose to attempt to follow the whichever laws are handed down to them.
And what of those laws? The peope, who call themselves "loyal citizens" are often caught speeding, running stop signs, using drugs, lying, cheating, and murdering each other, AND staying up past 10 on a school night! All of which are clearly aginst the "norms" that these people are supposed to uphold. (its 10:00. Do you know where your children are?)
Surely, if George Wasington really existed, the citizens of the United States if America (or whatever belief system its called) would be more dedicated to following his 10 commandments ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ammendments to the constitution.
In the absence of credible evidence to the contrary, and in the preponderance of illegal activity by those people who claim loyalty to the cause of the Founder, I can positively assert tic that George Washington did not exist.
If Hubbard can make up some crap and get people to follow it, I believe people will follow damn near any bunch of hogwash you offer them. And his stuff was REALLY off the wall.
So according to your argument:
A = Hubbard can invent a false religion
B = people follow it
C = a "correct" religion exists
if A then B
if C then B
not A
B or not B
Therefore not C?
What kind of logic is that? I'm not saying that my religious views are 100% logical, but if you are going to attack them on a "logical" basis, then at least do me the respect of using intelligent logic.
Sure, this time around the religion question is voluntary. But by not answering it, all you demonstrate is apathy. By giving a bullshit answer, you send a clear signal that you actively object to it.
Fine. Answer in a way that does demonstrate your active objection to the query. Some suggestions, to get you started:
I actively object to this question
noyb
Seperate church and state
I know, this doctorine may not be as ingrained in UK as it is here. But it isn't as ingrained here as some might like either. That's why you (theoretically) are objecting in the first place.
Get one of THOSE listed on the census form, and see who "votes" for it or accepts it as their religiouis view, then you've made a statement.
Dear President Bush, CIA, FBI, AT&T, Time - Warner, Microsoft, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citibank, Mastercard, Discover American Express, Visa, and all associates, business partners, customers, affiliates, representatives, and employees thereof:
Respect my privacy. Delete all information pertaining to me and do not transmit it to any one. Inform all of your business partners, associates, affiliates, competitors, and customers to do the same.
Ensure that they have a copy of this letter in its entirety, and are instructed to retain it in perpetuity, in order that they may follow the orders presented here.
Thank you
Bob Smith 1223 Everglades Lane
Kalamazoo, MI 80606
(806)555-4334
Social Security numer: 334-99-6658
Discover Card Number: 5556-3356-9986-4457 exp 10/05
MC number 5548 8336 6265 5532
Visa Number 4465 9985 2265 3354
MI DL number 998-99442-33155
Maybe kazaa does work on a central server, but with a distributed database of users, such that if "the central authentication server (CAS)" goes down, there is a backup central Authentication server (BCAS) standby, for example:
The BCAS is currently functioning as a supernode.
the two servers share a "heartbeat"
portions of the user database are distributed in encrypted fashion across all known supernodes (think RAID5, or RAID 10 if you like, as a simplistic model for illustrative purposes). Additionally, copies of the full user database are kept on the CAS and BCAS.
if the CAS goes down, the BCAS promotes itself to CAS, then designates a new BCAS from existing supernodes.
the new BCAS receives a copy of the user database upon promotion, from the CAS. This needn't happen all at once. Because they are both supernodes, this can happen at a low bandwith over an extended period (64kb, over several hours)
Remember, I said that the user database is distributed, and suggested a RAID like model; thus if both CAS and BCAS go down, the data can be reassembled by existing superservers, two of which promote themselves to be the new CAS and BCAS.
This assumes that a user database is need at all..... why
**I am not on the kazaa design team, althought I embrace its purpose to propogate free speech. If this design is not already incorporated, the designers are encopuraged to evaluate this suggestion on its technical merits. I neither expect nor will accept renumeration.
Forcing all net users to use an approved black box sitting on the houses outgoing data line seems like it would never be possible, but with the push of MS, the RIAA and other parts of the government some would say it's inevitable.
Really. I used a modem for years, and now use a cable modem (dsl where available) and I couldn't tell you what the vast majority of the chips / circuits / transistors / resisters on that component / peripheral (black box) do, more than identify them as individual tramsisters / resisters / whatever. I know that they somehow work in harmony to help me encode / decode bitstreams and transfer them over various media, but I do not know now whether they are sending more than the typical tcp / IP packets. I don't sniff packets day in & day out.
