Is Parent doing more than trolling? If the game allows for muggings, then muggings are allowed. If they don't want muggings, then they should not allow items to drop out on the floor when people beat you up, or not allow those items to transfer, or what not.
In the REAL WORLD it's agains the law to mug people, but in a fake game it's defined by the rules of the game, and the laws of the real world shouldn't apply.
besides, you're analogy would only be good if someone was trying to blame the maker of the virtual weapon used in the virtual mugging. I don't play this game, but presumably there could be some dude who makes weapons and sells them as his thing, and if you blamed him for making the weapon used in the mugging, then maybe your analogy would be less troll-like.
Now, I've defended them, and got attacked by apple fans - and people with dictionaries - once before on this site, but come on.
MS has done some good things, and if they weren't so freakin power hungry, we'd probably be much more greatful, but their entire embrace and extend and then control mentality is why they are the great evil.
even though everyone loves a winner, nobody likes a bully.
So for now (at least while do no harm holds true), I love the fact that really smart people have a choice between google and Ms when it comes to employment. ROCK ON Amanda! And the rest of us have a choice when it comes to operating systems that you can use without becoming a level 74 dungeon master first.
what the hell is wrong with X11 and matrox mystiques? It's not like it's a winmodem. Oh, sure, it'll recognize the 1mb trident, but I'd like a little more than 640x480@256.
This is the first I've seen of it. It's as big of a change in behaviour and thinking as being able to pan around the way google maps lets you.
I mean, on the web you expect to see some dumb navigation compass that moves the thing up or down, left or right, and a slider for zooming. Or worse, sliders for all of those things. That's how it's been for some time. But google made it so that you can click and drag and the damn map moves.
WOW.
This is just as huge. I've been using my.yahoo for a long time, and there is the edit panel that lets you tell it how many columns and what sections, nad in what order with an advanced (for the time) list box that dynamically changes when you hilight the choice and hit the up or down arrow button. (I remember learning how to do that and thinking how far we've come from the old days)
but, man, this ajax shit is cool. click and drag sections! I know some desktop aps that haven't/won't figure out how to do this yet.
Freaking awesome, even if that is their only innovation and all that ever comes from it, that's enough.
I'm thinking the rest of the crowd just relearned how to use vb, and he and a handful of stickouts kept trying to use the old VB and now look what's happened.
vb.net will work in the next version of windows. vb6 won't, or something, they have some petition. I haven't read it.
I remember being afraid of.net for the longest time.
Anyway, the point is MS doesn't care what this guy or anyone else thinks. His little revolt reminds me of the tiananmen square guy.
that's the point. If open wifi is illegal, they cable/internet providers know they'll be able to get everyone to pay 50-80 bucks a month.
If open wifi is legal, you'll have people leeching off one guy, or worse! neighbors going in on it together.
I remember back in the day people used to split the cable bill with their neighbors, and split the line at one house and run it to two or even three houses themselves.
But then the cable companies started arresting people who did this and now we all have to pay for our own cable. Hell, Satellite people have to pay for each freaking TV Set.
That's the goal of the companies, pay for each IP address. Fortunately we're winning that war, but unless we demand some common sense from the legislators on this new front we're going to lose legal open wifi and we'll be that much closer to finding our routers are now illegal.
Hijacking involves taking control away from the proper controlling authority. Hijacking an airplane, for example means taking control of the airplane and making the crew fly you to some strange place or into a building.
What this guy did was not taking control of the internet, he simply used the internet. It's not like carjacking, it's more like hitching a ride on a locomotive. He got a free ride, but that's A FAR CRY FROM HIJACKING.
Next, it's not like plucking the flowers. If you pluck the flowers they won't be there for me to look it. It's more like if my front yard had shade and it was 110 degrees out and as you were walking home you paused for a minute under my tree. Now sure, being American I have every right to shoot your ass for trespassing, but I don't think I could have you arrested for stealing shade.
The open air network analogy...well consider this one, jackass. I have an ipod with a little FM Transmitter. It's designed to be low-range, for my car only, but if you're next to me and you hit scan on your radio and it picks up a song you like you leave it on that station. But oh my fucking god, it's not a real radio station, it's my ipod! You should go to jail now, right?
