Just great... Tomorrow morning, Jobs starts working on yet ANOTHER version update of MacOS. "Hey everybody, they found a new cat, we can finally do that new version we've been planning!"
Let's make it simple. Let's just legislate against stupidity and be done with it. Whatever your crime, if you were stupid during the commission of the crime, you get an extra 5 years in jail.
Wouldn't that be much simpler than these silly knee-jerk reactions to specific un-problems?
12.5 mil is a sneeze to these guys. It will barely pay for the cost of the 3-year investigation. It's the FCC saying "Hey guys, we're done, but we don't want to admit we paid millions for this investigation. Can you pay for us?"
4200 hours of independent programming? Great. Cue 4200 different stations all owned by the same guys playing 1 hour of "independent" material gleaned from wholy-owned subsidiaries of the same companies that got busted, and that 1 hour will be from 2-3 AM on a Sunday.
The whole thing is a make-work project that won't change a damn thing. No fine that actually means something, no meaningful changes... nothing. But everyone can claim something special was done, nothing will change, and in 2 or 3 years the same thing will happen again.
This isn't even bread and circuses for the masses, this is crumbs. I don't call shenannigans, I call pathetic.
You have a moral responsibility to encourage data to be safe.
If you push it, you're quite likely to get stonewalled, destroy your future at the company, and possibly hasten the demise of your job.
If you plan a long future at this company and can live with the moral ambiguity, shut up and leave it until you're higher up in the chain.
If you can live with possibly losing career opportunities, make your complaints, but target the right person. Usually most companies will have someone who's actually supposed to make sure data is secure and privacy is assured. Find them and explain things to them.
If you really don't care about the job, make a good list of all the problems, written out and carefully phrased, and push it as far up the chain as you can. You'll get shit for it, maybe tossed, but with those concerns sitting on the CEOs desk, it's quite unlikely they'll get forgotten.
At the end of the day, it just depends on your personal moral standing.
This is a nice little bit of crafting. Although it's not entirely a "hack", it's not like he breadboarded the keyboard controller or something, it's still a nice piece of work. I certainly wouldn't be above having one on my desk (though I'd have to make it ergo).
Of course, he DID desecrate a Model M to do it. So he's going to hell. But it's still a nice bit of work.
Of course we know what the sentence is trying to say, but if we don't make noise over how poorly it says it, there's never any chance of people learning to write properly.
Wow... If I can infect your system with a trojan and drop files onto your hard drive and then remotely run code, I can get you to click OK to a box that could infect your system.
Truly groundbreaking work here. Seriously, I mean, if all I have to do to possibly infect your system, is infect your system... well hell, Vista will probably be recalled!
As usual, TFA doesn't live up to the summary hype. But that won't stop the MS haters from jumping on board with a "See! It's broken!"
Really, the story for me here is "Someone infects your Vista with a bug and tries to elevate the program to Admin, and even though you're infected Vista STILL pops up a warning box... it just happens to be green instead of orange."
You can take a British TV set to Australia (and vice versa), and even receive pictures, but the programmes will be the wrong way up.
It's true, I swear.
Sounds to me like turning the tube/tele upside down is the way to go.;-)
It's fast. It's cheap. It's easy. And, best of all TVs are easily re-flipped for shows that don't need conversion. Channel surfing becomes challenging though....
Thanks for telling all of Australia how to violate the DMCA. You're going to turn them into a continent of criminals!!
I seem to recall this, or something very similar, happened with the F-14 (or maybe it was the F-18) when it crossed the equator. It's really encouraging to see that your new, global military, still isn't thinking globally.
Unless this was a secretly planted bug to stop the Chinese from stealing a Raptor and flying to to Beijing. I mean, it is 2007, so Firefox (the movie) should have just made it to China...
