Well, it only really supports the language well if it happens to be a subset of C#.
This is apparently problematic with a number of languages that rely heavily on dynamic datatypes (I'd cite references, but Google isn't being helpful at this moment).
You can implement intepreters for these languages, but that's not the same as kicking out native CLR. So.NET presents a box similar to the Java VM, only apparently it's not as constraining as Java's VM.
His credentials show that he's certainly capable of using Linux. The point was that he shouldn't have to enter Guru Mode in order to do it.
I'm not knocking the difficulty of writing stuff like Xine - I just don't see why I should have to read the manual in order to use it. I mean, is there really a compelling reason for inventing Yet Another User Interface? Having already been trained on how to use GUIs, I can operate MS' Media Player without having to take a special class. Is Xine compellingly different?
GUIs have been around for a long time now, and the whole User Interface stuff pretty well worked out and understood. There's not really any reason for people to "roll their own".
I wouldn't think people would encourage applications to be victims of fashion. Friends don't let friends wear mullets. Why should Linux be any different?
...linux mantra encourages you to WRITE YOUR OWN.
Does it? Why?
Real programmers are lazy. They don't reinvent the wheel unless it's fun.
Part of the frustration here is that these applications are so freaking close to being usable, and suddenly we're confronted with a mullet.
For example, Xine pops up this weird VCR-style player. What the heck is that? Is it so difficult to use an existing toolkit? It puts being cool before usable, and there's really no reason for it.
As another poster pointed out, there's Kxine. All the goodness of Xine, but with a standard user interface. Why didn't Xine provide this in the first place?
As you pointed out yourself, they're betas. You can't buy them.
From the Mandrake site:
January 18th, 2003 - Mandrake Linux 9.1 Beta 2 is ready for download and testing. Two brand-spankin' new ISO images are now available at the usual download locations. Everyone is invited to participate as a beta tester and report any bugs to BugZilla.
Let's see... I insulted someone, missed the point, and posted redundant links. Yep, just about the perfect Slashdot post.
No insult to the original poster, (who didn't apply the moderation points), but this moderation thing is beyond me. +5 Funny I can understand.
Anyhoo, as another poster pointed out (making me -1, Redundant), misrepresentation is fraudulent. Quite often, your local laws may trump whatever boilerplate they throw at you.
If it were my Mom, I know she'd get her money back, no matter what the fine print said. People like her make me glad I don't work in retail.
I don't know how small you consider "small." By default, the Windows TrueType renderer ignores hints at sizes lower than 8 points. It's sort of pointless to try to gridfit pixels at that level.
Both packages all but force the programmer to reuse the library with inheritance.
Erm, take another look at this wxLua example. No inheritance in sight. The choice to force the use of inheritance in wxPython was a design decision.
What I'd rather have is a wxPython/wxWindows interface that can be used to construct a GUI thru composition.
wxWindows already has layout management, and based on this wxPython example, it's already part of wxPython. It shouldn't be too hard to write a class that automate this to the degree you want.
This is an issues with how wxPython has been developed, not with the wxWindows library itself. I've written a (still alpha) small scripting language that uses dynamic callbacks instead of inheritance. It's fairly painless to Connect objects to callbacks.
That's not to say anything bad about wxPython itself - it's just a matter of style.
You might want to have a look at wxLua, a nice mixture of Lua and wxWindows.
I'm not sure why you wrote "also", since Linux, FreeBSD, OSX and Windows are all supported by wxWindows. Plus, wxWindows supports just about every compiler under the sun.
This is one of the games that came on the Knoppix live Linux CD. My young boys loved the thing, but refuse to play it with the music playing - it's too scary that way. I foolishly installed it on my Linux box, and they kept kicking me off to play their games.
I was pleasantly suprised to find there was a Windows port, so I could finally wrestle my Linux box back from them, although they keep insisting on playing Frozen Bubble, but mostly Rocks and Diamonds.
One of the great things about Rogue (read: NetHack) was that it gave *nix a unified way of talking with various and diverse terminals.
Sorry, apologies to all... I was referring to Dr. Samual Mudd, not Harvey. It was a bit of a tangent, but it's historical trivia so I thought people might be interested.
Harvey Mudd was pardoned by President Andrew Johnson in 1869, and in 1979 a presidential proclamation cleared his name. So I'm not sure why there is still controversy over this.
Years ago, I programmed in a Forth shop, and there was a "mysterious" problem somewhere in the code that was bringing the system to a halt.