No! Not the same. A better analogy would be if I put a TV out in the middle of my front yard, and put the remote on the sidewalk.
Using someone's wireless is not like peeping in someone's house. Using someone's wireless to gain access to thier home computer is like peeping in someone's house, but simply using thier wifi is more like if I put the TV out in the front yard.
I imagine if you searched for sites talking about 9-11 pre-9-11-2001 you'd find some interesting things. Post 9-11 there were a zillion references, but pre-9-11 there couldn't have been that many.
No one got their panties in a bunch until hot coffee came out and allowed access to "porn".
There's plenty of violence as bad or worse as GTA on network tv every night. No one cares. They care about boobies. Janet Jackson shows a nipple and the FCC gets involved, but Law and Order last night had the gruesome details of a rape, then the murder of the rapist by the rape victim. Compelling drama they say. Sure, if that's what turns you on.
Think it's just a coincidence that they wanted to replace the M rating with an A for GTA? A Scarlet A - that is.
So maybe monopoly isn't the right word, but hear me out.
This article is complaining about the cost of being "forced" to get a windows os with purchase of a new machine.
All I'm saying is consider the cost of being "forced" to purchase a mac inorder to run OSX.
If OSX is superior to windows, then it makes sense to want to run OSX. Now, in order to do so you "have" to buy a mac. So apple has as much a monopoly on machines that can run OSX as windows does on software that runs on x86 machines - more so given there aren't any non-macs that I know of that can run osx and there are hundreds if not thousands of oses that run on x86.
Look, I get that apple is free to make and sell proprietary oses and proprietary hardware. I'm just curious as to why Apple's proprietary lock-in is ok, where as something like MSHTML, or JScript, or VisualBasic or WORD or anyother MS proprietary technology is EVIL.
The same argument that says Apples work because Apple makes the hardware and the software can be applied to MSOFFICE and IE are excellent apps because MS makes the OS and the applications.
And the same thinking that say Linux is good because it can be run on any architecture can be applied to saying that windows is good because it can run on most hardware - freeing you, the consumer, to buy whatever Motherboard, ram, processor you want - just like Linux!!!!
HA, you all hate me because you know it's true. In many respects we are hypocrites when it comes to apple, linux and MS.
MS Proprietary = bad. Apple's proprietary = good. wtf? Linuxes portability = good, MS portability = bad. Wide Linux standards adoption = interoperability yeah!. Wide MS standards adoption = why we all have viruses and malware.
Look, I hate MS for some of the things they do as much as the next guy. And I love apple for some of the things the do almost as much as the next apple cult member, but you have to admit that the typical slashdot reaction to MS/Apple/Linux is kneejerk, predictable and just a little bit hypocritical.
Not only does MS sell thier OS to OEMs, but you can put together parts and install MS and it will run just fine.
Apple restricts their OS to machines they build, and they charge top dollar, and yet they're beloved on/. and MS is the great evil.
What's even worse is we know Apple can run on PCs, and their proving that as we speak, and yet, when they switch over, they'll add an evil little chip to make sure your Mobo is one they sold you.
How's that for a monopoly?
flamebait? Fine, This, in my humble opinion, is why science SHOULD leave America.
Look, many scientists came to America to escape persucution, including religious persecution. We've benefited greatly from other countries losses.
Now we've got Kansas redefining the scientific method to make a case for the book of Genesis and we've got this congressman intimidating these scientists to please his oil and energy campaing financers and I'm thinking if I'm a scientist, why should I put up with this bullshit. I'll go to Japan or Germany and practice science where the truth isn't silenced to keep a few religious zealots and a few rich oil companies happy.
And as for hte republican dig, well most republicans are on the wrong side of both of these arguments.
So there, take your flame bait and shove it up you r modding ass.
whatever. Keep believing what they tell you- except for the fact that it keeps changing. First Rove has NOTHING to do with it, and Bush will fire anyone involved. Then Rove knew about it, but from someone else first. Then "I didn't say her name" excuse coupled with Bush will only fire those found guilty. What's next - they'll blame the leak on the hacker? Keep us all posted with the current talking points so that we'll know what to believe. Please, because we can't think for ourselves. Nope, gotta have it spun.
