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Honest, I'm not dead. Again. silvaran writes "A clarification on CNet News indicates that IBM will not stop supporting or selling OS/2 as mentioned previously. Says IBM spokesman Steve Eisenstadt, 'As long as our customers want OS/2, we will support them... We don't have plans to withdraw OS/2.' The withdrawal notice lists several hundred components or software packages that will no longer be available, but OS/2 itself will still be offered."
Like Marshall MacLuhan in Annie Hall. tree writes "The Boston Globe has a really interesting interview with Stanislaw Lem, author of the 1961 novel "Solaris": he is a bit baffled about the latest movie adaptation. In any event, it's a great read for fans of Lem."
They win, GNU Win, we all win. Shwag writes "Last week I downloaded TheOpenCD after it was on Slashdot. I learned about all kinds of great free (as in speech) software. I then searched for more and found out about GNU Win which is a win32 free software cd but it has way more software! Yay! This is a really great way to show people the benefits of free software and get them ready for transitioning to linux."
A platform built from an Acorn. An anonymous reader writes "The (London) Guardian's Online section reports today on the new Ionix PC earlier Slashdotted for being the first desktop to run Intel's XScale processor. The Guardian concentrates on how the new machine may revive the fading fortunes of the once-pioneering Risc OS, but also makes mention of the fact it is ditching old proprietary Acorn subsystems."
Woe to the boonie dwellers, until enough balloons are in place. Avenger writes "Another DSL provider is getting out of the market. Hughes Electronics has announced that they will no longer be providing high-speed Internet services. Over 160,000 users will be affected. As it stands right now, they still will be providing connectivity via DirecPC."
But it seemed like such a great do-it-yourself idea! adagioforstrings writes "You may recall last year Home Depot announced they were deploying Linux at 90,000 point-of-sale terminals across the nation. Well, time went by and no more was heard about it...until now, when Home Depot announced they would be upgrading their POS systems with technology from NCR Corp., and 360 Commerce Inc. and ... Microsoft Corp."
Did they turn invisible when they went to "the Dark Side" or something?
I may be using a bleeding edge browser (Phoenix nightlies), but I do believe there seems to be missing content here.
F.O. Dobbs
What happened to Home Depot and the Dark Side?
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
I realize you were trolling with your anti-IBM remarks, but I'll bite anyway.
Considering that OS/2 came out way back when Windows 3.1 was around, it's quite a remarkable OS. It supports multithreading as well as various other important and fairly advanced features, which is neat since it had these features nearly a decade ago.
It's important to remember that OS/2 is not Windows, nor does IBM want it to be. It is a very different environment that does take some getting used to. There are a lot of things I like about using OS/2, but there are a few things I like about using Windows too. One of the nicest things
about OS/2 is its ability to coexist with other operating systems on the same computer.
Now that really is a freedom of choice, one that many love about using Linux with Windows or *BSD with Windows or even dual-booting Windows/OS X.
Ya! Miranda IM made it on! I'm a true open source coder now! mad props to me!
-- OMFG = Oh My Floatse Goatse
What about Home Depot???!
In space, no one can hear you moo.
Try this link to what is probably hinted at: http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardwa re/story/0,10801,76511,00.html
They're buying some Microsoft systems for point of sale.
Home Depot used to be one of those Java poster children that they trotted out at JavaOne, but I never saw any of it show up in the stores. To this day their systems, except for the actual registers, are straight out of the 70's. I think they're terminals connected to an HP/UX box.
It's obvious they bought the acorn they built the
platform out of at home depot.
The most important thing any republican needs to know.
Home Depot and the Dark side
The Home Depot Inc. last week announced a 12-month rollout of new point-of-sale terminals and self-checkout stations that employ technology from NCR Corp., Microsoft Corp. and 360 Commerce Inc.
someone asked for free software recommendations for Windows, and many people gave some great ideas, but damnit if I can't find the article on slashdot. Anybody have any better luck finding it? (I want to compile my own CD as well, or at least fill in the gaps the other CD's leave open).
-rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 825032208 gru 16 22:25 /tmp/solaris/CD1/vc-sol1.bin /tmp/solaris/CD1/vc-sol1.cue /tmp/solaris/CD2/vc-sol2.bin /tmp/solaris/CD2/vc-sol2.cue
-rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 170 gru 16 22:25
-rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 220958640 gru 16 22:26
-rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 170 gru 16 22:26
watch it or delete it?
:wq
i thought the dark side was the good side, oh that explains why my distortion of my mind, my room has no light funneling into it so now my monitor is my only source of light oh poor me... also isnt home depot supposed to work on home improvement i can see there new title home depot now sponsors crush that stack of bricks with physcotic powers now only 49.99 with rebates im me at raulfoo to find out more information on the new language that is already spawning
story
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um, they've gone from hardware to dark matter? so we know this post must be there yet cannot see it?
whither, timothy? or is this your tribute to lem?
From his offical website
Home centers are designed for the do-it-yourselfer who's willing to pay higher prices for the convenience of being able to shop for lumber, hardware, and toasters all in one location. Notice I say "shop for", as opposed to "obtain". This is the major drawback of home centers: they are always out of everything except artificial Christmas trees. The home center employees have no time to reorder merchandise because they are too busy applying little price stickers to every object -- every board, washer, nail and screw -- in the entire store ...
