Have to satisfy the poor and destitute rednecks that have no intelligence or financial ability to be able to purchase and DVD player or use one for that matter.
Probably going to get Trolled for this, but, Cest La Vie.
The first statement I think will fall victim to the userbase who desires one thing (most of them push for orignal versions of BeOS Software vs the developers now that want to carry the OS into the current state of IT world).
The Second statement would seem true if the developers are tride and true to their aims. Of course its more likely , specially after the news about Daniel Robbins, that someone may find something else more attractive and drop their own project in favor of something else. Microsoft wont try to take you over, itll just make itself look more attractive than what your doing now, and offer you more money.
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Will be apps.
There is a limited application set, the development of which is rather difficult in nature. If you read their forums, many of the users that have supported Zeta during its slow development binter and banter back and forth about what they want, and what they are getting.
Linux users get the same way, perhaps not as vehemont as Zeta followers do, but they do.
The problem is going to be finding developers that are willing to develop in that envoirnment. I believe that C++ is the only language for which you can use to develop in Zeta. The lack of language variety is going to make getting developers difficult, and a rather centric group of developers will build the OS, giving it a rathe r lop-sided or narrow build.
Absolutist Statements like that are really going to get people to respect you. Not that I respect you, but that probably doesnt matter to a blowhard as yourself. Im just some geek that little if anyone cares about.
I seem to remember that Gates has done that more than once -- (making broad statements of what he believed to be fact, that were yet again proven wrong IN EXCESS).
and I quoth --
"People everywhere love Windows."
"There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed."
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
So, I clearly object to your statements of the absolute. Do you know for certain yourself that this is the case, have you researched it , tride and true? I doubt that quite seriously.
So until your ready to provide ACTUAL proof for your statments of absolute fact that indeed no OS compares to Windows XP ever in the manner of device driver recognition, id be keepin my opinions to myself.
I can come out of my mom's basement (Been living there since I got out of college in '89) , be totally socially inept, and yet.....find one hecuva attractive woman to have whatever gratuitous forms of physical pleasure I want.
Ill credit you on a third of that statement, but not even that really, because all of those games in one form or another succeeded on a PC long before they ever did on a console.
Final Fantasy is about the only saving grace of consoles for RPGs. Those are clearly unique, as there were only a few of those, 7 and up, that were released on PC. (Unless of course you count emulation, in which case then you could play all of them).
Im looking for something Unique to Consoles that will make me want to buy one.
Farkian Asinine comments like that are irritating.
I aggree wholeheartedly with that statement. No console ive seen or heard of has reproduced an EQ or GuildWars, Diablo 2, Dragonshard, NWN, or other such related game. I doubt seriously that it will happen.
At least hes not like Johnny Depp, I have to give FauxPas credit there. Positive motivating change in his mind rather than moving to France and feeling he's of a mind that America just about sucks right now.
I have to aggree. Knoppix and its derivations tend to be rife with installation problems. I honestly think Mepis is the only Knoppix Clone that comes close to Ubuntu, and many Ubuntu users that I know that dont use Kubuntu, use Mepis instead.
Alternately , Knoppix depends largely on debian's repositories. Id take Ubuntu over that in a heartbeat, Canaonical and Ubuntu support their own packages specifically compiled for Ubuntu itself. While the lag in packages could be annoying to some, it doesnt bother me a whole lot.
Really there are a few you left out, as minor as they might be.
Linare, Xandros, and Linspire are the Debian reduxes that are fighting over the consumer.
Linare is a pretty sorrowful redux of Fedora, but Id almost buy one of their laptops just to install Uby on it.
Xandros is probably the most attractive looking , for a windows user , debian redux , but its pricing and its desire to get into the corporate market with its Pro Desktop and XDMS make it too finely spread. That coupled with its own repository which comes at a cost ( you can use the debian unsupported rep if you want, but unlike Ubuntu and even Debian istelf, Xandys repository doesnt have near what Ubuntu/Debian Repository has in it.)
Mandrivel (Mandrake/Mandriva) as well, Though most of its market has gone to South America because of its acquisition of Conectiva.
Ubuntu , is the new child yes, but its ability to draw away Debian users and developers to its fold, makes it somewhat attractive.
Red Hat is the only real player when it comes to Linux in corporate America.
Dont let Jack Messman hear you say that. Novell has come up in the ranks, specially after their purchase of Suse. That coupled with interoperability of previous Novell Arch systems, and Novell's targeting of NT4 users, I suspect that Novell is catching up to Szulik and RH on the corporate level.
