One thing no browser seems to do well - and MSIE on the Mac is abysmal at this - is ignoring threads which have no purpose anymore, as the user has chosen to hook up with a new link.
Scenario: You start to load apple.slashdot, and there are a lot of embedded URLs. About 10% through the load you see a link you want to jump to immediately. So you click it. If you do this on IE for the Mac, you can wait a long time, because the brainiacs who write IE for the Mac let this poor thread compete with all the others already in Q. When it finally gets its chance to run, you can see some progress, but until then you will load GIF after GIF etc on a page you no longer want to see.
It is painfully obvious that all these GETs should be ignored, the threads they run in should be orphaned, but it is as per usual obvious the Microsofties just don't get it.
Things could get very interesting... considering who Apple has on board today... if their BSD tree became as popular or more than the other variants out there, if they became equated with BSD in general.
> Forget tcsh and get bash [sourceforge.net] bash is included in Jaguar. > Go to Fink and snag a ton of cool Open Source apps. Go to the ADC and get a ton of cool open source apps. > Forget sudo and enable root access (I forget how, I don't have an OS X box in front of me), then use su. That's a matter of taste. > somewhere in your home directory (don't remember where) This one's hard, so you're excused.
Due, what I know, to file and directory refs used in HFS+. The word is a lot of this stuff will be phased out of OS X in time, but yes, there are legacy machines that need compatibility for now.
Uh - what's wrong with enthusiasm? Last I heard, CmdrTaco and Hemos were both using OS X on PowerBooks, and Taco called OS X 'the missing piece of the puzzle'. Where's the conflict? Seems to me someone is flamebaiting, fearful that the unrevered RMS might find himself in a jam. And as for paying for stuff that works - isn't that exactly what Linus himself told RMS not too long ago?
People speaking highly of OS X usability are not fanatics or Linux Puritans - they just want to get the job done on quality hardware, and nothing does it like OS X on a Mac. End of story.
Hear hear. I'd like to know what's overpriced as well.
To me, overpriced is going into a Gateway Country shop and finding that staff can't even get a DvD to play on their top-of-the-line piece of junk contraption for over $3600, and then finding a PowerBook can do everything the Gateway could not do for over $1000 less.
Overpriced is rummaging around SourceForge for half-baked broken apps and tools, when I can just go to ADC and download tons of stuff and build it all in my Project Builder, and 'it just works', like everything else on the system.
Overpriced is looking for a driver to run some rum card and never getting it to work right, as opposed to just using a Mac and never having to worry about it.
Is a Ferrari overpriced? A BMW? As old JP (Morgan) was wont to say, 'if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it.'
Thanks for the tip about legacy software. Also - and correct me if I am wrong - there are certain issues with the way OS X assigns icons to folders and the like. Not all of this will be possible with UFs.
With the risk that you are getting more than you bargained for, here goes.
Journaling is the process whereby a file system keeps track (keeps a journal) of its operations, along with a 'pointer' to where it is in its 'todo' list. Cutler called this 'transaction-based' on his NTFS. When an operation, such as a copy or move, is planned, the system makes an entry both for the operation as planned and for what would be needed to reverse it. The system holds an 'atomic' pointer that is only advanced when the system knows an operation is complete and flushed to disk.
NTFS has been historically impossible to screw up because of this. (NT's Registry runs the same way, another layer of journalism on top of the file system's.) If the power goes, the system will see at next boot that an operation was underway but not completed. It can then 1) undo what has been (partially) done; and 2) complete the operation properly.
Yes. And we who are not on the inside of the advertising industry might not have realized what Apple was getting at. They have no doubt been fully aware what phonies MS are and may have been making an effort to demonstrate that they were not the same.
That's the great thing about/.: news found here are NOT ignored by the rest of the world, by the mainstream.
I just found this thread because someone sent me a link to a Yahoo! News! Story!
Now if Yahoo! News! is carrying it already, how many other media will have it by morning?
No, I disagree: thank heavens for/.!
This is just too good. Thanks for a great sleuthing job for all around. MS can be so pathetic. Getty is one of Bill's acquisitions too. Adolf Hitler ought to come back from the dead and bring the good Doctor G. with him. Bill could teach them a thing or two. But really, it's so pathetic. Great thanks for/. figuring this one out and putting MS up against the wall.
- Required reading is a book on Java. To me, this is a helluva way to teach programming to beginners. They don't learn anything about the machines they're dealing with - and as a result, you're going to get more of the bloated and bugged output you have today.
I don't give a royal hoot about objects - not where beginners are concerned. How about register shifts, how about how an accumulator works, how about some frikkin assembler?
These people are being taught to fly and they can't even crawl. Major disaster.
I really really really beg to differ with you here.