Let's say a piece in your toilet tank breaks, so you remove the broken part, take it to the home center, and ask an employee if he has a replacement. The employee, who has never is his life even seen the inside of a toilet tank, will peer at the broken part in very much the same way that a member of a primitive Amazon jungle tribe would look at an electronic calculator, and then say, "We're expecting a shipment of these sometime around the middle of next week".
-- Dave Barry, "The Taming of the Screw"
Just an evil thought I had.
were you expecting to see a sig here? perhaps you'd rather see the inside of an ambulance!
This is an attempt by the /. editors to counter the recent run of duplicate articles by omitting some articles entirely.
paintball
It seems that IBM is dancing around the issue here. They say that they will still support and sell OS/2, but they are not supporting large chunks of it.
It would be simmilar to microsoft saying that it will still sell windows, but if anyone has a problem with any of the components (IE, Control Pannels) they are out of luck.
It seems that IBM dosen't want to say that they aren't stopping, but they want to. They should bite the bullet and go one way, the other, or the GNU way.
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In Soviet Russia, Dark Side turns to Home Depot!
They need to get the materials for their Imperial Starships and Death Stars somewhere, right?
paintball
So, did we ever settle this?
Is it pronounced SOLE-ARE-US or SOLE-AIR-US?
"Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware." Umm... I don't see a plethora of Windows drivers for non-Intel computers. (Maybe they are talking about CE?). And the last time I checked Java still worked on Linux. Seems to be alot of FUD to me, because once your on non-x86 chips there seems to be much more hardware support in Linux than on Windows.
"Why! I'M PAYING CASH!"
"My Supervisor told me that a "Crib Kitties" in the Maker? No, Servicer! Yea. He said that Norton would fix it and that he would give us a "lice update" when he was done. I think."
"Here, catch this hammer. Oops. Missed. Sorry.."
This could be a good use for P2P apps, to update drivers and make sure the lastest and bestest is on all machines....
But I hear Slashdot has a new promotion going, subscribe to one article, get the dupe for free!
paintball
the hughes story is wrong -- they will still offer internet via satellite, the story is about them winding down DSL.
which makes this enry in slashback a repeat.
good going slashdot.
That's funny... My only dependency to Windows is a GPL liscensed app.
VirtualDub.
There isn't a free (as in beer and speech) comparable app on any operating system.
Hell, there isn't a comparable commercial app on any operating system.
So, until there is an app as powerful as virtualdub available for linux, i'll be sticking to windows.
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I'm an ex-employee of Home Depot. I worked in the IT department.
Yes, the registers, and practically all of the store systems, are connected to one of many different types of HP-UX boxes, depending on how old the store is. I heard tales of SSC (store support center, the HD headquarters just outside of Atlanta, GA) IT employees opening up those boxes and finding them totally packed with dust. As in, no more dust could fit in the case of the HP-UX box. But it still worked!
When I worked there, Java was all the rage and HD had lots of employees churning out millions of lines of shitty Java code that did a whole lot of nothing. Much of the real work was still done on MVS (that the IBM mainframe) in JCL, assembly, and whatnot. The UNIX work was in HP-(S)UX in, of all things, Informix 4GL.
When I was leaving, HD was seriously flirting with Linux. They had lots of cool linux machines running in one of the labs. I felt bad about leaving, but not really, since I was leaving to go work at a Linux shop doing Perl. HD hated Perl, or anything else that was "unsupported."
HD IT managers actually did a purge of all rouge Linux machines they found on the network maybe about a year or so before I was hired.
In my opinion, any flirting that HD has done with MSFT is due to the new CEO, Bob Nardelli. Talking to my old HD friends has revealed that he's making all sorts of really stupid changes, such as trying to turn 50% of all store employees into part-timers. (What? How are you supposed to have SMEs with so many part-timers?)
But before anyone forms any real opinions about HD, remember: HD is a retail shop, not a technology shop. People in IT there were, every few months or so, demanded that they "prove their worth." As far as the head retailers were concerned, IT was nothing more than a "cost center." If you want to work in technology, don't choose retail. You're going to be disappointed.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
This is a really great way to show people the benefits of free software and get them ready for transitioning to linux
Either that, or they will realise that it is not Linux that is providing this 'great software', but GNU, and it is also available on Windows. So why bother to switch when they can have the best of both worlds: Good GUI, and all the same free GNU software thats available under Linux.
I.O.U One Sig.
Well, now we have proof that the Slashdot editor's don't even read the damn articles.
The DirecTV deal has nothing to do with rural customers. Rural customers couldn't get DSL from them before they went out of business, either.
The DirecTV story does not apply to their satelite-based system (DirecWay/DirecPC). This is what the people in the boonies use. The article clearly states this.
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While Solaris might be the most famous book from Lem, I much prefer "The Cyberiad". The book is a mixture of Douglas Adams and Monthy Python, but at a higher level. Science fiction meets Guildernstein and Rosencratz.