Back in the day, I was strapped for cash and hardware, but I wanted some server action. So I installed Win2000 Advanced Server on a P1-200mhz with 32MB (if I recall right, might have been 64 or whatever was the min required to install). EDO ram. Most services running (WINS, DNS, file sharing, 2 NICs to serve as a gateway and firewall, print servers, etc). It was Ok for the first little bit. After a month or so though, it started to go downhill. At one point, I restarted it when I woke up in the morning, and it was ready to log 5 hours later. File transfer speeds measured in KB/S, not MB. A habit of crashing for no reason, requiring multihour restart cycles. I probably taxed it too much, with an ATI tv card install, gateway software,and other gizmos. It also got a few viruses that didn't properly clean.
Eventually it was replaced by other hardware, but for the longest time it was my leverage around the household. Anytime someone did something I didn't want, I'd threaten to put the P200 back as the network server. I usually got my way.
While it does sound from TFA that he had a hard time of it, the article also has him complaining about all the time it took with tech support for each machine. A whole 20 minutes? They made him turn it off and back on? They actually did troubleshooting? ZOMG!
I'd rather have a competent tech on the other end of the phone who makes me walk through the basic steps to make sure it really is broken, rather than a tech who goes "Thanks for calling MS... it doesn't work?... ok, we'll send you a new one. Bye!". The former is a sign of a company that hires decent people to do their job well, the latter is a sign of a company that hires any schmuck off the street and then rewards him for having a 2 minute call length average.
And, speaking as someone who had to argue with 3 different techs at Telus to convince them that there was actually something called a "Default Gateway", and no, it wasn't a proprietary setting for the device I was connecting, and no, it wasn't 192.168.0.1... I'll take competent techs who make me check the basics any day.
All that said, he does sound like he got a bad batch. TFA mentions he bought the majority at one time, which could be a reason, but it also mentions that at least 4 of the machines were used in a gaming cafe. Machines take a lot of abuse there, whether you're keeping an eye on them or not, so again, I'm not surprised. Really, a different spin on the article should be "360 owner sends 7 defective units back to MS, MS replaces them and doesn't accuse him of breaking them himself". Really, many hardware vendors I've had to deal with get a little suspicious after you return items for the 3rd or 4th time. I actually had to threaten legal action against a graphic card remanufacturer in order to get them to replace my card after the 4th time their cheap fan died and fried the GPU, out of a batch of 5 I'd purchased.
It's FUD that you need 4GB to run Vista at more than a snails pace.
I want RAM prices to come down because I'd like some more. I'm fine with my 1 gig, but it'd be fun to have more be affordable. Hopefully all the (fud) noise about "Vista needs 32GB to run" will encourage another step down in RAM prices for low-end sticks, and maybe I can go buy a 2gig stick.
The same thing happened with XP. Everyone spazzed that it needed a tonne (even though I have run it fine with 256, and stripped down with 128), and 1/2 and 1 gig sticks became much more affordable. Now, maybe the same will happen, and 1 and 2 gig sticks will become more affordable.
Hopefully that makes more sense than your gross and twisted simplification. If not, let me know, I'll type it slower.
The really sad thing about parent is that, despite looking like a knee-jerk troll reaction when first posted, based on this thread, it ended up being downright prophetic. Makes you want to cry.
Pretty sad, eh? Thing is, I didn't post it as a troll... I knew the thread would devolve into it. I'm not psychic. I just know the gathering call of the anti-MS crowd all too well... and anytime anyone mentions RAM, that's the best thing to draw them out.
This will just be more fodder for the anti-Vista crowd... "Oh noes, 4gb ram? I can't POSSIBLY afford that! But I also can't POSSIBLY turn that service off. I'll never be able to use Vista! M$, I hate you!"
Really, the good thing about this is maybe it will spur an increase in RAM sizes. I'm sick of 1 gig sticks being the only affordable ones. I want 2 and 4 gig sticks to come down in price, maybe this will help.
The issue isn't about power users vs regular lusers. The issue is about respecting the I.T. department. Power users are fine, even helpful. It's the power users who think they're better than IT, or don't respect the process of getting stuff done right, or run around doing what they think they should because those IT dolts will take forever... those are the folks who cause the problems.