Look, I appreciate your attempt to keep wild hair brain ideas out of slashdot. It's especially noble on a post with audio from a man who believes we have anti-gravity technology reverse engineered from the UFOs, what back in the twenties?
But anyone with a clue has to know that my initial point is still valid (and on-topic), no matter what excuse you make for Rove.
Tell you what, comeback here in a year and lets see who gets the worse punishment. Whoever is ultimately proven responsible for the Plame leak, or this UFO hacker?
I'll bet you it's our UFO hacker, and not our beloved leaker.
Who did more harm to America? Arguably neither, but I'm pretty sure looking at UFO photoshops is not as bad as revealing the name of a CIA agent, yet I'm sure the hacker will get a worse punishment than the leaker.
Oh well, I'm sure I'm not supposed to question equality of crime and punishment, I'll just believe whatever you guys tell us. Go ahead, explain this one to me and give me a little flag to wave and a Toby Keith song to sing.
we really need an edit thing. I meant to say, WTF, blank passwords. See, the WTF applies to the fact that these high level pentagon machines have blank passwords. then, with that established, comment about how he doesn't deserve 80 years if they passwords were blank.
Sorry.
Karl Rove reveals the identity of a US SPY during a time of war and he'll likely get a promotion. This guy hacks in to look at some pictures of weather balloons and they're ready to brand him a cyber terrorist. FTS.
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Is Parent doing more than trolling? If the game allows for muggings, then muggings are allowed. If they don't want muggings, then they should not allow items to drop out on the floor when people beat you up, or not allow those items to transfer, or what not.
In the REAL WORLD it's agains the law to mug people, but in a fake game it's defined by the rules of the game, and the laws of the real world shouldn't apply.
besides, you're analogy would only be good if someone was trying to blame the maker of the virtual weapon used in the virtual mugging. I don't play this game, but presumably there could be some dude who makes weapons and sells them as his thing, and if you blamed him for making the weapon used in the mugging, then maybe your analogy would be less troll-like.
Dr. Dobbs had a blurb about TI's chips being cracked in 2 hours by a research team.
e =off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aof ficial&q=RFID+encryption+cracked&btnG=Search
I'm thinking the real bad guys will welcome something like the relatively simple encryption used in most RFID devices.
http://www.google.com/search?hs=xlx&hl=en&lr=&saf
Is this a pity party for freakin MS?
Now, I've defended them, and got attacked by apple fans - and people with dictionaries - once before on this site, but come on.
MS has done some good things, and if they weren't so freakin power hungry, we'd probably be much more greatful, but their entire embrace and extend and then control mentality is why they are the great evil.
even though everyone loves a winner, nobody likes a bully.
So for now (at least while do no harm holds true), I love the fact that really smart people have a choice between google and Ms when it comes to employment. ROCK ON Amanda! And the rest of us have a choice when it comes to operating systems that you can use without becoming a level 74 dungeon master first.
what the hell is wrong with X11 and matrox mystiques? It's not like it's a winmodem. Oh, sure, it'll recognize the 1mb trident, but I'd like a little more than 640x480@256.
being able to drag sections of a page is HUGE
This is the first I've seen of it. It's as big of a change in behaviour and thinking as being able to pan around the way google maps lets you.
I mean, on the web you expect to see some dumb navigation compass that moves the thing up or down, left or right, and a slider for zooming. Or worse, sliders for all of those things. That's how it's been for some time. But google made it so that you can click and drag and the damn map moves.
WOW.
This is just as huge. I've been using my.yahoo for a long time, and there is the edit panel that lets you tell it how many columns and what sections, nad in what order with an advanced (for the time) list box that dynamically changes when you hilight the choice and hit the up or down arrow button. (I remember learning how to do that and thinking how far we've come from the old days)
but, man, this ajax shit is cool. click and drag sections! I know some desktop aps that haven't/won't figure out how to do this yet.
Freaking awesome, even if that is their only innovation and all that ever comes from it, that's enough.
http://vb.mvps.org/
.net for the longest time.
