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Sony Pulls Controversial PSP Ad, Issues Apology

xenongamer writes "Sony has finally stepped up and pulled the racially controversial PSP ads out of the Netherlands. 'We... recognize that people have a wide variety of perceptions about such imagery and we wish to apologize to those who perceived the advert differently to that intended. In future, we will apply greater sensitivity in our selection of campaign imagery, and will take due account of the increasingly global reach of such local adverts, and their potential impact in other countries,' said Sony in a statement."

182 comments

  1. Stepped up? by Knara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They released ads in one country, and people with guilty social consciences complained in a totally different country. People need to get a grip, not every country in the world is socially obsessed with black vs. white race relations.

    1. Re:Stepped up? by Stratus+Fear · · Score: 1

      Yeah, seriously. I wish that over here in the US we wouldn't get so uppity about what's going on internally in another country. It's not like it's really our business or anything. Not all cultures should be the same as ours, and I'd hope that they aren't. Diversity is important.

    2. Re:Stepped up? by Kesch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Step 1: Release ads in Amsterdam.
      Step 2: Manage to get huge American ad attention by triggering guilty social conscience
      Step 3: When interest in ad begins to dwindle, drum up more publicity and goodwill by announcing withdrawl
      Step 4: ????
      Step 5: Profit!

      Honestly, for the price of a few billboards Sony is getting a lot of coverage for the new white PSP.

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    3. Re:Stepped up? by Knara · · Score: 0
      Good point. Still good press for Sony's product

      Still bothers me, though.

    4. Re:Stepped up? by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course not. Which is why when I was in Saudi I was told that Egyptians always steal, and Jews are out to kill Muslims.

      And when I was in Kansas, I was told that the fact my sister-in-law had once dated a "nigger" was reason to be mad at her.

      The fact is that racism, religiousism, whateverism is still alive and well in the world today - and it is *exactly* by pointing it out that you extinguish it. I hear people complain about "political correctness", and how its destroying things.

      Of course, the counter argument, as Jon Stewart once pointed out, is that Thomas Jefferson used to fuck his slaves.

      So every time you see someone do something that vaguely smacks of racism, you have to squash it, and squash it so hard so that the people who still believe in that crap are reminded that the rest of the world doesn't agree with them. When Congress doesn't want to renew the Civil Rights Voting act because they feel that the areas it targets aren't racist anymore, you get right in those people's faces and tell them "Oh yes it is", and then you show where voters are intimidated or have their names removed from voting lists by using criminal lists from other states.

      Sony fucked up, and I don't care what country they do it in: they screwed the pooch big time. There were plenty of ways to show that the white PSP was coming - but to show a white woman subjigating a black woman

      Oh, and for the "well, they have an ad showing a black woman beating up on a white one", you go through centuries of slavery, then more decades of racism, then continued glares from people who think that you're a thief just because you're black, or have problems registering to vote or get ticketed for "driving while black" and continued segregation of the schools, *then* tell me if you don't mind the black woman beating up the white one. That one was just as bad in my opinion, and just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean that it wasn't.

    5. Re:Stepped up? by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 1
      How do you know, that this didn't affect the blacks in Holland ?

      Europe also has a sizable african population you know, and they also had african slaves.

      What is interesting is, who was stupid enought not to see that this would cause problems.

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    6. Re:Stepped up? by spyrochaete · · Score: 2

      This reminds me of an article I read about banning the words "master" and "slave" from being taught in colleges in reference to installing hard disk drives in a computer. What's next? Rename crackers to "salty carb sticks"?

    7. Re:Stepped up? by general+scruff · · Score: 0

      I agree.

      When you think about this for just a few moments, what harm is this really going to cause? So, you see a white lady holding a black ladies face. The way that people interpret that depends on how thier mind is already wired. If they think about the context, then, "Oh yeah, a white PSP is going to give the black one a run for its money!"

      People need to get past the idea that "Racism isn't racism as long as you are being nice".

      If you treat people Differently depending on thier color or race, that is racism. Why not stop making people prescribe to your oversensitive, and ultimately self-defeating philisophy and GET OVER IT!

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    8. Re:Stepped up? by MassEnergySpaceTime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Internet is blurring the country lines.

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    9. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because Sony Computer Entertainment of Europe's advertising department is totally concerned about getting people in United States of America to buy PSPs. Honestly, people are just taking these ads way out of proportion, and the parent post is clear evidence of it. Sony is not some giant evil corperation that'll do anything to sell a fucking console.

    10. Re:Stepped up? by KingVance · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      bothers you how? because it shows a white chick dressed in white grabbing the face of a black chick dressed in black? it wouldnt bother you if it was the other way around burn in hell now mod me down

    11. Re:Stepped up? by linvir · · Score: 1
      you go through centuries of slavery, then more decades of racism
      Black people are immortal now?
    12. Re:Stepped up? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is stupid. What if the campaign were recreated, using just two white women, one wearing white and the other wearing black? What if it were two white men? How about two black men? How about two persian women? How about two ______ _______? Oh, but the fact that they are of different races means it's insensitive. You wouldn't have a problem with the ad if it were two persons of the same race and gender.

      This hypersensitivity is actually serving to perpetuate racist views. It is forcing people to consider race as an issue when people really shouldn't have to. Please don't feed me a line about the "years of oppression". What if the white woman was Jewish? In that particular ad campaign (of which people only ever seem to show one image of, conveniently leaving out another where the roles are reversed), who's opressing who?

      Personally, I'm disappointed in Sony for their retraction. Go ahead and say your sorry people have misinterpreted the intent of the campaign, that's fine. Even pulling the campaign itself s understandable.. apparently, people are too stupid for this ad campaign to work. But to come out and "admit" they were wrong? That's just caving into peer pressure there.

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    13. Re:Stepped up? by Burlap · · Score: 1, Insightful

      your President seems to differ from that opinion

    14. Re:Stepped up? by LocalH · · Score: 1

      What about the other two images? Do they bother you as well? If not, you're a reverse racist.

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    15. Re:Stepped up? by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      Actually there is an ad the other way around: black chick beating up white chick. There is also a third ad where they are shown as equals.

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    16. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pardon my ignorance, but how exactly can you interpret that ad in a way which doesn't play on the race conflict? Or do you think that it's OK to use a white vs. black racial theme to promote a game console and that people who take offense just need to lighten up?

    17. Re:Stepped up? by F_Scentura · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Still bothers me, though."

      The world must be a frightening and confusing place.

    18. Re:Stepped up? by Tebriel · · Score: 2, Funny

      They have inside them blood of kings! They have no rivals!

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    19. Re:Stepped up? by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

      I agree, this is so stupid. no company should be changing how they do business in a country the US doesn't have control over because we bitch.... and while on the topic of stuff that offends Americans, there is plenty of stuff in Japan that could probably be considered offensive in the US (mainly the glorification of young girls in sailor suits as "sexy"), but that doesn't mean they are preventing companies from using it as a cash cow because we don't agree with it.

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    20. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      show a white woman subjigating a black woman

      Freudian slip? Or just a troll?

    21. Re:Stepped up? by rcamera · · Score: 4, Informative
      it wouldnt bother you if it was the other way around


      it was the other way around as well. there were 3 ads. one features a black girl and a white girl on equal footing, one featured the black girl in a dominant position over the white girl, and one featured the white girl in a dominant position over the black girl. why does everyone just keep talking about the white over black ad? even my local news failed to mention the other two ads...

      check out this old post for links to all three ads.
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    22. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if Coca-Cola wanted to increase their sales in Afganistan and Iraq and decided to seek out well known insurgents to sponser their product you wouldn't have a problem with it? What if each of these ads included the number of American soldiers that had been killed by the insurgent?

      Is that cool with you?

      What about if it was a man standing over a woman and it had the caption "After beating your wife, enjoy a nice cold Coca-Cola"?

      Would you tolerate that if it was in a different country?

      The truth is that a corporations conscience (if it even has one) is displayed in it's actions when no one is looking or when they are put under pressure to do the wrong thing; whether or not the advertizement was offensive in the country it was released in, Sony's marketing drones must have recognized that it would be offensive through most of the developed nations in the world which still have significant racial problems. Whether a companies immoral action occurs in the United States or elsewhere in the world it is still is important here.

    23. Re:Stepped up? by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      What is interesting is, who was stupid enought not to see that this would cause problems.

      Sony marketing gurus, thats who. For the price of a handful of billboards in Amsterdam, their new product is getting worldwide media attention. Sony knew full well that the ads would create problems. In fact, they were hoping they would. Probably the only reason they released images where the black woman is beating on the white woman is to say "hey, see, we're not racist, you misunderstood our ad."

      Sony was hoping people would make a stink about this, and it worked out quite well for them.

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    24. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Your'e a moron. You're actually trying to justify racist views. Sucks to have been born 70 years too late, huh?

    25. Re:Stepped up? by Denney · · Score: 1

      goodness!! read the original posting by your post's parent - the very first post... and then understand what he/she is really saying.

    26. Re:Stepped up? by Denney · · Score: 1

      Actually, I meant to reply to post by LocalH

    27. Re:Stepped up? by PepeGSay · · Score: 1

      not one thing the poster said seeks to justify racists views. not one thing. the poster did say however that "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

    28. Re:Stepped up? by kabocox · · Score: 1

      So every time you see someone do something that vaguely smacks of racism, you have to squash it, and squash it so hard so that the people who still believe in that crap are reminded that the rest of the world doesn't agree with them. When Congress doesn't want to renew the Civil Rights Voting act because they feel that the areas it targets aren't racist anymore, you get right in those people's faces and tell them "Oh yes it is", and then you show where voters are intimidated or have their names removed from voting lists by using criminal lists from other states.