Here are a few quotes:
"Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way
Pastoral poem on love and tensor algebra (with a little topology and higher calculus):
"Come let us hasten to a higher plane
Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn
Their indices bedecked from one to n
Commingled in an endless Markov chain."
"One day Trurl the constructor put together a machine that could create anything starting with n. When it was ready, he tried it out, ordering it to make needles, then nankeens and negligees, which it did, then nail the lot to narghiles filled with nepenthe and numerous other narcotics. The machine carried out his instructions to the letter. Still not completely sure of its ability, he had it produce, one after the other, nimbuses, noodles, nuclei, neutrons, naphtha, noses, nymphs, naiads and natrium. This last it could not do..."
maybe that windows emulation layer could prove a useful study piece
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
The company will continue to offer its Direcway service, which offers high-speed Internet access via satellite with over 160,000 subscribers, but it said it will not increase its subscriber base aggressively in an effort to avoid the costs associated with acquiring subscribers.
What does this mean for LincSat?. They got their service through Direcway. We had been thinking about LincSat for our business but aren't going to go with it if they're being shut down.
I must confess, I believe the Gnuwin cd deserves a lot more accolades. I downloaded the Open-CD iso, but I realized that with the possible exception of OpenOffice, there really weren't any applications that the people I know might possibly interested in. The multiple compilers in one location would certainly create some interest, but the communication and games packages are the ones that make me want to give this CD to those who know very little about computing. Some will say this is good, some will say I'm inviting a wave of unclean, but if I can show my friends how easy it is to use free, open-source software, then they might avoid any purchases where they contribute to Microsoft, or any company that offers an inferior product to a free one. The fear of just trying something different kept me away from even considering Linux for a long time, and the knowledge and use of free programs like this removes a lot of the fear.
Sorry for rambling on like that.
You zap the moderators with a wand of humor! The moderators resist!
It used to be a no-brainer - Home Depot in Vancouver was open 24 hours, great selection, and a little bit closer to me than the nearest comparably sized Revy store.
Sure, a little bit of me didn't like shopping at a US firm when there was a Canadian firm, but at 2 AM, you don't have much choice, and for some reason I always seem to end up going and getting lumber and crap for things I'm working on at 2 AM.
Then one day, HD announced they were going stock only from 2 AM to 5 AM. Fine, I thought. No biggie. I'll just try to get there earlier.
Then it was midnight to six.
Then ten to six it was closed. Now it's the same hours as Revy.
Then they "expanded their aisles to make shopping better". Nice doublespeak for "we dropped twenty percent of our stock"!
Creature of habit that I am, I kept going there. I'm uncomfortably reminded of "how to boil a frog"... but one day, I wander into Revy on a quest for the holy rivet.
OK, not that holy. I just needed some damn copper rivets. HD had nothing. I go into Revy, and they have not just one or two but dozens of types of rivets. I realized then how bad I'd been getting it at HD. Never going back there again!
Just some fun facts.. OS/2 acp2 was released in jan.2002. It can run a complete gnu enviromnent (gcc, shell/text/file utilities, latest XFree..etc), its got VirtualPC 5.1 so you can run a virtual Linux or Win9x/nt/xp on your OS/2 desktop, a sweet textmode mp3 player that can search through all the online mp3-streams for streams that interest you (theres also gui players...). OS/2 acp2 and VirtualPC are the only thing you have to buy, everything else is free.. although, if you hang out in the right places, you can get it all for free. oh yea, kernel updates are being released every month or so... its really a nice alternative OS.
RMS dislikes the use of "win" to refer to the MS Windows platform because he regards using MS Windows as a loss, not a win. So in the GNU Emacs source code, all variables and functions in the MS Windows port that had been named win32-* were changed to w32-*.
Additionally, In the Emacs manual, "MS-DOG" is used to reference MS-DOS.
~PhillipHow many platforms does Linux(tm) run on?
I don't even know where to start.
"Many plethoras."
How many platforms does windows run on?
x86. AI64. Arm. All that I am aware of.
"Three."
And the person basically called windows
more "cross-platform" than Linux(tm).
lamers.
bork
Here we have an excellent example of somebody doing something because they were not sure about what they were talking about. Hence take the "safe" bet and use Windows.
The problem with the statement she makes is that they would have a lack of drivers if they went cross-platform. So that means they have all the drivers on the i386 platform. Hence right now they are locked into i386. So since they were "locked" they might as well get locked totally and use Windows. Why, because at least it is supported!
To Jill Taylor this logic makes sense. However, to people outside it makes little sense since either route would end up at the same destination. The problem with her logic is that she is associating Linux with cross-platform and failure to do so as a strike against the platform. In other words in her mind Linux 1 Windows 2, when in fact the score is Linux 2 Windows 2.
It is funny when I am on panels and I make these comments on the bad logic within corporations many people take a hissy fit. The reality is that most people decide on funny logic like this.
"You can't make a race horse of a pig"
"No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
My only dependency to Windows is a GPL liscensed app. VirtualDub. There isn't a free (as in beer and speech) comparable app on any operating system.
VirtualDub sort of works in Wine.
Will I retire or break 10K?
