It seems like Mozilla is almost wholly focused on browser tech.
While I realize that webmail is supplanting a lot of thick clients, and that Outlook will be the corporate norm so long as exchange is the norm, it would be a shame if Thunderbird development was allowed to languish.
Are there any other open source mail clients out there that are picking up speed?
I'm afraid I have to disagree. "obvious prank"? You don't know the full spectrum of human behavior. What seems outlandish to you is the norm to someone else.
"life's a bitch if your IQ is 80." Nice. So if I figure out how to con you, you should do naught but hang your head in shame for having been duped? This guy exploited people's desires in a manner little different than those who use bogus charities.
Alas, poor me, the hard gainer. If I don't exercise I start *losing* weight. It might sound like a gift but when you're 6'1 and 140lbs you're pretty skinny.
If I make a concerted effort to eat three meals a day and work out I can sidle up to 155 of wiry mass but it takes discipline.
Normally I'm all about berating the level of competency amongst so-called sysadmins but you're going too far to say that a sysadmin who doesn't do system-level development is no good.
In addition to knowing the ins-and-outs of my SAN, server farm (and all associated hardware, protocols, packages, and management techniques), load balancers, routers and switches (and all protocols therein VRRP, BGP, 802.1ad to name a few), firewalls, VPNs, database administration and replication.. gosh what else.. power distribution and redundancy, cooling requirements, vendor relations, user pacification... I must now be fully competent in OS-level C?
Then again, your slashdot id is 652 so you're probably old as dirt and have had the time to absorb more than I.
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I hope it will take into consideration those of us that speak jive.
Consider that it might be really unwise to simply put in a liveCD. Who is to say this guy didn't put in a little watchdog somewhere that checks to see if the passwd has been updated and erase/damage data if it has. Personally, if these systems have been touched by someone with admin rights, they should be rebuilt from scratch. Import only the app data from backups, no binaries.
If he doesn't like or do well with programming then I doubt hardcore sysadmin work is for him. Yes, there are huge differences between being a sysadmin and being a programmer but if you are doing anything more than replacing hard drives or installing service packs, sysadmin work can get pretty complex and technically challenging.
I work for a small start up and handle everything from BGP to MySQL replication to the SAN. I'm not saying I do any of this particularly *well* but I am expected to be able to move easily between various protocols and applications. I also work with the development team a lot and regularly strace their apps and poke around in the source to help debug problems. What I'm getting at is that I don't see my work as being any less technical than theirs for the most part; if you don't like programming you shouldn't assume systems is going to be any less challenging.
Agreed. It's a bug in democracy, or at least our implementation. Leaders chronically ignore looming issues because they can be ignored for one more term. Or the solutions would require hardship -> unpopularity -> !reelection -> !solution
Just look at our national debt. It is now pretty much at critical mass where you *must* keep borrowing to pay off the interest. Certain foreign governments could now more or less make us dance a jig on command with the threat of "we buy no mo' dolla!" It would be comic were it not going to devastate those on fixed incomes when inflation takes off thanks to the feds having to print money all day to pay off the debt with "empty" dollars.
Of course by then there will be a whole new lineup of rhetoric with each side blaming the other when, in fact, they both did squat as the cyclone formed. That's why I view party loyalists with utter disdain. It's hard to work to equip yourself with enough info to have the beginnings of an independent opinion but there's no excuse for not doing so. Instead most are happy to parrot the latest party line (e.g., Karl Rover on Fox regarding Scott McLellan's book "this doesn't sound like Scott, this sounds like a left-wing blogger!").
Anyways, point being, I can't remember when a mainstream pol said anything about our debt. They happily huff and puff about their plan to fix "the economy" but say nothing of the white elephant in the room that is starting to get restless.
Every now and then I get a twinge of "oh god, I'm really still working at the computer lab in college but with bigger machines and 10x the pay." Then I think about other jobs.
Lawyer.. HELL NO. Unless you end up doing fancy litigation it has to be one of the worst jobs in the universe.
