this is why i think it was the first to be thought up (you are free to counter these points with your own):
1)why they didnt come up with the b>w version first: simple.... they are trying to sell the white PSP, they wouldnt want to show the black version kicking its butt, so the put this one in to balance things out. thats why they added this ad
2) why they didnt come up with the w=b first: see #1... they want to show the new white version in the BEST possible light, saying its equal wont get people who already have a black to go out and buy a white to ebay their black.
3) why the DID come up with the w>b version first: shows off their new product in the best light, stirs up a STORM of free publicity that will allow them to get free adspace in places they otherwise never would have (/.)... by adding the other two they get people like our dear AC here to say that it isnt really racisim and therefore avoid a lot of the flak.
Why can't you accept that somebody would want a black-dominant advert for its own sake?
cause it wasnt commissioned for its own sake, it was commissioned as part of a collection with two other ads, one of which was very racist.
You think I'm a youngish white middle-class male and therefore my opinion doesn't count.
no, i think your oppinion doesnt count cause: 1) you dont have the guts to post as anything other then an AC and arnt willing to risk your karma rating, 2) I am willing to show my biases in black and white (or whatever font colour you like), whereas you try to claim neutrality when it is plain that you are anything but... you are happy with the way things are, and that points to a person who has been getting nothing but good from the way things are. I, for one, have got the shaft more times then i can count from the way things are and that is why i want to make it a more equitable place.
you just dont like the fact that some person on the net you will never meet has called your "great western culture" out on its blatent disrespect to minority cultures and that threatens you in ways i can only guess at.
The ones upset are Americans; those that had a small chance of ever hearing about the ad in the first place.
cause you know... nothing posted on the net in Holland will EVER been seen by someone in the US. Sony is a global company and has to be aware of global trends. Do you think they would make an ad of Mohamad playing a PSP and think they could get away with it if they just didnt show it in muslam countries? I seem to remember a cartoon that tried that and we all know how well that went. This ad may only have gone live in Holland, but any controversial ad can have global coverage in seconds, Sony must know this, and if they dont, they are dumber then a sack of rocks.
claiming that "those who would be offended weren't ment to see it" is no more valid in this argument then if you said a sexist joke then noticed there was a girl behind you and tried to get out of it by saying that she wasnt ment to hear it so "it wasnt acutally offencive". even if the person who may be offended never gets word of whats going on it doesnt make it any less offencive.
it would be, if popular culture had the idea that the black PSP was better because it came out first. if you read my posts you would have seen that there is a whole generation of kids who have grown up knowing that the latest tech is the best tech, and by extention the latest PSP (white) is better then the older version (black). That alone isnt a problem... its when the start associating the colour of the product with a race that it becomes subtle racisim.
if they had first come out with the white version then pulled this with a new black version it would be the same thing with the opposite ad... with the "black version is better then the white because its new" mentality.
as i replyed to another comment.... the only reason they even made the other ads was a "cover our ass" move so that when the sh1t hit the fan from their main ad they could claim plausable denialbility. The w>b ad is their money maker, the one they knew would get them the best coverage (eg get them a/. post)... would there have been a/. post if they had just made the w=b ad? not a chance. they wanted a sh1t storm to get free advertising.
riddle me this... which add do you think they came up with first? which do you think they are relying on to get the most publicity out of the campaign? why make any other ad then the equal version if they didnt intend for this exact kind of reaction in the media? They knew full well that the w>b version would make all kinds of shit hit the fan and knew they would need something to help cover their butts when that fan blew it all back to them
now they can say "hay, it isnt racists, look over there."
and the b>w version would have me saying the exact same thing if the white version came out first and they were saying that the black was newer and better just on the basis of being black.
your post smacks of someone who has never had to prove their own worth as a human being just to be treated as an equal.
and i think you missed mine, this ad is a perfict example of subtle racisim... it doesnt come out and say "WHITE PEOPLE ARE BETTER!" it says "the white PSP is better and its being represented by this white person"
As a queer kid growing up in a VERY intollerant small town I am ver familiar with subtle forms of discrimination. No one would come right out and say that because I was queer I was less of a person then they were, but after the 100th person asks me to prove that i should have the same rights they do insted of accepting that I should be treated the same and the burden of proof lays with those who want to reduce my rights that it begins to sink in that people dont treat me as an equal. Likewise seeing the "new and better" in a dominating posistion over the "old and weak" sends that same message to people of colour, that they arnt able to hold their own.
if the ad just came out and said "the new WHITE psp is stronger and better, just look at this picture" it would be far easier to discount and ultimatly less dangerious then this subtle version that has supporters saying "hay, it's not so bad, it's just a game ad, get over it"... making anyone who does feel marginalized by it stupid for taking offence and putts the burden of proof on them insted of on those who want to portray them as less then human.