No, no, you've got it all wrong! The "In Soviet Russia" part goes in the subject, in all caps, and you can't make any additional pseudo-humorous comments in the body. Don't you know anything?
So I had a look at the screen, and was suprised to find a Red Hat icon instead of a Start button in the lower left hand corner.
This turns out to be old news, but still a pleasant surprise.
Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system.
The wife of the Tool Man on TV's "Home Improvement", as portrayed by Patricia Richardson? Probably not.
Will I retire or break 10K?
What, you expected a sensible response from the woman married to Tim the ToolMan?
They're evil because they're cash registers run an OS I don't like!
</SARCASM>
What's that about freedom of choice again?
Here's a corporation that actually considered the alternative, and for whatever their reasons, right or wrong, decided it was inferior.
How about instead of condemning them, the community looks to the reasons that linux lost a fair fight and addresses them?
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Much of the real work was still done on MVS (that the IBM mainframe) in JCL, assembly, and whatnot.
The other day, I had a look at a new looking terminal in the Lowes. It was some kind of IBM box, running X. The main aplication seemed to be .... a 3270 emulator. Ta-da! the sturdy old background process continues to run but they now have a reasonable desktop to add other applications if they feel like it. No hideous CompUSA adverts blaring, just a nice clean window manager. The terminal, by the way, looked to have all the expected IBM toughness. It was pleasing to see.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
The last time I bought something at Home Depot, I got caught in line at the register for like 25 minutes. The woman ahead of me had to get something price checked (was taking forever), and all the other lines were real long. While waiting for the price check, I asked the woman at the register whether she could ring me up while they waited. She said no. Her register could only handle one transaction at a time.
How in the world is Microsoft software going to allow them to do two things at the same time?
Sex - Find It
Phoenix nightlies! How buff!
Makes my Chimera nightlies seem so unleet in comparison.
They have all their Windows cd key labels taped to the side of their PCs throughout their store for anyone to read or record.
On the labels it specifically tells them not to remove the label either.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
... Don't be stupid. Parent post recieved an overrated moderation for saying this:
"What happened to Home Depot and the Dark Side?"
Don't mod this guy Redundant or Off-topic. When the topic originally appeared it was missing that info. Don't burn his karma up just because he can't go back and update it now that the story is fixed.
Normally I wouldn't bother to post something like this, but I've been burned a couple of times recently over it. If you have karma to burn, mod up the funny posts or find people that really are trolling. Don't mod people down because an article was corrected after the fact. Its not like we can run back and edit our posts to coincide with the edit to the story.
The Cyberiad "N" words are such a delight. I've often wondered what they were like in the original Polish.
"HD is a retail shop, not a technology shop. ...As far as the head retailers were concerned, IT was nothing more than a 'cost center.'"
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Home Depot will never be as big as Wal-Mart. Home Depot thinks of IT as a hole that the company is constantly pouring money into; Wal-Mart relentlessly uses IT to further its goals of getting the lowest cost from suppliers. (The definitive article on Wal-Mart and technology.)
Home Depot will never be a leader in the industry if it continues to view IT as an expense rather than an investment. Your post was an excellent example of how retailers tend to forget that technology, when used properly, can not only form the core of the business, but strengthen existing product lines. Home Depot's executive staff most likely looks at Wal-Mart and ask "How do they do that?" The answer lies in Wal-Mart's aggressive stance on technology adoption.
In fact, Wal-Mart and Home Depot are even compared here, where Wal-Mart's CIO is asked whether or not it will make a difference if competitors use RFID tags. (RFID tags are Wal-Mart's next big frontier.) "The challenge is to keep innovating faster than the competition can copy us," he says.
If what you're saying really is true of Home Depot, expect Wal-Mart to keep swallowing Home Depot's business. Wal-Mart has never labeled itself as "just a retail shop," as you label Home Depot. Home Depot doesn't have the competitive advantage, nor does it sound like they know where to spend to get that advantage. I expect that Wal-mart will remain a leader for some time to come in the retail space. This quote sums up what you're seeing nicely:
"'I think Wal-Mart views technology in a different light than most retailers,' says Peter Abell, retail research director at AMR Research. 'It's not only an integral part of the company, but it's where the leaders of the company can come from.'"
This is the direction in which Home Depot must go in order to become truly successful at lowering costs and increasing productivity. Unfortunately for Home Depot, Wal-Mart is already there, and getting further and further ahead...
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I read about this a few weeks back. There's a new trend in american retail, which is not the least bit secret, to try to move as much of the store's labor as possible onto the customer. It will be interesting to watch this unfold, they'd make us clean the floors and stock the shelves if they could figure out a legal way to do it. For now we can just watch little Johnny lug a 400lb item 100 yards to the checkout counter, and check out our own products.
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Home depot is never a pleasant experience. Now in order to shop there, you're supposed to work for them too. I will not be shopping there.
Here's a link about the 'Home Depot Bill of Rights' which doesn't include safety. It doesn't really include service either, you're just entitled to the 'expectation' of service.
http://www.seinigerlaw.com/homedepot/Customer%2
Modern retail has been converted to warehouses, with the customers soon to be converted to workers, but without the safety requirements.