Medical.. bleh. Boring? Is performing the same knee surgery over and over and over again not a bit rote? If you end up in primary care you at least get to help people 1-on-1. Help them take drugs to counter their lack of exercise, smoking, etc. Med school. ick. I think it's 40% of doctors say they wouldn't recommend the career to their children. That's one hell of an endorsement.
MBA? Interesting idea, would probably shortcut a lot of time in getting into the upper echelons but I can't stand posturing, game playing, and management speak so would probably not do well there. I'm an engineer.. in a self-taught sort of way. I look down my nose at MBAs.
Oh yes... wicked hours and professional attire for all of the above.
About the only thing I think would tempt me would be some form of design/electrical engineering. So I've picked up a couple books on the same and will start tinkering that direction. If need be, I'll go to grad school.
For the moment, however, I'm wearing shorts and flipflops, am decently paid, left alone, showed up at work at 10, and have a little web stack I can call my own. I have, admittedly, a bunch of mind-numbing, syntactically sensitive technical problems to work on but with each passing week I add a lump of knowledge and maybe a tool or two to solve future problems.
If everyone wants to stay away.. fine by me! I'll just be in demand all the more.
Y'know, I think I've written myself into a better mood.
True enough, but it was foolish on our part to have ever allowed that sort of "here have the plane, don't hurt us" attitude. The Israelis have always had a never-open-the-door policy. It's like letting someone into the control room of a nuke plant because they are holding the guard at the gate hostage.
The point remains, though, we gave them the planes. I'm having a hard time imagining how someone can now get that sort of "free" kinetic power.
Had a $10 padlock and a 1/4" of aluminum door been in the way of the 9/11 hijackers they would have been rendered helpless. We essentially gave them a bunch of jets to do what they wanted to do with. That sort of free weaponry is no longer as readily available to any lunatic with a box cutter.
Yes there's a risk but there are other needs as well. Like stop pumping carbon into the atmosphere by the megaton.
Remember when Worldcom went poo-poo and someone was like "wow, they route 45% of the internet traffic or whatever" and then someone else was like "man, I wish I was the guy who had the prompt 'Do you want to turn off the Internet? yes/no' because I'd totally click yes."
There was a study done a couple years ago using MRI scans that showed the best posture is actually slouching back in the chair with the feet flat on the floor. Weight is taken off the spine. Exercise balls, in my opinion, are lousy chairs. You can still sit with terrible posture, they provide no back support (leaving your spine compressing all day), and can be dangerous. Pop them all!
Acknowledging that I've never dug around in the X11 code...
X is probably a terrible construct by modern standards. That's not surprising. Not only did it originate eons ago (MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE being one ugly fossil) but a protocol that tries to be high-end localized display technology in addition to a network-based client/server protocol is seeking to accomplish a bit much (hence the creation of FreeNX and other techs to try and overlay optimizations).
I remember when X.org started one of the things they promised was that the code base would be modularized allowing for new developers to tackle bite-sized portions of the stack without being overwhelmed. Anyone care to comment on whether this was done?
I'm now a 43 year old 'asshole' from your POV, and I hope to hell we never meet, 'cause I hate sanctimonious gits like you. Lol, at 43 threatening to beat people up over the internet because you disagree. yes, you came out all normal for your bullying.
And I hope you don't have any kids. Would you tell a 13 year old boy that gets beat up every day in the locker room that he should simply grow a pair? The world of children and teenagers is far crueler, on average, than that which we face in adulthood (unless you end up in prison).
I can remember in high school a group of "friends" that would talk about and look forward to gym class as it was a chance to turn the lights out in the locker room and gang up on the same fat kid, day after day after day.
"grow a pair" Again, I hope you have no children. Assholes tend to raise assholes. There is certainly a stressful path to adulthood but indifference like yours to chronic cruelty is a sure way to make the world a worse place.
Thomas P. D'Agostino, the administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration, said that if all six billion people on earth used hand calculators and performed calculations 24 hours a day and seven days a week, it would take them 46 years to do what the Roadrunner can in one day."
And if you tried to re-produce the energy present in a single tank of gas it would take you a year of back-breaking labor. Probably more like five years.