Being the junior member of the programming team, I was naturally the primary suspect. And my boss was quite vocal about it.
Finally, he broke down and brought in a logic analyzer. It only had something like 32K memory, so by the trap triggered, the error was typically out of the buffer. And each time, my boss would again loudly complain about my poor coding skills, and how much money it was costing him because of some bug in my code.
After many attempts, he finally trapped the bug. It turned out to be a trivial error in his code, of course - we were working with zero based arrays, and he allocated n slots. So when message number n came along, it offset just beyond the jump table and grabbed some random address.
Of course, he never apologized for the weeks of insults - just changed the n to n+1, and went back to his office.
The moral: a good debugger is worth its weight in gold.
I can relate. Just last afternoon, I was watching The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, when I noticed all these references to Allah.
I'll admit Ray Harryhausen is a legend in the animation business, and Tom Baker (the best Doctor Who of all time) playing the villian was a huge bonus. And I don't so much mind these references to Black Magic, demons, incantation and the like. Not to mention belly dancing...
But this Allah stuff? It wouldn't be prudent for them to grow up without a rabid xenophobic view of everyone else's beliefs.
With the resurgance of nationalism, I should be able to find something that shows Arabs as Godless heathen terrorists. Any American "action film" should do, unless they've been digitally editing stuff out, like in Back to the Future.
You've already read a ton of people telling how nice wxWindows is to use. It's all true.
I've written a small Basic interpreter that uses the wxWindows (unfortunately, too slow to do any real 3D stuff with) and found that it was dead easy to get OpenGL to work with wxWindows.
Basically, you just have to declare a wxGLCanvas and you've got a nice canvas for drawing on. It's nicely integrated into the wx scheme of things - it generates and responds to the same events that a normal wxWindow does.
As people pointed out, you end up with native widgets (use wxSizers to make the layout portable), and wxWindows supports just about every compiler under the sun, which is nice for those of us without infinite budgets.
Plus, there's an excellent group of people on the mailing lists if you get stuck.
While I think such an audacious effort is most certainly commendable, I can't help but wonder what the potential things that could go wrong with designing a CPU are, such as software incompatibilities etc.
Sounds like the kind of thing you would expect IBM to say about a DEC processor, not from a Slashdot editor. Goodness knows, there's no point in trying something different.
I mean, the next thing you know, we might have things like another OS (Linux, BeOS, QNX, OSX), Desktop (KDE, Gnome), Wordprocessors (AbiWord, OpenOffice)...
Yes, indeed. Better stay away from all that stuff, because choice is confusing, and confusing is bad. Makes people have to use their brains, and all that.
Good thing we have monopolies like Microsoft to keep us poor consumers safe from these upstarts!
Insert funny sig here.
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I thought I was supposed to be redirected to a page with something useful on it, not a freaking advertisment for Flash.
Maybe there need to be a number of additional warnings included, along with the standard "New York Times, Login Required" disclaimer:
Flash required
Explorer required
WMM required
QuickTime required
Or just a snide Proprietary plugin/codec required, non-Windows losers need not click link.
The irony is that I am running Windows; it just happens that I'm using Phoenix as my browser. I just don't want to have to download Flash (even if the SWF format is public) in order to see a web page.
I recall reading a review of the second film, where the reviewer wrote that it looked like Michael J. Fox sleepwalked through it. And, in fact, he may have - I think he was still shooting a sitcom at the same time. But apparently Parkinson's was starting to set in as well.
Anyhoo, I missed the second film, and the third got such bad reviews that I didn't even bother trying to go.
Still, my hat's off to anyone who can work a day job, a night job, and battle a degenerative nerve disease.
But I visited the local Burlington Coat Factory, and was admiring the cute lcd monitors atop the registers. About the size of my I-Opener screen.
So I had a look at the screen, and was suprised to find a Red Hat icon instead of a Start button in the lower left hand corner.
This turns out to be old news, but still a pleasant surprise.
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Given that:
You already have a bias toward Perl, and
You're talking to Perl experts, which means
They're probably geeks and Slashdotters
something along these lines should work:
"All right thinking coders will agree that Perl is the only language fit for the job."
"4 out of 5 ACs on Slashdot agree with me."
"Tolkien would approve of Perl. No wait, that was your other post.
"Does anyone want to spend another boring week in training?"
OK, I didn't really have anything useful to write. I just like making HTML lists.