The Cable Modem that TW Cable leases to me / allows me to purchase may or may not conform to specs on the "cable side". I know it confirms enough to work, but that doesn't imply 100% compliance.
Can you identify the fuction of every component within your modem? Can you disprove its function as a "black box?"
FORGET THE MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD - WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THESE GUYS COLD ***NOW*** BEFORE THEY GET NUKES
OK, try this: the attackers are traced, undeniably to North Wherever, and there are clear, undeniable ties to the government of the Island nation of North Wherever (said government, by the way, is ony recognized and sanctioned by their slave class and one flea).
We have our perp. We send a 30-kagillion ton blast to wipe the entire island of north wherever off the map. No isle. No crabs. No sunny beaches. The entire island is submerged. Every person, man, woman, child, pet, and flea on the entire island is gone forever.
South Wherever, out close ally who sanctioned and accepted our attack against their rogue neighbor, by some miracle is materially unaffected, however, citizens of SW had friends and close relations in NW. Friends who were innocent, but trapped there. Who will the lonely SW Citizens fear and loathe? The NW government is gone, but they have no hope now of rescuing their relations because they're gone too. Support Groups rise in SW, to help those people recover from their loss. Common topics to these support groups, is the apparent failure of US to recognixe that the slave class is just that - they have no power, and were innocent to the bombing. Furthermore, every bit of informatin that the NW government had fed its slave class was a lie about the evils of the USA. Based on those lies, the USA appeared evil and the attack appeared justified. Again, the SW goverment is our close ally, but the citizens are becoming disenchanted with the US. That relationship is strained. Trust is lost. As time passes, these lonely SW Citizens become angry, and bitter. Eventually, some turn extremist and militant. They become our new enemies...
I know a lot of places run people in to "donate" plasma - and then give the donors a check for a ~1 - 2 donation. The check structure is based so that those who need the income, are prompted to go in on a regular basis:
1st week:
Day 1 $25
Day 2 $15
2ND WEEK:
DAY 3 $20
DAY 4 $25
These places take in just about anyone, but test blood before thaey take it. There is usually long lines and it's uncomfortable.
If you don't like taking money for blood donations, check out Carter Blood Center. They will accept platelet donations 2x per week, and repay donors with the standard cookie / apple juice fare. It's also a longer process - about 1n hour, and you've got needles in both arms. But the nurses have to totally wait on you, and they let you bring in movies to watch, or watch the ones there. An excellent setup. As an added bonus, there's the excuse to drink two extra milkshakes a week - this is recommended to make up for the Calcium and protein loss.
I understand that there is still a market for lower - speed (low-cost;low-powered) processors in the embedded market, but the embedded market upgrades, too.
This is nothing more than concession that they will stop making products that are obsolete NOW...in 10 months. Why is this an issue?
When I lived near Dallas (Arlington) there were fair deals to be had just outside of the Infomart in Dallas, on the 1st Saturday of every month. There was a small movement to get the market going every week, but I don't know how successful it's been.
I went once or twice; some of what I found was wet from previous rainy 1st saturdays. I also bought a cyrix-200 & motherboard for about $130, when new ones would have cost ~$200. YMMV, of course. I just can't get excited about spending more than $200. on bare computer equipment that's served up outside.
Back to the punishment phase (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 11:19 AM August 2nd, 2001 CST (#106)
Microsft has been convicted of committing a crime. The conviction is upheld by the court of appeals. MS *is* now a convicted criminal. Part of the punishment should be that any and all government organizations should cease doing any further business with MS. For the govt to continue financial support of a convicted criminal is an insult to the dignity of law and order. Maybe we'll also be lucky anough that the next lower court judge that gets the case shall deem that MS be broken up into 3 different companies and not 2 like the first judge ordered.
Moderate this (the original) up, please. While the orders in sentences 1 and 2 would never happen, they are worth reading.
Now that we have had some of the findings validated, but TPJ's remedies thrown out, What should the Remedy / Punishment be?
1) Big whoppin' fine. It'll be paid, there may be shareholder lawsuits, and the lesser - paid (and lesser-empowered) MS employees will be laid off. Executives' current holdings will be impacted somewhat, but the greatest pain will be felt on their wrist. Any further Econonic Downturns will be blamed on that Evil Justice Department's clearly misguded antagonistic attitude regarding the Freedom to Innovate.