      But you are wrong. Almost everyone in the world except a very small percentage believes that foreginism/differentism is "Right and Proper." What people dislike are being targeted by "others" especially foreginers/differenters. You are "targetting" people who don't believe in the same prinicples that you do, which is normal. All humans are different and natively dislike anything unfamiliar to them. The more different you are or the more different types of thoughts that you provoke the more you will be disliked. It's a fact of human existance. We need to learn to live with it a bit better than pretending it doesn't exist.

    29. Re:Stepped up? by JayDot · · Score: 2

      [sarcasim]Oh, you're absolutely correct! The only way we are ever going to get those selfish bigots to stop being racist is to subject them to racism and see how they like it! [/sarcasim]

      Sure, it's a dumb ad idea. But jumping on the company for "racist" imagery doesn't help stop racism. Nothing gets fixed by screaming "Racism, Racism" every time somebody gets offended by the recitation of "Eenie, meenie, miney, mo..." (Guess which word used to be in the place of tiger. That's right, 3 year olds can be racist too, apparently.). Here's a novel idea, one that I have observed in practice and found workable: when you see something that might, possible, just maybe be qualified as racist, don't give it the dignity of a response. And that goes both ways, for both the white person and the black, the man and the woman.

      It's been 40 years since the 1960's, and there were a lot of proactive, integrationist folks alive then. The only reason I can see for racial tensions to still be causing problems is that there are people on both sides of the issue who want to be mad at someone. They want to have another group to blame for their own failures. Can't get a job? Must be because of all them colored people getting the jobs at lower wages, because it couldn't be that you're a lazy jerk that never worked an honest day in your life. Can't get promoted? Well, it must be that the big white "Man" is keeping you down, trying to put you back out in the fields, and it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that every time your projects are late it's someone else's fault.

      Some of my best friends were of a completely different ethnic background or of the opposite gender of me. That didn't change the fact that we were still great friends. And you know what? we never had majority/minority problems because we simply didn't allow those kinds of things to become problems. It's time for the world to grow up, take some responsibility, and quit making excuses.

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    30. Re:Stepped up? by linvir · · Score: 1

      You forgot to explain how the ad in question is racist.

    31. Re:Stepped up? by CokeBear · · Score: 1
      The truth is that a corporations conscience (if it even has one) is displayed in it's actions

      no. The truth is that corporations don't have a conscience. Morality is irrelevant to them, and all they can do is whatever they believe will maximize profit.

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    32. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is stupid. What if the campaign were recreated, using just two white women, one wearing white and the other wearing black?

      Well, then, there wouldn't be a problem then, now would there?

      Jackass.

    33. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So every time you see someone do something that vaguely smacks of racism...and just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean that it wasn't."

      No. This is a case of "offense".
      There is a difference between offense and racism.
      Racism is about intent; offense is about how actions are viewed and percieved.
      And most sane people temper offense with ideas what was the intent in the first place.

      Quote:

      "California Assemblyman Leland Yee and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) denounced the ad campaign, speaking out against the message the ads conveyed whether intentional or not."

      See the bold print, inentional or not? Sorry, but that is wrong. Mis-interpretation does not change the message or the intent. There is a difference between offense and racism.
      You are confusing the two.

    34. Re:Stepped up? by KingVance · · Score: 1

      The only one getting the attention is the white on black one. I hate the liberal media.

    35. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they do need to lighten up.

    36. Re:Stepped up? by caffeinatedOnline · · Score: 1

      be considered offensive in the US (mainly the glorification of young girls in sailor suits as "sexy")

      I don't know about you, but I am guessing that few, if any, of the /.'ers find offense in cute asian girls in sailor suits!

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    37. Re:Stepped up? by phlegmofdiscontent · · Score: 1

      You know, your attitude is the same attitude showcased in "Fahrenheit 451", where anything that's the least bit upsetting to anyone MUST be "squashed". It's also the same kind of attitude that led thousands to riot over a dozen images of a prophet and led many others to protest over a crucifix in a jar of urine. I consider that attitude almost as bad as the attitude that one person is "better" than another person based upon their skin color.

      Sure, the PSP ads are provocative. That's why they're so effective. Now EVERYONE knows about the PSP. And who knows, maybe, just maybe, it wasn't about black vs. white racial tension. Maybe it really WAS just about a dark-skinned person and a light-skinned person representing two colors for a product that was being marketed and people read into it too far.

      There's a sometimes a fine line between advertisement and art, and a fine line between art and offensive, and everyone has their own idea of where those lines should fall. If we start banning things based on an arbitrary definition of acceptable vs. unacceptable, we'll soon find that line creeping up on us until we really do get the society depicted in "Fahrenheit 451".

      The question we have to ask ourselves is whether we want to live in a society with freedom of expression and take the chance of being offended once in a while, or whether we want to live in a society where expression must be "approved" so as not to tread on anyone's delicate sensibilities.

    38. Re:Stepped up? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1
      Well, then, there wouldn't be a problem then, now would there?

      My point is, there shouldn't be a problem now. I saw the ad, and somehow managed to not think in terms of two women of different races, but rather just two women with different skin colors. It shouldn't be any different than two women with different hair colors. If it were a blonde and a brunette, would you cry "Oppression Against Brunettes!"?

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    39. Re:Stepped up? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1

      Thank you... that's an excellent summation. Dead on.

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    40. Re:Stepped up? by Olix · · Score: 1

      That sounded really good up until the "Some of my best friends are Black!" bit. I know you didn't mean it like that, but it sounded silly none the less.

    41. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about two persian women?

      You just made me climax.

    42. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My point is, there shouldn't be a problem now. I saw the ad, and somehow managed to not think in terms of two women of different races

      Let me guess... You're white. Which means that it's much easier for you to pull the whole "oh, I'm colorblind! racism doesn't exist anymore" bullshit.

      If it were a blonde and a brunette, would you cry "Oppression Against Brunettes!"?

      Jesus christ, have you never cracked open a fucking history book?! Do I really actually have to explain why that strawman of yours is so imbecilic?

    43. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't live in South Park, if you have a flag with a black colored person being hung by 5 white colored people it is going to offend people.

      If it were a blonde vs a brunette we wouldn't be having this discussion, but they decided to use racial imagery, got caught, and are now desperately "spinning" the story.

    44. Re:Stepped up? by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      Already happened: I rmember my dad being upset many years ago because he was called into HR for being "insensitive". His crime? Specifying "Male" and "Female" connectors for cables on a purchase order. Apparently the person who processed the order was offended.

    45. Re:Stepped up? by Burlap · · Score: 1

      if whites had faced slavery, segigation, "driving while black" charges.... youre damn right the other add would have bothered me.

    46. Re:Stepped up? by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      no company should be changing how they do business in a country the US doesn't have control over because we bitch

      As a proponent of free speech, I'd say anyone should be free to bitch about something any company does anywhere in the world. Said company is also free to completely ignore the bitching or respond to it as best suits their interests.

    47. Re:Stepped up? by plumby · · Score: 1
      What if the white woman was Jewish?
      There was an incident in the UK recently where the Mayor of London accused a journalist of being like a Nazi. There almost certainly would have been no scandal if it hadn't been for the fact that the journalist was Jewish. However, he was and as a result of the uproar that followed, the Mayor was suspended from office for 4 weeks.
    48. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with that interpretation is that it abstracts away too much of what is shown in the ad. The ad doesn't just translate to a white PSP giving a black one a run for its money. The white woman attacks the black woman. That is a hostile act, not just competition.

      It is true that racism will never stop being a problem until people aren't treated differently anymore based on their skin color. But in this case, if you try and abstract from the skin color, the ad makes no sense: One woman strangles another woman - White PSP coming soon! Doesn't make sense, does it? The ad only works if you see it in a racial context.

      There is such a thing as distasteful humour (What's the difference between Diana and Tiger Woods? Tiger has a good driver.) that's acceptable even though it offends some people. But Sony's ad doesn't fall into that category: They just exploit a racial theme because the ensuing controversy increases their product's visibility.

    49. Re:Stepped up? by JayDot · · Score: 1

      Actually, I never specified the ethnicity of my friends, nor did I specify my own. The reason for this was to try to avoid getting knee-jerk reactions (though I seem to have posted too late to be seen by the /. masses). I understand what you are saying, though. I did consider the possibility that such a paragraph might be misconstrued as an "I'm better then you" pat myself on the back. I decided to include that information because I was trying to drive home the idea that there can be relationships that cross ethnic (or gender, though that topic was not the main subject of the thread) boundaries without conflict.

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    50. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Let me guess... You're white. Which means that it's much easier for you to pull the whole "oh, I'm colorblind! racism doesn't exist anymore" bullshit.
      Let me guess ... either either you're black and you have the unfortunate mindset that every non-african owes you something for the crimes committed by our forefathers; OR, you're white and you have an unhealthy level of white-guilt.

