A couple of years? I thought the only difference between Fedora and Debian was.rpm and.deb?
The administration tools are different, which means in some cases you have config files in different places. The default layout for where packages install their files can also vary from application to application. Different policies on what applications to package as base/core packages also provide a fair amount of difference between the two.
You can't compare apt and rpm (command line tools). These are the only comparisons which are valid
command line dependency trackers - apt vs up2date/apt/yum
binary package formats - RPM vs DEB
command line single package management tools - rpm vs dpkg
If you make any comparisons which cross the above boundaries, you are either trolling or have a fundamental misunderstanding of what you are discussing and should reald up before posting.
Another word we need to get rid of: "FUD". Started out as Sun's way of saying that all criticism of Java was Microsoft propaganda. Then it became a way of dismissing anybody you disagreed with as being dishonest.
Actually it was started by Gene Amdahl in reference to IBM's marketing after he left and started a competing business. It is specifically meant to refer to innacurate marketing propaganda to scare consumers away from your product.
meh, I saw a PC without a case. They just had all the components lying, neatly organized, on a static pad on the desk, with a lucite display case cover propped up above them all.
AFAICT, there is no mention that this intel processor will be x86.
Have you been sleeping? All the demos Jobs did at the keynote were done on a Pentium 4. The transition developer kit included a Pentium 4 machine. They Universal Binary Programming Guildlines even say no more OpenFirmware. All these factoids have been posted to various threads like 100 times.
OP didn't say Ubuntu was no good (at least that's not what I read), just that the current install base was primarily people who used to use Debian testing or unstable. I've tried Ubuntu a couple of times, and I have to say I strongly prefer the config/admin tools in Fedora to any other distro (including Mandrake and Suse). There are two things I like about Ubuntu: they include the DSDT in initrd kernel patch so you don't have to rebuild your kernel to fix broken laptop ACPI; and the use of apt. The second point is moot because You can use apt on FC, but Yum is just as good (for my needs). Also, I prefer rpm to dpkg anyday. Regarding the ACPI thing, Suse and Mandrake also include that kernel patch by default, so Red Hat is really out in the cold on that one, but it turns out that ACPI on my laptop still doesn't work even after cleaning up the DSDT. So that leaves me with no incentive to run Ubuntu. In fact, it leaves me with no incentive to run Linux on that machine, so I don't. But if I did, it would be FC.
"You already had six reports of failure, and yet your company did nothing. Your negligence is directly responsible for my disfiguring burns."
That was the exact reasoning behind the several hundred thousand dollar judgement against McDonalds after that old woman spilled her coffee. McDonalds had several hundred complaints about people getting third degree burns from the coffee due to flimsy cup/lids.
Even if the income was bumped to min wage, and they reported it, they'd almost never have any tax liablity anyway, because almost everyone who makes that little pays no taxes. Poor people don't pay taxes
I never said otherwise.
And the health care thing isn't because they don't pay taxes...they wouldn't pay taxes anyway, they don't make enough. It's because poor people can't afford health insurance, which has nothing to do with how legal someone is. There are plenty of poor, legal people who do the same.
That's a case where Walmart (and any number of companies both multinational and mom/pop) could help but chooses not to to improve their bottom line. A full-time minimum wage earner is entitlted health insurance. Poor people who are in the system legally can actually go through using Medicare and go to regular physicians rather than tying up the emergency room to get antibiotics for a sinus infection. Poor people who have fraudulent paperwork can too, but run the risk of being deported. Poor illegal immigrants without fake identities have to use either the emergency room or black-market health care.
And the same with car insurance. That's nothing to do with illegals existing, it has to do with poor people existing who don't have car insurance.
Perhaps that's why I said "If you get in a wreck caused by someone without auto insurance you're screwed." Notice that sentence makes no reference to their legal status. But you can't argue the fact the not giving drivers licenses to illegal immigrants forces them to drive without insurance, as you need a license to obtain it. The two solutions are to offer licenses to immigrants or take care of the illegal immigration problem by making it easier and more beneficial for people to immigrate legally. Public transportation is a pragmatic alternative to driving without insurance in most cases.
It's really amazing how many of these 'stop illegal immigration' arguments actually seem to be 'stop poor people' arguments.