Up to date one year later?
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Almost an year since its release, this book has stood the test of time, and proved to be what it promised -- an up-to-date, advanced book on PHP -- a category in which there are very few worthwhile entries to date.
So the book is still up to date, even an entire year after it's release?
Something's wrong here... Those php people better get on the ball and start releasing more often! The only language I know of that's stays that stable is COBOL.
No point in playing with it, unless it's the latest bleeding edge, crashing and burning on a regular basis. On my Windows box, that is - my BSD box remains rock steady.
Others said the industry would not go down without a fight. "If we paid Acacia, it would be rolling over," said one adult webmistress in an interview, who asked not to be named. "It would be like saying 'Screw me,' even though that's (what) my business is about."
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Well, it only really supports the language well if it happens to be a subset of C#.
This is apparently problematic with a number of languages that rely heavily on dynamic datatypes (I'd cite references, but Google isn't being helpful at this moment).
You can implement intepreters for these languages, but that's not the same as kicking out native CLR. So .NET presents a box similar to the Java VM, only apparently it's not as constraining as Java's VM.
I was initially going to link to this or this article, but the first included this memorable quote:
Mmmmmm... Soft, chewy center...
His credentials show that he's certainly capable of using Linux. The point was that he shouldn't have to enter Guru Mode in order to do it.
I'm not knocking the difficulty of writing stuff like Xine - I just don't see why I should have to read the manual in order to use it. I mean, is there really a compelling reason for inventing Yet Another User Interface? Having already been trained on how to use GUIs, I can operate MS' Media Player without having to take a special class. Is Xine compellingly different?
GUIs have been around for a long time now, and the whole User Interface stuff pretty well worked out and understood. There's not really any reason for people to "roll their own".
I wouldn't think people would encourage applications to be victims of fashion. Friends don't let friends wear mullets. Why should Linux be any different?
Does it? Why?
Real programmers are lazy. They don't reinvent the wheel unless it's fun.
Part of the frustration here is that these applications are so freaking close to being usable, and suddenly we're confronted with a mullet.
For example, Xine pops up this weird VCR-style player. What the heck is that? Is it so difficult to use an existing toolkit? It puts being cool before usable, and there's really no reason for it.
As another poster pointed out, there's Kxine. All the goodness of Xine, but with a standard user interface. Why didn't Xine provide this in the first place?
Friends don't let friends wear mullets.
Let's see... I insulted someone, missed the point, and posted redundant links. Yep, just about the perfect Slashdot post.
No insult to the original poster, (who didn't apply the moderation points), but this moderation thing is beyond me. +5 Funny I can understand.
Anyhoo, as another poster pointed out (making me -1, Redundant), misrepresentation is fraudulent. Quite often, your local laws may trump whatever boilerplate they throw at you.
If it were my Mom, I know she'd get her money back, no matter what the fine print said. People like her make me glad I don't work in retail.
I don't know how small you consider "small." By default, the Windows TrueType renderer ignores hints at sizes lower than 8 points. It's sort of pointless to try to gridfit pixels at that level.
Erm, take another look at this wxLua example. No inheritance in sight. The choice to force the use of inheritance in wxPython was a design decision.
What I'd rather have is a wxPython/wxWindows interface that can be used to construct a GUI thru composition.
wxWindows already has layout management, and based on this wxPython example, it's already part of wxPython. It shouldn't be too hard to write a class that automate this to the degree you want.
Not that MFC is really "native." And GTK+ is no more "native" than Qt, but that's quibbling. Then again, this is Slashdot.
That's not to say anything bad about wxPython itself - it's just a matter of style.
You might want to have a look at wxLua, a nice mixture of Lua and wxWindows.
I'm not sure why you wrote "also", since Linux, FreeBSD, OSX and Windows are all supported by wxWindows. Plus, wxWindows supports just about every compiler under the sun.
I was pleasantly suprised to find there was a Windows port, so I could finally wrestle my Linux box back from them, although they keep insisting on playing Frozen Bubble, but mostly Rocks and Diamonds.
One of the great things about Rogue (read: NetHack) was that it gave *nix a unified way of talking with various and diverse terminals.
It's not much, but it's a sig.
Again, sorry about that!
Interestingly, the case has some relevance to current news. Mudd's supporters complain that, as a citizen, he should not have been tried in a military tribunal in the first place. Bush is claiming the right to hold people like Abdullah Al-Mujahir as "enemy combatants". There was a recent ruling upholding the Bush position, but I can't find it on Google, sorry...