2) Limitations on future behavior, (consent decrees) - we all know how well they worked the last time.
3) Strict government oversight - this sounds a bit too Big - Brotherish to me, even if Microsoft wants to become Big Brother.
4) Require MS to open - Source Hailstorm - MS will respond by killing it in favor of MS - Tornado, a similar, but Legally Different Innovation, with identical, transparent, but unstated goals.
Slashdot Mirror
Remember the good ol' days of th'Internet, where no one could possibly track you and where anonymity was technologically "guaranteed"
My point is, that arguing the TECHNICAL weaknesses of this, or any other privacy-infringing item/product/software/etc. will only result in TECHNICAL innovations that make it more effective.
We must argue the LEGAL weaknesses - the 4th amendment. We need to argue that no person waives their constitutional rights simply by the virtue of entering a commercial, travel, or other legal relationship with any other entity. (unfortunately, I fear we lost this one a long time ago)
We need to argue against clickwrap agreements, and their cousins:
Our legal rights are important. The details of whatever technology the FBI, CIA, or any other no - such - agency uses in an attempt to violate those rights, are less so.
Don't Frustrate their efforts. Fight them head - on!
Someone with points, mopd the parent up.
hilarious, but excellent insight: "In order to use it, the system "will allow its users to download a movie config file". Why would kids go through the trouble of downloading a config file to avoid seeing nudity and cursing?!"
Does this mean we can make G - rated movies a little more exciting?
Jessica Rabbit...Snow White...Smurfette..Betty Boop
Kannen:
/. ? I'm considering a long - term mission to Vladivostok, since some members in my congregation adopted from there. I just completed my first mission this last July (as if a two - week stint can be called a "mission"...sorry for the public request, but I didn't find and email address in your bio. To get to me, replace hotmail w/ go.
can we talk offline, or at least exchange email outside of
Thanks and God Bless
Chris
Every machine is running XP. Requests for variants require filling out this form in triplicate
The question "What's an idiot?" would deal with a dictionary. "What can I call him OTHER an idiot?" would be a thesaurus
HOWEVER, when only a thesaurus is available, it can be used to somewhat fill the void caused by the lack of a dictionary by suggesting several synonyms. Understanding that a list of synonyms is not a precise definition, one one can still glean the general meaning carried by words.
Unfortunately, MSWORD doesn't have a dictionary, therefore, many people use the thesaurus as a rough substitution.
No big brother here. Move along...
Thanks for your comforting words. However, you're an idiot.
What's an idiot?
If you shop at costco, you've already given them your name, address, dob, drivers' licence, and probably credit card or checking account number (dependin gon how you financed your "membership". I attempted to enter one in Arlington, TX, and was refused admittance becuase I chose not to identify myself and purchase a 1-day pass.
You can get blank CD's 2-3 for a dollar, tell me again why a music CD costs $17? If $14 of that went to the artists,
Uh, no. My brother works for one of the smaller recording studios (you likely wouldn't know their name if I mentioned it) and they get CD for around 9 cents each.
I would guess we are looking at a similar rubber stamp for monitoring hackers.
That is true.
There is a purpose for requiring court approval for wiretapping / surveillance. That purpose is amendment IV:
"Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
"
What is particularly disturbing is that, according to USC 50, Chapter 36, subchapter 1, section 1803 (a), (last sentence) a judge doesn't have to comment when approving a surveillance request, but has to provide immediate, written reasoning behind a denial od such request.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1803.html - unlinked for the paranoid.
In effect, the judge either has to 1) rubberstamp it, or 2) make sure he has a damn good reason not to. This is hardly a resounding endorsement of "burden of proof".
I can provide more evidence that Luke Skywalker existed (several hours of full motion video, action figures, cards, etc...) the you can produce about Jesus Christ (a book.)
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...but less evidence that George Washington existed. Sure, there are movies and texts about him, also. He even appears on coins. Jesus never appeared on any coins that I've seen, only pictures in churches.
But how many people have spoken to George Washington lately? The movies are after all, only depictions of him-who-fell-the-apple-tree-and-did-not-tell-a-li
This "country" that our dubious "founding fathers" are purported to have created is merely a conglomeration of people who occasionally choose to attempt to follow the whichever laws are handed down to them.