Experimental drugs mebbe one day Ill wake up finding that when I get real angry my skin turns green, muscle mass will increase 50 fold, and I become relatively invulnerable.
Is Joe and Vi that scary to you? Or for that matter, Nano or Pico?
As far as access goes, FTP, SSH, whatever. There are numerous was to get data from point a to point b from the command line that are much faster to me , than using the GUI.
CLI Whimp.
Its like people that need an IDE to develop code. You want to write code, open a vi session.
Goes back to nessecity. What do you as a person need? I can easily compare Xfce to Kde in my own right, and say yep, its faster and more stable. It DOES WHAT I NEED it to do. You may say otherwise , and again as previously stated by me, that is your right. Xfce doesnt do what you want it to do for you, thats fine. But you cannot discredit a DE based on its minimalist stature. KDE and Gnome applications run fine in Xfce for me, and properly configured, it too can be as complete and featurefull as KDE or Gnome can be. Goes back again to nessecity , what do you need to have to make your desktop viable? Are you afraid to configure things on your own? Do you want KDE to supply you with an out of the box solution, that requires you to configure things minimally , if for no other reason than look and feel? For Joe User this might be viable. But if your a seasoned linux user , and you still are too lazy to set things up properly, using the atrophical statement of "KDE does it all for me, why should I have to?" , then thats your loss. Laziness over Desire, in this case.
Nah...Trolls make unintelligilbe comments. By saying rather bloated Im merely suggesting it might be possible. Clearly there are numerous individuals that think that this is the case. Most of them , like me , are minimalist users, you have to admit that xfce , windowmaker, and blackbox run circles faster than KDE and even Gnome really. I have used KDE in the past, and I dont really have an issue with it, though by default I would never use it, because, I do feel its too slow, based on its performance against Windowmaker or Xfce, which I feel is clearly faster and less involved.
Of course though, when your talking about the Battle of the DE's, its always half a dozen of one and 6 on the other side. Its just a shared general opinion by some , most of them being Gnome Users, that KDE is bloated.
File manager - are you talking about Konquerer.....lol, perhaps. I consider opening up a term windows and using proper commands the concept of file management, maybe you dont because a GUI is so utterly nessecary for you to function in that your needs are met. I think Konqueror's biggest gripe is its almost IE-esque integration into KDE for file management, web-browsing, and setting management is unessecary. Just as the Control Center in KDE is overly reduntant to this fact.
Of course for me, you want to configure apache, samba, squid, X11, sane, cups, dhcp, or other such settings.....open an xterm window , find the conf file, and edit. Quit depending on your GUI envoirnment to do what your mind should be able to do for yourself, troll boy.
The number of included applications would simplify matters and reduce bloat. The Number of Dependencies nessecary to install KDE on a system is another form of this "bloat", along with the processes that need to run for KDE to run. Standard Ubuntu build and install of KDE takes 323megs of data. Now of course this is ALL OF KDE (or at least most of it as far as I can tell) In short, KDE needs to use a Keep it Simple principle to a greater degree. They need to simplify. In this giving Joe User too many options, too many programs and providing too much. Ergo KDE is bloated quite a bit. Ive dealth with more than a few Joe User's who get confused with KDE. Yes its windows like, but in the words of a common user "Its Too Busy looking". Too much going on , too much there.
Perhaps Im a minimalist, however, I have no problem running Gnome (Even though there are those who assume Gnome itself is bloated , and thats their right to think so) on my 500mhz 128meg system, and of course XFCE runs lightining fast on that box, ergo XFCE is my default. What I think the developers of KDE should do is run there development on New and Older hardware at the same time. Thus creating -- hopefully -- a window manager that is both stable and featureful, but also is stable and works well in a small footprint.
Sounds more like End user idiocy on your part, nor your willingness to learn something other than what your used to or is outside of your comfort-zone. Clearly the existence of the first , and the lack of such willingness to learn on your part , personify you as the very type of person to which I speak.
Sit down and learn something, you are human after all, is not learning a constant process that never stops?
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that my Monthly "attitiude" adjustment can go to a quad weekly attitude adjustment with little fear of reprocushion.
Course, could I really afford it, probably not.
Have to satisfy the poor and destitute rednecks that have no intelligence or financial ability to be able to purchase and DVD player or use one for that matter.
Probably going to get Trolled for this, but, Cest La Vie.
The first statement I think will fall victim to the userbase who desires one thing (most of them push for orignal versions of BeOS Software vs the developers now that want to carry the OS into the current state of IT world).