Being the junior member of the programming team, I was naturally the primary suspect. And my boss was quite vocal about it.
Finally, he broke down and brought in a logic analyzer. It only had something like 32K memory, so by the trap triggered, the error was typically out of the buffer. And each time, my boss would again loudly complain about my poor coding skills, and how much money it was costing him because of some bug in my code.
After many attempts, he finally trapped the bug. It turned out to be a trivial error in his code, of course - we were working with zero based arrays, and he allocated n slots. So when message number n came along, it offset just beyond the jump table and grabbed some random address.
Of course, he never apologized for the weeks of insults - just changed the n to n+1, and went back to his office.
The moral: a good debugger is worth its weight in gold.
I'll admit Ray Harryhausen is a legend in the animation business, and Tom Baker (the best Doctor Who of all time) playing the villian was a huge bonus. And I don't so much mind these references to Black Magic, demons, incantation and the like. Not to mention belly dancing...
But this Allah stuff? It wouldn't be prudent for them to grow up without a rabid xenophobic view of everyone else's beliefs.
With the resurgance of nationalism, I should be able to find something that shows Arabs as Godless heathen terrorists. Any American "action film" should do, unless they've been digitally editing stuff out, like in Back to the Future.
It's satire, for crying out loud!
So that's what happened to my Karma.
Funny? Which part was funny?
I've written a small Basic interpreter that uses the wxWindows (unfortunately, too slow to do any real 3D stuff with) and found that it was dead easy to get OpenGL to work with wxWindows.
Basically, you just have to declare a wxGLCanvas and you've got a nice canvas for drawing on. It's nicely integrated into the wx scheme of things - it generates and responds to the same events that a normal wxWindow does.
As people pointed out, you end up with native widgets (use wxSizers to make the layout portable), and wxWindows supports just about every compiler under the sun, which is nice for those of us without infinite budgets.
Plus, there's an excellent group of people on the mailing lists if you get stuck.
Sounds like the kind of thing you would expect IBM to say about a DEC processor, not from a Slashdot editor. Goodness knows, there's no point in trying something different.
I mean, the next thing you know, we might have things like another OS (Linux, BeOS, QNX, OSX), Desktop (KDE, Gnome), Wordprocessors (AbiWord, OpenOffice)...
Yes, indeed. Better stay away from all that stuff, because choice is confusing, and confusing is bad. Makes people have to use their brains, and all that.
Good thing we have monopolies like Microsoft to keep us poor consumers safe from these upstarts!
Insert funny sig here.
Maybe there need to be a number of additional warnings included, along with the standard "New York Times, Login Required" disclaimer:
- Flash required
- Explorer required
- WMM required
- QuickTime required
Or just a snide Proprietary plugin/codec required, non-Windows losers need not click link.The irony is that I am running Windows; it just happens that I'm using Phoenix as my browser. I just don't want to have to download Flash (even if the SWF format is public) in order to see a web page.
Who took the funny out of my sig?
Anyhoo, I missed the second film, and the third got such bad reviews that I didn't even bother trying to go.
Still, my hat's off to anyone who can work a day job, a night job, and battle a degenerative nerve disease.
And "Mister Fusion" was inspired.
What do you mean, rambling? This is Slashdot!
So I had a look at the screen, and was suprised to find a Red Hat icon instead of a Start button in the lower left hand corner.
This turns out to be old news, but still a pleasant surprise.
- You already have a bias toward Perl, and
- You're talking to Perl experts, which means
- They're probably geeks and Slashdotters
something along these lines should work:OK, I didn't really have anything useful to write. I just like making HTML lists.
So the book is still up to date, even an entire year after it's release?
Something's wrong here... Those php people better get on the ball and start releasing more often! The only language I know of that's stays that stable is COBOL.
No point in playing with it, unless it's the latest bleeding edge, crashing and burning on a regular basis. On my Windows box, that is - my BSD box remains rock steady.
Nope, still not funny.
I give up. Is he notorious because he's a pornographer, or because he supports the First Amendment.
Where's the funny part?
- Others said the industry would not go down without a fight. "If we paid Acacia, it would be rolling over," said one adult webmistress in an interview, who asked not to be named. "It would be like saying 'Screw me,' even though that's (what) my business is about."
How can you beat a quote like that?