I have a few power users here, we had a discussion about what they should and shouldn't do with their computers, and they respect that and they respect how to get things done and changed. I know they can install a printer or app on their own, but they follow the process, and I give them some latitude. I have many more Power Lusers here, who think that because they do something at home, they should be able to do it here. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard "I use iTunes (or WeatherChannel or Google Desktop or whatever) at home and it doesn't cause trouble, so let me keep it on here!" I'd be retired already. It's those Power Lusers who think that because they worked a year selling computer stuff at the local box store about a decade ago, they are perfectly within their rights to go around installing software on their entire department without asking. And it's those Power Lusers who complain and come up with all sorts of bullshit reasons against it when we lock down the systems, making so much noise that senior management finally wants to come to a compromise instead of enforcing the rules.
Those are the folks who don't respect what we do, and they are the real problem.
In California, the power companies subsidize the CFLs and there are huge displays in the major stores - six bulbs for a dollar. They don't want to build more generating capacity.
Thanks for that. I've always wondered why most Americans seem to be all gung-ho on how cheap CFLs are. For reference, up here in Canada a pack of 3 will cost you $10-$15. It's starting to come down, I think I've seen some cheapie ones for $8, but still... that helps explain the disparity.
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>> As for the rest, can we stop calling people we don't like fascists?
>> The word has lost almost all meaning now.
>Don't you tell me what's lost meaning, you fascist.
Don't order him around, you fascist.
Just great...
Tomorrow morning, Jobs starts working on yet ANOTHER version update of MacOS. "Hey everybody, they found a new cat, we can finally do that new version we've been planning!"
Let's make it simple. Let's just legislate against stupidity and be done with it. Whatever your crime, if you were stupid during the commission of the crime, you get an extra 5 years in jail.
Wouldn't that be much simpler than these silly knee-jerk reactions to specific un-problems?
If the government didn't upgrade all your televisions, how could you stay on top of the Terror Alert Status?
Really, it's for YOUR safety.
This whole thing is useless.
12.5 mil is a sneeze to these guys. It will barely pay for the cost of the 3-year investigation. It's the FCC saying "Hey guys, we're done, but we don't want to admit we paid millions for this investigation. Can you pay for us?"
4200 hours of independent programming? Great. Cue 4200 different stations all owned by the same guys playing 1 hour of "independent" material gleaned from wholy-owned subsidiaries of the same companies that got busted, and that 1 hour will be from 2-3 AM on a Sunday.
The whole thing is a make-work project that won't change a damn thing. No fine that actually means something, no meaningful changes... nothing. But everyone can claim something special was done, nothing will change, and in 2 or 3 years the same thing will happen again.
This isn't even bread and circuses for the masses, this is crumbs. I don't call shenannigans, I call pathetic.
Why would the government want to change the system? It's working exactly as they want it to.
You have a moral responsibility to encourage data to be safe.
If you push it, you're quite likely to get stonewalled, destroy your future at the company, and possibly hasten the demise of your job.
If you plan a long future at this company and can live with the moral ambiguity, shut up and leave it until you're higher up in the chain.
If you can live with possibly losing career opportunities, make your complaints, but target the right person. Usually most companies will have someone who's actually supposed to make sure data is secure and privacy is assured. Find them and explain things to them.
If you really don't care about the job, make a good list of all the problems, written out and carefully phrased, and push it as far up the chain as you can. You'll get shit for it, maybe tossed, but with those concerns sitting on the CEOs desk, it's quite unlikely they'll get forgotten.
At the end of the day, it just depends on your personal moral standing.
In your terms, the squirrel must be hiding on board and farting from time to time on a reqular basis and in the direction of travel, slowing it.
Well, you know what they say, often the most unlikely answer is the correct one...
I tried to make a green PC once. I thought I did a really good job.
Then some Greenpeace hippies beat the snot out of me for using up 4 cans of aerosol spraypaint....
Dr. Zoidberg: Once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor!
This is a nice little bit of crafting. Although it's not entirely a "hack", it's not like he breadboarded the keyboard controller or something, it's still a nice piece of work. I certainly wouldn't be above having one on my desk (though I'd have to make it ergo).