The Second statement would seem true if the developers are tride and true to their aims. Of course its more likely , specially after the news about Daniel Robbins, that someone may find something else more attractive and drop their own project in favor of something else. Microsoft wont try to take you over, itll just make itself look more attractive than what your doing now, and offer you more money.
Will be apps.
/.'ed -- http://www.yellowtab.com/phorum/ .
There is a limited application set, the development of which is rather difficult in nature. If you read their forums, many of the users that have supported Zeta during its slow development binter and banter back and forth about what they want, and what they are getting.
Linux users get the same way, perhaps not as vehemont as Zeta followers do, but they do.
The problem is going to be finding developers that are willing to develop in that envoirnment. I believe that C++ is the only language for which you can use to develop in Zeta. The lack of language variety is going to make getting developers difficult, and a rather centric group of developers will build the OS, giving it a rathe r lop-sided or narrow build.
At the current time however, their forums are being
It looks nice, it may work beautifully, but the limited application set sort of deters me from wanting to use it.
Absolutist Statements like that are really going to get people to respect you. Not that I respect you, but that probably doesnt matter to a blowhard as yourself. Im just some geek that little if anyone cares about.
I seem to remember that Gates has done that more than once -- (making broad statements of what he believed to be fact, that were yet again proven wrong IN EXCESS).
and I quoth --
"People everywhere love Windows."
"There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed."
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
So, I clearly object to your statements of the absolute. Do you know for certain yourself that this is the case, have you researched it , tride and true? I doubt that quite seriously.
So until your ready to provide ACTUAL proof for your statments of absolute fact that indeed no OS compares to Windows XP ever in the manner of device driver recognition, id be keepin my opinions to myself.
Touche - Fauxpas.
But.....UBUNTU!!!!!!!!!!!
I can come out of my mom's basement (Been living there since I got out of college in '89) , be totally socially inept, and yet.....find one hecuva attractive woman to have whatever gratuitous forms of physical pleasure I want.
Heidi Klum is on the market , right?
=)
Please dont be an idiot.
Ill credit you on a third of that statement, but not even that really, because all of those games in one form or another succeeded on a PC long before they ever did on a console.
Final Fantasy is about the only saving grace of consoles for RPGs. Those are clearly unique, as there were only a few of those, 7 and up, that were released on PC. (Unless of course you count emulation, in which case then you could play all of them).
Im looking for something Unique to Consoles that will make me want to buy one.
Farkian Asinine comments like that are irritating.
I aggree wholeheartedly with that statement. No console ive seen or heard of has reproduced an EQ or GuildWars, Diablo 2, Dragonshard, NWN, or other such related game. I doubt seriously that it will happen.
Not Likely.
At least hes not like Johnny Depp, I have to give FauxPas credit there. Positive motivating change in his mind rather than moving to France and feeling he's of a mind that America just about sucks right now.
Does this mean I get to wear a cool fedora and carry my distro CDs in a violin case? Hmmmm..dunno that id own up to wearing a fedora, might prefer my /. hat and shirt -- http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hats/2996/
http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/golfshirts/6620/
or does using a Free and Open standard like Linux in a closed and controlled envoirnment like Communism seem rather "paradoxical"?
I have to aggree. Knoppix and its derivations tend to be rife with installation problems. I honestly think Mepis is the only Knoppix Clone that comes close to Ubuntu, and many Ubuntu users that I know that dont use Kubuntu, use Mepis instead.
Alternately , Knoppix depends largely on debian's repositories. Id take Ubuntu over that in a heartbeat, Canaonical and Ubuntu support their own packages specifically compiled for Ubuntu itself. While the lag in packages could be annoying to some, it doesnt bother me a whole lot.
Certainly the most Attractive of the two. Nice rack in an attractive looking case, at least for the time.
Really there are a few you left out, as minor as they might be.
Linare, Xandros, and Linspire are the Debian reduxes that are fighting over the consumer.
Linare is a pretty sorrowful redux of Fedora, but Id almost buy one of their laptops just to install Uby on it.
Xandros is probably the most attractive looking , for a windows user , debian redux , but its pricing and its desire to get into the corporate market with its Pro Desktop and XDMS make it too finely spread. That coupled with its own repository which comes at a cost ( you can use the debian unsupported rep if you want, but unlike Ubuntu and even Debian istelf, Xandys repository doesnt have near what Ubuntu/Debian Repository has in it.)
Mandrivel (Mandrake/Mandriva) as well, Though most of its market has gone to South America because of its acquisition of Conectiva.