Which isn't to say that I don't think the machine is impressive. Were it only around a few years ago it might have calculated that the Iraq war wouldn't be a lil' "let freedom ring!" jaunt.
though, on balance, I think the winds are turning on this issue
You know, I think you're right. I'm a Linux admin by profession and I've always rolled my eyes a bit at the idea of Linux making major inroads in the desktop market. "5 years out, maybe" was my usual response. The last six months, however, have marked a pretty big change. IMHO, a lot of it has to do with the OS taking a backseat to the application. If Firefox runs identically on Linux and Windows then it' less of a deal to tuck Linux under the hood especially when you're selling pre-config'd hardware. More and more apps are, to an extent, OS independent (especially true if you throw in WINE and doubly-especially true if it's a web-based app). It's a WYSIWYG world.
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Why on Earth don't they publicize watt consumption of the new system? It should be required. I realize different configs and usage patterns will result in different power consumption but there's no good reason not to provide a stat that says "with config X the system consumed __ watts at idle and ___ watts at full load."
Seriously, if everyone is going green you'd think they would want to advertise that their little box is energy efficient.
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True, this sort of tech could be incredibly liberating for someone with a neurological disorder. I expect, however, that we'll sooner see development in the porn and gaming industries. The demand is simply too huge.
The world of Fahrenheit 451 and/or the Matrix is already here for those who spend their time in front of MMORPGs, SecondLife, and the like. Once we can eliminate the need for our clumsy appendages in interacting with the make-believe we can take another willful nibble of the blue pill. It's surely a bad analogy but I see resemblance between bugs in democracy (politicians avoid dealing with looming problems [budget deficit,etc] to achieve short-term goals [reeelction]) and bugs in the human psyche (if it feels good, do it again.. and again.. and again.. even if long-term consequences are massively negative).
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It seems like Mozilla is almost wholly focused on browser tech.
While I realize that webmail is supplanting a lot of thick clients, and that Outlook will be the corporate norm so long as exchange is the norm, it would be a shame if Thunderbird development was allowed to languish.
Are there any other open source mail clients out there that are picking up speed?
You, friend, have been watched too many Star Trek episodes involving Klingons.
Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!!
And now let me quote a little Gandhi at you, bucko. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. "obvious prank"? You don't know the full spectrum of human behavior. What seems outlandish to you is the norm to someone else.
"life's a bitch if your IQ is 80." Nice. So if I figure out how to con you, you should do naught but hang your head in shame for having been duped? This guy exploited people's desires in a manner little different than those who use bogus charities.
Alas, poor me, the hard gainer. If I don't exercise I start *losing* weight. It might sound like a gift but when you're 6'1 and 140lbs you're pretty skinny.
If I make a concerted effort to eat three meals a day and work out I can sidle up to 155 of wiry mass but it takes discipline.
Normally I'm all about berating the level of competency amongst so-called sysadmins but you're going too far to say that a sysadmin who doesn't do system-level development is no good.
In addition to knowing the ins-and-outs of my SAN, server farm (and all associated hardware, protocols, packages, and management techniques), load balancers, routers and switches (and all protocols therein VRRP, BGP, 802.1ad to name a few), firewalls, VPNs, database administration and replication.. gosh what else.. power distribution and redundancy, cooling requirements, vendor relations, user pacification... I must now be fully competent in OS-level C?
Then again, your slashdot id is 652 so you're probably old as dirt and have had the time to absorb more than I.
I hope it will take into consideration those of us that speak jive.
Consider that it might be really unwise to simply put in a liveCD. Who is to say this guy didn't put in a little watchdog somewhere that checks to see if the passwd has been updated and erase/damage data if it has. Personally, if these systems have been touched by someone with admin rights, they should be rebuilt from scratch. Import only the app data from backups, no binaries.
Well that's the problem with the term "sysadmin." Someone can install a copy of CentOS and call themselves a Linux Engineer but they're certainly not.
"hardcore" is not the right term but I was referring to someone who can configure, deploy, and troubleshoot a complex environment..