Here's a nice one on falling merchandise deaths, with Home Depot getting '185 injury complaints a week' in a certain year.
http://www.fallingmerchandise.com/acrobat/
Why pay someone to work, and spend money on their safety, when you can just get a customer to do it for free?
Another case when corporate HQ's "We're considering transitioning to Linux..." turns out to be biz-speak for "Gimme a discount, Ballmer!"
We'll know Linux has won this battle when the shoe's on the other foot and HQ mulls over "transitioning to Windows" until, I dunno, some widget-manufacturer agrees to release open-source drivers that work on the latest RedHat release... or something.
-renard
Yeah, I love this book. What I find most amazing about it is that it was originally written in Polish, and somehow all that poetry still comes out amazing. The one you quoted goes on for another 7 verses, and each damn one rhymes. Although that's probably a much of a tribute to the translator as is is to Lem himself.
I think my favorite story from that book is the one where Trurl creates the world's stupidest, most stubborn thinking machine that insists 2 + 2 = 7, and tries to kill Trurl when he won't agree that it's not 4.
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but awhile ago there was an article about MS sales reps giving deep discounts to anyone considering Linux. The article was probably a month ago, but maybe that's why Home Depot suddenly ditched Linux, because they got a huge discount on Windows? Someone should go in and offer a 100% discount on Linux to them.
Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.
Looks like good ol' Jill is either on the dole or is susceptable to MS FUD. Either way, I wouldn't want her working for my company. That's too bad for Home Depot. That just cost them a buttload of $$$. Looks like the cost of my do-it-yourself remodel isn't going down anytime soon....
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I'm not sure how far on or off topic this is, but I happen to work for Home Depot's biggest competitor, Lowe's. All of the POS registers in the stores built in the last few years are running Red Hat, and all of the ASCII terminals are being replaced with thin clients that - surprise! - are running Red Hat as well. All of the programs we use for special order sales, project design, and such are all being ported to the new thin clients. The basic trend is to move away from Windows (Design and Special Order tools) and AIX (POS and terminals throughout the store) to Linux.
You mean Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, right?
</movie joke>
This article illustrates the biggest rift in ideas between the former Soviet Union and Eastern Block science fiction and Western and in particular science fiction. Soviet sci-fi was the only medium for a somewhat freer expression of ideas and critisizm then most other literary channels and so veiled in otherworldly travels the reader in fact finds very deep commentary on society and technology. Unlike American sci-fi classic Soviet sci-fi rarely goes into the technology or alien biology but instead is much more preocuppied by its effect on people and it's representation of other types of societal order. I would suggest to anyone who would care about this to read Arkady and Boris Strugatski's books such as "Inhabitted Island", "Hard to be a god" and "Picnic by the roadside" the last of which was filmed by Tarkovsky as "Stalker". These are the books which are the most understandable by Western readers and with a good translation are incredibly interesting to read.
I don't have my copy handy, but I must say that the translation is the best I have ever seen. The original text is (as you can imagine) extremely difficult to convey consistently and well, especially in a language as different as English.
The Cyberiad is also a testament to the breadth of Lem's talent. I would love to see more work in this vein, but alas, there is no more...
A few more stories appeared here and there in Polish compendiums, but as far as I know they have not been translated into English (yet).
In case you were curious, these new stories do not expand on the Trurl and Klaupacius per se.
Jan
Actually, the Guardian is based in Manchester, not London. It's a bit further north.
Cyberiad is one of SF's few works of literature. Unfortunately, it's probably doomed to relative obscurity because the language is highly mathematical.
On a side note, it was amusing to see (in the Globe article) the true colors of cold warrior hack Jerry Pournelle come to light. His characterizations of Lem as "boring" and someone who "embraces communist egalitarianism" says far more about him than about Lem.
"until now, when Home Depot announced they would be upgrading their POS systems with technology from NCR Corp., and 360 Commerce Inc. and ... Microsoft Corp."
.sig is longer than yours.
So they are upgrading POS systems to great big whopping POS systems! (same TLA, but use your imagination)
-My
THE MAGIC WORDS ARE SQUEAMISH OSSIFRAGE
will have a real POS system!
Microsoft gives a whole new meaning to the acronym POS.
There have been two additional releases of OS/2 since Warp 4 in 1996. Known as convenience packs. I run Merlin Convenience Pack 2 which is OS/2 4.52 which, as I said, was released in 2002. OS/2 isn't dead... but IBM's heart hasn't been been in it for a long time.
pigfukr
At the official Stanislaw Lem Web site, they have the entire statement made by Lem about the new movie version of Solaris , written on December 8th.
He seems to have a negative view of the typical Hollywood ending, saying that
How, exactly, is this is a troll? My guess is that the moderator didn't get the joke. So, for the cosmically clueless, here it is:
The parent poster misspelled "rogue" as "rouge." This misspelling actually resulted in a different word, properly spelled. "Rouge" is French (and other languages, including English meanings) for "red." Therefore, when Alomex commented on "rouge linux" being the standard distro in Soviet Russia, he was actually being quite witty: Red Linux is standard distro in Soviet Russia.
Sheesh. Give some clown mod points, he turns off his brain.