Ubuntu , is the new child yes, but its ability to draw away Debian users and developers to its fold, makes it somewhat attractive.
Dont let Jack Messman hear you say that. Novell has come up in the ranks, specially after their purchase of Suse. That coupled with interoperability of previous Novell Arch systems, and Novell's targeting of NT4 users, I suspect that Novell is catching up to Szulik and RH on the corporate level.
Experimental drugs mebbe one day Ill wake up finding that when I get real angry my skin turns green, muscle mass will increase 50 fold, and I become relatively invulnerable.
Is Joe and Vi that scary to you?
Or for that matter, Nano or Pico?
As far as access goes, FTP, SSH, whatever. There are numerous was to get data from point a to point b from the command line that are much faster to me , than using the GUI.
CLI Whimp.
Its like people that need an IDE to develop code.
You want to write code, open a vi session.
Doesnt make you wrong, just makes you dependent.
Goes back to nessecity. What do you as a person need? I can easily compare Xfce to Kde in my own right, and say yep, its faster and more stable. It DOES WHAT I NEED it to do. You may say otherwise , and again as previously stated by me, that is your right. Xfce doesnt do what you want it to do for you, thats fine. But you cannot discredit a DE based on its minimalist stature. KDE and Gnome applications run fine in Xfce for me, and properly configured, it too can be as complete and featurefull as KDE or Gnome can be. Goes back again to nessecity , what do you need to have to make your desktop viable? Are you afraid to configure things on your own? Do you want KDE to supply you with an out of the box solution, that requires you to configure things minimally , if for no other reason than look and feel? For Joe User this might be viable. But if your a seasoned linux user , and you still are too lazy to set things up properly, using the atrophical statement of "KDE does it all for me, why should I have to?" , then thats your loss. Laziness over Desire, in this case.
Nah...Trolls make unintelligilbe comments. By saying rather bloated Im merely suggesting it might be possible. Clearly there are numerous individuals that think that this is the case. Most of them , like me , are minimalist users, you have to admit that xfce , windowmaker, and blackbox run circles faster than KDE and even Gnome really. I have used KDE in the past, and I dont really have an issue with it, though by default I would never use it, because, I do feel its too slow, based on its performance against Windowmaker or Xfce, which I feel is clearly faster and less involved.
Of course though, when your talking about the Battle of the DE's, its always half a dozen of one and 6 on the other side. Its just a shared general opinion by some , most of them being Gnome Users, that KDE is bloated.
File manager - are you talking about Konquerer.....lol, perhaps. I consider opening up a term windows and using proper commands the concept of file management, maybe you dont because a GUI is so utterly nessecary for you to function in that your needs are met. I think Konqueror's biggest gripe is its almost IE-esque integration into KDE for file management, web-browsing, and setting management is unessecary. Just as the Control Center in KDE is overly reduntant to this fact.
Of course for me, you want to configure apache, samba, squid, X11, sane, cups, dhcp, or other such settings.....open an xterm window , find the conf file, and edit. Quit depending on your GUI envoirnment to do what your mind should be able to do for yourself, troll boy.
The number of included applications would simplify matters and reduce bloat. The Number of Dependencies nessecary to install KDE on a system is another form of this "bloat", along with the processes that need to run for KDE to run. Standard Ubuntu build and install of KDE takes 323megs of data. Now of course this is ALL OF KDE (or at least most of it as far as I can tell) In short, KDE needs to use a Keep it Simple principle to a greater degree. They need to simplify. In this giving Joe User too many options, too many programs and providing too much. Ergo KDE is bloated quite a bit. Ive dealth with more than a few Joe User's who get confused with KDE. Yes its windows like, but in the words of a common user "Its Too Busy looking". Too much going on , too much there.
Perhaps Im a minimalist, however, I have no problem running Gnome (Even though there are those who assume Gnome itself is bloated , and thats their right to think so) on my 500mhz 128meg system, and of course XFCE runs lightining fast on that box, ergo XFCE is my default. What I think the developers of KDE should do is run there development on New and Older hardware at the same time. Thus creating -- hopefully -- a window manager that is both stable and featureful, but also is stable and works well in a small footprint.
KDE is rather bloated.
Sounds more like End user idiocy on your part, nor your willingness to learn something other than what your used to or is outside of your comfort-zone. Clearly the existence of the first , and the lack of such willingness to learn on your part , personify you as the very type of person to which I speak.
Sit down and learn something, you are human after all, is not learning a constant process that never stops?
In your case, I presume it does stop.