People exchanging ideas about something they know little about (as in the discussions above) I find hard to qualify as "interresting", "amuzing" at best, but mostly plain "pointless".
Secondly there are enough good lawyers around to work through contracts with, and of course being a consultant (read businessman) the original poster should have some skills himself there. Not having these skills can be compensated with spending more money on legal advice. That is exactly what distinguishes a healthy business from an unhealthy business, if the legal isseus get too expensive to handel (especially since this is just contractual stuff, whcih occurs often). One should wonder if one is in the right line of work...
Just my 2 cents...
But then again, I never was a Geek, I was just accused of being one:-)
I spent some time at a company like that, it was horrible, especially since the inexperienced guys tend to be seen as the experts in areas where they have absolutely no experience.
Took me a while to find that out, a little longer to try and show management the value of real business experience (i.e. things in real companies, not universities or opensource projects).
Finally left, went to a different place, have been happy here for a few years now, actually getting challenges, and having my value recognised.
On a side note, probing if someone actually has skills has to be done, you'd be surprised how many people lie about their skills....
All you get is pseudo informed opinions, guesswork and annecdotal "evidence". Ask you legal council, if you don't have one, find one, If this is the type of thing you are dealing with, hire a specialist. Get one you trust and can talk to.
I'v Used just Lnux at home for over 10 years. I recently added Windows, and I do enjoy he fact that almost any device (not just Ipods) will work out of the box with my XP machine.
So my latest machine has not been converted to Linux, and won't be.
It's just a matter of what you like to to to achieve what goal. On Linux, having a new toy alwais means tinkering. I actually like tinkering, but I want to chose when to tinker and when to play...
I still have a Linux Box around (And a Minix 3 box these days) for tinkering, and XP because it gives me good fucntionality.
Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population over time. One example is insects developing a resistance to pesticides over the period of a few years. Even most Creationists recognize that evolution at this level is a fact. What they don't appreciate is that this rate of evolution is all that is required to produce the diversity of all living things from a common ancestor.
The origin of new species by evolution has also been observed, both in the laboratory and in the wild. See, for example, (Weinberg, J.R., V.R. Starczak, and D. Jorg, 1992, "Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory." Evolution 46: 1214-1220). The "Observed Instances of Speciation" FAQ in the talk.origins archives gives several additional examples.
Even without these direct observations, it would be wrong to say that evolution hasn't been observed. Evidence isn't limited to seeing something happen before your eyes. Evolution makes predictions about what we would expect to see in the fossil record, comparative anatomy, genetic sequences, geographical distribution of species, etc., and these predictions have been verified many times over. The number of observations supporting evolution is overwhelming.
What hasn't been observed is one animal abruptly changing into a radically different one, such as a frog changing into a cow. This is not a problem for evolution because evolution doesn't propose occurrences even remotely like that. In fact, if we ever observed a frog turn into a cow, it would be very strong evidence against evolution.
Reminds me of things like HURG:
http://www.nonowt.com/magfold/revsfol/hurg.html
That was good fun in the day, would get a simple game going without much programming.
Although I mostly found programming more fun than playing....
That office suites alwais will have security flaws as long as they are feature driven (which is what the current user seems to like). Almost any piece of software that is driven by features and functionality becomes unreliable and insecury in time.
Can we stop complaining about MS Office now? Can we all get back to reality and go to work?
Most larger hedge funds, market makers, etc. will hire guys/girls (mainly guys tho for some reason) straight out of coledge (with a Bachelors or a doctorate) and train them up.
Lots of opportunities in that area, it you can stand the heat that is....
Don't focus on tools too much, one options ids to get hold of some IBM documentation on "The Method". This gives you a great framework tp model complex systems in in such a way that is is actually useful.
beware though, it's a method, not a bible, use from it what works for you.
Can't help you to links, find a buddy who works there.