And what of those laws? The peope, who call themselves "loyal citizens" are often caught speeding, running stop signs, using drugs, lying, cheating, and murdering each other, AND staying up past 10 on a school night! All of which are clearly aginst the "norms" that these people are supposed to uphold. (its 10:00. Do you know where your children are?)
Surely, if George Wasington really existed, the citizens of the United States if America (or whatever belief system its called) would be more dedicated to following his 10 commandments ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ammendments to the constitution.
In the absence of credible evidence to the contrary, and in the preponderance of illegal activity by those people who claim loyalty to the cause of the Founder, I can positively assert tic that George Washington did not exist.
If Hubbard can make up some crap and get people to follow it, I believe people will follow damn near any bunch of hogwash you offer them. And his stuff was REALLY off the wall.
So according to your argument:
A = Hubbard can invent a false religion
B = people follow it
C = a "correct" religion exists
if A then B
if C then B
not A
B or not B
Therefore not C?
What kind of logic is that? I'm not saying that my religious views are 100% logical, but if you are going to attack them on a "logical" basis, then at least do me the respect of using intelligent logic.
Fine. Answer in a way that does demonstrate your active objection to the query. Some suggestions, to get you started:
I know, this doctorine may not be as ingrained in UK as it is here. But it isn't as ingrained here as some might like either. That's why you (theoretically) are objecting in the first place.
Get one of THOSE listed on the census form, and see who "votes" for it or accepts it as their religiouis view, then you've made a statement.
Dear President Bush, CIA, FBI, AT&T, Time - Warner, Microsoft, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citibank, Mastercard, Discover American Express, Visa, and all associates, business partners, customers, affiliates, representatives, and employees thereof:
Respect my privacy. Delete all information pertaining to me and do not transmit it to any one. Inform all of your business partners, associates, affiliates, competitors, and customers to do the same.
Ensure that they have a copy of this letter in its entirety, and are instructed to retain it in perpetuity, in order that they may follow the orders presented here.
Thank you
Bob Smith 1223 Everglades Lane
Kalamazoo, MI 80606
(806)555-4334
Social Security numer: 334-99-6658
Discover Card Number: 5556-3356-9986-4457 exp 10/05
MC number 5548 8336 6265 5532
Visa Number 4465 9985 2265 3354
MI DL number 998-99442-33155
Maybe kazaa does work on a central server, but with a distributed database of users, such that if "the central authentication server (CAS)" goes down, there is a backup central Authentication server (BCAS) standby, for example:
Remember, I said that the user database is distributed, and suggested a RAID like model; thus if both CAS and BCAS go down, the data can be reassembled by existing superservers, two of which promote themselves to be the new CAS and BCAS.
This assumes that a user database is need at all..... why
**I am not on the kazaa design team, althought I embrace its purpose to propogate free speech. If this design is not already incorporated, the designers are encopuraged to evaluate this suggestion on its technical merits. I neither expect nor will accept renumeration.
Forcing all net users to use an approved black box sitting on the houses outgoing data line seems like it would never be possible, but with the push of MS, the RIAA and other parts of the government some would say it's inevitable.
Really. I used a modem for years, and now use a cable modem (dsl where available) and I couldn't tell you what the vast majority of the chips / circuits / transistors / resisters on that component / peripheral (black box) do, more than identify them as individual tramsisters / resisters / whatever. I know that they somehow work in harmony to help me encode / decode bitstreams and transfer them over various media, but I do not know now whether they are sending more than the typical tcp / IP packets. I don't sniff packets day in & day out.
The Cable Modem that TW Cable leases to me / allows me to purchase may or may not conform to specs on the "cable side". I know it confirms enough to work, but that doesn't imply 100% compliance.
Can you identify the fuction of every component within your modem? Can you disprove its function as a "black box?"
The kind of person who would read
- Tuesdays with Morrey
and take it a bit too seriously.FORGET THE MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD - WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THESE GUYS COLD ***NOW*** BEFORE THEY GET NUKES
OK, try this: the attackers are traced, undeniably to North Wherever, and there are clear, undeniable ties to the government of the Island nation of North Wherever (said government, by the way, is ony recognized and sanctioned by their slave class and one flea).