You can tell yourself that all day, but the fact is that these are real problems in southern border states like Texas, Arizona, and California. If illegals were brought into the country using the proper channels and paid at least minimum wage and given an opportunity to receive benefits, they wouldn't have to abuse tax funded programs. That doesn't mean they'll suddenly be helping to pay for those programs. as you astutely point out, it means they won't be abusing it. The illegal status somewhat traps them into the poor status. Poor legal residents have more options than poor illegal immigrants. Take care of the illegal part, then we can work on the poor part.
It astonishes me that people think all these people make less than minimum wage are causing some huge tax shortfall. Most of them wouldn't have to legally file a return because they didn't make enough!
If you're making less than minimum wage you're being paid under the table with unreported income. Therefor there is no tax liability that the IRS knows about. The problem people talk about with illegal immigrants costing money is on the other end of the equation, where people not paying tax use government services paid for by taxes. The most obivous is the health care industry. Illegal immigrants go to the emrgency room and don't pay. The costs are covered by government bailouts and Medicare, which is paid for with tax money. It also ends up making health insurance cost more. Just like illegal immigrants driving without auto insurance getting into accidents making our own insurance costs go up. If you get in a wreck caused by someone without auto insurance you're screwed. They don't have any money so they aren't going to pay for your repairs, and the insurance industry has to raise premiums to cover the costs (because not everyone has the cash on hand to pay for the repairs out of pocket, so they claim on their own insurance).
As for the one-time use numbers, how do they offer you any protection?
I't sprotection from unscrupulous sites who do recurring charges and make it a hassle to cancel. You give them a temporary number to try it out, and if you don't like it the number won't be good in a month and they can't keep charging you.
citibank had the same thing (flash applet or standalone application). but recently i've had problems using it in firefox on windows, haven't booted linux in a while so i'm not sure about that. Discover card has is too, and i haven't had any cross-platform problems with that.
No it isn't, I know resident aliens with driver's licenses (in Texas). To prove citizenship (for example to get a passport) you need a birth certificate which shows you were born on U.S. soil, or proof that one of your parents (listed on your birth certificate) is/was a citizen (their birth certificate or passport). I know all this having gone through helping my wife (a naturalized citizen, born in the Ancon Canal Zone in Panama) get a new passport without having her old expired passport.
sources of identification are the last opportunity to ensure that people are who they say they are and to check whether they are terrorists.
Sure would have been a good idea to have checked ID on Sept. 11th, then, considering several of the highjackers has state issued driver's licenses identifying them as people on the terrorist no-fly lists. If authorities didn't make use of the old ID cards, why would creating new ID cards have any effect?
FedoraCore3 already includes the mDNSresponder. And the source code to Rendezvous was a free download last time I checked. That should be all you need. There's even a HOWTO for making your MP3 drive on your linux box an iTunes shared library, just google for it.
It's kind of like trying to figure out why there are beaches in Bikini Bottom.
There really are deep ocean "lakes" and "beaches." You just get a two liquids which don't mix (oil and water, for example) and have very different densities and 'pothole' on the ocean floor that fills up with the more dense liquid. You see craxy stuff like that deep near thermal vents. They talked about them briefly during the Blue Planet shows on Discovery Channel. Can't seem to find one in GIS though.
All I've ever seen is illegal copies of the real Windows OS. Does Microsoft really expect us to believe that there are people out there who have written another OS which behaves enough like Windows that it will fool people into thinking they bought a Microsoft operating system???
His Royal Apholsteredness will be unable to hold court today while out picking nits.
Another thing would be better wireless support. Unlike KDE, there is no app that can do what Kismet can. The network app. lets you connect wirelessly, but no part Gnome lets you scan. In this department many good programs have appeared that would fix this problem. I like- Wifi Radarand this applet
Actually that's not true. The NetworkMonitor applet will launch network-admin (gnome's network configuration tool) if you click the button to configure the interface you're monitoring. From there you get a drop-down list of SSID's which will be populated by nearby networks if you card's driver supports scanning. Granted, it's not as simple to use as NetworkManger, but I've found NetworkManager (on FC3) to slow down DNS resolution (it has a built-in caching mechanism). In terms of ease of use for finding/configuring networks, NetworkManager and Apple's UI are the best I've used.