      Personally, I could care less what race you are. I am absolutely sick and tired of having this political correctness and affirmative action crap crammed down our throats. What I find simply amazing is how so many people fail to grasp how these notions only serve to perpetuate the very stereotypes they wish to destroy. As a minority myself, I find it INSULTING that the government tells me I'm not "good enough" to make it on my own. That I am somehow less capable than those other ethnicities, and would not be able to advance myself if it weren't for these "noble" notions (affirmative action, "special" rights, race-specific scholarships, admission "quotas", etc etc etc). As far as I'm concerned, these very programs - and the attempt to "level" the playing field by giving me a head-start over others, are every bit as racist as those who bought and sold my ancestors as so much property.

      Jesus christ, have you never cracked open a fucking history book?!
      This my dear sir, is the problem. Dredging up history, and pretending that the crimes and deeds of the past are as persistent in our modern society as they were then. America, it is time to MOVE ON. Stop allowing the race-card to be played. There was a time in the past for such behavior, but THANK GOD, that time has PASSED. Continually framing issue after issue in a racial context only serves to highlight and emphasize SUPERFICIAL differences. Nobody is denying the fact that there have been grave sins committed in our great nation's past. But if we fail to look forward, and we constantly worry ourselves sick over how our ancestors behaved, we will be unable to achieve anything worthwhile for our generation - leaving our children to ponder and be amazed by our ineptitude.
    51. Re:Stepped up? by toiletsalmon · · Score: 1

      So apparently you think 40 years is a long time? Ignoring slavery and it's legacy has worked so well these last 143 years, hasn't it?
      Here, I think you should read this: http://games.slashdot.org/~toiletsalmon/journal/13 9277 It probably doesn't apply exactly to you, but the main idea remains the same.

    52. Re:Stepped up? by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      "Our" president not only differs with most of the world, but most of America as well. I didn't vote for him, but more importantly, millions of Americans voted for him simply because he seemed "like a good guy you could sit and have a beer with," not because they agreed with him. Bush doesn't represent the majority, or even a plurality of people's opinions in this country (thank god), and he definitely represents VERY few of the view of American Slashdotters.

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    53. Re:Stepped up? by general+scruff · · Score: 0

      If thats the reason they ran that ad, then they have no excuse. Basically the equivent of a flaimbait post.

      Is that a boycott I hear in the distance?

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    54. Re:Stepped up? by identity0 · · Score: 1

      No doubt, judging from the blackface performers in the Netherlands. Holy shit, I thought David Sedaris was kidding about the six to eight black men.

      In all seriousness, I don't see the ads as being offensive - all they're doing is grabbing each other, not forcing one to pick cotton or whipping one of them in chains. It's not even risque.

      On the other hand, how could the Dutch or the ad agency not at least forsee that this would cause controversy among the more sensitive? Do they not have any black rights organizations in the Netherlands?

      One thing that's striking about the way race issues seem to work in Europe is that it's seems like the white left that is condescending to non-white races, instead of non-whites organizing and publicly fighting for their rights like in America. I can't offhand think of a single non-white civil rights leader of Europe - who is their Martin Luther King Jr. or Malcom X?

      There seems to be a lot of white people here who are saying "Well, why is it offensive only when it's the white person dominating, not the black one?". I think that shows the kind of disconnect from history that is common here. Slashdotters think in terms of philosophical equality, not in terms of historical relations between the races. The black woman dominating a white woman does not have the same kind of recollection of the past that the other ad has. If that ad had been a white woman dominating a Jewish one, there likely would have been more of a reaction in the Netherlands.

      But again, I don't think the ad itself shows anything worth getting upset over - it's not even on the level of fighting, let alone slavery.

    55. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      people with guilty social consciences complained

      The NAACP has a guilty social concious? Do they feel bad for helping educate minorities so Rush Limbaugh can't make them buy his Oxycontin for him? I feel bad, perhaps if those minorities hadn't been educated, you might be able to read and form your own opinions today.

      Dance monkey boy! Parot the inflamitory hate speak like a good little fool

    56. Re:Stepped up? by biovoid · · Score: 1
      ...and just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean that it wasn't.
      And just because you find it offensive doesn't mean that it was.

      If I find your nick "Dark Paladin" offensive, will you change it?

      Mind you, I'm not defending Sony's ad - in fact I found it a blatant attempt at sensationalism.
    57. Re:Stepped up? by kaens · · Score: 1

      Great post.

    58. Re:Stepped up? by acidrain69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no such thing as "reverse" racism. You're either racist or you're not.

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    59. Re:Stepped up? by paedobear · · Score: 1

      It's a bit more complicated than that - the journalist worked for a paper that had - almost up until the moment war was declared - BEEN a big supporter of the Nazis. If he had called, say, a reporter from the Guardian a "Nazi" that'd be more difficult to explain away.

    60. Re:Stepped up? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I disagree. While not everyone agrees with everything Bush has said or done, The majority of people agree with at least part of it. We cannot make a blanket statment that people voted for bush because he seemed more palitable then his oponants. Thats the same thing everyone said about clinton when the majority of people you talked to wouldn't admit to voting for him.

      In every presidency, you will find that people claim they don't support this or that more because the implementation has evolved into more negetive effects then when initialy introduced. I voted for bush because I wanted a tax cut, i was afraid of one of his oponants and his last oponant seemed to mirror bush's stance on everything but claimed he had a plan (that no one could find) wich was to do what bush was already doing or did but it somehow would work for Kerry were it didn't for bush.

      People often confuse issues with the popular tag lines in the media too. I support homeland security. I don't support the invasions of privicy it is bringing. I support securing our borders, I don't support giving illegals amnesty as well as I don't support sending them all to prison. But as long as thier illegal, they can be forced to work for lower wages then a natural born citizen might and that keeps the overal wages down in certain markets. I support the war in Iraq, i don't support the way it is dragging out but I guess the alternative would include killing inocent civilians by default. Rigth there Named 3 programs I support but don't support the way it is implemented. It is not however saying i don't support the president and we shouldn't confuse the two as they are only slightly related.

    61. Re:Stepped up? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      reverse racistmight not be the best term here. It implies the oposite of being a racist were the intent is definatly seems to mean the type of racial discimination. (black on whote vs white on black discrimination and so on)

      I guess the point I'm trying to make is that a reverse racist is still a racist and not a person who isn't a racist. I'm sure you already knew that but others reading might not know.

    62. Re:Stepped up? by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you hit the issue on the head. The media in general is making this a racialy charged incident. I doubt the average person would see a race issue in it without having the idea pointed out to them first.

      I guess whatever sell advertising and suscriptions :(

    63. Re:Stepped up? by nleaf · · Score: 1

      ...*then* tell me if you don't mind the black woman beating up the white one.

      Well, if you want to look at it from the perspective of race, the ad with the black woman dominating portrays African Americans as a naturally violent and cruel people. Given that members of oppressed minorities, especially African Americans, are considered to be inherently more likely to be a criminal in many parts of the country--you mention it yourself--should we, as a society, really be perpetuating that image in the mainstream media?

      Its easy to see racism everywhere if you look hard enough. We can argue endlessly over where the line should be drawn (you're buying a white toaster, hmmm?), but I don't think that this ad--I found it more sexually suggestive than anything else--which was ran in another country with drastically different standards, should be it.

    64. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think thats bad... The college I go to in England, a Pakistani student complained about the blackboards being called blackboards... So the college gave in, and now everyone has to refer to the blackboards as "dry-erase" boards...

    65. Re:Stepped up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sony is not some giant evil corperation that'll do anything to sell a fucking console.
      Actually, it is.
    66. Re:Stepped up? by MutantHamster · · Score: 1
      "Oh, and for the "well, they have an ad showing a black woman beating up on a white one", you go through centuries of slavery, then more decades of racism, then continued glares from people who think that you're a thief just because you're black, or have problems registering to vote or get ticketed for "driving while black" and continued segregation of the schools, *then* tell me if you don't mind the black woman beating up the white one. That one was just as bad in my opinion, and just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean that it wasn't."

      Hey, genius, you realize this is the definition of racism, right? The fact that you intrinsically associate being black with racial subjugation is racist in itself, you imbecile. Racial equality will never actually happen as long as morons like you keep creating arbitrary distinctions like this.

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  2. Great! by 9x320 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now pull this one.

    1. Re:Great! by Megane · · Score: 1

      First parsed as "NINJA PLEASE". Ha ha.

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  3. A Question by ggKimmieGal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do people from the Netherlands feel about the advertisement? I'm more interested in their opinion than politically correct America. What was the reaction in the Netherlands?

    1. Re:A Question by PGC · · Score: 1

      First time I have even heard about these ads...

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    2. Re:A Question by F_Scentura · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only people who cared were the American "gaming media", which was itself limited to a bunch of blogs with more ire than common sense.

    3. Re:A Question by dominion · · Score: 1

      How do people from the Netherlands feel about the advertisement? I'm more interested in their opinion than politically correct America. What was the reaction in the Netherlands?

      White people from the Netherlands or Black people from the Netherlands?

    4. Re:A Question by ggKimmieGal · · Score: 1
      White people from the Netherlands or Black people from the Netherlands?

      See, when I said people, I meant any person who happens to live in the Netherlands. So to answer your question, any person of any color or background who lives in the Netherlands. Personally, I didn't think I needed to specify that though.
    5. Re:A Question by AlXtreme · · Score: 1
      Nobody here cared, it didn't even hit the main news. The only reason this ad was pulled was because America had a fit.

      The interesting bit that is often not mentioned is that there were two versions, one where a white model held a black model by the throat, and one where the black model took the white model by the throat. I found both pretty decent (and the models aren't half-bad either), a pity I didn't see them irl (I do live in Amsterdam).