That actually depends on how you define superior product. In my view that means the product that more people are willing to pay the price for. Combined with actualy making a profit that would be a superioe product.
Of course you can also argue tha is someone has one customer that makes him a profit bigger than the 20 M. seperate products that that is a superior product...
Like I said agree with you, but it does depend on definitions.
The current version will work without Active-X but not everything will be as flashy as it is on Win.
What I like about it is that you get a lot of stuff out of the box, and the basic level of customization you don't need too much help with. From tehre it can be more expensive, true, but I find it not more expensive than for other tools.
Since the OP mentioned a small-medium size organzation (250 users), I think it could be a good fit.
I don't get he lock in myth... Here at/. people seem to worry about that a lot. Fact is that any choice made OSS/Proprietary/DIY/other presents some kind of lock in. Moving from one product to another is alwais costly, the cost of the licences is normally not relevant. Actually in most cases (exceptions exist, so annedotal evidence of e opposite can be presented) these costs are actually not significant.
Don't worry about the lock in, do worry about what a product can do for you.
Very true. Actually what's described in the article is already happening. Sure there will be a ndeed for programmers/sysadmins etc. _but_ if you want to move ahead you _will_ have to understand your business. This already is the case, and actually was the case over 10 years ago.
I have alwais made an effort to get more business knowledge and I must say it has alwais created lots of new exciting opportunities for me. Dowside is hat you become less of a geek...
RSI is normally caused by a combination of factors at least that's what our consultant tells us, and I find her very good at het job).
As far as I've seen RSi can get out of hand badlt and sometimes just never go away if not treated well. I would say, do not try to solve things by yourself, and do not ask people that could know some stuff but are not authoritive.
Call in a pro. That would be best for your user. Works for my company.
Quite funny to see people see your comment as a Linux vs. Windows comment.... While you (if I read it correctly;-) ) point out that problems with Windows security are treated very differently on/. from problems with OSS security...
That is a bit of a shame I think. If there would be a good balance, the comments here would actually bear some weight, not it just reads like some zealotry.
This zealotry is easilly counterred by marketing people, a balanced view that is obviously credible is a lot harder to counter...
>That fact that people like you are too bigotted to see that doesn't make it any less true.
I checked, there is a definate unbalance in there, just because you don't see it does not make that less true... (see, argument works both ways;-) )
>No, just fighting fire with fire. Tried that, doesn't work... (just try to put out a real fire with fire some time. You'll find it quite hard, there may be a lesson in there...)
If you really want to compensate for bad journalism, it's not by doing more bad journalism yourself, but to do good journalism.
Showing some really "insightful" comments (instead of the ones that get modded up just for defending one side) would make the whole discussion on/. more credible.
Now they just lowered themselves to the level of the "mass media" (nice generalisation by the way).
I'm afraid you're right, people will attack the test eventhough some anecdotal evidence is enough if used in favour of OSS. Such a shame if credit is given when credit is due (.net is quite good, so are a lot of other MS products at the moment, maybe people like to use that stuff too) claims made on/. would be much more credible.
Right now you can predict how it's going to be, so the general wisdom on/. will not be any more valuable that the general OSS zealotry...
If these places have a _need_ for those specific computers I am fairly sure that that is because it runs a specific piece of software. if it's just still there it should be replaced with a new piece of kit anyway (just like the home user mentioned). These machines should be written off by now which (in most healthy cases) means there is room in the budget for new kit.
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People exchanging ideas about something they know little about (as in the discussions above) I find hard to qualify as "interresting", "amuzing" at best, but mostly plain "pointless".
:-)
Secondly there are enough good lawyers around to work through contracts with, and of course being a consultant (read businessman) the original poster should have some skills himself there.
Not having these skills can be compensated with spending more money on legal advice. That is exactly what distinguishes a healthy business from an unhealthy business, if the legal isseus get too expensive to handel (especially since this is just contractual stuff, whcih occurs often). One should wonder if one is in the right line of work...