That's a tool to create a site-specific packaging of IE. It's not a package from MS with all your site customisations that you can directly deploy to your machines.
Gentoo has a lot of benefits over FC is why people keep talking about it. Maybe if other distros stopped just being "yet another distro" and took note you wouldn't see people pluging other OSes all the time....
Your feeble mind just can't handle the thought that other people just don't care about and don't want to discuss Gentoo. Especially in discussion about FC.
Justin [who knows an update to gnome that adds integration with dbus and hald just might legitimately need a new kernel that actually supports dbus and hald, just to pose one valid example scenario, putz... ]
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The administration tools are different, which means in some cases you have config files in different places. The default layout for where packages install their files can also vary from application to application. Different policies on what applications to package as base/core packages also provide a fair amount of difference between the two.
If you make any comparisons which cross the above boundaries, you are either trolling or have a fundamental misunderstanding of what you are discussing and should reald up before posting.
Actually it was started by Gene Amdahl in reference to IBM's marketing after he left and started a competing business. It is specifically meant to refer to innacurate marketing propaganda to scare consumers away from your product.
My guys beat your guys by over a decade.
That's a great email address, jklsemicolon @ asdf.com. Not as good as dot @ dotat.at, though.
meh, I saw a PC without a case. They just had all the components lying, neatly organized, on a static pad on the desk, with a lucite display case cover propped up above them all.
Have you been sleeping? All the demos Jobs did at the keynote were done on a Pentium 4. The transition developer kit included a Pentium 4 machine. They Universal Binary Programming Guildlines even say no more OpenFirmware. All these factoids have been posted to various threads like 100 times.
Do these colored rocks keep tigers away? If so, I would like to buy one.
It doesn't do PPC either, afaik
OP didn't say Ubuntu was no good (at least that's not what I read), just that the current install base was primarily people who used to use Debian testing or unstable. I've tried Ubuntu a couple of times, and I have to say I strongly prefer the config/admin tools in Fedora to any other distro (including Mandrake and Suse). There are two things I like about Ubuntu: they include the DSDT in initrd kernel patch so you don't have to rebuild your kernel to fix broken laptop ACPI; and the use of apt. The second point is moot because You can use apt on FC, but Yum is just as good (for my needs). Also, I prefer rpm to dpkg anyday. Regarding the ACPI thing, Suse and Mandrake also include that kernel patch by default, so Red Hat is really out in the cold on that one, but it turns out that ACPI on my laptop still doesn't work even after cleaning up the DSDT. So that leaves me with no incentive to run Ubuntu. In fact, it leaves me with no incentive to run Linux on that machine, so I don't. But if I did, it would be FC.
That was the exact reasoning behind the several hundred thousand dollar judgement against McDonalds after that old woman spilled her coffee. McDonalds had several hundred complaints about people getting third degree burns from the coffee due to flimsy cup/lids.
That looks more 'slightly shotgunned' than burnt from an exploding battery.
I never said otherwise.
And the health care thing isn't because they don't pay taxes...they wouldn't pay taxes anyway, they don't make enough. It's because poor people can't afford health insurance, which has nothing to do with how legal someone is. There are plenty of poor, legal people who do the same.
That's a case where Walmart (and any number of companies both multinational and mom/pop) could help but chooses not to to improve their bottom line. A full-time minimum wage earner is entitlted health insurance. Poor people who are in the system legally can actually go through using Medicare and go to regular physicians rather than tying up the emergency room to get antibiotics for a sinus infection. Poor people who have fraudulent paperwork can too, but run the risk of being deported. Poor illegal immigrants without fake identities have to use either the emergency room or black-market health care.
And the same with car insurance. That's nothing to do with illegals existing, it has to do with poor people existing who don't have car insurance.
Perhaps that's why I said "If you get in a wreck caused by someone without auto insurance you're screwed." Notice that sentence makes no reference to their legal status. But you can't argue the fact the not giving drivers licenses to illegal immigrants forces them to drive without insurance, as you need a license to obtain it. The two solutions are to offer licenses to immigrants or take care of the illegal immigration problem by making it easier and more beneficial for people to immigrate legally. Public transportation is a pragmatic alternative to driving without insurance in most cases.