Moderate drunk! It's more fun that way!
You read *news on FoxNEWS?
FoxNEWS is an oxymoron.
And like it or not AC, Slashdot is one of the best technical news journals around. Maybe not for depth, but certainly for volume-- how many things do you find out about on Slashdot first? As for the Anti-MS comments, that is simple trolling. There are as many (probably paid) MS supporters (by volume of postings) as there are MS-Bashers.
The MS crowd uses the same tactics as the far-right-- get on a public forum, accuse those whom disagree as being zealots, and post multiple times to drill the lie into the popular sub-conscious.
If you can't handle a bit of MS-ribbing why don't you just go read www.microsoft.com and publish your invective there,
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Acquiescence leads to obliteration
She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.
Isn't the purpose of "cross-platform hardware" to provide cross-platfrom support or do I not speak management?
What's Menards? I mean, I can bore you by talking about 84 Lumber or Busy Beaver, but it would mean very little to you.
Lowmag.net
One of the big problems with Lem's novels is that the characters tend to be cold, intellectual cardboard cutouts with no personalities. I can't motivate myself to read a 300-page novel about characters I can't even tell apart. The robots in the Cyberiad, ironically, are a lot more interesting as people.
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Time compress it. It was 90 minutes and felt more like 3 hours. So if you time compressed it to say 60 minutes, then you'd have a movie that seemed like two hours and George Clooney would sound a bit like Alvin and the Chipmunks :)
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Sorry I'm dumb. It could not produce Natrium because it's really Sodium? am I missing something?
Thanks.
From the article
Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.
If you can't standardize your POS hardware, you've got bigger problems than what OS to use. Even if you can't, I seriously doubt hardware compatiblity is really that much of a problem with Linux. I think the real kicker is the word "mainstream". I smell fud.
It's rouge as in jaune and vert, not rouge as in lipstick and eyeliner!
:)
Good post, made me laugh.
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Let's think about this for a moment. If you are deploying thousands of systems, you can set a standard and deploy a standard that is compliant with Linux. As for attached hardware, I guarantee you that any POS hardware shop would bend over backwards to make a massive sale to home depot. They are one of the 800 lb gorillas in retail so you'd think that they get a little flexibility from their vendors.
So now they get to pay licensing fees on all of those POS systems forever. What happens when Microsoft no longer supports the OS on your registers? Now you HAVE to upgrade, and outlay even more in support costs.
Good thinking... really...
In reality, I guarantee that this decision is the old, "nobody lost their job choosing microsoft", the more modern version of the same phrase that was applied to IBM originally. IF they went with Linux and it was a failure for whatever reason, the person who made the decision is SCREWED. IF they go with windows and it's a failure, they won't take the heat because they went with Microsoft.
Granted, if the Linux option succeeds they have the potential to look really good, but oh well...
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part. They are dropping their own BSD based Unix variant and moving to either Win2K or Solaris I was told by our account rep but have never seen it in print. Given the choice between X86 hardware with the possibility of Linux/Windows flavor of the month, or Solaris and the lockdown into SUN hardware,Solaris X86 is a joke sorry, I can see why this route was chosen. This is from a TeraData point of view, but I am sure it applies tthroughout NCR.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Home Depot will never be a leader in the industry if it continues to view IT as an expense rather than an investment.
Agreed! To view IT as a cost center only is to blind oneself to the advances that we can make to "mere retail."
In fact, Wal-Mart and Home Depot are even compared here
You have no idea! The Home Depot concept IS the Wal-Mart concept (mostly). The common managerial question at HD upon considering a new idea was, "Has Wal-Mart done it?" The Home Depot cheer was a carbon copy of the Wal-Mart cheer. Giving stock to all company employees was an idea HD copied from Wal-Mart as well. So was the "Inverted Pyramid" idea (read: lie).
The differences between Home Depot and Wal-Mart are why HD will shrink and Wal-Mart will grow. 1. Home Depot has a service element which is much, much more difficult to quality and inventory control. 2. HD is much more limited in what they can sell than Wal-Mart is. Many Wal-Marts now have grocery stores.
If what you're saying really is true of Home Depot, expect Wal-Mart to keep swallowing Home Depot's business.
It's inevitable. Wal-Mart and Home Depot will eventually be competitors, and HD will lose that battle.
I expect that Wal-mart will remain a leader for some time to come in the retail space.
I expect that Wal-Mart will be the defining force behind retail until the retail concept becomes obsolete.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
The other day, I had a look at a new looking terminal in the Lowes. It was some kind of IBM box, running X. The main aplication seemed to be .... a 3270 emulator.
/blah/blah/blah...."
:)
It's the killer app of the IBM mainframe: it doesn't crash.
The IBM mainframe had a bright, red, candylike switch on the front of it that practically screams "SWITCH ME!!!" yet doing so would be catastrophic for the machine. I found that hilariously ironic.
And I'll never forget the first support call I did for one of the "IBM people." I was a UNIX engineer. I told the guy, "Ok, just look in the directory
And he asked me back, "What's a directory?" Keep in mind that he was a person who was very skilled in computing and programming.