      What I don't get is why Americans get pissed off by something like this, especially if it isn't in their own neighbourhood. You don't have to act like there aren't any differences between people, some people have blond hair and others have brown skin. It's just the way we are. Racial bias is only racial bias when you believe that one 'race' is better than another.

      There's no reason to be hypersensitive about things like this. Live in Amsterdam for a few months and you'll know what a multicultural society really is like. Purist America: Grow up.

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    6. Re:A Question by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ugh, giving up my chance to mod this post down, but to hell with it:

      Over here in the Netherlands, the ads had been running for some time, and there were no visible complaints anywhere. It's such a shame that the over-political correct people have to censor what -I- get to see... from -their- country. WTF ?

      As this post points out, there's an equal one where one black woman is, (less agressively, I will admit that) attacking the white woman on the floor.
      Why does that, conveniently, gets pulled from the reports/complaints?

      Not that we don't have our own problems over here (currently, people from Marocco/Turkey have been bigger targets of racism, probably partly due to 9/11), but the black/white-issue is -much- more apparent in US society, than it ever has been in the Netherlands: So I find it hard to swallow that Sony will budge after getting complaints from another country.

      Even worse about this all is that the definition of 'racism' is getting stretched, and is losing much of its effectiveness. Before I know I will be put on trial for putting a dot with a black marker on a sheet of white paper.

      Politically correctness zealot : "Don't you people see he is depicting how the black people are surrounded - opressed by all the white around it ? If this isn't racism, then what is?!"

    7. Re:A Question by Danse · · Score: 1
      Nobody here cared, it didn't even hit the main news. The only reason this ad was pulled was because America had a fit.

      Actually, only a very small percentage of Americans seemed to notice or care at all about this. Most people I've talked to about it seemed to think that only an idiot would consider the ads to be racist. Too bad that small group was able to make enough noise to get Sony to kill the ads.
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    8. Re:A Question by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      One of the problems with being a global mega corporation in this well connected post-nafta, post-EU, post-APEC world is that it is no longer suffecient to merely worry about the advertising effect in one region. Any piece of advertising, any action whatever, is likely to leak worldwide very quickly. The very things that make the international mega corporation possible is the thing that makes the inadvertant blunders escalate to international levels.

      As many will quickly realize, this makes the advertising of the international mega corportation very banal. Which is only to be expected because in order to market to such a disparate group, many of the products must also be banal. But that is the compromise. In order to support the overhead and ineffeciencies inherent in the mega-corporation, a company like sony has to sell to nearly every person in the developed world. Sony's success depend on not pissing any of us off too much, so we will at least buyt something. And at least some of the products have to be generic enough so we can buy it. This does not mean that risks cannot be taken, but they must be careful.

      Unlike many here, Sony seems to realize this and took the appropriate action. It is unlikely that any harm was intended. They saw an international problem, and solved it. Good for them. As far as those who feel sorry for sony, it is thier choice. If they were local, they would not have to deal with the international community. But they want the money, so they must make the deals, and live with the consequences.

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    9. Re:A Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more interested in their opinion than politically correct America.

      Oh you'll care alright, as soon as we get to your country and impose a democracy on your ass like we're some crazy, unpopular dictators or something.

    10. Re:A Question by tinkerghost · · Score: 1

      Actually, as someone else linked there are 3 billboards. Nice pics too.

    11. Re:A Question by NicolaiBSD · · Score: 1

      There wasn't much of a reaction in the Netherlands. The only thing about it on TV i saw in the news for kids aged 6 to 12, and there the story was: "Americans very cross over dutch ad".
      Mind you, there's not much of a black vs. white race issue in the Netherlands. Here it's more white vs. north african/middle eastern..

    12. Re:A Question by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Even when the people likely to be offended are in a minority?

    13. Re:A Question by ggKimmieGal · · Score: 1
      I don't think you understand me. Unlike you, race does drive my thoughts on the issue. You have failed to answer my question.

      How do people from the Netherlands feel about the advertisement?

      Unless you are a person who currently resides in the Netherlands, your comments have no meaning to the original question. If you are from the Netherlands I encourage you to bring your personal experience with the advertisement to the thread, otherwise, your thoughts and opinions have little meaning to this particular thread. I am sure there are other more appropriate threads, and that your comments will be welcome there.
    14. Re:A Question by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Unlike me, what?

    15. Re:A Question by F_Scentura · · Score: 1

      "What I don't get is why Americans get pissed off by something like this, especially if it isn't in their own neighbourhood."

      We for the very large part don't. A small but vocal minority always seem to be the ones criticizing the "morals" of the world stage, whether it's counter-racist tools that in this case actually justify the advertising dollars spent, or other perceived injustices.

    16. Re:A Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am an American living in the Netherlands. I'm constantly amazed and appalled by the rampant discrimination: the emphasis on differences between autochtonen and allochtonen, extensive segregration of schools and neighborhoods, widespread discrimination in the job market, and the popularity of politicians who build careers on "protecting `real' Dutch people from `the immigrant threat'" (Pim Fortuyn, Rita Verdonk.) The Dutch like to make smug comments about how open and free their society is, but I'm required to carry my passport or an identification card at all times, can be searched by the police (preventief fouilleren) without probable cause, and, if arrested, wouldn't have the right to a jury trial (unknown here) or even to have a lawyer present during my interrogation. It's not all that pleasant a place to be a foreigner, and I happen to be white so I escape the very worst of the discirmination.

  4. Re:Goddammit by Kevin_Peters · · Score: 2, Informative

    The billboard ads, which debuted last week in Holland, depicted a white woman forcefully grabbing the face of a black woman in a "racially charged" manner according the ad campaigns critics. Sony asserted that the ads were designed to show the contrast in colors between the original black PSP and the new Ceramic white PSP with "no other message or purpose."

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  5. Re:Goddammit by (trb001) · · Score: 3, Informative

    Specifically, one of the ads (there were three) was deemed racially insensitive because it showed a white chick in a dominating position over a black chick. Example article with image here. What people haven't talked about so much is that there are two other ads; one with the black chick in a dominant position over the white chick, and one where they're on equal footing.

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  6. Focused on one of three ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Not only was the social outcry from other countries, virtually every article and discussion that decried the campaign focused on the white over black advertisement.

    As was stated by others in the earlier discussion, would there have been a huge outcry if there existed only one advertisement, and it was black over white?

    My opinion? I seriously, seriously doubt it.

    1. Re:Focused on one of three ads by vistic · · Score: 1
      "As was stated by others in the earlier discussion, would there have been a huge outcry if there existed only one advertisement, and it was black over white?

      My opinion? I seriously, seriously doubt it.

      It would if whites had been slaves to blacks... but that's not what happened.
  7. Re:About Time... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 1
    better yet,

    they should trademark...'shooting yourslef in the foot'.

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  8. Deliberate by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is my opinion, I have nothing to back it up but I think Sony released these ads with the intent of causing unrest. As pointed out in prior comments on Slashdot, they got some great coverage with this advertising campaign.

    But the ads rely entirely on imagery. The pictures I saw didn't even have words on them, just two women. One completely white and one completely black in all respects. As also pointed out earlier there were three images with only the white-on-top-of-black one being controversial.

    Why did they pick humans? The humans are supposed to represent PSPs, an inate object? I don't understand why this decision was made to use human beings. Put a black wolf and a white timberwolf in the image. Put a black demon and a white angel in the image. Why would you put two ethnicities of the human race that have obvious baggage attached to them. Even if it doesn't offend anyone you know, there are people alive today that are still suffering from the effects of racial tensions either directly or indirectly.

    Why did they pick women? Again, the women are representing a PSP, you're just inviting people to speculate that women are objects. And to gamers, this might be "ok" or welcomed but when you throw it on a billboard, you're only drawing heat.

    Why is there a struggle between these two subjects? Why would different colored PSPs fight each other? Are they incompatible? Is one better than the other? Again, I don't understand why they made the decision to pit them against each other in the images.

    In retrospect, no matter what their motives or realizations were, I f*cking hate marketing and all forms of it.

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    1. Re:Deliberate by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In retrospect, no matter what their motives or realizations were, I f*cking hate marketing and all forms of it.

      Yeah, same here.

      I guarantee you that despite whatever appology the PR flak gave, their marketing department is throwing a fucking party right now. This ad is nothing but a success for them.

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    2. Re:Deliberate by jitterysquid · · Score: 1

      You just thought about the advertisement long enough to write a half a page of text about it. The advertising and marketing vermin are all high-fiving each other. Face it, they've perfected their "art". All we can do is try to ignore it.

    3. Re:Deliberate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Deliberate by Prog_Burner · · Score: 1
      Why would different colored PSPs fight each other? Are they incompatible? Is one better than the other? Again, I don't understand why they made the decision to pit them against each other in the images.
      Wouldn't it be cool if they did fight each other?

      I must point this out as well, sorry:
      Why did they pick humans? The humans are supposed to represent PSPs, an inate object?
      I'm assuming you mean "inanimate" or possibly "inane", I read it both ways and that's probably why it caught my eye. Unless you really do think that the PSP has the in-born tendencies of an object, in which case, I deeply apologize.
    5. Re:Deliberate by rcamera · · Score: 1
      Put a black demon and a white angel in the image

      i am highly offended by your reference of 'black demons' and 'white angels'. is was clearly meant as a racist remark. i heard of a group in the deep south that ran around wearing pillow covers over their head that thought of demons as black and angels as white. [godwin]i believe there was also a group in germany that thought along the same lines[/godwin]... perhaps the media should cover your racist statement and someone can submit ths story to slashdot.

      don't you just love when people overreact for the sake of overreacting?
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    6. Re:Deliberate by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Yes, instead of overreacting, let's close our eyes as hard as possible, and all racism everywhere will go away!