I think some people will get that exact idea. Sony is playing the "Hay, it's new" card here and for an entire generation of young kids newer=better. And it does show the white version dominating the previous black version, the ad shows the white PSP is stronger and more powerfull (otherwise how could it tie up the black version?)
i disagee... the success of an add is whether or not it propts you do buy the product. IMNSHO this one is a bomb. It doesnt make me want a PSP, it doesnt tell me why it's better then the compitition, it doesnt say anything about what it can do, how it looks... nada....
going from one DRM locked format to another DRM locked format just doesnt seem like a good idea to me (as a consumer) but makes great sence from a marketing standpoint as it will help their player gain market presence quickly.
after learning Japanese I realized just how messed up English really is.... there are only two tences, it has a phonetic alphabet and best of all, Japanese only has 2 irregular verbs (I've used more then that already in this post). It makes thier grammer and spelling a thing to behold.
English on the otherhand has more excptions then rules. I have a lot more admeration for people who can learn English, truely the hardest language on earth.
I picked up a Zelman Reserator 1 Plus yesterday and cant wait to get it installed. Far better cooling then any air fan out there and no noise. (sure, it set me back a mint, but worth it)
FTA The association's most recent legal victory came in April when a federal judge in Michigan issued a permanent injunction halting the implementation of a state bill that would ban the sale of violent video games to minors. The judge rejected the state's claim that the interactive nature of video games makes them less entitled to First Amendment protections, the ESA said.
cause you know... conversations arn't interactive in the least. Guess some politician got too used to hearing themselves talk and everyone else just sit there in silence.
90% uptime = 10% downtime, so an increase of 50% uptime would be 95% uptime (5% downtime) not 135% uptime. therefore an increase of 20% would be 92% uptime (8% down)
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cause there arnt any Chinese or Indian Americans?
if whites had faced slavery, segigation, "driving while black" charges.... youre damn right the other add would have bothered me.
i may get a reduntant mod... but my hat's off to you
your President seems to differ from that opinion
this is why i think it was the first to be thought up (you are free to counter these points with your own):
1)why they didnt come up with the b>w version first: simple.... they are trying to sell the white PSP, they wouldnt want to show the black version kicking its butt, so the put this one in to balance things out. thats why they added this ad 2) why they didnt come up with the w=b first: see #1... they want to show the new white version in the BEST possible light, saying its equal wont get people who already have a black to go out and buy a white to ebay their black. 3) why the DID come up with the w>b version first: shows off their new product in the best light, stirs up a STORM of free publicity that will allow them to get free adspace in places they otherwise never would have (/.)... by adding the other two they get people like our dear AC here to say that it isnt really racisim and therefore avoid a lot of the flak.
Why can't you accept that somebody would want a black-dominant advert for its own sake?
cause it wasnt commissioned for its own sake, it was commissioned as part of a collection with two other ads, one of which was very racist.
You think I'm a youngish white middle-class male and therefore my opinion doesn't count.
no, i think your oppinion doesnt count cause: 1) you dont have the guts to post as anything other then an AC and arnt willing to risk your karma rating, 2) I am willing to show my biases in black and white (or whatever font colour you like), whereas you try to claim neutrality when it is plain that you are anything but... you are happy with the way things are, and that points to a person who has been getting nothing but good from the way things are. I, for one, have got the shaft more times then i can count from the way things are and that is why i want to make it a more equitable place.
you just dont like the fact that some person on the net you will never meet has called your "great western culture" out on its blatent disrespect to minority cultures and that threatens you in ways i can only guess at.
The ones upset are Americans; those that had a small chance of ever hearing about the ad in the first place.
cause you know... nothing posted on the net in Holland will EVER been seen by someone in the US. Sony is a global company and has to be aware of global trends. Do you think they would make an ad of Mohamad playing a PSP and think they could get away with it if they just didnt show it in muslam countries? I seem to remember a cartoon that tried that and we all know how well that went. This ad may only have gone live in Holland, but any controversial ad can have global coverage in seconds, Sony must know this, and if they dont, they are dumber then a sack of rocks.
claiming that "those who would be offended weren't ment to see it" is no more valid in this argument then if you said a sexist joke then noticed there was a girl behind you and tried to get out of it by saying that she wasnt ment to hear it so "it wasnt acutally offencive". even if the person who may be offended never gets word of whats going on it doesnt make it any less offencive.
it would be, if popular culture had the idea that the black PSP was better because it came out first. if you read my posts you would have seen that there is a whole generation of kids who have grown up knowing that the latest tech is the best tech, and by extention the latest PSP (white) is better then the older version (black). That alone isnt a problem... its when the start associating the colour of the product with a race that it becomes subtle racisim.