NextStep was light years ahead of the pack ten years ago, and they're even more so today. All right, eschew graphics and deny they have any effect on you, but who will admit that? NextStep ideas are phenomenal. Or how about onscreen pixels being shared between windows and the desktop? Or how about being able to steer the opacity of any window you create? The Apple GUI doesn't have to be a design victory - it's the NS developers saying 'here, look at this, see if you can do it', knowing full well no one else can. Apple has photographic quality icons; Microsoft has the Teletubbies; and Linux has kindergarten sketches. It's the inherent possibilities, and not just the taste and the design. NS can go in any direction it wants. Vis the new 'textured window' interface: all you have to do is click a single checkbox and any application you want will come up like Calculator, iCal, iChat, and iTunes. And you don't have to be a developer to do it. Any 2yo idiot can figure it out. When you use things like EPS and PDF on the desktop; when you measure screen coordinates in frikkin floating point; when you have 16 bits or more to define a primary additive colour, and not 8 - then you begin to realise where these guys are floating, and how hopelessly far behind they've left the rest of the world.
> I WANT OSX on the intel platform !!!
What - so you can run it on your crappy hardware?
You just don't get it, do you?
JP Morgan was said to know something about what people get for money.
TiBooks are capable machines, but they're sensitive. Your graphite exterior is going to mar easily.
The most reasonable explanation for this that I have heard is that the anodised aluminum which was the obvious choice didn't sound cool enough to Steve Jobs.
If you want a knock-about machine, nothing beats the iBook. It's durable and can stand a lot more pain.
If I had to do it again I would not get a Tibook, but would instead start with a Power Mac with dual G4s and then an iBook that I knew I could punish if I wanted to.
As for the operating system itself, what remains to be said? The web was built on its precursor. Jaguar is very stable, and yes of course it is Unix, but I am not sure you are going to get all the flexibility you get with the penguin and for example the KDE desktop tools. Apple's Finder will try to hide things from you, just like you got used to old Billg doing.
Right now we're working on a program to replace the Finder - and not use the Finder interface to navigate the disk, but use the actual Unix underneath, so we can see - and manage - everything. Working through a terminal to rid your system of what you don't want (such as several thousand foreign language directories) is just too much work - and no, shell scripts won't do it, and I don't care what any of the geeks out there say. They'll be revising their scripts at doomsday and still promising results.
TiBooks are sexy as hell - yes, Austin Powers uses one, lots of people do (I do too hehe). But I am not sure it is the box of choice.
Now the G5 TiBook... I have been hearing murmurs about this machine for the past year. Tomorrow's hardware is always better than today's, but I would hold off until I heard something definitive about the G5 - preferably dual G5s under the bonnet hehe.
As for prices - you won't do all that good. BMWs cost money too - and this is the equivalent in the IT field. What you can do is purchase yesterday's top models. Those you will get cheaper. Otherwise stick with middle of the road models, and avoid the funky ones that they don't make too often, or that have to be specially assembled and shipped to you directly from Taiwan. It's a great feeling to get a box like that, but they may possibly have not ironed out all the bugs.
Spam is not a technical issue; it's a political one. The best way to eliminate spam is to make sure legislators worldwide can't get away from it, and get so pissed off at it they rise off their over-privileged butts and start doing something to stop it.
Microsoft always buy; and they always ruin (what they buy). What's amazing here is the nearly $400 million in cash. Looks like Gates will have to do without pizza next weekend.
Get Hollywood to the Moon. They could make some badass movies there. Call Ronnie Howard - he could probably shoot a sequel to Apollo 13 there, they'd have closer to real weightlessness.
And Spielberg could write this new script about Close Encounters of the Moon Kind, and maybe about attacks in the Sea of Tranquility by huge mutha sharks with laser beams on their heads.
Get Hollywood to pay. We'd be better off. Mann could open a cineplex and close Grauman's. Then we could use the money where it's really needed: to take care of people on this planet who are crying out for our help.
> The value is the ability to buy a server, install it, and have "the MCSE monkey" administer it with zero training.
Yep, that's it all right - but it doesn't speak well of the world we live in. What's happened to it all when these kinds of people replace the truly gifted engineers? Speak of value to the cheesy company - but speak of damage to the IT industry as a whole - caused by the meglomaniac Bill Gates.
Slashdot Mirror
One thing no browser seems to do well - and MSIE on the Mac is abysmal at this - is ignoring threads which have no purpose anymore, as the user has chosen to hook up with a new link.
Scenario: You start to load apple.slashdot, and there are a lot of embedded URLs. About 10% through the load you see a link you want to jump to immediately. So you click it. If you do this on IE for the Mac, you can wait a long time, because the brainiacs who write IE for the Mac let this poor thread compete with all the others already in Q. When it finally gets its chance to run, you can see some progress, but until then you will load GIF after GIF etc on a page you no longer want to see.