  9. Re:Goddammit by LocalH · · Score: 5, Informative

    It wasn't racist at all. Here's why:

    Sony had three ads - one where a white woman was holding a black woman by the chin, one wherre the black woman was overpowering the white one, and one that looked more neutral. Of course, everyone screamed "racist", spread the news about the first one, but not the other two. It just took me five minutes to find a site that had the other images. If you go to Google News and search for "sony racist ad" you'll overwhelmingly see only the first image.

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  10. Sony had no reason to pull those ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They targetted the ads for a very specific area, and that area doesn't seem to the be the area that is throwing a hissy fit over it.
    This is just a PR move, through and through, even if the apology is slightly bitter.

  11. Maybe it's because they are yellow? by aliquis · · Score: 1

    The one race to rule them all! ;)

  12. Artwork in ad should match artwork in game by Animats · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's time to take the position that if the ad or the box has better art than the game does, it's false advertising. There's no excuse today for bad in-game art, and games now generate HDTV resolution output, so if the box or ad has better art, it's willfully deceptive.

    Now if that scene of the white girl giving the black girl a hard time had been in the game, the picture would have been fine. It would fit well into, say, the next generation of GTA.

    (This got me thinking. Very few games today allow players to touch. We don't have good wrestling games, or martial arts throws, or football pileups. You can hit other players, but can't shake their hand. Or hand them something. Or cooperate in carrying something. Yet collision detection and motion planning technology is good enough to do that now. Something to work on.)

    1. Re:Artwork in ad should match artwork in game by onlysolution · · Score: 1

      I think you missed something here. The ads in question were ads for the PSP system itself, particularly the introduction of "I wish we were as popular as iPods" white PSP.

  13. Sony pulls out by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    Interesting move. I can see that the advertisement is quite harmless (read: I don't give a shit what color their ads/devices are). I wonder what products are going to cost more to cover this move? What other advertising misfires will we be subjected to? I've already writen off Sony products, though I have been enjoying my PS2 (still!).

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  14. I for one... by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    think people need to lighten up. This is another case of pulling the race card when race was not involved. While Sony should have seen it coming an never released the ad; the reaction of various racial organizations was to over-react. What if the ad had a black woman grabbing the face of a white woman? I bet nobody would be bothered by that right?

    1. Re:I for one... by LocalH · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:I for one... by F_Scentura · · Score: 1

      "What if the ad had a black woman grabbing the face of a white woman? I bet nobody would be bothered by that right?"

      People conveniently ignored the rest of the campaign to run around pointing the "racist" stick.

    3. Re:I for one... by hrrY · · Score: 1

      think people need to lighten up. This is another case of pulling the race card when race was not involved.

      This is another case of pulling the *master* card...

      While Sony should have seen it coming an never released the ad;

      Your right, they shouldn't have...

      the reaction of various racial organizations was to over-react.

      What happens in the netherlands should stay in the netherlands, all the same, I would have LOVED to have seen that ad on 125th st. and Lennox ave...

      What if the ad had a black woman grabbing the face of a white woman? I bet nobody would be bothered by that right?

      I believe they have one of those to, but I find that imagery just as disturbing...did they even HAVE a PSP on any of those ads? do the math.
      oh and you should cancel your master card account before the interest gets to high...
      It almost seems that African americans have to enforce the standards of fair and equal treatment towards colored folk all over the world, to some odd effect(s). Although I think we should observe more before we implement action's, there is something of a social phenomenon over there.
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    4. Re:I for one... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      This is another case of pulling the race card when race was not involved

      The ad campaign specifically drew attention to a struggle between two people, one with fair skin and one with dark skin. How can you claim "race was not involved"?

      The ad may not be RACIST, but it is indisputably RACIAL.

    5. Re:I for one... by Bryansix · · Score: 1
      The ad campaign specifically drew attention to a struggle between two people, one with fair skin and one with dark skin. How can you claim "race was not involved"?


      You cannot judge someone's race by looking at the color of their skin. The ad may have been superficial and have drawn attention to the difference in people's skin colors. However it did not state the race of either of the women being photographed and it did not imply that one was superior to the other.
    6. Re:I for one... by Oniko · · Score: 1

      No, but it did present members of two different races in conflict with each other. What's been found offensive isn't that one or the other is presented as superior, it's the fact that the ad utilizes the concept of racially-motivated aggression in general.

      I can't speak for the mental context of other countries, but at least in the mainstream US, this is considered a pretty damn taboo subject. It's not too far in our past (and some would argue it's still in our present) that we had racial conflict and aggression with often horrific results. Too many bad memories/guilts/fears/what-have-you-emotional-resp onses are resurrected by the ads, IMO.

      Yes, black people and white people are aesthetically different, and I'll give Sony the benefit of the doubt (whoa...) and say that that's probably what they were going for. But illustrating that point by putting them in violent struggle with each other? Bad Idea (TM).

  15. This just in... by Rendo · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nintendo has just released the Rainbow coloured DS Lite. It was heard that they are a multicultural hand-held company and won't make the same mistakes Sony has.

    1. Re:This just in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought is was just a marketing pitch to the homosexual market.

  16. Re:About Time... by Duds · · Score: 1

    Or more likely the other way round.

  17. Re:Goddammit by cyber0ne · · Score: 2, Informative
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  18. Re:Goddammit by MassEnergySpaceTime · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up. This is the first time I have seen the other images in this "series", and when seen together, they tell a different story. I'm interested in seeing what the text is for the other ads.

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  19. OT: /. slashdots /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i spotted this when it had 2 replies. by the time i tried to submit a reply, all those 1:40/41/45/46pm replies hit - mine never did make it ... well, that one, anyway ...

  20. Score One For The Marketing Types by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like the PSP marketing types earned their pay this month.

    Create cheap but 'controversial' add campaign - just a photography session and a couple models - CHECK

    Let the 'storm' brew for a short while - CHECK

    'Pull' the adds in response to the 'outcry' - CHECK

    Sit back and enjoy the massive publicity for your product - CHECK

    Love it! It's like watching a baseball game - walk, bunt runner to second, single scoring the runner - repeat.

    Those DS fans out there screaming about Japan sales better double check the worldwide sales numbers for PSP vs DS...And with the PS3 coming out being able to broadcast stream movies and music to your PSP over wireless and all sorts of other media features come November...

    1. Re:Score One For The Marketing Types by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I bought my DS Lite last weekend I had to look at several stores before I found it in stock (it was their last system). When I asked whether the shipment was that small I got the answer "No! Nintendo has been constantly restocking us. The problem is that the DS Lite has outsold all other systems combined."

      Now, my experience is just an isolated event but from early reports that are comming out it doesn't sound all that isolated.

    2. Re:Score One For The Marketing Types by astrokid · · Score: 1

      >> Those DS fans out there screaming about Japan sales better double check the worldwide sales numbers for PSP vs DS.

      Great Idea! It would be nice to verify that the same phenomena is happening around the world also, just not as dominating as it's doing in Japan. Look at the sales charts for Germany, France and England and take a look at how many DS games are on the list.

      The next time you read a Sony Press Release about how great PSP "sales" are make sure it actually states sales and not shipped

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  21. Re:About Time... by LocalH · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's about time you got your head out of your ass and looked at the other two images.

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  22. Its all viral marketing for junkies by BluePariah · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is pretty clearly a case of viral marketing. Sony's ad agency for this piece was TBWA, who market themselves as 'disruptive idea makers.' As has already been stated many times, why spend cash on a huge campaign when you have the collective dissemination might of the media giants to do it for you. Down to the brass tacks here folks - Do you really think little Billy and Jane give two craps about the socio-political aspects of this ad? All they want is the new Pokemon Digi-farm 2007 Gold Extra Special Photo Pack 12... Even if you make the argument that the PSP is marketed at older gamers, say 21-30, the ad is still effective. Most people here are gamers, and you all know as well as I do that gamers are a decidedly amoral lot - junkies. They might complain about the lack of black people in Warcraft on the forums but they're still logging in every day to loot that next epic. Same philosophy as the 'anti-smoking' ads that the Tobacco Co's put out - the CONTENT of the message means nothing because at the end of the day its still 30 seconds spent talking about smoking.

    1. Re:Its all viral marketing for junkies by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      "All they want is the new Pokemon Digi-farm 2007 Gold Extra Special Photo Pack 12."

      which is why they buy a DS. ; ) . I partly agree with you but they are shooting themselves in the foot with this one... people really are frightened of being called racist (I think that this has caused us to still see nothing but the colour and not the person). If it makes me seem racist would I buy a PSP, even if I did want one? it would make me think twice (well, it wouldn't, but it's part of my point). A lot of people are hyper sensitive on this issue... why not just have an ad with homosexuals in it, especially lesbians, thats shocking, people will keep watching, you don't have to be too shy about it... hardcore lesbian sex seems to be the answer!