Just my 2 cents...
But then again, I never was a Geek, I was just accused of being one
You are right,
I spent some time at a company like that, it was horrible, especially since the inexperienced guys tend to be seen as the experts in areas where they have absolutely no experience.
Took me a while to find that out, a little longer to try and show management the value of real business experience (i.e. things in real companies, not universities or opensource projects).
Finally left, went to a different place, have been happy here for a few years now, actually getting challenges, and having my value recognised.
On a side note, probing if someone actually has skills has to be done, you'd be surprised how many people lie about their skills....
All you get is pseudo informed opinions, guesswork and annecdotal "evidence". Ask you legal council, if you don't have one, find one, If this is the type of thing you are dealing with, hire a specialist. Get one you trust and can talk to.
Well...
I'v Used just Lnux at home for over 10 years. I recently added Windows, and I do enjoy he fact that almost any device (not just Ipods) will work out of the box with my XP machine.
So my latest machine has not been converted to Linux, and won't be.
It's just a matter of what you like to to to achieve what goal. On Linux, having a new toy alwais means tinkering. I actually like tinkering, but I want to chose when to tinker and when to play...
I still have a Linux Box around (And a Minix 3 box these days) for tinkering, and XP because it gives me good fucntionality.
But maybe it's just me....
Some how even people one would expect to keep a clear view on things seem to fall for the creationists trap....
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To quote a good site on the subject:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconception
"Evolution has never been observed."
Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population over time. One example is insects developing a resistance to pesticides over the period of a few years. Even most Creationists recognize that evolution at this level is a fact. What they don't appreciate is that this rate of evolution is all that is required to produce the diversity of all living things from a common ancestor.
The origin of new species by evolution has also been observed, both in the laboratory and in the wild. See, for example, (Weinberg, J.R., V.R. Starczak, and D. Jorg, 1992, "Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory." Evolution 46: 1214-1220). The "Observed Instances of Speciation" FAQ in the talk.origins archives gives several additional examples.
Even without these direct observations, it would be wrong to say that evolution hasn't been observed. Evidence isn't limited to seeing something happen before your eyes. Evolution makes predictions about what we would expect to see in the fossil record, comparative anatomy, genetic sequences, geographical distribution of species, etc., and these predictions have been verified many times over. The number of observations supporting evolution is overwhelming.
What hasn't been observed is one animal abruptly changing into a radically different one, such as a frog changing into a cow. This is not a problem for evolution because evolution doesn't propose occurrences even remotely like that. In fact, if we ever observed a frog turn into a cow, it would be very strong evidence against evolution.
For people who can't code they're quite successfull doing it.
I have seen a few people use their stuff (and being quite happy with it).
They mus do something right, and more than marketing, looking at all he repeat orders (and happy users actualy).
Reminds me of things like HURG: http://www.nonowt.com/magfold/revsfol/hurg.html That was good fun in the day, would get a simple game going without much programming. Although I mostly found programming more fun than playing....
That office suites alwais will have security flaws as long as they are feature driven (which is what the current user seems to like). Almost any piece of software that is driven by features and functionality becomes unreliable and insecury in time.
Can we stop complaining about MS Office now? Can we all get back to reality and go to work?
Have a look at derivatives trading.
Most larger hedge funds, market makers, etc. will hire guys/girls (mainly guys tho for some reason) straight out of coledge (with a Bachelors or a doctorate) and train them up.
Lots of opportunities in that area, it you can stand the heat that is....
Don't focus on tools too much, one options ids to get hold of some IBM documentation on "The Method". This gives you a great framework tp model complex systems in in such a way that is is actually useful.
beware though, it's a method, not a bible, use from it what works for you.
Can't help you to links, find a buddy who works there.
That actually depends on how you define superior product. In my view that means the product that more people are willing to pay the price for. Combined with actualy making a profit that would be a superioe product.