Of course, he DID desecrate a Model M to do it. So he's going to hell. But it's still a nice bit of work.
Of course we know what the sentence is trying to say, but if we don't make noise over how poorly it says it, there's never any chance of people learning to write properly.
Among the surprises: IT didn't necessarily make projects faster but it did dramatically increase productivity by facilitating multitasking
So, they did more, but it still took them the same length of time to do stuff...
*squibble*
Translation: We were still working at the same pace, but we also chatted on IM and viewed pr0n on the company T1.
Wow...
If I can infect your system with a trojan and drop files onto your hard drive and then remotely run code, I can get you to click OK to a box that could infect your system.
Truly groundbreaking work here. Seriously, I mean, if all I have to do to possibly infect your system, is infect your system... well hell, Vista will probably be recalled!
As usual, TFA doesn't live up to the summary hype. But that won't stop the MS haters from jumping on board with a "See! It's broken!"
Really, the story for me here is "Someone infects your Vista with a bug and tries to elevate the program to Admin, and even though you're infected Vista STILL pops up a warning box... it just happens to be green instead of orange."
(Incidentally, the White House address:
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
)
Thanks for helping the terrorists win. Expect to win an all-expenses-paid trip to Gitmo any day now.
If you're going to post sensitive national security information, you need to fuzz it out, just like they do with undercover agents on TV. Like so:
(Incidentally, the White House address:
The White House
#### Pennsylvania Avenue ##
##########, DC 2#5#0
)
HTH HAND
You can take a British TV set to Australia (and vice versa), and even receive pictures, but the programmes will be the wrong way up.
;-)
It's true, I swear.
Sounds to me like turning the tube/tele upside down is the way to go.
It's fast. It's cheap. It's easy. And, best of all TVs are easily re-flipped for shows that don't need conversion. Channel surfing becomes challenging though....
Thanks for telling all of Australia how to violate the DMCA. You're going to turn them into a continent of criminals!!
I seem to recall this, or something very similar, happened with the F-14 (or maybe it was the F-18) when it crossed the equator. It's really encouraging to see that your new, global military, still isn't thinking globally.
Unless this was a secretly planted bug to stop the Chinese from stealing a Raptor and flying to to Beijing. I mean, it is 2007, so Firefox (the movie) should have just made it to China...
Back in the day, I was strapped for cash and hardware, but I wanted some server action. So I installed Win2000 Advanced Server on a P1-200mhz with 32MB (if I recall right, might have been 64 or whatever was the min required to install). EDO ram. Most services running (WINS, DNS, file sharing, 2 NICs to serve as a gateway and firewall, print servers, etc).
It was Ok for the first little bit. After a month or so though, it started to go downhill. At one point, I restarted it when I woke up in the morning, and it was ready to log 5 hours later. File transfer speeds measured in KB/S, not MB. A habit of crashing for no reason, requiring multihour restart cycles. I probably taxed it too much, with an ATI tv card install, gateway software,and other gizmos. It also got a few viruses that didn't properly clean.
Eventually it was replaced by other hardware, but for the longest time it was my leverage around the household. Anytime someone did something I didn't want, I'd threaten to put the P200 back as the network server. I usually got my way.
While it does sound from TFA that he had a hard time of it, the article also has him complaining about all the time it took with tech support for each machine. A whole 20 minutes? They made him turn it off and back on? They actually did troubleshooting? ZOMG!
... I'll take competent techs who make me check the basics any day.
I'd rather have a competent tech on the other end of the phone who makes me walk through the basic steps to make sure it really is broken, rather than a tech who goes "Thanks for calling MS... it doesn't work?... ok, we'll send you a new one. Bye!". The former is a sign of a company that hires decent people to do their job well, the latter is a sign of a company that hires any schmuck off the street and then rewards him for having a 2 minute call length average.