A defining moment of my life.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
Someone has to nitpick... There is no "interview", it's just a nice short article on Stanislaw Lem, using the last movie as an excuse to call attention on an immensely underrated author.
The "interview" part consists of a single quote, taken from the public statement he published elsewhere about the criticisms to the North American version of Solaris.
The article is pretty good, though. I was unaware of some of the details of PKD's involvement in the SFWA debacle.
Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4, everything else follows...
"Look, old boy," said the machine, "if I could do everything starting with n in every possible language, I'd be a Machine That Could Do Everything in the Whole Alphabet, since any item you care to mention undoubtedly starts with n in one foreign language or another. It's not that easy. I can't go beyond what you programmed. So no sodium." There's your answer, hehe. What a great story.
If I wasn't so lazy, I'd have a sig.
When you launch a Windows app in OS/2, it launches Windows inside a virtual DOS box, then runs your app. It's real Windows 3.1 code, not an emulation.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Translation is an interesting problem.
Douglas Hofstadter , of Goedel Escher Bach fame, wrote an entire book about the nuances of translation, using many, many translations of an obscure one stanza poem to illustrate his theme.
It is somewhat surprising how well translation of poems or other word play works, and even more surprising is how wildly differant translations can convey the same feel, and somehow capture the feel of the original work.
Of course, it isn't too hard to screw it up completely either.
I imagine there is about 10x as much free software for windows than there is for Linux. What a stupid comment. Open-source zealously to new, even stupider dimensions.
Now they really will be POS terminals!
My username does not make me Apathetic. It's irony, get it?
It ain't no OS/2!!!
Actually, I've seen the login prompt on several Lowes terminals - it's AIX. Thought that was very cool myself.
Michael Kandel did that and all the best of Lem's complex meta-fiction translations (One Human Minute, Imaginary Magnitude, etc.). I agree, he's brilliant.
About four years ago, my wife and I visited Hong Kong. At the airport, I needed to make a phone call... and the only phones available were the Phones of Evil.
These were phones with a touch-screen LCD display. You could touch icons to get news web pages, or you could try to use it as a phone. I say "try" because I found it was very insensitive to my attempts to dial, until (in frustration) I started pressing hard and it would dial the same digit twice, making me need to start over. Finally, in desperation, I carefully dialed for an operator and asked to be connected to the number I was trying to dial.
Next to me, I saw a phone crash. It displayed a Windows NT error message (in English!). I don't remember what the error was, just that it wanted to be rebooted.
I wonder if the evil touchscreen phones are still there, or if they have been ripped out by now? (If they need help ripping them out, I'll volunteer.)
When the Windows Toaster comes out, I am so not getting one.
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
The description of HD's IT shop reminds me of a question that went through my head a while ago, when I read a story about how some small-time crooks defrauded HD out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
The system they used was simple: HD had very liberal return policies, so the crooks would get a particular expensive bathroom faucet off the shelf, put a fake barcode on it, copied from a lower-priced faucet, pay the lower price at the cashier, and then return it for a cash refund at the higher price.
Now, at this point one is saying "yes, but they always bought the same faucet, so I'm sure the dozens of returns involving the same product must have set off some bells pretty quickly". That's what I thought, too.
But apparently they went on with this scam for more than a year, making thousands of purchases, and they were caught by (a) police (b) store security waiting for them, (c) a special fraud detection program, or (d) a cashier who recognized one of them from when he was caught switching tags a couple of years before. Did you guess (d)? That's about as intelligent as HD gets, apparently.
---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
I have this urge to say "me too," if only to rile up those who remember Usenet from the early 90s...
:-)
Instead I'll try to add a little here. The Cyberiad is fantastic. It's hilarious. It had me laughing out loud on the train just like when I read Douglas Adams for the first time, but unlike Adams, Lem's wordplay remains interesting even after multiple visits. Really he is a truly brilliant man, and it shines through in the Cyberiad. Please read.
While Solaris might be the most famous book from Lem, I much prefer "The Cyberiad"
:) and that is not
something most of us can do, even geeks. It was a bit sad for me to
learn about Lems political problems with US writers. And I think he
was right pointing at commercialization of American si-fi writers as a
some kind of Western decadence.
This book is not for everyone, but indeed I value 'Cyberiad' much more then Solaris. I don't think I saw any other book with so many provocative ideas. It does make you think though
"with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware"
- This sounds like premium quality Microsoft Sales produced BS/Double Speam.
If you are using cross-platform hardware that you can use it with Linux and Microsoft, otherwise it is Single Platform hardware.
Hence "We don't want to use Linux because Micrisoft tell us we can't use it cross-platform with Windows, therefore Micrsoft has proposed that we only use Windows therefore removing the problems, with no option whatsoever of being cross-platform and we are thereafter tied into a nice fat Microsoft contract for ever-more".
Body goes in pseudo-humorous comments!
paintball
Sounded abour like this:
.x release" one....
GNU Generation, a student association at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology of Lausanne, proudly announces the release of GNUWin-II, version 2.1,
a collection of free and open source software for Windows.
It comes on a CD with more than 50 applications, articles, and a five-language (yes it's Swiss, plus Spanish was added in the new release)
html based interface to help newcomers discover Free Software.