We have our perp. We send a 30-kagillion ton blast to wipe the entire island of north wherever off the map. No isle. No crabs. No sunny beaches. The entire island is submerged. Every person, man, woman, child, pet, and flea on the entire island is gone forever.
South Wherever, out close ally who sanctioned and accepted our attack against their rogue neighbor, by some miracle is materially unaffected, however, citizens of SW had friends and close relations in NW. Friends who were innocent, but trapped there. Who will the lonely SW Citizens fear and loathe? The NW government is gone, but they have no hope now of rescuing their relations because they're gone too. Support Groups rise in SW, to help those people recover from their loss. Common topics to these support groups, is the apparent failure of US to recognixe that the slave class is just that - they have no power, and were innocent to the bombing. Furthermore, every bit of informatin that the NW government had fed its slave class was a lie about the evils of the USA. Based on those lies, the USA appeared evil and the attack appeared justified. Again, the SW goverment is our close ally, but the citizens are becoming disenchanted with the US. That relationship is strained. Trust is lost. As time passes, these lonely SW Citizens become angry, and bitter. Eventually, some turn extremist and militant. They become our new enemies...
Consider giving blood components.
I know a lot of places run people in to "donate" plasma - and then give the donors a check for a ~1 - 2 donation. The check structure is based so that those who need the income, are prompted to go in on a regular basis:
1st week:
Day 1 $25
Day 2 $15
2ND WEEK:
DAY 3 $20
DAY 4 $25
These places take in just about anyone, but test blood before thaey take it. There is usually long lines and it's uncomfortable.
If you don't like taking money for blood donations, check out Carter Blood Center. They will accept platelet donations 2x per week, and repay donors with the standard cookie / apple juice fare. It's also a longer process - about 1n hour, and you've got needles in both arms. But the nurses have to totally wait on you, and they let you bring in movies to watch, or watch the ones there. An excellent setup. As an added bonus, there's the excuse to drink two extra milkshakes a week - this is recommended to make up for the Calcium and protein loss.
I took the Turing test and failed it. Does that mean I'm not intelligent, or just that I'm not artificially so?
If memory serves, IBM put alot of companies in business.
As did Standard Oil, US Steel, and Microsoft. That doesn't mean they did so ethically.
I understand that there is still a market for lower - speed (low-cost;low-powered) processors in the embedded market, but the embedded market upgrades, too.
This is nothing more than concession that they will stop making products that are obsolete NOW...in 10 months. Why is this an issue?
When I lived near Dallas (Arlington) there were fair deals to be had just outside of the Infomart in Dallas, on the 1st Saturday of every month. There was a small movement to get the market going every week, but I don't know how successful it's been.
I went once or twice; some of what I found was wet from previous rainy 1st saturdays. I also bought a cyrix-200 & motherboard for about $130, when new ones would have cost ~$200. YMMV, of course. I just can't get excited about spending more than $200. on bare computer equipment that's served up outside.
Back to the punishment phase (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 11:19 AM August 2nd, 2001 CST (#106)
Microsft has been convicted of committing a crime. The conviction is upheld by the court of appeals. MS *is* now a convicted criminal. Part of the punishment should be that any and all government organizations should cease doing any further business with MS. For the govt to continue financial support of a convicted criminal is an insult to the dignity of law and order. Maybe we'll also be lucky anough that the next lower court judge that gets the case shall deem that MS be broken up into 3 different companies and not 2 like the first judge ordered.
Moderate this (the original) up, please. While the orders in sentences 1 and 2 would never happen, they are worth reading.
Now that we have had some of the findings validated, but TPJ's remedies thrown out, What should the Remedy / Punishment be?
1) Big whoppin' fine. It'll be paid, there may be shareholder lawsuits, and the lesser - paid (and lesser-empowered) MS employees will be laid off. Executives' current holdings will be impacted somewhat, but the greatest pain will be felt on their wrist. Any further Econonic Downturns will be blamed on that Evil Justice Department's clearly misguded antagonistic attitude regarding the Freedom to Innovate.
2) Limitations on future behavior, (consent decrees) - we all know how well they worked the last time.
3) Strict government oversight - this sounds a bit too Big - Brotherish to me, even if Microsoft wants to become Big Brother.
4) Require MS to open - Source Hailstorm - MS will respond by killing it in favor of MS - Tornado, a similar, but Legally Different Innovation, with identical, transparent, but unstated goals.