It is painfully obvious that all these GETs should be ignored, the threads they run in should be orphaned, but it is as per usual obvious the Microsofties just don't get it.
Sorry. This is trolling or flaming. The guy was trying to help webmasters with a few tricks for staying compatible.
Things could get very interesting... considering who Apple has on board today... if their BSD tree became as popular or more than the other variants out there, if they became equated with BSD in general.
Maybe they're thinking of this already...
R.
Yeah, I use Darwin. I use it because it came installed on my computer.
I run a PowerBook.
(Hahahaha.)
> Forget tcsh and get bash [sourceforge.net]
bash is included in Jaguar.
> Go to Fink and snag a ton of cool Open Source apps.
Go to the ADC and get a ton of cool open source apps.
> Forget sudo and enable root access (I forget how, I don't have an OS X box in front of me), then use su.
That's a matter of taste.
> somewhere in your home directory (don't remember where)
This one's hard, so you're excused.
~/Pictures
R.
Due, what I know, to file and directory refs used in HFS+. The word is a lot of this stuff will be phased out of OS X in time, but yes, there are legacy machines that need compatibility for now.
R.
> I'm amazed that there seems to be no default way of running virtual screens in OS X
What I know, the new PowerBook can do this.
R.
Uh - what's wrong with enthusiasm? Last I heard, CmdrTaco and Hemos were both using OS X on PowerBooks, and Taco called OS X 'the missing piece of the puzzle'. Where's the conflict? Seems to me someone is flamebaiting, fearful that the unrevered RMS might find himself in a jam. And as for paying for stuff that works - isn't that exactly what Linus himself told RMS not too long ago?
People speaking highly of OS X usability are not fanatics or Linux Puritans - they just want to get the job done on quality hardware, and nothing does it like OS X on a Mac. End of story.
The Rixster
Hear hear. I'd like to know what's overpriced as well.
To me, overpriced is going into a Gateway Country shop and finding that staff can't even get a DvD to play on their top-of-the-line piece of junk contraption for over $3600, and then finding a PowerBook can do everything the Gateway could not do for over $1000 less.
Overpriced is rummaging around SourceForge for half-baked broken apps and tools, when I can just go to ADC and download tons of stuff and build it all in my Project Builder, and 'it just works', like everything else on the system.
Overpriced is looking for a driver to run some rum card and never getting it to work right, as opposed to just using a Mac and never having to worry about it.
Is a Ferrari overpriced? A BMW? As old JP (Morgan) was wont to say, 'if you have to ask the price, you can't afford it.'
The Rixster
Oh wow. What a bad trip.
Thanks for the tip about legacy software. Also - and correct me if I am wrong - there are certain issues with the way OS X assigns icons to folders and the like. Not all of this will be possible with UFs.
With the risk that you are getting more than you bargained for, here goes.
Journaling is the process whereby a file system keeps track (keeps a journal) of its operations, along with a 'pointer' to where it is in its 'todo' list. Cutler called this 'transaction-based' on his NTFS. When an operation, such as a copy or move, is planned, the system makes an entry both for the operation as planned and for what would be needed to reverse it. The system holds an 'atomic' pointer that is only advanced when the system knows an operation is complete and flushed to disk.
NTFS has been historically impossible to screw up because of this. (NT's Registry runs the same way, another layer of journalism on top of the file system's.) If the power goes, the system will see at next boot that an operation was underway but not completed. It can then 1) undo what has been (partially) done; and 2) complete the operation properly.
Hope that helps.
Yes. And we who are not on the inside of the advertising industry might not have realized what Apple was getting at. They have no doubt been fully aware what phonies MS are and may have been making an effort to demonstrate that they were not the same.
I like your tag! How about...
[C# release];
That's the great thing about /.: news found here are NOT ignored by the rest of the world, by the mainstream.
I just found this thread because someone sent me a link to a Yahoo! News! Story!
Now if Yahoo! News! is carrying it already, how many other media will have it by morning?
No, I disagree: thank heavens for /.!
This is just too good. Thanks for a great sleuthing job for all around. MS can be so pathetic. Getty is one of Bill's acquisitions too. Adolf Hitler ought to come back from the dead and bring the good Doctor G. with him. Bill could teach them a thing or two. But really, it's so pathetic. Great thanks for /. figuring this one out and putting MS up against the wall.
The electric car has other capabilities. Like toning down mid-eastern conflicts and putting a few select Texans in the poorhouse.
- Required reading is a book on Java. To me, this is a helluva way to teach programming to beginners. They don't learn anything about the machines they're dealing with - and as a result, you're going to get more of the bloated and bugged output you have today.