I'm thinking the rest of the crowd just relearned how to use vb, and he and a handful of stickouts kept trying to use the old VB and now look what's happened.
vb.net will work in the next version of windows. vb6 won't, or something, they have some petition. I haven't read it.
I remember being afraid of
Anyway, the point is MS doesn't care what this guy or anyone else thinks. His little revolt reminds me of the tiananmen square guy.
"looks like starwars is truly done"
Damn. I was hoping for the final three movies.
ah well.
wow! Blimey me, I guess they arrested the wrong chap!
(sorry, I just watched the family guy where the pub gets bought out buy the british.)
thanks for the info.
that's the point. If open wifi is illegal, they cable/internet providers know they'll be able to get everyone to pay 50-80 bucks a month.
If open wifi is legal, you'll have people leeching off one guy, or worse! neighbors going in on it together.
I remember back in the day people used to split the cable bill with their neighbors, and split the line at one house and run it to two or even three houses themselves.
But then the cable companies started arresting people who did this and now we all have to pay for our own cable. Hell, Satellite people have to pay for each freaking TV Set.
That's the goal of the companies, pay for each IP address. Fortunately we're winning that war, but unless we demand some common sense from the legislators on this new front we're going to lose legal open wifi and we'll be that much closer to finding our routers are now illegal.
WHAT!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME????
Hijacking involves taking control away from the proper controlling authority. Hijacking an airplane, for example means taking control of the airplane and making the crew fly you to some strange place or into a building.
What this guy did was not taking control of the internet, he simply used the internet. It's not like carjacking, it's more like hitching a ride on a locomotive. He got a free ride, but that's A FAR CRY FROM HIJACKING.
Next, it's not like plucking the flowers. If you pluck the flowers they won't be there for me to look it. It's more like if my front yard had shade and it was 110 degrees out and as you were walking home you paused for a minute under my tree. Now sure, being American I have every right to shoot your ass for trespassing, but I don't think I could have you arrested for stealing shade.
The open air network analogy...well consider this one, jackass. I have an ipod with a little FM Transmitter. It's designed to be low-range, for my car only, but if you're next to me and you hit scan on your radio and it picks up a song you like you leave it on that station. But oh my fucking god, it's not a real radio station, it's my ipod! You should go to jail now, right?
Wrong, asshole. Wrong.
No! Not the same. A better analogy would be if I put a TV out in the middle of my front yard, and put the remote on the sidewalk.
Using someone's wireless is not like peeping in someone's house. Using someone's wireless to gain access to thier home computer is like peeping in someone's house, but simply using thier wifi is more like if I put the TV out in the front yard.
I imagine if you searched for sites talking about 9-11 pre-9-11-2001 you'd find some interesting things. Post 9-11 there were a zillion references, but pre-9-11 there couldn't have been that many.
Same with the london bomings, no?
They're already mad that MS hasn't made software buggy enough to require a next gen system.
Last week it was an article on running W2k on a 500 or something, and now this.
Good for users, bad for retailers. (or is it, who's to say I don't want the latest 64 bit all everything and a 500 chugging away in the corner.)
You know you thought of it too. Great! I just finished the code. Now all I need are some dead people or some foreigners.
No one got their panties in a bunch until hot coffee came out and allowed access to "porn".
There's plenty of violence as bad or worse as GTA on network tv every night. No one cares. They care about boobies. Janet Jackson shows a nipple and the FCC gets involved, but Law and Order last night had the gruesome details of a rape, then the murder of the rapist by the rape victim. Compelling drama they say. Sure, if that's what turns you on.
Think it's just a coincidence that they wanted to replace the M rating with an A for GTA? A Scarlet A - that is.
So maybe monopoly isn't the right word, but hear me out.
This article is complaining about the cost of being "forced" to get a windows os with purchase of a new machine.
All I'm saying is consider the cost of being "forced" to purchase a mac inorder to run OSX.
If OSX is superior to windows, then it makes sense to want to run OSX. Now, in order to do so you "have" to buy a mac. So apple has as much a monopoly on machines that can run OSX as windows does on software that runs on x86 machines - more so given there aren't any non-macs that I know of that can run osx and there are hundreds if not thousands of oses that run on x86.