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    2. Re:Its all viral marketing for junkies by Tanamo · · Score: 1

      As you say, "why spend cash on a huge campaign". I'm in the UK, I have seen no advertising so far regarding the forthcoming white PSP, yet here I am, now fully informed, looking at Sony adverts on the net of my own volition, and quite possibly preparing to inform my friends about them in the pub this evening. Once the discussion is over regarding whether the adverts were ill-conceived, or whether it's a case of overly PC Americans busybodies, the fact will remain; we know that a white PSP will be along soon.

      If that's not succesful marketing, I don't know what is.

  23. Malice & Stupidity by Cleon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a firm believer in the idea, "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

    I deal with my company's marketing department often; they inevitably display all the forethought and insight of a mentally challenged rutabaga. The chances of this being a consciously racist ad are virtually zero.

    Furthermore, it's not like the PSP is doing poorly in the sales department; they really don't need to generate this kind of controversy just to get their name in the media. The planned prices for PS3 is doing that just fine.

    At the end of the day, this just strikes me as another attack of the stupids.

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    1. Re:Malice & Stupidity by oahazmatt · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that this was most likely just something that no one had considered might be seen as offensive.

      For example, a co-worker of mine designed an ad for a massage therapist. The ad used artwork from our purchased library of a woman, face down on a table, getting a shoulder rubbed by a very strong hand.

      In order to make room for new copy, the picture was cropped. The customer decided to fade out the portion that had the head and some miscellaneous background. The ad was approved, it ran, and no one saw a problem with it. No employees, that is.

      A customer, a few, very irate customers, called and questioned our integrity. After sorting through accusations, we realized what the cropped photo looked like. Instead of looking like a women getting a massage, it looked like a man doing a bad bad thing with a young girl.

      And why did no employees notice this? Because everyone who had seen the ad had also seen it beforehand. We knew what the artwork was.

      If Sony had seen the evolution of the campaign, been in discussion with it during the beginning, it is quite possible those involved simply did not perceive it the same way a random passer-by might. What they saw as an elegant expression of arrival and two females expressing the sleek and smooth contours of the device, someone else saw as an expression of racism. That's it.

      However, Sony did apparently use an agency that loves "disruptive imagery", so who knows if it was an oversight on the agency's part at all.

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    2. Re:Malice & Stupidity by vertinox · · Score: 1

      I'm a firm believer in the idea, "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

      I dunno... I've always felt that sometimes outright malice is forgiven for pretending to be stupid.

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    3. Re:Malice & Stupidity by fair_n_hite_451 · · Score: 1

      And their "apology" was shows that Sony thinks so as well. They might as well have said "We're sorry you're all so stupid" ... they just covered in up in obscure words.

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  24. Some day maybe by 27,000 · · Score: 0

    humankind will be able to look at that advertisement and see 'new white PSP coming soon'. Everyone who complained the image was racist, oops - you're accidentally racist. Pointing and screaming at these things extends the institution's life. Ad agencies and visual artists will be doubly careful to use the right races in the right way as long as this incident is in the public mind, which is discrimantory itself. At this rate combining ethnicities will be risky for decades to come - as long as someone is willing to shout that, maybe, someone else could be offended or someone else might harm another race if they see this. In short: Sony's ads could potentially be considered racist, depending on the viewer's background and mindset. Crying about what that white person is doing to that black person is definitely racist. We aren't working very hard to truly 'erase racism' (as if whining about consumer ads was the place to start).

    Of course Sony, famously out of toes left to shoot, could have exercised more discretion.

    Humor is: white Americans in America complaining about Dutch advertisements featuring black people in the Netherlands. Police the world, much?

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  25. About Sex... by sesshomaru · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Seriously, the ads were about sex, not violence. I know not everyone would find the models in the ads attractive, but they were supposed to be. The Ads were supposed to be titillating, not racially charged. Seriously, if you look at other, similar Ads (i.e. models posing and "doing stuff"), you'll see the same thing.

    Once, a few years ago, they had some ad with a really attractive woman shaving her face with some new razor, saying, "ooh, is this the sensitive part... poor baby." Obviously, the purpose of the ad wasn't the shaving (or they would have some gruff, bearded man shaving).

    So, all the controversy? It was about people totally not getting the ads.

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    1. Re:About Sex... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Once, a few years ago, they had some ad with a really attractive woman shaving her face with some new razor, saying, "ooh, is this the sensitive part... poor baby."

      That's hilarious. Well, I read that ad as a knock at men, but it is sort of about shaving - just not about shaving some guys beard. The puritanical american would be appalled at such an ad (though...if they get the joke, they're not that innocent).

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    2. Re:About Sex... by sesshomaru · · Score: 1
      The important thing about the ad is that I remember it, and the hot girl in the ad. Unfortunately for the ad men, I forgot the name of the razor (Gillette, probably) so in that respect the ad was a failure.

      The old Burma Shave ads are the best of course... nobody ever forgets Burma Shave after reading a few of those.

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  26. Re:here comes the apologists... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Art does not exist without context."

    It's a shame you're too unbelievably retarded to understand the context of this entire campaign.

  27. most stupid place to see racism yet by pembo13 · · Score: 1

    The only possibly racist thign about those ads was that the woman had an afro, then again maybe afros are popualr among black european women.

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    1. Re:most stupid place to see racism yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe you said that. The only way a black person can be depicted in an add is if they have artificially modified their hair to appear more 'White'?

  28. Re:Goddammit by dominion · · Score: 1


    The fact of the matter is that we can argue until we're blue in the face about whether these ads were "racist" or not.

    But the fact that they were racially problematic is pretty much indisputable. As the above comment said, why would they use a black person and a white person? Why would they be fighting? Are they really so naive as to not recognize that, given the history of racism, colonialism, genocide, fascism, etc. that have preceded our current worldwide race relations, that presenting an ad which simulates violence between a black person and a white person might, I don't know, be kind of a bad idea?

  29. Re:About Time... by timster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the other two images aren't always displayed alongside the questionable one, the fact of their existence is irrelevant. It may prove that the people at Sony aren't racists, but it doesn't prove that they aren't idiots.

    You can go on as long as you want about hypersensitivity and whether there was intent or blah blah blah, but the story here was never that Sony had joined the white supremacist movement. The story all along is that Sony had done something stupid. The offense taken by some people is perhaps pointless, but there wasn't any need for Sony to stir up that offense in the first place.

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  30. Re:About Violent Sex, actually... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But otherwise, yeah, you're right. Taken -out- of the context of the ads, and without the unfortunate "White is coming" tagline, they actually make for a pretty good art series that doesn't look racist, actually the opposite. I don't know if the artist intended them to be ordered as such, but if you start with the one with them squaring off and snarling at each other, followed by the white woman grabbing the other woman's face in what's both an aggressive and intimite gesture, followed by the white woman more supine with the black woman over her. Looks like two people who perhaps don't like each other or are just aggressive like that but are attracted to each other succumbing to their passions.

    Now obviously this doesn't eliminate the fact that race is an element of these pictures, and the racial tension that is implied. But of course a piece of art that involves racial tension is not necessarily racist. Just as the women's anger and tension seems to be leading up to a sensual release, so too are the racial tensions that the viewer is going to be seeing and feeling. Very provacative.

    Sadly, it is in the context of an ad, and with the unfortunate tagline, and really was just a bad idea on Sony's part. Er, other than it being a ridiculously successful advertisement, of course.

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  31. Re:Goddammit by Jakhel · · Score: 1

    And yet the other 2 images were not slapped on 30 foot billboards with the slogan "white is coming". I would rather have seen the 2nd image (the 2 facing off on equal grounds) than the first or last. It just makes more sense than having 2 women assaulting each other. I doubt these guys are racist, but they did make a pretty big boneheaded mistake.

    P.S. why did they feel the need to personify the PSP with people in the first place? There are literally thousands of other ways to show the contrast of these 2 colors than using people. A good idea would have been to use an eclipse.

  32. Minced words by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

    From Rick Callendar, president of the San Jose NAACP.. "Their attempt to contrast colors clearly created controversy and sparked painful feelings in the global community."

    My socks never match each other. Should I steer clear of this guy?

    1. Re:Minced words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If one sock is white and the other black, perhaps.

  33. The right thing for Sony to do... by macdaddy · · Score: 1

    ...would have been to tell the people bitching and moaning to grow up or shut the hell up. Seriously Sony needs to grow a backbone.

  34. Re:Goddammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It wasn't racist at all. Here's why:"

    Here's a much simpler reason:
    You can't be unintentionally racist.
    You can unintentionally offend people.
    There is a difference.
    Offense does not redefine motive.

  35. Re:Goddammit by joe+155 · · Score: 1

    I agree with you and the poster who you mention, however I would go further - showing violence between two people is always stupid - why have people fight at all, why make such a big deal of the skin colour of the people in the ad? why not just let the product speak for itself... I know people were saying about "oh, but it's become viral"... this has made me not like them one bit more (after the rootkit they are already at the lowest they can get in my view)

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  36. Racial tensions vs racism by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, but the fact that they are of different races means it's insensitive. You wouldn't have a problem with the ad if it were two persons of the same race and gender.

    Um, yes, obviously. Or two races who had never had any kind of conflict, say Hawaiians and Arabs. That's called "context" and it's important. These ads don't exist in a vacuum. They exist in our world in which one race dominating, slaying, and enslaving another has been one of the continual themes of history. The ad itself pairs two races who have had such a history even up to today. That's significant. That can't be ignored.

    This hypersensitivity is actually serving to perpetuate racist views. It is forcing people to consider race as an issue when people really shouldn't have to.