I don't give a royal hoot about objects - not where beginners are concerned. How about register shifts, how about how an accumulator works, how about some frikkin assembler?
These people are being taught to fly and they can't even crawl. Major disaster.
I really really really beg to differ with you here.
NextStep was light years ahead of the pack ten years ago, and they're even more so today. All right, eschew graphics and deny they have any effect on you, but who will admit that? NextStep ideas are phenomenal. Or how about onscreen pixels being shared between windows and the desktop? Or how about being able to steer the opacity of any window you create? The Apple GUI doesn't have to be a design victory - it's the NS developers saying 'here, look at this, see if you can do it', knowing full well no one else can. Apple has photographic quality icons; Microsoft has the Teletubbies; and Linux has kindergarten sketches. It's the inherent possibilities, and not just the taste and the design. NS can go in any direction it wants. Vis the new 'textured window' interface: all you have to do is click a single checkbox and any application you want will come up like Calculator, iCal, iChat, and iTunes. And you don't have to be a developer to do it. Any 2yo idiot can figure it out. When you use things like EPS and PDF on the desktop; when you measure screen coordinates in frikkin floating point; when you have 16 bits or more to define a primary additive colour, and not 8 - then you begin to realise where these guys are floating, and how hopelessly far behind they've left the rest of the world.
Yes. They're workhorses, the iBooks. Don't go for flash when buying - look at the 'labels'.
> I WANT OSX on the intel platform !!! What - so you can run it on your crappy hardware? You just don't get it, do you? JP Morgan was said to know something about what people get for money.
Hemos:
TiBooks are capable machines, but they're sensitive. Your graphite exterior is going to mar easily.
The most reasonable explanation for this that I have heard is that the anodised aluminum which was the obvious choice didn't sound cool enough to Steve Jobs.
If you want a knock-about machine, nothing beats the iBook. It's durable and can stand a lot more pain.
If I had to do it again I would not get a Tibook, but would instead start with a Power Mac with dual G4s and then an iBook that I knew I could punish if I wanted to.
As for the operating system itself, what remains to be said? The web was built on its precursor. Jaguar is very stable, and yes of course it is Unix, but I am not sure you are going to get all the flexibility you get with the penguin and for example the KDE desktop tools. Apple's Finder will try to hide things from you, just like you got used to old Billg doing.
Right now we're working on a program to replace the Finder - and not use the Finder interface to navigate the disk, but use the actual Unix underneath, so we can see - and manage - everything. Working through a terminal to rid your system of what you don't want (such as several thousand foreign language directories) is just too much work - and no, shell scripts won't do it, and I don't care what any of the geeks out there say. They'll be revising their scripts at doomsday and still promising results.
TiBooks are sexy as hell - yes, Austin Powers uses one, lots of people do (I do too hehe). But I am not sure it is the box of choice.
Now the G5 TiBook... I have been hearing murmurs about this machine for the past year. Tomorrow's hardware is always better than today's, but I would hold off until I heard something definitive about the G5 - preferably dual G5s under the bonnet hehe.
As for prices - you won't do all that good. BMWs cost money too - and this is the equivalent in the IT field. What you can do is purchase yesterday's top models. Those you will get cheaper. Otherwise stick with middle of the road models, and avoid the funky ones that they don't make too often, or that have to be specially assembled and shipped to you directly from Taiwan. It's a great feeling to get a box like that, but they may possibly have not ironed out all the bugs.
Good luck.
Spam is not a technical issue; it's a political one. The best way to eliminate spam is to make sure legislators worldwide can't get away from it, and get so pissed off at it they rise off their over-privileged butts and start doing something to stop it.
Microsoft always buy; and they always ruin (what they buy). What's amazing here is the nearly $400 million in cash. Looks like Gates will have to do without pizza next weekend.
Get Hollywood to the Moon. They could make some badass movies there. Call Ronnie Howard - he could probably shoot a sequel to Apollo 13 there, they'd have closer to real weightlessness. And Spielberg could write this new script about Close Encounters of the Moon Kind, and maybe about attacks in the Sea of Tranquility by huge mutha sharks with laser beams on their heads. Get Hollywood to pay. We'd be better off. Mann could open a cineplex and close Grauman's. Then we could use the money where it's really needed: to take care of people on this planet who are crying out for our help.
> The value is the ability to buy a server, install it, and have "the MCSE monkey" administer it with zero training.
Yep, that's it all right - but it doesn't speak well of the world we live in. What's happened to it all when these kinds of people replace the truly gifted engineers? Speak of value to the cheesy company - but speak of damage to the IT industry as a whole - caused by the meglomaniac Bill Gates.