If he doesn't like or do well with programming then I doubt hardcore sysadmin work is for him. Yes, there are huge differences between being a sysadmin and being a programmer but if you are doing anything more than replacing hard drives or installing service packs, sysadmin work can get pretty complex and technically challenging.
I work for a small start up and handle everything from BGP to MySQL replication to the SAN. I'm not saying I do any of this particularly *well* but I am expected to be able to move easily between various protocols and applications. I also work with the development team a lot and regularly strace their apps and poke around in the source to help debug problems. What I'm getting at is that I don't see my work as being any less technical than theirs for the most part; if you don't like programming you shouldn't assume systems is going to be any less challenging.
Agreed. It's a bug in democracy, or at least our implementation. Leaders chronically ignore looming issues because they can be ignored for one more term. Or the solutions would require hardship -> unpopularity -> !reelection -> !solution
Just look at our national debt. It is now pretty much at critical mass where you *must* keep borrowing to pay off the interest. Certain foreign governments could now more or less make us dance a jig on command with the threat of "we buy no mo' dolla!" It would be comic were it not going to devastate those on fixed incomes when inflation takes off thanks to the feds having to print money all day to pay off the debt with "empty" dollars.
Of course by then there will be a whole new lineup of rhetoric with each side blaming the other when, in fact, they both did squat as the cyclone formed. That's why I view party loyalists with utter disdain. It's hard to work to equip yourself with enough info to have the beginnings of an independent opinion but there's no excuse for not doing so. Instead most are happy to parrot the latest party line (e.g., Karl Rover on Fox regarding Scott McLellan's book "this doesn't sound like Scott, this sounds like a left-wing blogger!").
Anyways, point being, I can't remember when a mainstream pol said anything about our debt. They happily huff and puff about their plan to fix "the economy" but say nothing of the white elephant in the room that is starting to get restless.
Doomed, doomed, it's all doomed.
Every now and then I get a twinge of "oh god, I'm really still working at the computer lab in college but with bigger machines and 10x the pay." Then I think about other jobs.
Lawyer.. HELL NO. Unless you end up doing fancy litigation it has to be one of the worst jobs in the universe.
Medical.. bleh. Boring? Is performing the same knee surgery over and over and over again not a bit rote? If you end up in primary care you at least get to help people 1-on-1. Help them take drugs to counter their lack of exercise, smoking, etc. Med school. ick. I think it's 40% of doctors say they wouldn't recommend the career to their children. That's one hell of an endorsement.
MBA? Interesting idea, would probably shortcut a lot of time in getting into the upper echelons but I can't stand posturing, game playing, and management speak so would probably not do well there. I'm an engineer.. in a self-taught sort of way. I look down my nose at MBAs.
Oh yes... wicked hours and professional attire for all of the above.
About the only thing I think would tempt me would be some form of design/electrical engineering. So I've picked up a couple books on the same and will start tinkering that direction. If need be, I'll go to grad school.
For the moment, however, I'm wearing shorts and flipflops, am decently paid, left alone, showed up at work at 10, and have a little web stack I can call my own. I have, admittedly, a bunch of mind-numbing, syntactically sensitive technical problems to work on but with each passing week I add a lump of knowledge and maybe a tool or two to solve future problems.
If everyone wants to stay away.. fine by me! I'll just be in demand all the more.
Y'know, I think I've written myself into a better mood.
True enough, but it was foolish on our part to have ever allowed that sort of "here have the plane, don't hurt us" attitude. The Israelis have always had a never-open-the-door policy. It's like letting someone into the control room of a nuke plant because they are holding the guard at the gate hostage.
The point remains, though, we gave them the planes. I'm having a hard time imagining how someone can now get that sort of "free" kinetic power.
And why not? We found a trillion+ for a pointless war in Iraq.
Had a $10 padlock and a 1/4" of aluminum door been in the way of the 9/11 hijackers they would have been rendered helpless. We essentially gave them a bunch of jets to do what they wanted to do with. That sort of free weaponry is no longer as readily available to any lunatic with a box cutter.