Look, I get that apple is free to make and sell proprietary oses and proprietary hardware. I'm just curious as to why Apple's proprietary lock-in is ok, where as something like MSHTML, or JScript, or VisualBasic or WORD or anyother MS proprietary technology is EVIL.
The same argument that says Apples work because Apple makes the hardware and the software can be applied to MSOFFICE and IE are excellent apps because MS makes the OS and the applications.
And the same thinking that say Linux is good because it can be run on any architecture can be applied to saying that windows is good because it can run on most hardware - freeing you, the consumer, to buy whatever Motherboard, ram, processor you want - just like Linux!!!!
HA, you all hate me because you know it's true. In many respects we are hypocrites when it comes to apple, linux and MS.
MS Proprietary = bad. Apple's proprietary = good. wtf? Linuxes portability = good, MS portability = bad. Wide Linux standards adoption = interoperability yeah!. Wide MS standards adoption = why we all have viruses and malware.
Look, I hate MS for some of the things they do as much as the next guy. And I love apple for some of the things the do almost as much as the next apple cult member, but you have to admit that the typical slashdot reaction to MS/Apple/Linux is kneejerk, predictable and just a little bit hypocritical.
Not only does MS sell thier OS to OEMs, but you can put together parts and install MS and it will run just fine. Apple restricts their OS to machines they build, and they charge top dollar, and yet they're beloved on /. and MS is the great evil.
What's even worse is we know Apple can run on PCs, and their proving that as we speak, and yet, when they switch over, they'll add an evil little chip to make sure your Mobo is one they sold you.
How's that for a monopoly?
My cell phone told me this yesterday!
Why don't they just reverse engineer one from the aliens?!? :)
point taken. well said.
flamebait? Fine, This, in my humble opinion, is why science SHOULD leave America.
Look, many scientists came to America to escape persucution, including religious persecution. We've benefited greatly from other countries losses.
Now we've got Kansas redefining the scientific method to make a case for the book of Genesis and we've got this congressman intimidating these scientists to please his oil and energy campaing financers and I'm thinking if I'm a scientist, why should I put up with this bullshit. I'll go to Japan or Germany and practice science where the truth isn't silenced to keep a few religious zealots and a few rich oil companies happy.
And as for hte republican dig, well most republicans are on the wrong side of both of these arguments.
So there, take your flame bait and shove it up you r modding ass.
whatever. Keep believing what they tell you- except for the fact that it keeps changing. First Rove has NOTHING to do with it, and Bush will fire anyone involved. Then Rove knew about it, but from someone else first. Then "I didn't say her name" excuse coupled with Bush will only fire those found guilty. What's next - they'll blame the leak on the hacker? Keep us all posted with the current talking points so that we'll know what to believe. Please, because we can't think for ourselves. Nope, gotta have it spun.
Look, I appreciate your attempt to keep wild hair brain ideas out of slashdot. It's especially noble on a post with audio from a man who believes we have anti-gravity technology reverse engineered from the UFOs, what back in the twenties?
But anyone with a clue has to know that my initial point is still valid (and on-topic), no matter what excuse you make for Rove.
Tell you what, comeback here in a year and lets see who gets the worse punishment. Whoever is ultimately proven responsible for the Plame leak, or this UFO hacker?
I'll bet you it's our UFO hacker, and not our beloved leaker.
Who did more harm to America? Arguably neither, but I'm pretty sure looking at UFO photoshops is not as bad as revealing the name of a CIA agent, yet I'm sure the hacker will get a worse punishment than the leaker.
Oh well, I'm sure I'm not supposed to question equality of crime and punishment, I'll just believe whatever you guys tell us. Go ahead, explain this one to me and give me a little flag to wave and a Toby Keith song to sing.
we really need an edit thing. I meant to say, WTF, blank passwords. See, the WTF applies to the fact that these high level pentagon machines have blank passwords. then, with that established, comment about how he doesn't deserve 80 years if they passwords were blank. Sorry.
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!! They have no right to bust him if they didn't even bother to set a password, much less a decent password.
Karl Rove reveals the identity of a US SPY during a time of war and he'll likely get a promotion. This guy hacks in to look at some pictures of weather balloons and they're ready to brand him a cyber terrorist. FTS.