/. post)... would there have been a /. post if they had just made the w=b ad? not a chance. they wanted a sh1t storm to get free advertising.
if they had first come out with the white version then pulled this with a new black version it would be the same thing with the opposite ad... with the "black version is better then the white because its new" mentality.
as i replyed to another comment.... the only reason they even made the other ads was a "cover our ass" move so that when the sh1t hit the fan from their main ad they could claim plausable denialbility. The w>b ad is their money maker, the one they knew would get them the best coverage (eg get them a
riddle me this... which add do you think they came up with first? which do you think they are relying on to get the most publicity out of the campaign? why make any other ad then the equal version if they didnt intend for this exact kind of reaction in the media? They knew full well that the w>b version would make all kinds of shit hit the fan and knew they would need something to help cover their butts when that fan blew it all back to them
now they can say "hay, it isnt racists, look over there."
and the b>w version would have me saying the exact same thing if the white version came out first and they were saying that the black was newer and better just on the basis of being black.
your post smacks of someone who has never had to prove their own worth as a human being just to be treated as an equal.
because the other two arnt "ads", they are "covering our ass while the racist one gets the publicity"
and i think you missed mine, this ad is a perfict example of subtle racisim... it doesnt come out and say "WHITE PEOPLE ARE BETTER!" it says "the white PSP is better and its being represented by this white person"
As a queer kid growing up in a VERY intollerant small town I am ver familiar with subtle forms of discrimination. No one would come right out and say that because I was queer I was less of a person then they were, but after the 100th person asks me to prove that i should have the same rights they do insted of accepting that I should be treated the same and the burden of proof lays with those who want to reduce my rights that it begins to sink in that people dont treat me as an equal. Likewise seeing the "new and better" in a dominating posistion over the "old and weak" sends that same message to people of colour, that they arnt able to hold their own.
if the ad just came out and said "the new WHITE psp is stronger and better, just look at this picture" it would be far easier to discount and ultimatly less dangerious then this subtle version that has supporters saying "hay, it's not so bad, it's just a game ad, get over it"... making anyone who does feel marginalized by it stupid for taking offence and putts the burden of proof on them insted of on those who want to portray them as less then human.
im sooooo going to get troll points for this, but
I think some people will get that exact idea. Sony is playing the "Hay, it's new" card here and for an entire generation of young kids newer=better. And it does show the white version dominating the previous black version, the ad shows the white PSP is stronger and more powerfull (otherwise how could it tie up the black version?)
i disagee... the success of an add is whether or not it propts you do buy the product. IMNSHO this one is a bomb. It doesnt make me want a PSP, it doesnt tell me why it's better then the compitition, it doesnt say anything about what it can do, how it looks... nada....
going from one DRM locked format to another DRM locked format just doesnt seem like a good idea to me (as a consumer) but makes great sence from a marketing standpoint as it will help their player gain market presence quickly.
Microsoft will also allow you to download from its store any song that you've purchased from Apple, unlocking users from iPod's vendor lock-in."
and lock you into another.... just great
after learning Japanese I realized just how messed up English really is.... there are only two tences, it has a phonetic alphabet and best of all, Japanese only has 2 irregular verbs (I've used more then that already in this post). It makes thier grammer and spelling a thing to behold.
English on the otherhand has more excptions then rules. I have a lot more admeration for people who can learn English, truely the hardest language on earth.
im guessing im not the only one who got the image of the Joker with a pistol that spits out a "BANG!" flag rather then shoot anything :)
The sky is blue, water is wet, and smoking is bad for you.
And now, the weather...
cooking oil, eek, wouldnt want a short
I picked up a Zelman Reserator 1 Plus yesterday and cant wait to get it installed. Far better cooling then any air fan out there and no noise. (sure, it set me back a mint, but worth it)
heck, only 5-10% of their market were even playing games when DN first came out
FTA
The association's most recent legal victory came in April when a federal judge in Michigan issued a permanent injunction halting the implementation of a state bill that would ban the sale of violent video games to minors. The judge rejected the state's claim that the interactive nature of video games makes them less entitled to First Amendment protections, the ESA said.
cause you know... conversations arn't interactive in the least. Guess some politician got too used to hearing themselves talk and everyone else just sit there in silence.
not quite...
90% uptime = 10% downtime, so an increase of 50% uptime would be 95% uptime (5% downtime) not 135% uptime. therefore an increase of 20% would be 92% uptime (8% down)
and then by posting you voided your mod point
I keep trying but she always seems to have a headache