Yes there's a risk but there are other needs as well. Like stop pumping carbon into the atmosphere by the megaton.
Remember when Worldcom went poo-poo and someone was like "wow, they route 45% of the internet traffic or whatever" and then someone else was like "man, I wish I was the guy who had the prompt 'Do you want to turn off the Internet? yes/no' because I'd totally click yes."
There was a study done a couple years ago using MRI scans that showed the best posture is actually slouching back in the chair with the feet flat on the floor. Weight is taken off the spine. Exercise balls, in my opinion, are lousy chairs. You can still sit with terrible posture, they provide no back support (leaving your spine compressing all day), and can be dangerous. Pop them all!
Acknowledging that I've never dug around in the X11 code...
X is probably a terrible construct by modern standards. That's not surprising. Not only did it originate eons ago (MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE being one ugly fossil) but a protocol that tries to be high-end localized display technology in addition to a network-based client/server protocol is seeking to accomplish a bit much (hence the creation of FreeNX and other techs to try and overlay optimizations).
I remember when X.org started one of the things they promised was that the code base would be modularized allowing for new developers to tackle bite-sized portions of the stack without being overwhelmed. Anyone care to comment on whether this was done?
Try 12,000 years.
... that just happens to coincide with us digging up sequestered carbon and burning it by the megaton, pushing CO2 levels to ever increasing highs.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the incredibly rapid 2.5C temp increase in the last 50 years.
Nay, my good man, all is well. Continue whistling and dance that little jig you do so well.
Lol, at 43 threatening to beat people up over the internet because you disagree. yes, you came out all normal for your bullying.
And I hope you don't have any kids. Would you tell a 13 year old boy that gets beat up every day in the locker room that he should simply grow a pair? The world of children and teenagers is far crueler, on average, than that which we face in adulthood (unless you end up in prison).
I can remember in high school a group of "friends" that would talk about and look forward to gym class as it was a chance to turn the lights out in the locker room and gang up on the same fat kid, day after day after day.
"grow a pair"
Again, I hope you have no children. Assholes tend to raise assholes. There is certainly a stressful path to adulthood but indifference like yours to chronic cruelty is a sure way to make the world a worse place.
And if you tried to re-produce the energy present in a single tank of gas it would take you a year of back-breaking labor. Probably more like five years.
Which isn't to say that I don't think the machine is impressive. Were it only around a few years ago it might have calculated that the Iraq war wouldn't be a lil' "let freedom ring!" jaunt.
You know, I think you're right. I'm a Linux admin by profession and I've always rolled my eyes a bit at the idea of Linux making major inroads in the desktop market. "5 years out, maybe" was my usual response. The last six months, however, have marked a pretty big change. IMHO, a lot of it has to do with the OS taking a backseat to the application. If Firefox runs identically on Linux and Windows then it' less of a deal to tuck Linux under the hood especially when you're selling pre-config'd hardware. More and more apps are, to an extent, OS independent (especially true if you throw in WINE and doubly-especially true if it's a web-based app). It's a WYSIWYG world.
[rant] Why on Earth don't they publicize watt consumption of the new system? It should be required. I realize different configs and usage patterns will result in different power consumption but there's no good reason not to provide a stat that says "with config X the system consumed __ watts at idle and ___ watts at full load."
Seriously, if everyone is going green you'd think they would want to advertise that their little box is energy efficient.
[\rant]
True, this sort of tech could be incredibly liberating for someone with a neurological disorder. I expect, however, that we'll sooner see development in the porn and gaming industries. The demand is simply too huge.
The world of Fahrenheit 451 and/or the Matrix is already here for those who spend their time in front of MMORPGs, SecondLife, and the like. Once we can eliminate the need for our clumsy appendages in interacting with the make-believe we can take another willful nibble of the blue pill. It's surely a bad analogy but I see resemblance between bugs in democracy (politicians avoid dealing with looming problems [budget deficit,etc] to achieve short-term goals [reeelction]) and bugs in the human psyche (if it feels good, do it again.. and again.. and again.. even if long-term consequences are massively negative).
Which is exactly why we should stop using software!!