And, speaking as someone who had to argue with 3 different techs at Telus to convince them that there was actually something called a "Default Gateway", and no, it wasn't a proprietary setting for the device I was connecting, and no, it wasn't 192.168.0.1
All that said, he does sound like he got a bad batch. TFA mentions he bought the majority at one time, which could be a reason, but it also mentions that at least 4 of the machines were used in a gaming cafe. Machines take a lot of abuse there, whether you're keeping an eye on them or not, so again, I'm not surprised. Really, a different spin on the article should be "360 owner sends 7 defective units back to MS, MS replaces them and doesn't accuse him of breaking them himself". Really, many hardware vendors I've had to deal with get a little suspicious after you return items for the 3rd or 4th time. I actually had to threaten legal action against a graphic card remanufacturer in order to get them to replace my card after the 4th time their cheap fan died and fried the GPU, out of a batch of 5 I'd purchased.
Don't worry, Christ-lovers. They were designed to learn to do that . ;)
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It's FUD that you need more RAM.
I always need more RAM.
(Yeah, another logical
Not quite, but nice try.
It's FUD that you need 4GB to run Vista at more than a snails pace.
I want RAM prices to come down because I'd like some more. I'm fine with my 1 gig, but it'd be fun to have more be affordable. Hopefully all the (fud) noise about "Vista needs 32GB to run" will encourage another step down in RAM prices for low-end sticks, and maybe I can go buy a 2gig stick.
The same thing happened with XP. Everyone spazzed that it needed a tonne (even though I have run it fine with 256, and stripped down with 128), and 1/2 and 1 gig sticks became much more affordable. Now, maybe the same will happen, and 1 and 2 gig sticks will become more affordable.
Hopefully that makes more sense than your gross and twisted simplification. If not, let me know, I'll type it slower.
The really sad thing about parent is that, despite looking like a knee-jerk troll reaction when first posted, based on this thread, it ended up being downright prophetic. Makes you want to cry.
Pretty sad, eh? Thing is, I didn't post it as a troll... I knew the thread would devolve into it. I'm not psychic. I just know the gathering call of the anti-MS crowd all too well... and anytime anyone mentions RAM, that's the best thing to draw them out.
But it still makes me want to cry.
This will just be more fodder for the anti-Vista crowd... "Oh noes, 4gb ram? I can't POSSIBLY afford that! But I also can't POSSIBLY turn that service off. I'll never be able to use Vista! M$, I hate you!"
Really, the good thing about this is maybe it will spur an increase in RAM sizes. I'm sick of 1 gig sticks being the only affordable ones. I want 2 and 4 gig sticks to come down in price, maybe this will help.
The issue isn't about power users vs regular lusers. The issue is about respecting the I.T. department. Power users are fine, even helpful. It's the power users who think they're better than IT, or don't respect the process of getting stuff done right, or run around doing what they think they should because those IT dolts will take forever... those are the folks who cause the problems.
I have a few power users here, we had a discussion about what they should and shouldn't do with their computers, and they respect that and they respect how to get things done and changed. I know they can install a printer or app on their own, but they follow the process, and I give them some latitude. I have many more Power Lusers here, who think that because they do something at home, they should be able to do it here. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard "I use iTunes (or WeatherChannel or Google Desktop or whatever) at home and it doesn't cause trouble, so let me keep it on here!" I'd be retired already. It's those Power Lusers who think that because they worked a year selling computer stuff at the local box store about a decade ago, they are perfectly within their rights to go around installing software on their entire department without asking. And it's those Power Lusers who complain and come up with all sorts of bullshit reasons against it when we lock down the systems, making so much noise that senior management finally wants to come to a compromise instead of enforcing the rules.
Those are the folks who don't respect what we do, and they are the real problem.
In California, the power companies subsidize the CFLs and there are huge displays in the major stores - six bulbs for a dollar. They don't want to build more generating capacity.
Thanks for that. I've always wondered why most Americans seem to be all gung-ho on how cheap CFLs are. For reference, up here in Canada a pack of 3 will cost you $10-$15. It's starting to come down, I think I've seen some cheapie ones for $8, but still... that helps explain the disparity.