You can browse it or download it from one of the mirrors.
I was hoping the article getting thru as a "yet another
"OS/2 on a PS/2 - Half an operating system on half a computer"...
shird kinda says what I want to say. It's all about choice. We at TheOpenCD are trying to show people that Microsoft or whatever other company is not the only choice they have. There are very good opensource alternatives to the programs we run. The switch to Linux is not on our agenda. Personally I just want to have my parents running the same basic software on Windows that I run in Debian Linux. When they call me for support of OpenOffice I can bring it up and not have to guess what the options in MS Word are because I don't own it.
Eric
As the other poster replied UMLWin32
is the closest you'll get to this right
now.
I investigated this a month or so back to
check out my own "evil dream" - the capability
Windows boxen to act as mosix nodes.
I didn't post this as a means for everyone to pirate Home Depots cd keys. I just noticed it and thought it was interesting. Thanks for clarifying though!
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
These were full blown Dell PCs.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
yes, Lem doesn't have the incredibly well developed characters of someone like Dick, the silly alien interactions of Asimov, the wars and battles of Pournelle, or the geekness vindication of Stephensen or Gibson.
he doesn't try to make fantasy out of sci-fi, he doesn't try to give us a warm fuzzy about technology or society, or excite us with explosive plots. his books provide a mental challenge, paradoxes, psychology, and stark reality that most popular science fiction completely ignores. there are tons of people who used to say j.r.r. tolkien is boring. they don't anymore because JRRT is in the mainstream now, but c'mon, reading LOTR and the Silmarillion was a lot like reading history books with an occasional plot! (btw, i'm not knocking JRRT, i've always loved his work)
now, i'm a native Polish speaker (and reader) so of course i've read Lem in Polish and maybe a lot is lost in translation (actually, i think Solaris' translation isn't all that bad, i've read it in both Polish and English). give his other works a chance: Return from the Stars, Eden, Fiasco, the short stories of Ion Tichy (Star Diaries), the essays of One Human Minute...
read my epinions review of Lem for more, if you're interested.
frankly, i'm really disappointed that slashdotters would be so ignorant of Lem's amazing insights in the rest of his works...
in this age of communication i'm just not getting through
everytime he comes up people who have heard of him have to bring up Cyberiada. Sigh.
This is like saying, why does everytime somebody talks about Allan Poe have to bring up "The Raven", sigh.
I've read three other books by Lem, and The Cyberiad stands out. Seemingly many other "westerners" feel the same way...
This reminds of the joke about the guy on the highway who hears a radio report: "traffic bulletin: a maniac is driving down the highway in the wrong direction" and the guy says "one? its more like hundreds!"
Comparing the Bay Area against Texas pitts the Bay Area against a pretty high standard, too. I just moved from the latter to the former, and was astounded by not only the cheap land prices but the friendly people as well. It's not just the Bay Area, though -- it's most of California. I've lived in (and visited) quite a bit of the state, and the only part I've found even remotely as friendly as Austin (where I relocated to) is the college town of Chico, up north. I was utterly astonished at the number of people (many of whom I'd not met, or only barely knew, prior) offering to let me stay with them until succesfully finding work and a place to live (both of which, incidentally, have happened) -- people just don't do that in California.
Just my take, anyhow. Californians who might be inclined to respond -- please only do so if you've spent some time in Texas.
I think I probably understand IBM mainframes than 90% of the slashdot readers. That does not by any stretch of the imagination make me skilled at using such a machine, but it does not make me clueless, either.
It's a smudge on your character that the only thing you could think to write in your reply was an insult.
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Is that Home Depot has a spokeswoman named "Jill Taylor"?
Does anyone recognise that name? It's the same name as Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor's wife on Home Improvement.
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I recall that Lem detested the renowned first movie, as it appeared to him that Tarkovsky has steered too far from the message the book tries to convey, bringing his very own instead.
However, everything in that movie is worlds apart from Hollywood standards. And frankly, the book ending felt simply "D'oh" for me. Tarkovsky had left me astounded.
NB: Amazingly, that movie is a case when an inability to enforce the copyright proved to be good.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Who's the GNUWin babe?!
well, here in good old europe (at least in austria, where I live) most of atm's run on os/2... there were some experiments to use windoze 95/98 for them, but the resulting bluescreens on atm's quickly ended that experiment.
Karma
Exxon's 'Universe of Energy' tends to the peculiar rather than the ... After [an incomprehensible film montage about wind and sun and ... there's a final, very addled
humorous
rain and strip mines and] two or three minutes of mechanical confusion, the
seats locomote through a short tunnel filled with clock-work dinosaurs.
The dinosaurs are depicted without accuracy and too close to your face.
"One of the few real novelties at Epcot is the use of smell to
aggravate illusions. Of course, no one knows what dinosaurs smelled like,
but Exxon has decided they smelled bad.
"At the other end of Dino Ditch
message about facing challengehood tomorrow-wise. I dozed off during this,
but the import seems to be that dinosaurs don't have anything to do with
energy policy and neither do you."
-- P.J. O'Rourke, "Holidays in Hell"
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