Of course you can also argue tha is someone has one customer that makes him a profit bigger than the 20 M. seperate products that that is a superior product...
Like I said agree with you, but it does depend on definitions.
The current version will work without Active-X but not everything will be as flashy as it is on Win.
What I like about it is that you get a lot of stuff out of the box, and the basic level of customization you don't need too much help with. From tehre it can be more expensive, true, but I find it not more expensive than for other tools.
Since the OP mentioned a small-medium size organzation (250 users), I think it could be a good fit.
Infra is prety cool, ets you gong quickly, ITIL verified, etc...
I like it, should work for an organization like yours.
http://www.infra.be/
http://www.infraenterprise.nl/
http://www.infra.co.uk/
http://www.infra-corp.com/
I don't get he lock in myth... /. people seem to worry about that a lot. Fact is that any choice made OSS/Proprietary/DIY/other presents some kind of lock in.
Here at
Moving from one product to another is alwais costly, the cost of the licences is normally not relevant. Actually in most cases (exceptions exist, so annedotal evidence of e opposite can be presented) these costs are actually not significant.
Don't worry about the lock in, do worry about what a product can do for you.
Very true. Actually what's described in the article is already happening. Sure there will be a ndeed for programmers/sysadmins etc. _but_ if you want to move ahead you _will_ have to understand your business. This already is the case, and actually was the case over 10 years ago.
I have alwais made an effort to get more business knowledge and I must say it has alwais created lots of new exciting opportunities for me. Dowside is hat you become less of a geek...
RSI is normally caused by a combination of factors at least that's what our consultant tells us, and I find her very good at het job).
As far as I've seen RSi can get out of hand badlt and sometimes just never go away if not treated well. I would say, do not try to solve things by yourself, and do not ask people that could know some stuff but are not authoritive.
Call in a pro. That would be best for your user. Works for my company.
Quite funny to see people see your comment as a Linux vs. Windows comment.... ;-) ) point out that problems with Windows security are treated very differently on /. from problems with OSS security...
While you (if I read it correctly
That is a bit of a shame I think. If there would be a good balance, the comments here would actually bear some weight, not it just reads like some zealotry.
This zealotry is easilly counterred by marketing people, a balanced view that is obviously credible is a lot harder to counter...
Ah well...
>That fact that people like you are too bigotted to see that doesn't make it any less true.
;-) )
I checked, there is a definate unbalance in there, just because you don't see it does not make that less true... (see, argument works both ways
>No, just fighting fire with fire.
Tried that, doesn't work... (just try to put out a real fire with fire some time. You'll find it quite hard, there may be a lesson in there...)
If you really want to compensate for bad journalism, it's not by doing more bad journalism yourself, but to do good journalism.
/. more credible.
Showing some really "insightful" comments (instead of the ones that get modded up just for defending one side) would make the whole discussion on
Now they just lowered themselves to the level of the "mass media" (nice generalisation by the way).
I'm afraid you're right, people will attack the test eventhough some anecdotal evidence is enough if used in favour of OSS. /. would be much more credible.
/. will not be any more valuable that the general OSS zealotry...
Such a shame if credit is given when credit is due (.net is quite good, so are a lot of other MS products at the moment, maybe people like to use that stuff too) claims made on
Right now you can predict how it's going to be, so the general wisdom on
Such a shame...
If these places have a _need_ for those specific computers I am fairly sure that that is because it runs a specific piece of software. if it's just still there it should be replaced with a new piece of kit anyway (just like the home user mentioned).
These machines should be written off by now which (in most healthy cases) means there is room in the budget for new kit.
Actually, yes it did, for a similar reason I like Bach. Van Gogh, nope, that's pure emotion.
But then again, maybe that's why I'm not a true nerd...
My thoughts exactly.
I'm not complaining... Just starting the discussion about studying and enjoying art that don't alwais work wellb at the same for a lot of people.
I'm not saying they should not do the study... Just that I like to view art without them on my mind.