It's really amazing how many of these 'stop illegal immigration' arguments actually seem to be 'stop poor people' arguments.
You can tell yourself that all day, but the fact is that these are real problems in southern border states like Texas, Arizona, and California. If illegals were brought into the country using the proper channels and paid at least minimum wage and given an opportunity to receive benefits, they wouldn't have to abuse tax funded programs. That doesn't mean they'll suddenly be helping to pay for those programs. as you astutely point out, it means they won't be abusing it. The illegal status somewhat traps them into the poor status. Poor legal residents have more options than poor illegal immigrants. Take care of the illegal part, then we can work on the poor part.
If you're making less than minimum wage you're being paid under the table with unreported income. Therefor there is no tax liability that the IRS knows about. The problem people talk about with illegal immigrants costing money is on the other end of the equation, where people not paying tax use government services paid for by taxes. The most obivous is the health care industry. Illegal immigrants go to the emrgency room and don't pay. The costs are covered by government bailouts and Medicare, which is paid for with tax money. It also ends up making health insurance cost more. Just like illegal immigrants driving without auto insurance getting into accidents making our own insurance costs go up. If you get in a wreck caused by someone without auto insurance you're screwed. They don't have any money so they aren't going to pay for your repairs, and the insurance industry has to raise premiums to cover the costs (because not everyone has the cash on hand to pay for the repairs out of pocket, so they claim on their own insurance).
the citi tool is written in flash.
I't sprotection from unscrupulous sites who do recurring charges and make it a hassle to cancel. You give them a temporary number to try it out, and if you don't like it the number won't be good in a month and they can't keep charging you.
citibank had the same thing (flash applet or standalone application). but recently i've had problems using it in firefox on windows, haven't booted linux in a while so i'm not sure about that. Discover card has is too, and i haven't had any cross-platform problems with that.
No it isn't, I know resident aliens with driver's licenses (in Texas). To prove citizenship (for example to get a passport) you need a birth certificate which shows you were born on U.S. soil, or proof that one of your parents (listed on your birth certificate) is/was a citizen (their birth certificate or passport). I know all this having gone through helping my wife (a naturalized citizen, born in the Ancon Canal Zone in Panama) get a new passport without having her old expired passport.
sources of identification are the last opportunity to ensure that people are who they say they are and to check whether they are terrorists.
Sure would have been a good idea to have checked ID on Sept. 11th, then, considering several of the highjackers has state issued driver's licenses identifying them as people on the terrorist no-fly lists. If authorities didn't make use of the old ID cards, why would creating new ID cards have any effect?
FedoraCore3 already includes the mDNSresponder. And the source code to Rendezvous was a free download last time I checked. That should be all you need. There's even a HOWTO for making your MP3 drive on your linux box an iTunes shared library, just google for it.
There really are deep ocean "lakes" and "beaches." You just get a two liquids which don't mix (oil and water, for example) and have very different densities and 'pothole' on the ocean floor that fills up with the more dense liquid. You see craxy stuff like that deep near thermal vents. They talked about them briefly during the Blue Planet shows on Discovery Channel. Can't seem to find one in GIS though.
His Royal Apholsteredness will be unable to hold court today while out picking nits.
Actually that's not true. The NetworkMonitor applet will launch network-admin (gnome's network configuration tool) if you click the button to configure the interface you're monitoring. From there you get a drop-down list of SSID's which will be populated by nearby networks if you card's driver supports scanning. Granted, it's not as simple to use as NetworkManger, but I've found NetworkManager (on FC3) to slow down DNS resolution (it has a built-in caching mechanism). In terms of ease of use for finding/configuring networks, NetworkManager and Apple's UI are the best I've used.
That's a tool to create a site-specific packaging of IE. It's not a package from MS with all your site customisations that you can directly deploy to your machines.
That just means you can't use the GPL. You could use something like LGPL, though.
Your feeble mind just can't handle the thought that other people just don't care about and don't want to discuss Gentoo. Especially in discussion about FC.
Justin [who knows an update to gnome that adds integration with dbus and hald just might legitimately need a new kernel that actually supports dbus and hald, just to pose one valid example scenario, putz ... ]