    Race is an issue in many places in the world, and pretending otherwise is not going to make it go away. Racism and racial tensions exist in many parts of the world, and black vs white racial tension and racism exist here in the United States. Anyone who says it isn't is in denial or living somewhere where they don't have to deal with it.

    Race is an issue in these ads. This is just undeniable. Racial tension is also an issue. Sony can talk about "color" in the abstract sense of their PSPs as much as they want. These women aren't just white and black, they're European and African. Going at each other. Racial tension? Yes.

    But is it racism? I'd certainly say not. If you look at the whole series, it actually looks very passionate. They may be aggressive and combative, but they practically end up on top of each other. As someone else pointed out, the ad is basically about sex. Aggressive sex, but that doesn't make it hateful. Do you think interracial lovers sometimes feed off the racial tension between them? Certainly. In that sense the series is almost cathartic. The artist was using the implied tension towards their goal.

    So is hypersensitivity the problem here? Yeah, probably. It's a bit much to call the ads 'racist', though with the "White is coming" tagline and news articles only showing the white-gripping-black billboard, I can see how people would get the wrong impression. Remember though that like most kinds of hypesensitivity this arose from "over-stimulation" from actual racism and racial violence.

    Is hypersensitivity perpetuating racism? Well, somewhat perhaps. I had an aquaintence once get mad at me for making reference to the fact that she's black. That act of sensitivity certainly made me more self-conscious of race, but we got along fine after that. I've had another aquantence tell me that he hated having black people around and thought we should deport them back to Africa. Dropped him like a bad habit, of course, but what about when he has kids? My point is -- to whatever extent hypersensitivity perpetuates racism, actual racism perpetuates racism much, much more.

    So I suppose I'm going to have to come out in the middle on this issue. No, they aren't racist and the reactions were overblown. Yes, race is an issue in the ads and pretending otherwise is just avoidance or ignorance or whatever. In any event I don't feel sorry for Sony because appology or no they're getting exactly what they wanted from the ad.

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    1. Re:Racial tensions vs racism by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1
      That's called "context" and it's important. These ads don't exist in a vacuum. They exist in our world in which one race dominating, slaying, and enslaving another has been one of the continual themes of history. The ad itself pairs two races who have had such a history even up to today. That's significant. That can't be ignored.

      They also existed in the Netherlands, not the US. We had to drag it out of it's original context and consider it in our own, a context for which it was never intended. Our reaction and subsequent demands to pull these ads makes less sense than the demands of some Muslims that a Danish newspaper should be punished for printing those Mohammed cartoons.

      I'm not trying to deny that racism exists. You seem to have a decent attitude about the whole race issue, ad yet you automatically identified the black woman as African instead of just as European, like the white woman. And I agree, actual racism perpetuates racism more than hypersensitivity about race. And RE: interracial couples: I'll not only agree, but go one further and give an example - a good friend of mine, who's a white male Republican with political aspirations and about as much of a stereotypical caucasian as you can get, and is married to a black woman, staunchly Democratic and daughter of a Southern Baptist minister. You bet that tension (in fact, all sorts of tensions from their myriad differences) enhances their marriage. I myself live in a major city in the American Midwest - I work near downtown, and a trip 15 minutes from my home can take me into some very rural areas. I get to see racial issues on a very regular basis, and man do they ever exist.

      Thing is, though, that if we don't acknowledge that yes, occasionally people of different races and/or ethnicities can occasionally interact without race being an issue, then we're all doomed. And I'm not talking just about nice and happy, warm and fuzzy interaction - I'm looking forward to a time when a black person and a white person can truly hate each other with every fiber of their body, and not have race be the slightest cause of it. Yeah, maybe it's a little way off, but it's closer than you might think.

      I guess my point is that the only reason that race is an issue in these ads is because some people took it entirely out of context and made it an issue. Let's say someone took some picture of me taken on some vacation, just relaxing or doing something else harmless, cropped my head out of that picture, and then pasted it onto the body of some serial killer eating a baby. Sony apologising for how Americans misinterpreted this ad would be like me apologising for being a serial killer and eating babies because of someone else's photo editing skills.

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    2. Re:Racial tensions vs racism by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      They also existed in the Netherlands, not the US. We had to drag it out of it's original context and consider it in our own, a context for which it was never intended. Our reaction and subsequent demands to pull these ads makes less sense than the demands of some Muslims that a Danish newspaper should be punished for printing those Mohammed cartoons.

      That's a good point. I honestly don't know nearly enough about the Netherlands to understand how the race issue would be viewed there, but clearly different enough that it isn't the hot-button issue it is here.

      I'm not trying to deny that racism exists.

      I see that now. I replied to you because I do see a lot of "race is no issue at all" posts in this topic, but you seemed like the most reasonable proponent.

      You seem to have a decent attitude about the whole race issue, ad yet you automatically identified the black woman as African instead of just as European, like the white woman.

      I was referring to ancestry (and thus the history of relevent racial conflicts), not nationality, so yes I identified the curly-haired black woman as African. I suppose the white woman could be from north Asia as well, but you get my drift.

      I myself live in a major city in the American Midwest - I work near downtown, and a trip 15 minutes from my home can take me into some very rural areas. I get to see racial issues on a very regular basis, and man do they ever exist.

      I hear ya. It always bothers me when I hear someone -- always white and sheltered -- say racism doesn't exist when what they mean is they never see people of other races and thus never have to confront the issue. Thus in a way this topic is one I myself am 'hypersensitive' about. BTW, perchance you're talking about Chicago? I can't imagine anyone living in or near that town who isn't aware of these things.

      I'm looking forward to a time when a black person and a white person can truly hate each other with every fiber of their body, and not have race be the slightest cause of it. Yeah, maybe it's a little way off, but it's closer than you might think.

      *snif* That's such a touching take on Dr. King's dream. Heh. But yeah, I myself who grew up in a black neighborhood with mostly black friends have hated and been hated without race being the cause, though even still our relative races innevitably came up. That's the real tragedy, and will probably take longer to go away.

      I guess my point is that the only reason that race is an issue in these ads is because some people took it entirely out of context and made it an issue.

      I see your point and agree, so this is a nit, but racism is an issue because it was taken out of context; I really can't imagine that race was not intended to be an issue (or theme or whatever un-charged word you prefer) in the piece by the artist.

      I agree Sony appologizing for this was silly, just like Nike appologizing for showing a woman outrunning (humiliatingly) a would-be attacker was silly. This whole thing should never have come up... though it does serve as a decent non-threatening springboard for discussions about race issues. That's why hypersensitivity doesn't bother me much -- the side of racial tension that makes you roll your eyes is vastly preferable to the one that involves oppression and violence.

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    3. Re:Racial tensions vs racism by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1
      Let's try a slightly different format for this reply...

      That's a good point. I honestly don't know nearly enough about the Netherlands to understand how the race issue would be viewed there, but clearly different enough that it isn't the hot-button issue it is here.

      From what I understand, its much less of an issue there. Must have something to do with the lack of "years of slavery" thing. I did a quick search, and couldn't find an instance of the locals complaining about the ad... just us.

      I was referring to ancestry (and thus the history of relevent racial conflicts), not nationality, so yes I identified the curly-haired black woman as African. I suppose the white woman could be from north Asia as well, but you get my drift.

      I honestly wasn't trying to infer you were racist, but just that we all are fairly set in how we view things. Anyone black, we automatically set the label of "African" on. Similarly, anyone with almond shaped eyes we label as "Asian". It is only the whites that we refer to by their nationality (or possibly by the more general "European"), even though we have no idea who's lived where for how long.

      A big part of my ranting is out of frustration. I can't help but feel that many of the practices we've adopted to bring a bit more racial equality have served their purpose and are now just holding us back. I'm not talking about job quotas or the like, but rather just the fact that one of the first things we do when presented with a minority is identify them as such so that we can follow certain special rules that apply only when dealing with them. I can't help but feel we need to start moving beyond that. I know it's going to be very tricky, but one of the first things we need to do is not act stupid when it comes to some basic cases where itis obvious that race isn't an issue. Now, this appears to me to be one of those cases... however, I recognize that not everyone feels the same. So be it.

      BTW, perchance you're talking about Chicago?

      Nope... Kansas City. Have friends and family in Chicago, though, and spent some time around there. It's very similar... except without such a large Greek or Italian community. Asian community is proportionally similar, but without any concentration in any one place to form a Chinatow. And I think there's a greater proportion of Mexicans (I'm not saying Hispanic only because of all the ones I've had chance to talk to, which is actually quite a few, that's been the place of origin). At one point, this city was subject to some terrible "white flight", contributing to what might be the worst case of urban sprawl this side of LA. It has recently been turning around, though.. some good downtown redevelopment, with some areas that were blighted a decade ago now becoming major draws.

      *snif* That's such a touching take on Dr. King's dream. Heh. But yeah, I myself who grew up in a black neighborhood with mostly black friends have hated and been hated without race being the cause, though even still our relative races innevitably came up. That's the real tragedy, and will probably take longer to go away.

      Yeah, unfortunately when it comes to throwing around insults to piss off your adversary, the racial slurs are just such an easy arsenal to dip into. Interesting story, back in my college days hanging out in the dorms with those late night "deep and philosophical" conversations, myself (yes, I am white) and a black man had a discussion covering a lot of these same topics. Afterwards, it was amusing watching the reactions of those around us the couple times we passed eachother in the hall, when he would call me "nigger" and I'd call him "cracker". I view that as much of a Discordian action than a race relations one, though.

      I see your point and agree, so this is a nit, but racism is an issue because it was taken out of context; I really c

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  37. Re:About Time... by ArtDent · · Score: 0, Troll

    All three are offensive. There are many relevant ways they could have advertised the availability of a new colour. This "race war" campaign was totally uncalled for.

  38. Re:About Time... by LocalH · · Score: 1

    And yet more of the mindset that people have a right not to be offended. That in itself offends me, so I demand retribution.

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  39. Lame ad, good riddance by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 1

    The ad wasn't intentionally racist, but Sony that that correlating PSP colors with skin color (race) was clever, when it's not; it's just lame.

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  40. Re:Goddammit by tinkerghost · · Score: 1

    Um from the comments I saw, yes, all 3 were on billboards. Not right next to each other, but all were displayed at the same time IIRC.

  41. YAAAWWWNNN... by Khyber · · Score: 1

    There's a hater for everything. Everything bothers SOMEONE. Guess Sony's not so big and bad when people start crying and pulling out the race card. FFS the damned thing was ART. I've seen far worse topics get PRAISE. :(

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    1. Re:YAAAWWWNNN... by Skudd · · Score: 1

      Your response bothers me. :P

    2. Re:YAAAWWWNNN... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Point Proven, thank you. :)

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  42. They should have just done some photoshop work... by elessar12 · · Score: 0

    I bet if they were naked the ad wouldn't look racist, just sexy! Sony needs to take some cues from Victoria's Secret ads. yum!

  43. Re:Goddammit by LocalH · · Score: 1

    If they'd used two white people, one in black clothing, then you'd have people bitching because the ads aren't "diverse" enough.

    I think we just need to ban all use of the colors white or black for any purpose other than referring to race. Problem solved, right?

    Why would they use a black person and a white person? Um, maybe because they were advertising the new white PSP, which will be "competing" against the older black PSP? What other possible similar situation could you think up that would not be worse than this one?

    Fucking oversensitive bastards.

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  44. I've got something even more offensive. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    If you think that squirrel was offensive, then you're nothing but a noob.

  45. Re:About Time... by timster · · Score: 1

    Your failure to understand my comment offends me ;)

    If one sells Corn Flakes, for instance, one does not cover the box with caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed. Not because it's illegal, or because it's wrong, but because it's pointless. You know that you'll offend people, so even if you don't consider it a legit offense, you can't really expect it to improve sales.

    In this particular issue, those defending Sony almost seem to be saying that Sony had an obligation to not consider the fact that people would be offended. I believe that's just as ridiculous as the notion that people have a right to not be offended, though both are straw men.

    I'm the first to defend someone who is using art to make a point and happens to offend some people; that's part of the debate in our society. But Sony's ad isn't a part of that; they are just trying to sell a handheld game console.

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  46. Re:Goddammit by FhnuZoag · · Score: 1

    Enh. That doesn't exactly follow. Racists typically would in fact emphasise the black dominating the white image - it fits into their idea of the minorities oppressing the majority white population. All three of the images promote the 'race war' idea that is pretty much emblematic of racists, as well as coincidentally scoring the cat-fight angle vs feminists.

    Nor is it true that there is no racism issue in Holland - there is certainly a strong religion one, and it flows from the Theo van Gogh case and so on, and this sort of thing tends to flow into racism as well.

    In the end, can anyone truly suggest that the reaction to the ads wasn't exactly what was intended?

  47. Re:Goddammit by Goaway · · Score: 1

    You can't be unintentionally racist.

    Wow. This statement is mind-bendingly igorant.

    Can you even explain what the difference is between "intentional" and "unintentional" racism?

  48. Re:here comes the apologists... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello, Apologist!

  49. Re:Goddammit by thatoneguy_jm · · Score: 1
    So, because they had three different ads, that makes it "not racist"? Alright. Here's an idea - A company releases an ad campaign with three different images. In one, a member of the Ku Klux Klan is shoving down a black. In another, a black is shoving down a member of the Ku Klux Klan. And, in the third, it shows the two of them hugging. An extreme (and highly imperfect) example, perhaps, but do the latter two make the first one "not racist?" Are you arguing that it's possible to be "equal opportunity" racist?

    How, exactly, does that reasoning work?

  50. Re:Goddammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Shut the fuck up, cracker.

  51. It's the rules. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because that photo violated the rules that whites are supposed to live by in the US.

    Please note that I understand why these rules are in US society and why they must exist. Anyone who witnessed the oppression blacks experienced before the civil rights movement would understand that this is a necessary penance whites must endure so as to prevent any reoccurance of those troubled and frankly evil times.

    But there seems to be many folks accross the pond that don't understand why the furor, why the angst? For those folks, I'll list a few of them. I'm not being funny, I'm not trying to incite a flame war though I'm sure it will happen. I'm not saying anything should change. I'm just listing the rules that we live by. The rules so deeply ingrained in some that is has become their only way of thinking.

    Learn these rules well because I'm fully expecting that Europeans will soon have the same rules applied to them, not for blacks but rather for Muslims. This seems to be already happening in Sweden and possibly France.

    Black pride - okay
    White pride - racist

    Scholarships only for blacks - okay
    Scholarships only for whites - racist

    TV show only has blacks - okay
    TV show only has whites - racist

    School only for blacks - okay
    School only for whites - racist

    Job openings only for blacks - okay
    Job openings only for whites - racist

    Black family doesn't want white son-in-law - funny movie
    White family doesn't want black son-in-law - racist movie

    Black comedian in white face - funny
    White comedian in black face - racist

    Besides these unspoken rules we live by, we are also supposed to avoid mentioning any negative association between blacks and crime, blacks and welfare, or blacks and rioting.

    It keeps going from there but you get the point.

    Any white person violating one of these rules is automatically a racist. Actually just mentioning them makes you a racist. Thats why race relations in the US will never improve, we simply can't talk about this without somebody yelling "Racist!". We just have to accept it with our mouths shut or suffer social stigma.

    Blacks are free to do so, but are treated like lepers afterwards by their own community.

    Inaction against someone violating these rules also labels you as a racist. Thats why politicians in the US are so vocal over what's happening in a completely different country. It's not that they're affected or offended. As political entities they have no choice. It's just them living by the rules.

    1. Re:It's the rules. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racist.

    2. Re:It's the rules. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black pride - okay
      White pride - racist

      Scholarships only for blacks - okay
      Scholarships only for whites - racist

      TV show only has blacks - okay
      TV show only has whites - racist


      I'm from europe, and to me, those rules are very racist. Racism is treating people different depending on race (skin color), not just treating black people badly. And those rules are absolutely treating
      people different.

      I've seen the ads, and top me, they show two women fighting. Nothing racist about that. Should it be changed to be two white women? Or two black women? Separate, like the separate parts of a city in South Africa? Now, *that* I would consider racist.

      Not simply making an add with two white (or black) women, but making an add with two white (or black) women *because* you can't make an ad with a white and a black woman.

    3. Re:It's the rules. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes these rules are racist. But like I said, it's a sortof penance for what happened prior to the civil rights movement. Europe doesn't seem to have a past like the US where the blacks were put down, so there is no backlash.

      What Sony should have done was put two hot women of the same race but one in white leather and the other in black leather. But who ever designed and approved the Ad campaign wasn't racist enough to understand that the US-ians would go balistic.

  52. Re:Goddammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol darkies

  53. Re:Goddammit by OppressiveGiant · · Score: 1

    Can you even explain what the difference is between "intentional" and "unintentional" racism? Have you seen all three of the adds? When I saw the adds I saw two people fighting. It might have just as well been two white people or two black people, or two a red and a blue person. With the way that the white person was very white and the way the black person was very black, it was very surreal. It was not realistic at all. Anybody offended by it was attaching their own meaning to it which is entirely possible, and people can't help it. But there are people like me who were brought up being blind to race. Seeing people as people. Personifying the fight of the black psp vs the white psp isn't inherently racist unless you bring your own baggage along. The only thing I got out of it was "Cool another sony product I'm not going to buy."

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  54. Re:About Violent Sex, actually... by sesshomaru · · Score: 1
    Is there any other kind? I mean, my girlfriend (who appropos of nothing is black) is quite the biter. I actually went "Ow!" the other night... she left a mark...

    Oh well, maybe I've been deprived of soft, gentle sex... but I'm having fun anyway.

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    "MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
  55. Myanmar-Shave by tepples · · Score: 1
    The old Burma Shave ads are the best of course

    Isn't it "Myanmar-Shave" now?

  56. Re:Goddammit by Rakarra · · Score: 1
    So, because they had three different ads, that makes it "not racist"? Alright. Here's an idea - A company releases an ad campaign with three different images. In one, a member of the Ku Klux Klan is shoving down a black.

    Aha. So white women are by default racist?

  57. Re:Goddammit by Goaway · · Score: 1

    Yes, I have seen all three "adds". And you didn't come anywhere near addressing the issue I raised in my original post, you just repeated the childish apologist line that pretty much just sums up as "if I close my eyes really hard, all racism will go away!"

  58. Re:Goddammit by OppressiveGiant · · Score: 1

    There is a difference between being insensitive and racism. There is a difference between flatout defaming a racial or ethnic group and doing something that irritates people. People are going to bring their own interpretation when viewing things. How much of the uproar is from creator and how much is from the viewer? Where do you draw the line?

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    i could not think of anything clever.